To be fair to Kenny, David/Travis jumped up within seconds of expiring and nearly killed Kat before anyone knew what was going on. With suc… moreh a short time between death and reanimation, it was best to do it quickly IMO. Larry was unconscious, he wasn't breathing, and he had no pulse. By the time Kenny actually dropped the salt lick on him, Lilly had been trying to revive Larry for a solid minute with no response. The group was locked in a tiny room with no weapons by a family of cannibals. If Larry actually did reanimate, someone else would have died for sure. Maybe all of them. What Kenny did certainly wasn't "nice," but it was completely justified.
Was he waking up, or was that simply excess air pushed out of his lungs by Lee as he died? That seems possible, though I'll admit that I'm no medical expert. And even if he was alive, as I said, Lilly had been attempting to revive him for quite a while with no success. There was no guarantee that just a few more seconds would have made any difference by the time Lee needed to choose.
if you clicked it fast you see Larry start to breathe and with the push after that you see Larry lift his head up, open his eyes and open his mouth about half a second before being salt licked
Was he waking up, or was that simply excess air pushed out of his lungs by Lee as he died? That seems possible, though I'll admit that I'm n… moreo medical expert. And even if he was alive, as I said, Lilly had been attempting to revive him for quite a while with no success. There was no guarantee that just a few more seconds would have made any difference by the time Lee needed to choose.
Kenny's fault. What did you think was going to happen when he smashed Larry's head in with that salt lick. She was covered in his blood pretty much completely. She got PTSD, went crazy and shot Doug/Carley. PTSD is hard to live with, there is no cure or medication that you can take that helps. She wasn't sleeping/eating, everyone in the group was avoiding her, which made her more isolated. Truly a sad case. I didn't leave her behind because i felt bad for her, i know it wasn't a premeditated thing where she wanted to shoot Carley/Doug in the face, she got mad and lost it.
Its part of being human, making mistakes and moving on. I don't hold a grudge on Lilly. I'm sure she feels horrible for what she did.
She didn't have bad intentions but she is (or ends up being) a bad person IMO. Murder based on no evidence is never the actions of a good pe… morerson regardless of what they've been through.
Its a sympathetic tale with what happens to her father, but she is dangerous by the time of episode 3 (and proves so by threatening you and stealing the RV if you take her with you)
Carver: She will have to prove herself through what will undoubtedly be hard work, we don't have to forget what she did, but we do have to find the strength in our hearts to forgive her
if you clicked it fast you see Larry start to breathe and with the push after that you see Larry lift his head up, open his eyes and open his mouth about half a second before being salt licked
She didn't have bad intentions but she is (or ends up being) a bad person IMO. Murder based on no evidence is never the actions of a good pe… morerson regardless of what they've been through.
Its a sympathetic tale with what happens to her father, but she is dangerous by the time of episode 3 (and proves so by threatening you and stealing the RV if you take her with you)
No. I've done both options, and the only thing you get from him if you try to save him is a mouth twitch. Which could be, as I said, the remaining air in his lungs being pushed out by Lee.
if you clicked it fast you see Larry start to breathe and with the push after that you see Larry lift his head up, open his eyes and open his mouth about half a second before being salt licked
I know that my Clem wouldn't be mad in the slightest at Lilly. But then again, my Clementine is currently a bit of a psychotic case right now in that she has made a concentrated effort towards throwing away the old parts of herself that made her weak and has become somewhat of a tough survivor. She would no doubt look back upon Lilly and think "She was right. Ben was weak, and he did betray us." Even if Lilly made a huge mistake and showed her own weakness, Clementine now would understand. If Lilly is alive, then I would expect her to have become similarly hardened, and she is probably in charge of some form of settlement, running things not so different from the way Carver did. Which brings me to a point: My Clementine legitimately saw the reason in Carver's methods, and resisted going against him until there was no other option and he had lost control. She harbors no love at all for the Cabin survivors, and is with them only out of necessity, and while there lingers some familiarity with Kenny, by no means is she beholden to him. My Clementine is becoming the anti-thesis of everything my Lee Everett represented, because she has seen that weakness bears no strength in this world, all that matters is survival. And while I'd like to believe that my Clementine's morality is going towards someone like Molly... I have the strangest feeling that she is ending up more and more like Jane.
Except Telltale had planned from the beginning to bring Kenny back. Remember? They deleted all of his death audio and announced way before the first episode came out that his fate would be explored.
Personally I feel Kenny should be it for returning Season 1 characters, if too many characters come back the game will start to feel incredibly contrived and fanservicey and Kenny was brought back because he was the main link to season 1 besides Lee. Lilly wouldn't be able to serve the game in the same manner unfortunately. Also, Kenny would never allow her to return to their group if he was around, he wouldn't be so happy about hanging around someone who randomly shoots people and while Kenny did kill Larry, at least he had a good reason to do it.
Maybe, but Kenny's return has proven that it really doesn't matter one way or the other whether your story arc is "finished". TellTale can j… moreust bring you back on a whim. Ditto the unrealistic nature of his return.
Personally, I'd say she deserved a return a lot more than Kenny did. His arc had reached a conclusion because TellTale kept him around and made his story a big focus. Lilly's arc was cut short because TellTale thought she was going to become her comic counterpart, but then Kirkman messed that up. Not really a fair shake for Lilly's character.
You have every right to think that Lilly was just trying to protect the group.First of all,Lilly lost her father in a weird situation (while we were locked up) and in my opinion she knew that in a while he was gonna die because he had constant heart problems which couldn't be dealth without the visit to a doctor.Duck got bitten during the raid which is so sad and while they were going to kill him,Katja suicided!Oh and the reason why Kenny dropped the saltlick on Larry's head was probably because of vengeance.They had fights with Lilly,he constantly insulted Kenny!And yeah I wouldn't want to live in a cage next to 2 feet zombie-Larry!That coulld even cause Clementine's death.Lets all just chill because every character in this game has his drawbacks...Everything that happened doesn't give you the choice to have the username "Kennysucks"!
Kenny kills Larry who was very well still alive, and if you try to Save Larry, which is a more than reasonable choice to make, when you and … moreKenny are going to get the jump Danny, Kenny will not help Lee when he is about to get shot and the only reason I lived is because Lilly jumped out with a sickle and attacked him, she called bullshit when Kenny said he thinks the St. Johns are up to something, but after I saw Danny smile when he was looking in the tent and about to shoot, and how he enjoyed shooting Jolene, i told Lilly I thought something was up and she believed me showing trust, and she told me to be careful which showed concern for my well being, Yes, her drawing on Ben/Carley was out of line but did she do anything different than Kenny? she even had the same reasons behind why she killed a group member
Yes, I must admit even though Kenny has a more "important" role later on in the game and how he affects Season 2 as well, I always side with Lilly in the arguments, help her give CPR to Larry and take her with me on the RV because no one deserves to watch their only family member die in front of their eyes like that. Also, if you were on Lilly's side, then reveal your past to her and then go and tell Carley, I'm sure sometimes Carley will say "Lee is all she's got left" or something along those lines which makes me feel even more sorry for her. I still don't approve of her killing Carley but I don't hold a grudge and would like to see her return in Season 2
I 100% agree, there's a huge double standard, I personally however do not like Kenny, I hated him, then I liked him a bit but now I hate him again, he left me to die multiple times just cause he didn't like me
The fact that there was death audio at all kinda proves that his story was deemed done, but they apparently changed their minds due to reasons of pleasing the fanbase. I didn't mean that TellTale decided at the last possible second to bring him back, just that they can undo what seems like an obvious death scene whenever they want, which is what they did. Anyway, this also has nothing to do with my main point, that lack of death audio or not, his story was done. It didn't need a continuation.
