We discussed this before? Ha, sorry for bringing this up again then, I go on this forum so infrequently I guess I forgot :P
And looks like we go at it again.
Except it wasn’t out of nothing; as I said there were reasons for her actions, namely the fact that she was losing her mind by that point. And it seemed like she regretted stealing the RV to me. “I’m sorry Lee. I really am…” Of course, she lies to Lee if he agrees to go with her, but I’m convinced she left him anyways because she was so paranoid by that point that she couldn’t wrap her head around the idea that Lee would actually agree to leave with her. You can see by her reaction if he agrees that she doesn’t believe him at all. “Okay? Seriously?”
In Ben's case, maybe there was but there was nothing in Carley's case. And actions speak louder than words and as you said, Lilly lied about taking you with her, how do I know she was really sorry especially since she had a cold blank expression on her face as if she didn't give a fuck like when she killed Carley and this is the same bitch that ratted you out to be a killer to drag you down, she's a weasel. Lilly only asks Lee to come with if he has been good to her which makes it much worse since she was leaving a friend to die.
Um, yeah, people in the Walking Dead suffer. What are you getting at? The fact that other people suffered means Lilly’s suffering is irrelevant?
My point is that others suffered a traumatic experience, even worse and I can list out the characters that went through it and didn't do half the shit Lilly did.
Good people can be driven to do horrible things if they suffer through enough crap. “Good people” wouldn’t goad their friends to drop kids from bell towers. “Good people” wouldn’t steal boats from helpful strangers. The fact that Lilly, Kenny, and Vernon all did horrible things doesn’t immediately make them evil people. You can’t just ignore the traumatic events they’ve experienced and decide that, ignoring the context, oh, that person did that for no other reason than the fact that they happen to be a horrible person.
Kenny didn't goad Lee to drop Ben, he suggested it because Lee was struggling to hold onto him and Ben even told him to let him go. As much as it pissed me off, Vernon did it to help his group while Lilly robbed her own group and Vernon even left a note of apology. Kenny and Vernon had there reason while Lilly had no reason, cold blooded murder is a lot different than robbing to survive and telling a guy to let go of a teen who already gave him permission to do so because he can't be saved, that's what makes her a horrible human being.
It’s in the background, but she does attempt to defend Duck, at least until her dad tells her to shut up. “Dad, he’s just a boy!” She also tells Lee that she didn’t agree with Larry. I guess you could give her crap for not arguing for Duck harder, but Larry’s likely been bullying her to do things his way her entire life, and she knows provoking her father wouldn’t be a good idea considering his heart condition.
But she is the leader right? she doesn't have to tell her dad to "SHUT THE FUCK UP" but she could've tried reasoning with him and that's all anyone could ask for.
Why would you think her concern for the group was an act? She was in no danger at the moment, and if she truly didn’t care, she would’ve snuck off into the night the second the bandits showed up. And Lilly actually brings up Clem after Lee agreed to help and the supplies are found, she had no reason to bring her up as a means to push Lee. The only plausible reason she brought Clem up was because she was genuinely concerned. Add that to the fact that she shows explicit concern for Clem in ep.1, and those little implied scenes of her interacting with Clem (giving hairbands, talking with her on the camera recording) I think her concern for Clem is genuine.
I already told you Merak, her stealing the RV throws the care she had for the group out the window. Where would she sneak off to? who would take orders from her? who would get supplies for her? In my playthrough, she brought up Clem before I even agreed to do some snooping, she brought her up to convince Lee to take a look. And again with the hairbands, what is she gonna do with the hairbands? and talking to her in the camera recording means nothing, Andy St John talked to her nicely and built her a tree swing, did that mean he cared? fuck no! If her concern for Clem is genuine then why she leave her to die by taking the RV? It's always gonna lead back to the RV.
I’d think the bigger problem would be that she’d have no supplies, and walking off into a deserted stretch of road on foot wouldn’t be a great idea. And as for the group wanting to kill her: “I’m tied up here while you guys decide what to do with me…” Lilly thought the group hadn’t decided what to do with her yet, and she was more than certain that they’d eventually choose to kill her or something.
