She may not be the worst out there, but she's a cold killer that didn't think before taking someone's life, fuck her and she deserved to be left on the road.
Maybe, but Kenny's return has proven that it really doesn't matter one way or the other whether your story arc is "finished". TellTale can just bring you back on a whim. Ditto the unrealistic nature of his return.
Personally, I'd say she deserved a return a lot more than Kenny did. His arc had reached a conclusion because TellTale kept him around and made his story a big focus. Lilly's arc was cut short because TellTale thought she was going to become her comic counterpart, but then Kirkman messed that up. Not really a fair shake for Lilly's character.
Am I the only one who doesn't want her to return? I feel that her story arc is finished and just because you don't know someone died doesn't mean they'll definitely come back. I just think its a bit too unrealistic to have her come back.
She may not be the worst out there, but she's a cold killer that didn't think before taking someone's life, fuck her and she deserved to be left on the road.
She may not be the worst out there, but she's a cold killer that didn't think before taking someone's life, fuck her and she deserved to be left on the road.
People always forget that Lee killed someone in cold blood as well. It's easy to forget because we don't see it and we didn't know the person like we did with Lilly and Carley, but... the situations are actually quite similar.
Personally it just doesn't make sense for me to not sympathize with Lilly, given Lee's own past. And when he talk to her about what you did, she says, "You killed a guy--so what? I bet he was a dick." She gave you a chance at forgiveness that her father wouldn't.
Lilly was a good person caught up in the middle of a breakdown and she did very something awful, but that doesn't make her evil.
People forget that Kenny was no hero either, he got mad because i dont just kill people, i try to save them and Larry was alive a second bef… moreore kenny murdered him, when at the st johns, we had a plan to jump danny and when kenny saw me about to get shot he just watched and Lilly saved me, Kenny was also willing to let a girl suffer for his gain, well i guess he groups gain but even after a shot her and we had to leave faster, he agreed we still got lots of stuff
It's fun to speculate on her emotions too. While it can't be true for the stories where Lee killed her father, in my playthrough, I like to pretend Lilly's hatred for Carley is motivated by some primal stuff. My Lee was nice to them both and he's more or less the last man on Earth. This jealousy, combined with the trauma, and how brittle Lilly's ego did was a teapot of disaster waiting to be poured.
After she murdered Carly, a woman who never hurt no one, I gladly left her on the side of the road.
I kept thinking, "If she did that to Carly, how long would it be before she tried to kill me?"
Kenny said everything I would've said, if that had been a dialogue option for Lee.
I was highly outraged by what she did, though I was not yelling and screaming about it.
After all, it is just a videogame, and not real life, thank God.
Nevertheless, I still found her character's actions highly repugnant!
If she were to turn up this season, I'd be civil, yet highly cautious.
I wouldn't trust her, and just let her back into the group.
She would have to work really hard to win my trust back.
Which is reasonable, given her action in season 1.
I'd be really curious to see how Kenny would react if the group ran into her.
Even though I have a pretty good idea how he'd react.
After she murdered Carly, a woman who never hurt no one, I gladly left her on the side of the road.
I kept thinking, "If she did that to Ca… morerly, how long would it be before she tried to kill me?"
Kenny said everything I would've said, if that had been a dialogue option for Lee.
I was highly outraged by what she did, though I was not yelling and screaming about it.
After all, it is just a videogame, and not real life, thank God.
Nevertheless, I still found her character's actions highly repugnant!
If she were to turn up this season, I'd be civil, yet highly cautious.
I wouldn't trust her, and just let her back into the group.
She would have to work really hard to win my trust back.
Which is reasonable, given her action in season 1.
I'd be really curious to see how Kenny would react if the group ran into her.
Even though I have a pretty good idea how he'd react.
Lilly might have shot Carley/Doug and that is something not to forgive.Why should I be happy for her coming back?Give me at least one reason.Because I give my answers based on something,I will give you the main reasons why I don't want her back:
She might be a danger to the group.