Kenny was brought back for the fans and nothing more. There doesn't need to be a "main link" to season 1 to begin with, but if there had to be, then Omid and Christa sufficed just fine. Kenny hasn't brought anything to the table currently other than a familiar face, which, again, was not needed to begin with. Lilly would have served just fine in the exact same position, given how little Kenny's return has truly impacted anything in the plot (sure, he keeps getting pushed to the forefront, but his season 1 story has actually had no meaning this season outside of him mentioning Duck, and his escape from Savannah was completely glossed over, so his return doesn't actually mean much at all), and would actually have been more interesting given the nature of her departure from the group.
Except Telltale had planned from the beginning to bring Kenny back. Remember? They deleted all of his death audio and announced way before t… morehe first episode came out that his fate would be explored.
Personally I feel Kenny should be it for returning Season 1 characters, if too many characters come back the game will start to feel incredibly contrived and fanservicey and Kenny was brought back because he was the main link to season 1 besides Lee. Lilly wouldn't be able to serve the game in the same manner unfortunately. Also, Kenny would never allow her to return to their group if he was around, he wouldn't be so happy about hanging around someone who randomly shoots people and while Kenny did kill Larry, at least he had a good reason to do it.
Lilly might have shot Carley/Doug and that is something not to forgive.Why should I be happy for her coming back?Give me at least one reason… more.Because I give my answers based on something,I will give you the main reasons why I don't want her back:
* She might be a danger to the group.
* Kenny and her will start fighting again attracting zombies probably causing someones death.The main reason of their fight might be his new girlfriend and how he didn't love Katja.
* She may steal supplies and just leave us again just like she did in the RV back in Season 1.
That are the main reasons of why I.Will.Never.Trust.Lilly.Again!If she comes back the texts in my opinion should be:
* [...]
* Didn't you die?
* Please stay and have something to eat.
* Please leave,we don't want another one to be dead.
Yes we should well I am anyway. She killed someone in cold blood, someone that didn't do anything to her and when she's let back on the RV, she takes advantage of the group and steals the RV, leaving them all for dead. And she's supposed to care about the group? yeah right. She's a lying backstabbing murderous weasel who can eat shit and die for all I care but I hope she returns so I can kill her myself.
So I don’t really get why some people think Lilly is some inherently evil villain…
She did a terrible thing, but she did it within a week of suffering a horribly traumatic event, not to mention after days of Kenny harassing her and showing absolutely no sensitivity after what he did, justified or not. Her home for months had just been lost, and she was dead sure that someone in the group was a serious threat.
She was a good person who killed someone after months of stress, because she suffered a breakdown and she was caught up in the heat of the moment. Not because she’s simply a born devil who finds joy in the misery of others, who kicks newborn puppies for the lolz. To consider her as such is frankly unfair to Telltale, who put so much effort into developing Lilly and making her a complex character.
Case in point, the Lilly we met in episode 1, the Lilly who wanted to defend Duck and comforted Lee after he failed to save Doug/Carley, would have NEVER killed someone in cold blood.
Everything Lilly did throughout the game, whether the player agreed with her or not, was for the group’s best interest. Not wanting to take in Ben and David/Travis is a big example; few people agreed with it, but Lilly truly believed it was for the best of the group. Or not ever wanting to leave the motor inn; the reason she was reluctant to leave was because she didn’t want the group to go on a pointless suicide mission in search of a pipe dream. Hell, the whole reason she tried to kill Carley/Ben was because she believed they were a threat to everyone else.
Whether she was right or not to think this way, I think the one thing that’s clear is that she cared about the group. If she didn’t, why would she have saved them from the bandits at gunpoint? Why would she (potentially) have saved Lee’s life multiple times? Why would she show so much concern for Clem’s health when supplies went missing? What, was it all just an act or something?
The one notable act of selfishness was when she stole the RV. But let’s be honest, she had no other options. By then, the group she was trying so hard to protect no longer considered her part of them. She was a paranoid, nervous wreck who thought they would kill her if she stayed.
What she did was wrong, but I understand why she did it and I hope she gets the chance to redeem herself. At the very least, I hope she hasn’t been damaged to the point that she doesn’t even care about redemption.
I’ve accepted what she did a long time ago, and I’m kinda pissed that we never got the chance to really give her the support she needed back in season 1. We never got to talk to her or comfort her about the meat locker incident, we never got to really talk to her after she killed someone… Her character arc was just as interesting as Kenny’s, and it’s unfortunate that her story got cut short while Kenny got a satisfying conclusion to his story… and was then given ANOTHER (needless) story in season 2, arguably stealing the spotlight from other interesting characters.
So if Lilly ever does come back, I hope her character is handled with just as much respect as Kenny’s, because she deserved to return just as much as (if not more than) Kenny did. Now awaiting downvotes :P
Yeah, you can. Just say it. Carley was stupid anyway. Can't even put a battery in right. At least Doug was useful. TTG is horrible when it comes to romances. I wanted my Lee with Lily. Even on the file that i saved Carley in, all we get is a kiss on the cheek.
She was supposed to be Lily from the comic book. But Kirkman ruined that over a book that sucked ass. Kirkman should give the rights to someone else cause his comic book is so stupid.
Lily pretty much has no purpose for the story anymore.
Am I the only one who doesn't want her to return? I feel that her story arc is finished and just because you don't know someone died doesn't mean they'll definitely come back. I just think its a bit too unrealistic to have her come back.
Lee said he murdered the senator and "hurt" his wife pretty badly when he caught them on the act. It was in the heat of the moment. It was a crime of passion.
Lilly murdered Doug / Carley after losing her only family,and still being forced to lead a group of people who seem to despise or not value her leadership at all, through a super stressful life-or-death situation such as a ZA. Not to mention that they'd just narrowly escaped from being wiped out by the bandits because of someone within the group who'd fucked up. I'd say she was under great stress at the moment of the murder, and not thinking clearly. She's not all that different from Lee. There's nothing cold about her demeanor when she shot D/C. Just a quick glance at her face a second afterwards and you can tell she's frozen in place thinking "what the fuck did I just do?"
I don't get why people are able to forgive Lee and not her?
Lilly did some pretty valuable things for the group. She was the one who kept them all on a firearm training regimen, she took the burden of managing supplies, she took the first shot that saved them from being executed at the motel.