They had no supplies anyway, Lilly said the supplies were lost in the bandit attack. And walking off into a deserted stretch of road on foot isn't a good idea for her but it is a good idea for the group she supposedly cares for that consists of two kids? And who would kill her? Lee? the guy that wouldn't leave her out there, Kenny? the man that looked horrified after throwing a salt lick on a unconscious man he believed was dead, Ben? the cowardly teen, Katjaa? Clementine? Duck? None of them seem to be a band of killers.
As I’ve said, Lilly didn’t believe the group was giving her a second chance. To her, they brought her along to slowly decide how they were going to punish her. I mean, it’s understandable she’d think that way, especially since Lee threateningly says “Get in. We’ll figure out what to do with you.” if he decides to take her, not “Get in. You did a shitty thing, but we can’t just leave you out here…” In Lilly’s view, she wasn’t given a chance at redemption. To her, she was given a few hours to live while the group planned to kill/punish her. Not saying they actually were going to kill her, but Lilly clearly thought so.
Not once was the word "punish" even mentioned. Lee didn't threaten her, he didn't say "Get in, leaving you out here is too humane, you're going to fucking pay for what you've did", he just told her to get in, it's not his fault Lilly didn't ask "why". If a group lets you back on after you commit a sinister act by murdering your fellow group member in cold blood who was popular with the others instead of leaving you stranded like the vicious animal you are, that was your chance to make it up to them but Lilly had other ideas that would only benefit her.
Actually, I really doubt she got any emotional support. Talking to the group makes it clear no one besides Kenny, Lee and Clem know what really happened to Larry. Kenny clearly wasn’t making things easier for her, and Lee’s attempts to console her are half-hearted at best. “You… haven’t really been sleeping” is about the extent of his concern. And I was really annoyed we didn’t get the option to pursue that topic, because I knew Lilly was suffering inside but didn’t want to show it.
I'm sure others would've asked how she was doing. As you said, Lee attempted to console her, and as you put it, talking to other group members is pointless and I doubt she wants to talk to Kenny. Heck, I don't recall talking Kenny about his dead wife & son that much but did he kill anybody in cold blood because he had no consoling? no.
And I’m glad you asked what Lilly could add. What would Clementine think of her after her crime? How would Lilly react to Clem depending on Lee’s relationship with her, whether he abandoned her or not? How would she react to the news of his death? How did she change after 2 years? And I remember one of the big themes Telltale said they would focus on in season 2 was the issue of trust. Whether or not to trust Kenny was not a difficult dilemma in any sense of the word. But it’d pretty damn hard to decide whether or not to trust Lilly. Would she show regret for her actions? Would you believe her remorse is genuine? Etc.
What would Clementine think of her after her crime? If she had any sense of morality, a backstabbing lying monster. How would Lilly react to Clem depending on Lee’s relationship with her, whether he abandoned her or not? "Hey Clem, about what happened, KEEP YOUR FUCKING MOUTH SHUT!" How would she react to the news of his death? She wouldn't give a rats ass. How did she change after 2 years? Brutal like Carver, a dictator perhaps if anyone was dumb enough to elect her as leader. Would she show regret for her actions? If she didn't then, she wouldn't now. **Would you believe her remorse is genuine? ** Absolutely no fucking way.
Saying Lilly is a straight out villain isn’t fair. She isn’t inherently evil, she was a regular person who snapped in a horrible situation. And when did I suggest she was a noble hero? I think her killing Doug/Carley was an absolutely disgusting act and was the weakest thing she’d ever done. But I know not to judge her entire character on something she did in the heat of the moment, after suffering trauma and stress for months on end.
The St Johns, The Governor, The Stranger, The Hunters, The Bandits, Carver were all regular people, doesn't change the fact that they committed sinister acts as if you have no conscious anymore. You guys act like she should come back as a hero when demonstrated no sign of being a good person, it has to be more than the hair band, if Troy saving Clementine wasn't enough for him to get sympathy from fans then useless hairbands wont get mine. I'm judging what I've seen on screen and that is a character that is a unreasonable lazy bitch that commits murder and showed no guilt and then commits Grand Theft Auto after given a second chance, well she can eat shit and die as she gives us more reason to dislike her. Carver killed a person in the heat of the moment but I'm sure your opinion of him changed after he did that.