Kenny and her will start fighting again attracting zombies probably causing someones death.The main reason of their fight might be his new girlfriend and how he didn't love Katja.
She may steal supplies and just leave us again just like she did in the RV back in Season 1.
That are the main reasons of why I.Will.Never.Trust.Lilly.Again!If she comes back the texts in my opinion should be:
[...]
Didn't you die?
Please stay and have something to eat.
Please leave,we don't want another one to be dead.
People always forget that Lee killed someone in cold blood as well. It's easy to forget because we don't see it and we didn't know the perso… moren like we did with Lilly and Carley, but... the situations are actually quite similar.
Personally it just doesn't make sense for me to not sympathize with Lilly, given Lee's own past. And when he talk to her about what you did, she says, "You killed a guy--so what? I bet he was a dick." She gave you a chance at forgiveness that her father wouldn't.
Lilly was a good person caught up in the middle of a breakdown and she did very something awful, but that doesn't make her evil.
Techinically, we don't know if Lee killed the senator in cold-blood or not, it could've been an accident but I agree.
Everyone seems to forget that Kenny killed someone, and so did most of the people in that group. Forgive and forget.
People always forget that Lee killed someone in cold blood as well. It's easy to forget because we don't see it and we didn't know the perso… moren like we did with Lilly and Carley, but... the situations are actually quite similar.
Personally it just doesn't make sense for me to not sympathize with Lilly, given Lee's own past. And when he talk to her about what you did, she says, "You killed a guy--so what? I bet he was a dick." She gave you a chance at forgiveness that her father wouldn't.
Lilly was a good person caught up in the middle of a breakdown and she did very something awful, but that doesn't make her evil.
Optional dialogue with the Stranger implies it was cold-blooded murder, but yeah, it's never explicitly stated. At the very least, it's pretty clear it wasn't an accident.
Techinically, we don't know if Lee killed the senator in cold-blood or not, it could've been an accident but I agree.
Everyone seems to forget that Kenny killed someone, and so did most of the people in that group. Forgive and forget.
Do we have to be mad at Lilly? Certainly not. It's been two years since she killed Carley/Doug in game. Hell, it's been almost as long IRL. I, personally, am keeping an open mind if she actually returns and I'll judge for myself whether she's earned forgiveness if we ever see her again. Hating her isn't required in the slightest.
However, are we allowed to be mad at Lilly? Yes. Very much so, in fact. Even though I am willing to forgive her provided that she earns it, she still killed a fellow group member in cold blood based on nothing more than assumptions and anger. People who hate Lilly for that have every right to do so. It was a horrible thing with no excuse, and it should never have happened.
By the way, just to be pendantic, "in cold blood" means that you kill someone with pre-meditation or without emotion. To say someone is a "cold-blooded killer" is to say they kill without much emotion. The legal system and morality tends to look upon this kind of murder as much worse than someone who kills someone because of anger or the heat of the moment.
I.e. the Saint Jonas Brothers are cold blooded killers, Lilly is just a killer.
This is fucking dumb, such a double standard here, when its Kenny killing a character to "protect the group" its all right, but when Lilly kills a character to "protect the group" all hell is raised
I don't think it's a double standard. Lilly didn't kill Carley/Doug to "protect the group" because it was clearly a heat-of-the-moment execution and 90% because Carley was taunting her. Kenny killed a man who was already possibly dead. I would love to see Lilly return and "forgive" her but I understand this was a different situation.
This is fucking dumb, such a double standard here, when its Kenny killing a character to "protect the group" its all right, but when Lilly kills a character to "protect the group" all hell is raised
Kenny kills Larry who was very well still alive, and if you try to Save Larry, which is a more than reasonable choice to make, when you and Kenny are going to get the jump Danny, Kenny will not help Lee when he is about to get shot and the only reason I lived is because Lilly jumped out with a sickle and attacked him, she called bullshit when Kenny said he thinks the St. Johns are up to something, but after I saw Danny smile when he was looking in the tent and about to shoot, and how he enjoyed shooting Jolene, i told Lilly I thought something was up and she believed me showing trust, and she told me to be careful which showed concern for my well being, Yes, her drawing on Ben/Carley was out of line but did she do anything different than Kenny? she even had the same reasons behind why she killed a group member
Lilly might have shot Carley/Doug and that is something not to forgive.Why should I be happy for her coming back?Give me at least one reason… more.Because I give my answers based on something,I will give you the main reasons why I don't want her back:
* She might be a danger to the group.