Merak, we got into discussion before and you gave up but if you want to get into it again, why not
So I don’t really get why some people think Lilly is some inherently evil villain…
Because she killed a lovable character in cold blood out of nothing and robbed her group leaving them stranded and showed no remorse. If that is not enough for her to be a villain, then I don't know what will.
She did a terrible thing, but she did it within a week of suffering a horribly traumatic event, not to mention after days of Kenny harassing her and showing absolutely no sensitivity after what he did, justified or not. Her home for months had just been lost, and she was dead sure that someone in the group was a serious threat.
Welcome to The Walking Dead where a survivor will suffer a traumatic event no guaranteed. Sure there was a threat in the group but using it to pick on a survivor you don't like and then shooting her with no evidence isn't the right way to about it.
She was a good person who killed someone after months of stress, because she suffered a breakdown and she was caught up in the heat of the moment. Not because she’s simply a born devil who finds joy in the misery of others, who kicks newborn puppies for the lolz. To consider her as such is frankly unfair to Telltale, who put so much effort into developing Lilly and making her a complex character.
Good people don't kill an innocent for no reason whether you think she had one or not and don't rob their group that consists of two kids after you commit a sinister act and they're kind enough to bring you along. Whether you think she's evil or not, she does have a cold heart to even do those things.
Case in point, the Lilly we met in episode 1, the Lilly who wanted to defend Duck and comforted Lee after he failed to save Doug/Carley, would have NEVER killed someone in cold blood.
She never defended Duck, she just stood behind her douchebag dad and did nothing. And we just met her, we didn't know her enough to believe whether she'll do something sinister or not. I'm sure The Governor in the novel would have never commit the acts he does in the comics but you know that is The Walking Dead, it test people's humanity.
Everything Lilly did throughout the game, whether the player agreed with her or not, was for the group’s best interest. Not wanting to take in Ben and David/Travis is a big example; few people agreed with it, but Lilly truly believed it was for the best of the group. Or not ever wanting to leave the motor inn; the reason she was reluctant to leave was because she didn’t want the group to go on a pointless suicide mission in search of a pipe dream. Hell, the whole reason she tried to kill Carley/Ben was because she believed they were a threat to everyone else.
Not leaving the Motor Inn was for her dad's best interest, not the groups. And staying at the Motor Inn was suicide considering the bandit threat lurking in the nearby woods and could potentially attack at any moment, they did it her way and look what happened, they lost the supplies. She tried killing Carley because she didn't like her, she tried killing Ben because she's gun crazy but in the end, she had no evidence and all she had was a hunch!
Whether she was right or not to think this way, I think the one thing that’s clear is that she cared about the group. If she didn’t, why would she have saved them from the bandits at gunpoint? Why would she (potentially) have saved Lee’s life multiple times? Why would she show so much concern for Clem’s health when supplies went missing? What, was it all just an act or something?
Because she had no choice but to kill the bandits because they invaded the motel and they would eventually find her. She saved his life once and that's determinant. She didn't show concern for Clem, she brought Clem up to push Lee into doing an investigation because she's too lazy to do it herself. Besides, all this care for the group was thrown out the window when she robbed the RV and left them to die so yeah, I believe it was an act considering she didn't seem to care that she was leaving them vulnerable out on the road when they could've done the same earlier when she gunned down a member of her own group.
The one notable act of selfishness was when she stole the RV. But let’s be honest, she had no other options. By then, the group she was trying so hard to protect no longer considered her part of them. She was a paranoid, nervous wreck who thought they would kill her if she stayed.
No other options? What was wrong with her legs? Why couldn't she run on foot? Like I said before, this is the group that wouldn't kill the cannibals, what makes you think they would kill her? if they wanted to kill her, they would've done it on the spot. Whose fault was it that the group no longer considered her part of them? what did she think was gonna happen, they rub her shoulder and tell it's gonna be OK after she killed one of their own?
What she did was wrong, but I understand why she did it and I hope she gets the chance to redeem herself. At the very least, I hope she hasn’t been damaged to the point that she doesn’t even care about redemption.
If a cop shot a suspect because he thought the suspect is guilty, what do you think the judge will say? "Oh you only trying to protect & serve" or will his ass get thrown in jail where he belongs? Do you think society will understand that? Lilly had a second chance even though she didn't deserve it when the group let her back on the RV and what did she choose to do? You know the answer. Redemption is out of the question for her because she believed she did nothing wrong in the first place and had no reason to do other than a word of mouth.
I’ve accepted what she did a long time ago, and I’m kinda pissed that we never got the chance to really give her the support she needed back in season 1. We never got to talk to her or comfort her about the meat locker incident, we never got to really talk to her after she killed someone… Her character arc was just as interesting as Kenny’s, and it’s unfortunate that her story got cut short while Kenny got a satisfying conclusion to his story… and was then given ANOTHER (needless) story in season 2, arguably stealing the spotlight from other interesting characters.
It's been a week, I'm sure she got the support she needed, regardless that would not have stopped her from doing the things she does and you do talk to her after she murdered in cold blood and she complains about being tied up instead of feeling any remorse for the life she took. It was different with Kenny because you can actually count on him not to go batshit crazy and you can count on him even when you're a dick to him. And what would Lilly add if Kenny's story is needless? Adding her to the new group will create more hostility because she's a train-wreck that will rile people with her bitchy attitude.
So if Lilly ever does come back, I hope her character is handled with just as much respect as Kenny’s, because she deserved to return just as much as (if not more than) Kenny did. Now awaiting downvotes :P
Personally I'd like to see her as a villain because that is what she is. She needs to return to give us gamers that despise her some closure to end her miserable existence. That's how you'll handle her character, making her into a noble hero as you suggest and other Lilly fans want will seem out of character for a cold hearted bitch that murdered in cold blood and left people to die.
WARNING: Super long rant ahead.
So I don’t really get why some people think Lilly is some inherently evil villain…
She did a terrible … morething, but she did it within a week of suffering a horribly traumatic event, not to mention after days of Kenny harassing her and showing absolutely no sensitivity after what he did, justified or not. Her home for months had just been lost, and she was dead sure that someone in the group was a serious threat.
She was a good person who killed someone after months of stress, because she suffered a breakdown and she was caught up in the heat of the moment. Not because she’s simply a born devil who finds joy in the misery of others, who kicks newborn puppies for the lolz. To consider her as such is frankly unfair to Telltale, who put so much effort into developing Lilly and making her a complex character.
Case in point, the Lilly we met in episode 1, the Lilly who wanted to defend Duck and comforted Lee… [view original content]
Lee said he murdered the senator and "hurt" his wife pretty badly when he caught them on the act. It was in the heat of the moment. It was a… more crime of passion.
Lilly murdered Doug / Carley after losing her only family,and still being forced to lead a group of people who seem to despise or not value her leadership at all, through a super stressful life-or-death situation such as a ZA. Not to mention that they'd just narrowly escaped from being wiped out by the bandits because of someone within the group who'd fucked up. I'd say she was under great stress at the moment of the murder, and not thinking clearly. She's not all that different from Lee. There's nothing cold about her demeanor when she shot D/C. Just a quick glance at her face a second afterwards and you can tell she's frozen in place thinking "what the fuck did I just do?"