Btw, how do you make that cool box around stuff quoted from other people’s posts?
Highlight the message you want to quote, there are buttons just above the reply box with BI etc, click on the one that has this similar mark " or as I say looks like a 66, it's the 7th box from the left and 2nd box from the right. This symbol **> ** will come up next to the highlighted message which means the message is quoted.
We discussed this before? Ha, sorry for bringing this up again then, I go on this forum so infrequently I guess I forgot :P
Because she k… moreilled a lovable character in cold blood out of nothing and robbed her group leaving them stranded and showed no remorse. If that is not enough for her to be a villain, then I don't know what will.
Except it wasn’t out of nothing; as I said there were reasons for her actions, namely the fact that she was losing her mind by that point. And it seemed like she regretted stealing the RV to me. “I’m sorry Lee. I really am…” Of course, she lies to Lee if he agrees to go with her, but I’m convinced she left him anyways because she was so paranoid by that point that she couldn’t wrap her head around the idea that Lee would actually agree to leave with her. You can see by her reaction if he agrees that she doesn’t believe him at all. “Okay? Seriously?”
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Well she was stupid enough to accuse a woman she knew for 3 months(that saved the group countless times) instead of the new guy(Ben). Then again, this is the same person that put Ben(who she revealed that she didn't trust) on an important job of being on watch and keeping the group at the motel thinking nothing would happen when it was revealed in the video recording that the motel would be the next target of the bandits if the farm falls.
You know what? I don't get you guys why you mad at Lily...I mean...she may sound crazy but she wasn't stupid...
She knew what was going on,… more but everyone were bashing her because she shot this girl...
Ben is the one that needs to be mad at... he knew what he did but didn't speak up earlier...he was responsible for this girl's death..indirectly.
Lee said he murdered the senator and "hurt" his wife pretty badly when he caught them on the act. It was in the heat of the moment. It was a… more crime of passion.
Lilly murdered Doug / Carley after losing her only family,and still being forced to lead a group of people who seem to despise or not value her leadership at all, through a super stressful life-or-death situation such as a ZA. Not to mention that they'd just narrowly escaped from being wiped out by the bandits because of someone within the group who'd fucked up. I'd say she was under great stress at the moment of the murder, and not thinking clearly. She's not all that different from Lee. There's nothing cold about her demeanor when she shot D/C. Just a quick glance at her face a second afterwards and you can tell she's frozen in place thinking "what the fuck did I just do?"
I don't get why people are able to forgive Lee and not her?
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Biased shall be biased. You forgot that she barely had time to show any emotions and that she did in le facial animations and going into shock. Lee had ages to redeem himself, your mind was made up about Lilly asap. Very different
Lee killed a guy in a fight by accident with reason and showed remorse.
Lilly killed a girl in cold blood on purpose with no reason and s… morehowed no remorse.
Lee already redeemed himself by taking care of a little girl, what did Lilly do? left that same little girl to die.
After she murdered Carly, a woman who never hurt no one, I gladly left her on the side of the road.
I kept thinking, "If she did that to Ca… morerly, how long would it be before she tried to kill me?"
Kenny said everything I would've said, if that had been a dialogue option for Lee.
I was highly outraged by what she did, though I was not yelling and screaming about it.
After all, it is just a videogame, and not real life, thank God.
Nevertheless, I still found her character's actions highly repugnant!
If she were to turn up this season, I'd be civil, yet highly cautious.
I wouldn't trust her, and just let her back into the group.
She would have to work really hard to win my trust back.
Which is reasonable, given her action in season 1.
I'd be really curious to see how Kenny would react if the group ran into her.
Even though I have a pretty good idea how he'd react.
Lilly might have shot Carley/Doug and that is something not to forgive.Why should I be happy for her coming back?Give me at least one reason… more.Because I give my answers based on something,I will give you the main reasons why I don't want her back:
* She might be a danger to the group.
* Kenny and her will start fighting again attracting zombies probably causing someones death.The main reason of their fight might be his new girlfriend and how he didn't love Katja.