* Kenny and her will start fighting again attracting zombies probably causing someones death.The main reason of their fight might be his new girlfriend and how he didn't love Katja.
* She may steal supplies and just leave us again just like she did in the RV back in Season 1.
That are the main reasons of why I.Will.Never.Trust.Lilly.Again!If she comes back the texts in my opinion should be:
* [...]
* Didn't you die?
* Please stay and have something to eat.
* Please leave,we don't want another one to be dead.
What I don't understand is Kenny killed Larry out of his fear that he would reanimate, and everybody seems ok about this and don't seem to express any resentment to Kenny but when Lilly kills Carley out of rage, and most likely fear of the safety of the group as she puts it, ("I was doing it to protect all of us") everyone hates her for it? Murder is wrong no matter what, even if it's a person you don't like and for "good" reasons. So if people hate Lilly for her crimes, then why so they not hate Kenny? He was always more selfish in my eyes anyway as he is the first one to suggest murder if it's someone else but refuses to admit anything about his own family when the tables turn (Duck when he is bitten) Now don't get me wrong, I like Kenny and was glad to see his return in Season 2 but Lilly will always be one of my favourite characters
Lilly stated that it was indeed to protect the group because we did have a traitor, sort of, but Lilly tried to shoot Ben, not because he taunted her, he never did, it was because she tried to protect the group, and Kenny was so quick to jump to killing Larry, yes Lilly was quick too but Kenny should have tried and if we couldn't get his heart starting THEN we kill the brain, but not if we haven't tried to save him
I don't think it's a double standard. Lilly didn't kill Carley/Doug to "protect the group" because it was clearly a heat-of-the-moment execu… moretion and 90% because Carley was taunting her. Kenny killed a man who was already possibly dead. I would love to see Lilly return and "forgive" her but I understand this was a different situation.
By the way, just to be pendantic, "in cold blood" means that you kill someone with pre-meditation or without emotion. To say someone is a "c… moreold-blooded killer" is to say they kill without much emotion. The legal system and morality tends to look upon this kind of murder as much worse than someone who kills someone because of anger or the heat of the moment.
I.e. the Saint Jonas Brothers are cold blooded killers, Lilly is just a killer.
To be fair to Kenny, David/Travis jumped up within seconds of expiring and nearly killed Kat before anyone knew what was going on. With such a short time between death and reanimation, it was best to do it quickly IMO. Larry was unconscious, he wasn't breathing, and he had no pulse. By the time Kenny actually dropped the salt lick on him, Lilly had been trying to revive Larry for a solid minute with no response. The group was locked in a tiny room with no weapons by a family of cannibals. If Larry actually did reanimate, someone else would have died for sure. Maybe all of them. What Kenny did certainly wasn't "nice," but it was completely justified.
Lilly stated that it was indeed to protect the group because we did have a traitor, sort of, but Lilly tried to shoot Ben, not because he ta… moreunted her, he never did, it was because she tried to protect the group, and Kenny was so quick to jump to killing Larry, yes Lilly was quick too but Kenny should have tried and if we couldn't get his heart starting THEN we kill the brain, but not if we haven't tried to save him
I 100% agree, there's a huge double standard, I personally however do not like Kenny, I hated him, then I liked him a bit but now I hate him again, he left me to die multiple times just cause he didn't like me
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I thought I made it clear I'm very upset
This sounds stupid but I think Lilly liked Lee seriously! I think that since that moment in Episode 3 OMG seriously!