I don't get why people are able to forgive Lee and not her?
Lilly did some pretty valuable things for the … [view original content]
Lee said he murdered the senator and "hurt" his wife pretty badly when he caught them on the act. It was in the heat of the moment. It was a… more crime of passion.
Lilly murdered Doug / Carley after losing her only family,and still being forced to lead a group of people who seem to despise or not value her leadership at all, through a super stressful life-or-death situation such as a ZA. Not to mention that they'd just narrowly escaped from being wiped out by the bandits because of someone within the group who'd fucked up. I'd say she was under great stress at the moment of the murder, and not thinking clearly. She's not all that different from Lee. There's nothing cold about her demeanor when she shot D/C. Just a quick glance at her face a second afterwards and you can tell she's frozen in place thinking "what the fuck did I just do?"
I don't get why people are able to forgive Lee and not her?
Lilly did some pretty valuable things for the … [view original content]
We discussed this before? Ha, sorry for bringing this up again then, I go on this forum so infrequently I guess I forgot :P
Because she killed a lovable character in cold blood out of nothing and robbed her group leaving them stranded and showed no remorse. If that is not enough for her to be a villain, then I don't know what will.
Except it wasn’t out of nothing; as I said there were reasons for her actions, namely the fact that she was losing her mind by that point. And it seemed like she regretted stealing the RV to me. “I’m sorry Lee. I really am…” Of course, she lies to Lee if he agrees to go with her, but I’m convinced she left him anyways because she was so paranoid by that point that she couldn’t wrap her head around the idea that Lee would actually agree to leave with her. You can see by her reaction if he agrees that she doesn’t believe him at all. “Okay? Seriously?”
Welcome to The Walking Dead where a survivor will suffer a traumatic event no guaranteed. Sure there was a threat in the group but using it to pick on a survivor you don't like and then shooting her with no evidence isn't the right way to about it. Good people don't kill an innocent for no reason whether you think she had one or not and don't rob their group that consists of two kids after you commit a sinister act and they're kind enough to bring you along. Whether you think she's evil or not, she does have a cold heart to even do those things.
Um, yeah, people in the Walking Dead suffer. What are you getting at? The fact that other people suffered means Lilly’s suffering is irrelevant?
Good people can be driven to do horrible things if they suffer through enough crap. “Good people” wouldn’t goad their friends to drop kids from bell towers. “Good people” wouldn’t steal boats from helpful strangers. The fact that Lilly, Kenny, and Vernon all did horrible things doesn’t immediately make them evil people. You can’t just ignore the traumatic events they’ve experienced and decide that, ignoring the context, oh, that person did that for no other reason than the fact that they happen to be a horrible person.
She never defended Duck, she just stood behind her douchebag dad and did nothing. And we just met her, we didn't know her enough to believe whether she'll do something sinister or not. I'm sure The Governor in the novel would have never commit the acts he does in the comics but you know that is The Walking Dead, it test people's humanity.
It’s in the background, but she does attempt to defend Duck, at least until her dad tells her to shut up. “Dad, he’s just a boy!” She also tells Lee that she didn’t agree with Larry. I guess you could give her crap for not arguing for Duck harder, but Larry’s likely been bullying her to do things his way her entire life, and she knows provoking her father wouldn’t be a good idea considering his heart condition.
Because she had no choice but to kill the bandits because they invaded the motel and they would eventually find her. She saved his life once and that's determinant. She didn't show concern for Clem, she brought Clem up to push Lee into doing an investigation because she's too lazy to do it herself. Besides, all this care for the group was thrown out the window when she robbed the RV and left them to die so yeah, I believe it was an act considering she didn't seem to care that she was leaving them vulnerable out on the road when they could've done the same earlier when she gunned down a member of her own group.
Why would you think her concern for the group was an act? She was in no danger at the moment, and if she truly didn’t care, she would’ve snuck off into the night the second the bandits showed up. And Lilly actually brings up Clem after Lee agreed to help and the supplies are found, she had no reason to bring her up as a means to push Lee. The only plausible reason she brought Clem up was because she was genuinely concerned. Add that to the fact that she shows explicit concern for Clem in ep.1, and those little implied scenes of her interacting with Clem (giving hairbands, talking with her on the camera recording) I think her concern for Clem is genuine.
No other options? What was wrong with her legs? Why couldn't she run on foot? Like I said before, this is the group that wouldn't kill the cannibals, what makes you think they would kill her? if they wanted to kill her, they would've done it on the spot. Whose fault was it that the group no longer considered her part of them? what did she think was gonna happen, they rub her shoulder and tell it's gonna be OK after she killed one of their own?
I’d think the bigger problem would be that she’d have no supplies, and walking off into a deserted stretch of road on foot wouldn’t be a great idea. And as for the group wanting to kill her: “I’m tied up here while you guys decide what to do with me…” Lilly thought the group hadn’t decided what to do with her yet, and she was more than certain that they’d eventually choose to kill her or something.
If a cop shot a suspect because he thought the suspect is guilty, what do you think the judge will say? "Oh you only trying to protect & serve" or will his ass get thrown in jail where he belongs? Do you think society will understand that? Lilly had a second chance even though she didn't deserve it when the group let her back on the RV and what did she choose to do? You know the answer. Redemption is out of the question for her because she believed she did nothing wrong in the first place and had no reason to do other than a word of mouth.
As I’ve said, Lilly didn’t believe the group was giving her a second chance. To her, they brought her along to slowly decide how they were going to punish her. I mean, it’s understandable she’d think that way, especially since Lee threateningly says “Get in. We’ll figure out what to do with you.” if he decides to take her, not “Get in. You did a shitty thing, but we can’t just leave you out here…”
In Lilly’s view, she wasn’t given a chance at redemption. To her, she was given a few hours to live while the group planned to kill/punish her. Not saying they actually were going to kill her, but Lilly clearly thought so.
It's been a week, I'm sure she got the support she needed, regardless that would not have stopped her from doing the things she does and you do talk to her after she murdered in cold blood and she complains about being tied up instead of feeling any remorse for the life she took. It was different with Kenny because you can actually count on him not to go batshit crazy and you can count on him even when you're a dick to him. And what would Lilly add if Kenny's story is needless? Adding her to the new group will create more hostility because she's a train-wreck that will rile people with her bitchy attitude.
Actually, I really doubt she got any emotional support. Talking to the group makes it clear no one besides Kenny, Lee and Clem know what really happened to Larry. Kenny clearly wasn’t making things easier for her, and Lee’s attempts to console her are half-hearted at best. “You… haven’t really been sleeping” is about the extent of his concern. And I was really annoyed we didn’t get the option to pursue that topic, because I knew Lilly was suffering inside but didn’t want to show it.