* She may steal supplies and just leave us again just like she did in the RV back in Season 1.
That are the main reasons of why I.Will.Never.Trust.Lilly.Again!If she comes back the texts in my opinion should be:
* [...]
* Didn't you die?
* Please stay and have something to eat.
* Please leave,we don't want another one to be dead.
How do you "accidentaly" beat the guy who was banging your wife to death, and then hurt her? He killed a person in a situation where his judgement was clouded by anger. There's no "reason" to kill a person for something such as cheating.
Lilly also killed Carley in a fit of rage and desperation, they had just escaped a situation of life and death, all because there was a traitor in the group.
How is Lilly cold blooded? She freezes up and gets that blank "what the fuck did I just do" look on her face as soon as she pulls the trigger, then she starts panicking. Lilly killed a person in an even more fucked up situation. Leading a group through a zombie apocalypse, having lost all her family, then almost watching the whole group get killed by bandits because someone from inside screwed them over sounds like a way more stressful and justifiable situation for someone to snap than finding a cheating partner.
She wasn't thinking clearly when she did it, much like Lee, if not even more so.
Lee killed a guy in a fight by accident with reason and showed remorse.
Lilly killed a girl in cold blood on purpose with no reason and s… morehowed no remorse.
Lee already redeemed himself by taking care of a little girl, what did Lilly do? left that same little girl to die.
Biased shall be biased. You forgot that she barely had time to show any emotions and that she did in le facial animations and going into shock. Lee had ages to redeem himself, your mind was made up about Lilly asap. Very different
That's what I meant by freezing in place. She just stands there pointing the gun with a blank expression.
Then Lee snaps her out of it and she starts panicking.
How do you "accidentaly" beat the guy who was banging your wife to death, and then hurt her? He killed a person in a situation where his judgement was clouded by anger. There's no "reason" to kill a person for something such as cheating.
How many fights have you been in? The idea of killing someone in a fight when you engage in one seems unlikely. When Lee said he hurt his wife, I don't think he meant physically. When Lee said fight, senator was also throwing punches, at least he had the chance to defend himself, Carley never had a chance.
Lilly also killed Carley in a fit of rage and desperation, they had just escaped a situation of life and death, all because there was a traitor in the group.
What was her reason or evidence to accuse her again? Nothing.
How is Lilly cold blooded? She freezes up and gets that "what the fuck did I just do" look on her face as soon as she pulls the trigger, then she starts panicking. Lilly killed a person in an even more fucked up situation. Leading a group through a zombie apocalypse, having lost all her family, then almost watching the whole group get killed by bandits because someone from inside screwed them over sounds like a way more stressful and justifiable situation for someone to snap than finding a cheating partner.
She tried justifying it after being apprehended and the fact she didn't seem to affected by it. I'm sure Lee didn't think he would kill the senator in a fistfight, did Lilly think nothing would happen to Carley if she shot her in the face? Besides, she's not the only in a fucked up situation, the whole group were.
She wasn't thinking clearly when she did it, much like Lee, if not even more so.
She didn't hesitate to accuse Carley and start harassing and pushing her. I'm sure she had to think who the culprit is.
How do you "accidentaly" beat the guy who was banging your wife to death, and then hurt her? He killed a person in a situation where his jud… moregement was clouded by anger. There's no "reason" to kill a person for something such as cheating.
Lilly also killed Carley in a fit of rage and desperation, they had just escaped a situation of life and death, all because there was a traitor in the group.
How is Lilly cold blooded? She freezes up and gets that blank "what the fuck did I just do" look on her face as soon as she pulls the trigger, then she starts panicking. Lilly killed a person in an even more fucked up situation. Leading a group through a zombie apocalypse, having lost all her family, then almost watching the whole group get killed by bandits because someone from inside screwed them over sounds like a way more stressful and justifiable situation for someone to snap than finding a cheating partner.
She wasn't thinking clearly when she did it, much like Lee, if not even more so.
That's what I meant by freezing in place. She just stands there pointing the gun with a blank expression.
Then Lee snaps her out of it and she starts panicking.
As the leader she probably felt she was responsible for having to root out the traitor.