Maybe, but Kenny's return has proven that it really doesn't matter one way or the other whether your story arc is "finished". TellTale can just bring you back on a whim. Ditto the unrealistic nature of his return.
Personally, I'd say she deserved a return a lot more than Kenny did. His arc had reached a conclusion because TellTale kept him around and made his story a big focus. Lilly's arc was cut short because TellTale thought she was going to become her comic counterpart, but then Kirkman messed that up. Not really a fair shake for Lilly's character.
I think there's nothing remotely "cold" about what Lilly did. It was passionate, angry, and emotionally devastating.
If she came back, she would probably have a Group herself
she better than nick imo
I agree
What Charles_Phipps said
I think there's nothing remotely "cold" about what Lilly did. It was passionate, angry, and emotionally devastating.
So? It never justifies killing a person! And I would never risk it even if I would've forgave her.
You just copy-pasted it? xD
kinda... Lets just go to another thread
People always forget that Lee killed someone in cold blood as well. It's easy to forget because we don't see it and we didn't know the person like we did with Lilly and Carley, but... the situations are actually quite similar.
Personally it just doesn't make sense for me to not sympathize with Lilly, given Lee's own past. And when he talk to her about what you did, she says, "You killed a guy--so what? I bet he was a dick." She gave you a chance at forgiveness that her father wouldn't.
Lilly was a good person caught up in the middle of a breakdown and she did very something awful, but that doesn't make her evil.
Yep, he thinks I'm a troll when I am a legitimate user.
THANK YOU!
I actually agree with most of the points you made. Kenny ass kissers and and Lilly haters downvote away, but just know but I like them both equally.
At least the dislikes like me.
It's fun to speculate on her emotions too. While it can't be true for the stories where Lee killed her father, in my playthrough, I like to pretend Lilly's hatred for Carley is motivated by some primal stuff. My Lee was nice to them both and he's more or less the last man on Earth. This jealousy, combined with the trauma, and how brittle Lilly's ego did was a teapot of disaster waiting to be poured.
Short answer, Yes.
Long answer, She caused the death of one of my favorite characters.
After she murdered Carly, a woman who never hurt no one, I gladly left her on the side of the road.
I kept thinking, "If she did that to Carly, how long would it be before she tried to kill me?"
Kenny said everything I would've said, if that had been a dialogue option for Lee.
I was highly outraged by what she did, though I was not yelling and screaming about it.
After all, it is just a videogame, and not real life, thank God.
Nevertheless, I still found her character's actions highly repugnant!
If she were to turn up this season, I'd be civil, yet highly cautious.
I wouldn't trust her, and just let her back into the group.
She would have to work really hard to win my trust back.
Which is reasonable, given her action in season 1.
I'd be really curious to see how Kenny would react if the group ran into her.
Even though I have a pretty good idea how he'd react.
We see what happens I think she is in chock since that moment I mean seriously if she met Clem right know
I know Glenn
Nah man he just gotta brush that off he will be goo in a week
Lilly might have shot Carley/Doug and that is something not to forgive.Why should I be happy for her coming back?Give me at least one reason.Because I give my answers based on something,I will give you the main reasons why I don't want her back:
That are the main reasons of why I.Will.Never.Trust.Lilly.Again!If she comes back the texts in my opinion should be:
I sympathized with her but doesn't mean I didn't hate her regardless you can sympathize with somebody yet still hate them regardless
Techinically, we don't know if Lee killed the senator in cold-blood or not, it could've been an accident but I agree.
Everyone seems to forget that Kenny killed someone, and so did most of the people in that group. Forgive and forget.
Optional dialogue with the Stranger implies it was cold-blooded murder, but yeah, it's never explicitly stated. At the very least, it's pretty clear it wasn't an accident.
Do we have to be mad at Lilly? Certainly not. It's been two years since she killed Carley/Doug in game. Hell, it's been almost as long IRL. I, personally, am keeping an open mind if she actually returns and I'll judge for myself whether she's earned forgiveness if we ever see her again. Hating her isn't required in the slightest.