And I’m glad you asked what Lilly could add. What would Clementine think of her after her crime? How would Lilly react to Clem depending on Lee’s relationship with her, whether he abandoned her or not? How would she react to the news of his death? How did she change after 2 years? And I remember one of the big themes Telltale said they would focus on in season 2 was the issue of trust. Whether or not to trust Kenny was not a difficult dilemma in any sense of the word. But it’d pretty damn hard to decide whether or not to trust Lilly. Would she show regret for her actions? Would you believe her remorse is genuine? Etc.
Personally I'd like to see her as a villain because that is what she is. She needs to return to give us gamers that despise her some closure to end her miserable existence. That's how you'll handle her character, making her into a noble hero as you suggest and other Lilly fans want will seem out of character for a cold hearted bitch that murdered in cold blood and left people to die.
Saying Lilly is a straight out villain isn’t fair. She isn’t inherently evil, she was a regular person who snapped in a horrible situation. And when did I suggest she was a noble hero? I think her killing Doug/Carley was an absolutely disgusting act and was the weakest thing she’d ever done. But I know not to judge her entire character on something she did in the heat of the moment, after suffering trauma and stress for months on end.
Btw, how do you make that cool box around stuff quoted from other people’s posts?
Merak, we got into discussion before and you gave up but if you want to get into it again, why not
So I don’t really get why some peo… moreple think Lilly is some inherently evil villain…
Because she killed a lovable character in cold blood out of nothing and robbed her group leaving them stranded and showed no remorse. If that is not enough for her to be a villain, then I don't know what will.
She did a terrible thing, but she did it within a week of suffering a horribly traumatic event, not to mention after days of Kenny harassing her and showing absolutely no sensitivity after what he did, justified or not. Her home for months had just been lost, and she was dead sure that someone in the group was a serious threat.
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I don't think it's just the killing itself, but Lilly's actions immediately following it that make so many people hate her. Not only does she kill a valuable member of the group who had saved them on multiple occasions (either Carley or Doug, that really describes both of them) but afterward she tells everyone Lee's secret even if Lee supported her and Larry 100%. After that, if you agree to keep her with you, she'll lie to Lee about taking him with her and steals the RV as soon as he steps off to go get Clem. None of those actions paint the best picture.
Lee said he murdered the senator and "hurt" his wife pretty badly when he caught them on the act. It was in the heat of the moment. It was a… more crime of passion.
Lilly murdered Doug / Carley after losing her only family,and still being forced to lead a group of people who seem to despise or not value her leadership at all, through a super stressful life-or-death situation such as a ZA. Not to mention that they'd just narrowly escaped from being wiped out by the bandits because of someone within the group who'd fucked up. I'd say she was under great stress at the moment of the murder, and not thinking clearly. She's not all that different from Lee. There's nothing cold about her demeanor when she shot D/C. Just a quick glance at her face a second afterwards and you can tell she's frozen in place thinking "what the fuck did I just do?"
I don't get why people are able to forgive Lee and not her?
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You know what? I don't get you guys why you mad at Lily...I mean...she may sound crazy but she wasn't stupid...
She knew what was going on, but everyone were bashing her because she shot this girl...
Ben is the one that needs to be mad at... he knew what he did but didn't speak up earlier...he was responsible for this girl's death..indirectly.
Actually, getting mad at Lilly is pretty understandable. I mean, she shot someone in the face... Pretty directly responsible if you ask me.
Of course, I'm still pretty mad at Ben. He basically endangered the entire group by not telling them bandits were going to kill them the minute they stopped getting drugs. His secrecy is partly why Lilly went so nutso paranoid, and if he just told them about the bandits, the group would've had the opportunity to safely sneak away from the motor inn in the RV without the bandits knowing.
And the worst part is that he did all this for an imaginary friend. He endangered a group of strangers who took him in, asked for nothing in return, protected him and gave him a share of their dwindling supplies, and in the case of Clem, actually befriended him. And he betrayed them for a friend who didn't even exist.
You know what? I don't get you guys why you mad at Lily...I mean...she may sound crazy but she wasn't stupid...
She knew what was going on,… more but everyone were bashing her because she shot this girl...
Ben is the one that needs to be mad at... he knew what he did but didn't speak up earlier...he was responsible for this girl's death..indirectly.
Lilly is Murder she cold blooded shot Carley in the head she was the best character beside Clem and Kenny. She also wanted to shot Ben but shot Doug. I would really be happy if we see her again in season 2. I mean you never saw her die so she could come back.
We discussed this before? Ha, sorry for bringing this up again then, I go on this forum so infrequently I guess I forgot :P
Because she k… moreilled a lovable character in cold blood out of nothing and robbed her group leaving them stranded and showed no remorse. If that is not enough for her to be a villain, then I don't know what will.
Except it wasn’t out of nothing; as I said there were reasons for her actions, namely the fact that she was losing her mind by that point. And it seemed like she regretted stealing the RV to me. “I’m sorry Lee. I really am…” Of course, she lies to Lee if he agrees to go with her, but I’m convinced she left him anyways because she was so paranoid by that point that she couldn’t wrap her head around the idea that Lee would actually agree to leave with her. You can see by her reaction if he agrees that she doesn’t believe him at all. “Okay? Seriously?”
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Larry just needed extra help, if you noticed, moments after Lee started helping Larry started to wake up
Was he waking up, or was that simply excess air pushed out of his lungs by Lee as he died? That seems possible, though I'll admit that I'm no medical expert. And even if he was alive, as I said, Lilly had been attempting to revive him for quite a while with no success. There was no guarantee that just a few more seconds would have made any difference by the time Lee needed to choose.
if you clicked it fast you see Larry start to breathe and with the push after that you see Larry lift his head up, open his eyes and open his mouth about half a second before being salt licked
Kenny's fault. What did you think was going to happen when he smashed Larry's head in with that salt lick. She was covered in his blood pretty much completely. She got PTSD, went crazy and shot Doug/Carley. PTSD is hard to live with, there is no cure or medication that you can take that helps. She wasn't sleeping/eating, everyone in the group was avoiding her, which made her more isolated. Truly a sad case. I didn't leave her behind because i felt bad for her, i know it wasn't a premeditated thing where she wanted to shoot Carley/Doug in the face, she got mad and lost it.
Its part of being human, making mistakes and moving on. I don't hold a grudge on Lilly. I'm sure she feels horrible for what she did.
Carver: She will have to prove herself through what will undoubtedly be hard work, we don't have to forget what she did, but we do have to find the strength in our hearts to forgive her
BS about the eyes opening
I dont think she's a bad person. She snapped and did a bad thing but I dont believe she has evil in her heart.
No. I've done both options, and the only thing you get from him if you try to save him is a mouth twitch. Which could be, as I said, the remaining air in his lungs being pushed out by Lee.
I have put it in the past now and i forgive her. To be honest i didn't like Carley that much anyway.
My body is ready for the dislikes.