She only accused Carley after she stood up for Ben, who was acting suspiciously. She even tries to shoot Ben if Doug is the one there. I'm sure she wouldn't have shot Carley if they weren't all over the edge. They never had any beef prior to that, unlike the Kenny relashionship. She literally had no reason to shoot Carley other than blind anger.
You gotta go pretty ballistic on a guy to "accidentaly" kill him in a fistfight, c'mon. I'm pretty sure he kept punching or choked the guy after he was down. Lee has shown that he can strangle someone to death [the stranger] with just one hand WHILE being nearly zombified. He must have been going pretty crazy at the guy back then, intent to kill.
How do you "accidentaly" beat the guy who was banging your wife to death, and then hurt her? He killed a person in a situation where his jud… moregement was clouded by anger. There's no "reason" to kill a person for something such as cheating.
How many fights have you been in? The idea of killing someone in a fight when you engage in one seems unlikely. When Lee said he hurt his wife, I don't think he meant physically. When Lee said fight, senator was also throwing punches, at least he had the chance to defend himself, Carley never had a chance.
Lilly also killed Carley in a fit of rage and desperation, they had just escaped a situation of life and death, all because there was a traitor in the group.
What was her reason or evidence to accuse her again? Nothing.
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That's what's called blind anger. Heat of the moment.
Carley's scenario had her especially angry because Carley kept adding fuel to the fire. So she just lashed out at her.
Or do you think Lee instantly showed remorse after he knocked the senator down? I'm pretty sure he was still angry at the situation.
The guilt always comes later when the moment's passed.
Why didn't she make that face with Doug?
She only starting panicking because she was apprehended and lost control of the group who will not listen to her anymore.
I showed you a screenshot ages ago, I could attempt to find it again I suppose but they changed her face depending on Doug or Carley. Doug she looks horrified, Carley she looks blank or in shock.
I didn't say Lee intentionally took ages. I said he was given longer to redeem himself than Lilly storywise
I showed you a screenshot ages ago, I could attempt to find it again I suppose but they changed her face depending on Doug or Carley. Doug s… morehe looks horrified, Carley she looks blank or in shock.
I didn't say Lee intentionally took ages. I said he was given longer to redeem himself than Lilly storywise
she may sound crazy but she wasn't stupid
Well she was stupid enough to accuse a woman she knew for 3 months(that saved the group co… moreuntless times) instead of the new guy(Ben). Then again, this is the same person that put Ben(who she revealed that she didn't trust) on an important job of being on watch and keeping the group at the motel thinking nothing would happen when it was revealed in the video recording that the motel would be the next target of the bandits if the farm falls.
It's socking how some people are completely in one side and hate the other character.If Lilly comes back,I think I would give her a second chance.But in my opinion,Kenny wouldn't...Nothing personal but I don't want Kenny/Lilly fights again.Just bring her back so in a scene we can choose from Kenny/Lilly which one to save.Then in the end we'll see the percentages.Most certainly it would be 50/50.
Lilly needed to be abandoned. What if thought thought maybe Katjaa, Duck, or Clementine made the deal with the bandits and killed any of them? If you were a parent, would you want Lilly around your kids?
Lilly is not a bad person. A hard-ass for sure, but she has a lot of responsibility to uphold. It ain't easy to have all that management, so she isn't bad for slipping and killing Doug/Carley. I still left her though, it was in the heat of the moment, and I felt really bad afterwards.
But would you want her around Duck or Clem after what she did? She may have just snapped, but what if she snapped again?
If there weren't kids in the group, I would let Lilly back on the RV, but keep her tied up so tight that she couldn't escape; and keep a VERY close eye on her.
Lilly is not a bad person. A hard-ass for sure, but she has a lot of responsibility to uphold. It ain't easy to have all that management, so… more she isn't bad for slipping and killing Doug/Carley. I still left her though, it was in the heat of the moment, and I felt really bad afterwards.
That's what's called blind anger. Heat of the moment. Carley's scenario had her especially angry because Carley kept adding fuel to the fire. So she just lashed out at her.