However, are we allowed to be mad at Lilly? Yes. Very much so, in fact. Even though I am willing to forgive her provided that she earns it, she still killed a fellow group member in cold blood based on nothing more than assumptions and anger. People who hate Lilly for that have every right to do so. It was a horrible thing with no excuse, and it should never have happened.
By the way, just to be pendantic, "in cold blood" means that you kill someone with pre-meditation or without emotion. To say someone is a "cold-blooded killer" is to say they kill without much emotion. The legal system and morality tends to look upon this kind of murder as much worse than someone who kills someone because of anger or the heat of the moment.
I.e. the Saint Jonas Brothers are cold blooded killers, Lilly is just a killer.
This is fucking dumb, such a double standard here, when its Kenny killing a character to "protect the group" its all right, but when Lilly kills a character to "protect the group" all hell is raised
I don't think it's a double standard. Lilly didn't kill Carley/Doug to "protect the group" because it was clearly a heat-of-the-moment execution and 90% because Carley was taunting her. Kenny killed a man who was already possibly dead. I would love to see Lilly return and "forgive" her but I understand this was a different situation.
How would you know that? We haven't seen her since you either left her, or let her take off in the RV.
EDIT: Just read your comment again, nevermind.
Nah, I'm not mad at her anymore, but if we run into her again she'll have to work hard for my trust.
Kenny kills Larry who was very well still alive, and if you try to Save Larry, which is a more than reasonable choice to make, when you and Kenny are going to get the jump Danny, Kenny will not help Lee when he is about to get shot and the only reason I lived is because Lilly jumped out with a sickle and attacked him, she called bullshit when Kenny said he thinks the St. Johns are up to something, but after I saw Danny smile when he was looking in the tent and about to shoot, and how he enjoyed shooting Jolene, i told Lilly I thought something was up and she believed me showing trust, and she told me to be careful which showed concern for my well being, Yes, her drawing on Ben/Carley was out of line but did she do anything different than Kenny? she even had the same reasons behind why she killed a group member
What I don't understand is Kenny killed Larry out of his fear that he would reanimate, and everybody seems ok about this and don't seem to express any resentment to Kenny but when Lilly kills Carley out of rage, and most likely fear of the safety of the group as she puts it, ("I was doing it to protect all of us") everyone hates her for it? Murder is wrong no matter what, even if it's a person you don't like and for "good" reasons. So if people hate Lilly for her crimes, then why so they not hate Kenny? He was always more selfish in my eyes anyway as he is the first one to suggest murder if it's someone else but refuses to admit anything about his own family when the tables turn (Duck when he is bitten) Now don't get me wrong, I like Kenny and was glad to see his return in Season 2 but Lilly will always be one of my favourite characters
Lilly stated that it was indeed to protect the group because we did have a traitor, sort of, but Lilly tried to shoot Ben, not because he taunted her, he never did, it was because she tried to protect the group, and Kenny was so quick to jump to killing Larry, yes Lilly was quick too but Kenny should have tried and if we couldn't get his heart starting THEN we kill the brain, but not if we haven't tried to save him
Lilly committed Second Degree murder with Doug/Carley and the St. Johns committed First Degree murder with Mark
To be fair to Kenny, David/Travis jumped up within seconds of expiring and nearly killed Kat before anyone knew what was going on. With such a short time between death and reanimation, it was best to do it quickly IMO. Larry was unconscious, he wasn't breathing, and he had no pulse. By the time Kenny actually dropped the salt lick on him, Lilly had been trying to revive Larry for a solid minute with no response. The group was locked in a tiny room with no weapons by a family of cannibals. If Larry actually did reanimate, someone else would have died for sure. Maybe all of them. What Kenny did certainly wasn't "nice," but it was completely justified.
I 100% agree, there's a huge double standard, I personally however do not like Kenny, I hated him, then I liked him a bit but now I hate him again, he left me to die multiple times just cause he didn't like me