I know that my Clem wouldn't be mad in the slightest at Lilly. But then again, my Clementine is currently a bit of a psychotic case right now in that she has made a concentrated effort towards throwing away the old parts of herself that made her weak and has become somewhat of a tough survivor. She would no doubt look back upon Lilly and think "She was right. Ben was weak, and he did betray us." Even if Lilly made a huge mistake and showed her own weakness, Clementine now would understand. If Lilly is alive, then I would expect her to have become similarly hardened, and she is probably in charge of some form of settlement, running things not so different from the way Carver did. Which brings me to a point: My Clementine legitimately saw the reason in Carver's methods, and resisted going against him until there was no other option and he had lost control. She harbors no love at all for the Cabin survivors, and is with them only out of necessity, and while there lingers some familiarity with Kenny, by no means is she beholden to him. My Clementine is becoming the anti-thesis of everything my Lee Everett represented, because she has seen that weakness bears no strength in this world, all that matters is survival. And while I'd like to believe that my Clementine's morality is going towards someone like Molly... I have the strangest feeling that she is ending up more and more like Jane.
Except Telltale had planned from the beginning to bring Kenny back. Remember? They deleted all of his death audio and announced way before the first episode came out that his fate would be explored.
Personally I feel Kenny should be it for returning Season 1 characters, if too many characters come back the game will start to feel incredibly contrived and fanservicey and Kenny was brought back because he was the main link to season 1 besides Lee. Lilly wouldn't be able to serve the game in the same manner unfortunately. Also, Kenny would never allow her to return to their group if he was around, he wouldn't be so happy about hanging around someone who randomly shoots people and while Kenny did kill Larry, at least he had a good reason to do it.
Maybe he'll get lucky like Kenny.
Lilly kills Ben
Players: F**k you, bitch
Kenny kills Ben
Players: Yea Kenny, kill him, you're doing the right thing
I'm not mad at her, I never was. I just don't like her.
I'm not mad at video game characters.
You have every right to think that Lilly was just trying to protect the group.First of all,Lilly lost her father in a weird situation (while we were locked up) and in my opinion she knew that in a while he was gonna die because he had constant heart problems which couldn't be dealth without the visit to a doctor.Duck got bitten during the raid which is so sad and while they were going to kill him,Katja suicided!Oh and the reason why Kenny dropped the saltlick on Larry's head was probably because of vengeance.They had fights with Lilly,he constantly insulted Kenny!And yeah I wouldn't want to live in a cage next to 2 feet zombie-Larry!That coulld even cause Clementine's death.Lets all just chill because every character in this game has his drawbacks...Everything that happened doesn't give you the choice to have the username "Kennysucks"!
Yes, I must admit even though Kenny has a more "important" role later on in the game and how he affects Season 2 as well, I always side with Lilly in the arguments, help her give CPR to Larry and take her with me on the RV because no one deserves to watch their only family member die in front of their eyes like that. Also, if you were on Lilly's side, then reveal your past to her and then go and tell Carley, I'm sure sometimes Carley will say "Lee is all she's got left" or something along those lines which makes me feel even more sorry for her. I still don't approve of her killing Carley but I don't hold a grudge and would like to see her return in Season 2
The fact that there was death audio at all kinda proves that his story was deemed done, but they apparently changed their minds due to reasons of pleasing the fanbase. I didn't mean that TellTale decided at the last possible second to bring him back, just that they can undo what seems like an obvious death scene whenever they want, which is what they did. Anyway, this also has nothing to do with my main point, that lack of death audio or not, his story was done. It didn't need a continuation.
Kenny was brought back for the fans and nothing more. There doesn't need to be a "main link" to season 1 to begin with, but if there had to be, then Omid and Christa sufficed just fine. Kenny hasn't brought anything to the table currently other than a familiar face, which, again, was not needed to begin with. Lilly would have served just fine in the exact same position, given how little Kenny's return has truly impacted anything in the plot (sure, he keeps getting pushed to the forefront, but his season 1 story has actually had no meaning this season outside of him mentioning Duck, and his escape from Savannah was completely glossed over, so his return doesn't actually mean much at all), and would actually have been more interesting given the nature of her departure from the group.
People seem to forget Lee was also a murderer who found redemption
I don't see why Lilly couldn't.
I just don't like her. She's clearly not mentally sound to break like that. Mad at her, no, but not caring too much about her, yes.
Shocking how you got 5 dislikes, Lilly's fans are out in full force aren't they.
Yes we should well I am anyway. She killed someone in cold blood, someone that didn't do anything to her and when she's let back on the RV, she takes advantage of the group and steals the RV, leaving them all for dead. And she's supposed to care about the group? yeah right. She's a lying backstabbing murderous weasel who can eat shit and die for all I care but I hope she returns so I can kill her myself.
WARNING: Super long rant ahead.
So I don’t really get why some people think Lilly is some inherently evil villain…
She did a terrible thing, but she did it within a week of suffering a horribly traumatic event, not to mention after days of Kenny harassing her and showing absolutely no sensitivity after what he did, justified or not. Her home for months had just been lost, and she was dead sure that someone in the group was a serious threat.
She was a good person who killed someone after months of stress, because she suffered a breakdown and she was caught up in the heat of the moment. Not because she’s simply a born devil who finds joy in the misery of others, who kicks newborn puppies for the lolz. To consider her as such is frankly unfair to Telltale, who put so much effort into developing Lilly and making her a complex character.
Case in point, the Lilly we met in episode 1, the Lilly who wanted to defend Duck and comforted Lee after he failed to save Doug/Carley, would have NEVER killed someone in cold blood.
Everything Lilly did throughout the game, whether the player agreed with her or not, was for the group’s best interest. Not wanting to take in Ben and David/Travis is a big example; few people agreed with it, but Lilly truly believed it was for the best of the group. Or not ever wanting to leave the motor inn; the reason she was reluctant to leave was because she didn’t want the group to go on a pointless suicide mission in search of a pipe dream. Hell, the whole reason she tried to kill Carley/Ben was because she believed they were a threat to everyone else.
Whether she was right or not to think this way, I think the one thing that’s clear is that she cared about the group. If she didn’t, why would she have saved them from the bandits at gunpoint? Why would she (potentially) have saved Lee’s life multiple times? Why would she show so much concern for Clem’s health when supplies went missing? What, was it all just an act or something?
The one notable act of selfishness was when she stole the RV. But let’s be honest, she had no other options. By then, the group she was trying so hard to protect no longer considered her part of them. She was a paranoid, nervous wreck who thought they would kill her if she stayed.
What she did was wrong, but I understand why she did it and I hope she gets the chance to redeem herself. At the very least, I hope she hasn’t been damaged to the point that she doesn’t even care about redemption.
I’ve accepted what she did a long time ago, and I’m kinda pissed that we never got the chance to really give her the support she needed back in season 1. We never got to talk to her or comfort her about the meat locker incident, we never got to really talk to her after she killed someone… Her character arc was just as interesting as Kenny’s, and it’s unfortunate that her story got cut short while Kenny got a satisfying conclusion to his story… and was then given ANOTHER (needless) story in season 2, arguably stealing the spotlight from other interesting characters.