What was the first words out of Lilly's mouth after she killed Carley compared to the words she said after killing Doug? She tried justifying her actions, are those the words of a remorseful person? Yeah didn't think so.
Or do you think Lee instantly showed remorse after he knocked the senator down? I'm pretty sure he was still angry at the situation. The guilt always comes later when the moment's passed.
Since we weren't there, never witnessed it on screen so we can't know what his reaction was right after the fight so we can't compare a crime we've not seen to a crime we witnessed on screen.
That's what's called blind anger. Heat of the moment.
Carley's scenario had her especially angry because Carley kept adding fuel to the fir… moree. So she just lashed out at her.
Or do you think Lee instantly showed remorse after he knocked the senator down? I'm pretty sure he was still angry at the situation.
The guilt always comes later when the moment's passed.
I showed you a screenshot ages ago, I could attempt to find it again I suppose but they changed her face depending on Doug or Carley. Doug she looks horrified, Carley she looks blank or in shock. I didn't say Lee intentionally took ages. I said he was given longer to redeem himself than Lilly storywise
And like I said before, the screenshot proved nothing, I remember the screenshot you showed me had Lee pin Lilly against the RV with Lilly looking at her right hand, she realized she was screwed because she lost of the group who will not be taking any orders from her. You may think Lee took longer but when he saw redemption, he took it while Lilly had her chance and you know what she does, she punishes the whole group, who did Lee punish after he was convicted?
I showed you a screenshot ages ago, I could attempt to find it again I suppose but they changed her face depending on Doug or Carley. Doug s… morehe looks horrified, Carley she looks blank or in shock.
I didn't say Lee intentionally took ages. I said he was given longer to redeem himself than Lilly storywise
As the leader she probably felt she was responsible for having to root out the traitor.
And how did she do that? Random guesses.
She only accused Carley after she stood up for Ben, who was acting suspiciously. She even tries to shoot Ben if Doug is the one there. I'm sure she wouldn't have shot Carley if they weren't all over the edge. They never had any beef prior to that, unlike the Kenny relashionship. She literally had no reason to shoot Carley other than blind anger.
Why don't you watch the scene again, she goes straight after Carley and starts hassling her. Yeah she tries to kill Ben in Doug's version but she kills Carley instead attempting to shoot Ben. I'm sure there was beef or that Lilly never liked Carley considering Lilly accuses her out of nowhere when she says nothing to Doug.
You gotta go pretty ballistic on a guy to "accidentaly" kill him in a fistfight, c'mon. I'm pretty sure he kept punching or choked the guy after he was down. Lee has shown that he can strangle someone to death [the stranger] with just one hand WHILE being nearly zombified. He must have been going pretty crazy at the guy back then, intent to kill.
Lee reacted like any man would when finding out their wife was cheating on them. And like I said, if we weren't there, we don't know, Lee is not the only character capable of strangling a character to death, the stranger was close to doing it too if you fail to strangle him. We don't know if he wanted to kill the senator or not but we do know that Lilly intended to kill Carley/Ben. One thing I've notice about you Lilly fans is that you always bring up another characters "fuck up" to make a case for her but when you look at her crime alone, it's a disgusting crime committed by a heartless human being in a cold hearted manner. Lee committed manslaughter while Lilly committed murder.
As the leader she probably felt she was responsible for having to root out the traitor.
She only accused Carley after she stood up for Be… moren, who was acting suspiciously. She even tries to shoot Ben if Doug is the one there. I'm sure she wouldn't have shot Carley if they weren't all over the edge. They never had any beef prior to that, unlike the Kenny relashionship. She literally had no reason to shoot Carley other than blind anger.
You gotta go pretty ballistic on a guy to "accidentaly" kill him in a fistfight, c'mon. I'm pretty sure he kept punching or choked the guy after he was down. Lee has shown that he can strangle someone to death [the stranger] with just one hand WHILE being nearly zombified. He must have been going pretty crazy at the guy back then, intent to kill.
My point is that others suffered a traumatic experience, even worse and I can list out the characters that went through it and didn't do half the shit Lilly did.