So if Lilly ever does come back, I hope her character is handled with just as much respect as Kenny’s, because she deserved to return just as much as (if not more than) Kenny did. Now awaiting downvotes :P
Yeah, you can. Just say it. Carley was stupid anyway. Can't even put a battery in right. At least Doug was useful. TTG is horrible when it comes to romances. I wanted my Lee with Lily. Even on the file that i saved Carley in, all we get is a kiss on the cheek.
I hope Bigby gets a romance with Snow in 105.
She was supposed to be Lily from the comic book. But Kirkman ruined that over a book that sucked ass. Kirkman should give the rights to someone else cause his comic book is so stupid.
Lily pretty much has no purpose for the story anymore.
nah brah she cocked blocked me with carley
lee was gonna get some puss tonight
Lee said he murdered the senator and "hurt" his wife pretty badly when he caught them on the act. It was in the heat of the moment. It was a crime of passion.
Lilly murdered Doug / Carley after losing her only family,and still being forced to lead a group of people who seem to despise or not value her leadership at all, through a super stressful life-or-death situation such as a ZA. Not to mention that they'd just narrowly escaped from being wiped out by the bandits because of someone within the group who'd fucked up. I'd say she was under great stress at the moment of the murder, and not thinking clearly. She's not all that different from Lee. There's nothing cold about her demeanor when she shot D/C. Just a quick glance at her face a second afterwards and you can tell she's frozen in place thinking "what the fuck did I just do?"
I don't get why people are able to forgive Lee and not her?
Lilly did some pretty valuable things for the group. She was the one who kept them all on a firearm training regimen, she took the burden of managing supplies, she took the first shot that saved them from being executed at the motel.
A redemption for BANANA MAN!!
Look! What's that in the sky? Is it a plane, is it bird? NO ITS BANANA MAN!!!
Hopes for no copyright strike
I know, and that is the most tragic thing about it.
Merak, we got into discussion before and you gave up but if you want to get into it again, why not
Because she killed a lovable character in cold blood out of nothing and robbed her group leaving them stranded and showed no remorse. If that is not enough for her to be a villain, then I don't know what will.
Welcome to The Walking Dead where a survivor will suffer a traumatic event no guaranteed. Sure there was a threat in the group but using it to pick on a survivor you don't like and then shooting her with no evidence isn't the right way to about it.
Good people don't kill an innocent for no reason whether you think she had one or not and don't rob their group that consists of two kids after you commit a sinister act and they're kind enough to bring you along. Whether you think she's evil or not, she does have a cold heart to even do those things.
She never defended Duck, she just stood behind her douchebag dad and did nothing. And we just met her, we didn't know her enough to believe whether she'll do something sinister or not. I'm sure The Governor in the novel would have never commit the acts he does in the comics but you know that is The Walking Dead, it test people's humanity.
Not leaving the Motor Inn was for her dad's best interest, not the groups. And staying at the Motor Inn was suicide considering the bandit threat lurking in the nearby woods and could potentially attack at any moment, they did it her way and look what happened, they lost the supplies. She tried killing Carley because she didn't like her, she tried killing Ben because she's gun crazy but in the end, she had no evidence and all she had was a hunch!
Because she had no choice but to kill the bandits because they invaded the motel and they would eventually find her. She saved his life once and that's determinant. She didn't show concern for Clem, she brought Clem up to push Lee into doing an investigation because she's too lazy to do it herself. Besides, all this care for the group was thrown out the window when she robbed the RV and left them to die so yeah, I believe it was an act considering she didn't seem to care that she was leaving them vulnerable out on the road when they could've done the same earlier when she gunned down a member of her own group.
No other options? What was wrong with her legs? Why couldn't she run on foot? Like I said before, this is the group that wouldn't kill the cannibals, what makes you think they would kill her? if they wanted to kill her, they would've done it on the spot. Whose fault was it that the group no longer considered her part of them? what did she think was gonna happen, they rub her shoulder and tell it's gonna be OK after she killed one of their own?
If a cop shot a suspect because he thought the suspect is guilty, what do you think the judge will say? "Oh you only trying to protect & serve" or will his ass get thrown in jail where he belongs? Do you think society will understand that? Lilly had a second chance even though she didn't deserve it when the group let her back on the RV and what did she choose to do? You know the answer. Redemption is out of the question for her because she believed she did nothing wrong in the first place and had no reason to do other than a word of mouth.
It's been a week, I'm sure she got the support she needed, regardless that would not have stopped her from doing the things she does and you do talk to her after she murdered in cold blood and she complains about being tied up instead of feeling any remorse for the life she took. It was different with Kenny because you can actually count on him not to go batshit crazy and you can count on him even when you're a dick to him. And what would Lilly add if Kenny's story is needless? Adding her to the new group will create more hostility because she's a train-wreck that will rile people with her bitchy attitude.
Personally I'd like to see her as a villain because that is what she is. She needs to return to give us gamers that despise her some closure to end her miserable existence. That's how you'll handle her character, making her into a noble hero as you suggest and other Lilly fans want will seem out of character for a cold hearted bitch that murdered in cold blood and left people to die.
I guess people can't get over their Carley waifus
At least lee tries to go for redemption what does lily do if you give her a chance exactly
We discussed this before? Ha, sorry for bringing this up again then, I go on this forum so infrequently I guess I forgot :P
Because she killed a lovable character in cold blood out of nothing and robbed her group leaving them stranded and showed no remorse. If that is not enough for her to be a villain, then I don't know what will.
Except it wasn’t out of nothing; as I said there were reasons for her actions, namely the fact that she was losing her mind by that point. And it seemed like she regretted stealing the RV to me. “I’m sorry Lee. I really am…” Of course, she lies to Lee if he agrees to go with her, but I’m convinced she left him anyways because she was so paranoid by that point that she couldn’t wrap her head around the idea that Lee would actually agree to leave with her. You can see by her reaction if he agrees that she doesn’t believe him at all. “Okay? Seriously?”
Welcome to The Walking Dead where a survivor will suffer a traumatic event no guaranteed. Sure there was a threat in the group but using it to pick on a survivor you don't like and then shooting her with no evidence isn't the right way to about it. Good people don't kill an innocent for no reason whether you think she had one or not and don't rob their group that consists of two kids after you commit a sinister act and they're kind enough to bring you along. Whether you think she's evil or not, she does have a cold heart to even do those things.
Um, yeah, people in the Walking Dead suffer. What are you getting at? The fact that other people suffered means Lilly’s suffering is irrelevant?
Good people can be driven to do horrible things if they suffer through enough crap. “Good people” wouldn’t goad their friends to drop kids from bell towers. “Good people” wouldn’t steal boats from helpful strangers. The fact that Lilly, Kenny, and Vernon all did horrible things doesn’t immediately make them evil people. You can’t just ignore the traumatic events they’ve experienced and decide that, ignoring the context, oh, that person did that for no other reason than the fact that they happen to be a horrible person.
She never defended Duck, she just stood behind her douchebag dad and did nothing. And we just met her, we didn't know her enough to believe whether she'll do something sinister or not. I'm sure The Governor in the novel would have never commit the acts he does in the comics but you know that is The Walking Dead, it test people's humanity.
It’s in the background, but she does attempt to defend Duck, at least until her dad tells her to shut up. “Dad, he’s just a boy!” She also tells Lee that she didn’t agree with Larry. I guess you could give her crap for not arguing for Duck harder, but Larry’s likely been bullying her to do things his way her entire life, and she knows provoking her father wouldn’t be a good idea considering his heart condition.
Because she had no choice but to kill the bandits because they invaded the motel and they would eventually find her. She saved his life once and that's determinant. She didn't show concern for Clem, she brought Clem up to push Lee into doing an investigation because she's too lazy to do it herself. Besides, all this care for the group was thrown out the window when she robbed the RV and left them to die so yeah, I believe it was an act considering she didn't seem to care that she was leaving them vulnerable out on the road when they could've done the same earlier when she gunned down a member of her own group.
Why would you think her concern for the group was an act? She was in no danger at the moment, and if she truly didn’t care, she would’ve snuck off into the night the second the bandits showed up. And Lilly actually brings up Clem after Lee agreed to help and the supplies are found, she had no reason to bring her up as a means to push Lee. The only plausible reason she brought Clem up was because she was genuinely concerned. Add that to the fact that she shows explicit concern for Clem in ep.1, and those little implied scenes of her interacting with Clem (giving hairbands, talking with her on the camera recording) I think her concern for Clem is genuine.
No other options? What was wrong with her legs? Why couldn't she run on foot? Like I said before, this is the group that wouldn't kill the cannibals, what makes you think they would kill her? if they wanted to kill her, they would've done it on the spot. Whose fault was it that the group no longer considered her part of them? what did she think was gonna happen, they rub her shoulder and tell it's gonna be OK after she killed one of their own?
I’d think the bigger problem would be that she’d have no supplies, and walking off into a deserted stretch of road on foot wouldn’t be a great idea. And as for the group wanting to kill her: “I’m tied up here while you guys decide what to do with me…” Lilly thought the group hadn’t decided what to do with her yet, and she was more than certain that they’d eventually choose to kill her or something.
If a cop shot a suspect because he thought the suspect is guilty, what do you think the judge will say? "Oh you only trying to protect & serve" or will his ass get thrown in jail where he belongs? Do you think society will understand that? Lilly had a second chance even though she didn't deserve it when the group let her back on the RV and what did she choose to do? You know the answer. Redemption is out of the question for her because she believed she did nothing wrong in the first place and had no reason to do other than a word of mouth.
As I’ve said, Lilly didn’t believe the group was giving her a second chance. To her, they brought her along to slowly decide how they were going to punish her. I mean, it’s understandable she’d think that way, especially since Lee threateningly says “Get in. We’ll figure out what to do with you.” if he decides to take her, not “Get in. You did a shitty thing, but we can’t just leave you out here…”
In Lilly’s view, she wasn’t given a chance at redemption. To her, she was given a few hours to live while the group planned to kill/punish her. Not saying they actually were going to kill her, but Lilly clearly thought so.
It's been a week, I'm sure she got the support she needed, regardless that would not have stopped her from doing the things she does and you do talk to her after she murdered in cold blood and she complains about being tied up instead of feeling any remorse for the life she took. It was different with Kenny because you can actually count on him not to go batshit crazy and you can count on him even when you're a dick to him. And what would Lilly add if Kenny's story is needless? Adding her to the new group will create more hostility because she's a train-wreck that will rile people with her bitchy attitude.
Actually, I really doubt she got any emotional support. Talking to the group makes it clear no one besides Kenny, Lee and Clem know what really happened to Larry. Kenny clearly wasn’t making things easier for her, and Lee’s attempts to console her are half-hearted at best. “You… haven’t really been sleeping” is about the extent of his concern. And I was really annoyed we didn’t get the option to pursue that topic, because I knew Lilly was suffering inside but didn’t want to show it.
And I’m glad you asked what Lilly could add. What would Clementine think of her after her crime? How would Lilly react to Clem depending on Lee’s relationship with her, whether he abandoned her or not? How would she react to the news of his death? How did she change after 2 years? And I remember one of the big themes Telltale said they would focus on in season 2 was the issue of trust. Whether or not to trust Kenny was not a difficult dilemma in any sense of the word. But it’d pretty damn hard to decide whether or not to trust Lilly. Would she show regret for her actions? Would you believe her remorse is genuine? Etc.
Personally I'd like to see her as a villain because that is what she is. She needs to return to give us gamers that despise her some closure to end her miserable existence. That's how you'll handle her character, making her into a noble hero as you suggest and other Lilly fans want will seem out of character for a cold hearted bitch that murdered in cold blood and left people to die.
Saying Lilly is a straight out villain isn’t fair. She isn’t inherently evil, she was a regular person who snapped in a horrible situation. And when did I suggest she was a noble hero? I think her killing Doug/Carley was an absolutely disgusting act and was the weakest thing she’d ever done. But I know not to judge her entire character on something she did in the heat of the moment, after suffering trauma and stress for months on end.
Btw, how do you make that cool box around stuff quoted from other people’s posts?
I don't think it's just the killing itself, but Lilly's actions immediately following it that make so many people hate her. Not only does she kill a valuable member of the group who had saved them on multiple occasions (either Carley or Doug, that really describes both of them) but afterward she tells everyone Lee's secret even if Lee supported her and Larry 100%. After that, if you agree to keep her with you, she'll lie to Lee about taking him with her and steals the RV as soon as he steps off to go get Clem. None of those actions paint the best picture.
Fuck Carley.
Lilly killed my Dougiepoo, I condemn her to the worse possible hell imaginable.
I have a wicked mad on for Lilly.
You know what? I don't get you guys why you mad at Lily...I mean...she may sound crazy but she wasn't stupid...
She knew what was going on, but everyone were bashing her because she shot this girl...
Ben is the one that needs to be mad at... he knew what he did but didn't speak up earlier...he was responsible for this girl's death..indirectly.
Actually, getting mad at Lilly is pretty understandable. I mean, she shot someone in the face... Pretty directly responsible if you ask me.
Of course, I'm still pretty mad at Ben. He basically endangered the entire group by not telling them bandits were going to kill them the minute they stopped getting drugs. His secrecy is partly why Lilly went so nutso paranoid, and if he just told them about the bandits, the group would've had the opportunity to safely sneak away from the motor inn in the RV without the bandits knowing.
And the worst part is that he did all this for an imaginary friend. He endangered a group of strangers who took him in, asked for nothing in return, protected him and gave him a share of their dwindling supplies, and in the case of Clem, actually befriended him. And he betrayed them for a friend who didn't even exist.
Lilly is Murder she cold blooded shot Carley in the head she was the best character beside Clem and Kenny. She also wanted to shot Ben but shot Doug. I would really be happy if we see her again in season 2. I mean you never saw her die so she could come back.
Gawd, so much text!