Except you have to remember that Lilly’s situation was pretty unique. In her case, trusted group members (in her eyes) betrayed her and murdered her father. And afterwards, not only could she not get any form of closure or revenge, said murdered bullied her for days on end with no signs of sympathy or apology. It makes perfect sense that she’d react with rage and paranoia. What I’m saying is that, regardless of whether or not her experiences were “worse”, her development as a result of them made perfect sense and can’t be compared with others’ experiences and their reactions to them.
Kenny didn't goad Lee to drop Ben, he suggested it because Lee was struggling to hold onto him and Ben even told him to let him go. As much as it pissed me off, Vernon did it to help his group while Lilly robbed her own group and Vernon even left a note of apology. Kenny and Vernon had there reason while Lilly had no reason, cold blooded murder is a lot different than robbing to survive and telling a guy to let go of a teen who already gave him permission to do so because he can't be saved, that's what makes her a horrible human being.
Let’s not forget that in some scenarios, Kenny outright tells Lee “I’ll see you when you’re done” as he’s holding Ben. And of course, Kenny’s furious rage if Lee decides to save Ben doesn’t mean anything, right? In fact, I’d say what Kenny did there was even more despicable than Lilly’s murder because, not only was he encouraging someone else to do the killing for him so he could avoid guilt and blame, the death wish was far more pre-meditated than Lilly’s action, and Kenny was using Ben, a teenager, as a tool to avoid all the blame for his family’s death.
Never mind the fact that Ben had good intentions. Never mind the fact that the direct reason Duck got bit was because, instead of protecting his family, Kenny ran straight for the RV without sparing them a second thought. Never mind the fact that one reason Kat killed herself was because Kenny refused to give her emotional support when she needed it most.
Saying the only reason Kenny wanted Lee to drop Ben was because Ben asked him to is incredibly naïve. Of course, this doesn’t really relate to the Lilly discussion, just one wanted to point out that horrible situations make people do horrible things. Christa said it best: “They’re not invalids, they’re people. People who’ve been through shitty situations…”
But she is the leader right? she doesn't have to tell her dad to "SHUT THE FUCK UP" but she could've tried reasoning with him and that's all anyone could ask for.
Except that’s exactly what she was doing. “Dad, he’s just a boy” etc. is reasoning with him peacefully, is it not? And obviously that didn’t work.
I already told you Merak, her stealing the RV throws the care she had for the group out the window. Where would she sneak off to? who would take orders from her? who would get supplies for her? In my playthrough, she brought up Clem before I even agreed to do some snooping, she brought her up to convince Lee to take a look. And again with the hairbands, what is she gonna do with the hairbands? and talking to her in the camera recording means nothing, Andy St John talked to her nicely and built her a tree swing, did that mean he cared? fuck no! If her concern for Clem is genuine then why she leave her to die by taking the RV? It's always gonna lead back to the RV.
Actually, I’ve never heard of Lilly bringing up Clem beforehand. How’d you get that to happen? Anyways, you have to remember that was only in your playthrough; in others’, Lilly’s only reason to bring up Clem was out of genuine concern. I also brought up the camera and hairbands because it's one of the few times a character besides Lee interacts with Clem, which is pretty significant. One of my complaints with S1 was that almost no one besides Lee ever even talks to Clem, and I find it hard to believe that it's an accident that Lilly interacts with Clem more than any other supporting character outside of Christa.
And her actions after such a climactic event as Carley/Doug’s murder isn’t an accurate portrayal of her entire character. As Katjaa said, she was “probably in shock” after doing such a monstrous thing. You seem dead certain that she abandoned them just because she’s a spiteful bitch, but the view that she left because she was a paranoid wreck by that point holds just as much water.
They had no supplies anyway, Lilly said the supplies were lost in the bandit attack. And walking off into a deserted stretch of road on foot isn't a good idea for her but it is a good idea for the group she supposedly cares for that consists of two kids? And who would kill her? Lee? the guy that wouldn't leave her out there, Kenny? the man that looked horrified after throwing a salt lick on a unconscious man he believed was dead, Ben? the cowardly teen, Katjaa? Clementine? Duck? None of them seem to be a band of killers.
I thought the implication was that the RV had some food left, judging by the Banang. As for killing her; Kenny, the man who showed remorse for about a second and then spent the subsequent week bullying Lilly and/or Lee for trying to save Larry and rubbing the fact that he was a dead man into their faces. Not to mention Kenny left a girl to die in Macon. His actions may be justified, but Lilly had every right to expect no mercy from him.
Not once was the word "punish" even mentioned. Lee didn't threaten her, he didn't say "Get in, leaving you out here is too humane, you're going to fucking pay for what you've did", he just told her to get in, it's not his fault Lilly didn't ask "why". If a group lets you back on after you commit a sinister act by murdering your fellow group member in cold blood who was popular with the others instead of leaving you stranded like the vicious animal you are, that was your chance to make it up to them but Lilly had other ideas that would only benefit her.
Once again, Kenny’s and potentially Lee’s actions did not send her the message that they were giving her a second chance. Kenny’s ruthlessness up to that point, as well as potentially Lee’s. Makes sense that Lilly would think the group was bringing her along to punish her, not to redeem her. Not to mention Lee’s dialogue choice of “We’re gonna punish her” when Clem asks about her. It’s optional, but Lilly’s paranoia obviously wasn’t unfounded in that case.
I'm sure others would've asked how she was doing. As you said, Lee attempted to console her, and as you put it, talking to other group members is pointless and I doubt she wants to talk to Kenny. Heck, I don't recall talking Kenny about his dead wife & son that much but did he kill anybody in cold blood because he had no consoling? no.
My point was that the group simply going “How ya doing, champ?” was not enough at all. Lee’s attempts to console never go beyond a simple “How d’you do?” Which sucks, because she clearly could’ve used more help. And as for Kenny… he (understandably) mopes about his family for ages, and once again, his wanting to kill Ben…
What would Clementine think of her after her crime? If she had any sense of morality, a backstabbing lying monster. How would Lilly react to Clem depending on Lee’s relationship with her, whether he abandoned her or not? "Hey Clem, about what happened, KEEP YOUR FUCKING MOUTH SHUT!" How would she react to the news of his death? She wouldn't give a rats ass. How did she change after 2 years? Brutal like Carver, a dictator perhaps if anyone was dumb enough to elect her as leader. Would she show regret for her actions? If she didn't then, she wouldn't now. **Would you believe her remorse is genuine? ** Absolutely no fucking way.
Keep in mind that only people who absolutely hate Lilly would likely react like this. I’d think for other players, namely Lilly fans or people who’re on the fence about Lilly, this would be an interesting and difficult dilemma. Whatever you might think, I’m not really a big fan of Lilly. I pity her and think that her character is fascinating, not a cookie-cutter, morally pitch-black villain. But she sure as hell is not a favourite, or even liked, character (that honor goes to Clem, Lee, Christa, and Sarah :P )
The St Johns, The Governor, The Stranger, The Hunters, The Bandits, Carver were all regular people, doesn't change the fact that they committed sinister acts as if you have no conscious anymore. You guys act like she should come back as a hero when demonstrated no sign of being a good person, it has to be more than the hair band, if Troy saving Clementine wasn't enough for him to get sympathy from fans then useless hairbands wont get mine. I'm judging what I've seen on screen and that is a character that is a unreasonable lazy bitch that commits murder and showed no guilt and then commits Grand Theft Auto after given a second chance, well she can eat shit and die as she gives us more reason to dislike her. Carver killed a person in the heat of the moment but I'm sure your opinion of him changed after he did that.
What Lilly did was nothing compared to what the St Johns, The Governor, The Stranger, The Hunters, The Bandits, and Carver did. She killed someone without premeditation or thought, while the people you listed clearly knew what they were doing and didn’t regret it one bit (with the arguable exception of the Stranger). And once again, I don’t want her to return as a hero, that would be absolutely horrible. I just want her to return and her arc be given a satisfying conclusin. People who hate her can refuse to forgive her, and others can be given the option to move past what she did. I want to see how she’s evolved as a character since season 1, I want to see how she’d interact with Kenny once they realize how similar they are and that they’ve suffered the same things.
And when did Carver kill a person in the heat of the moment?
We discussed this before? Ha, sorry for bringing this up again then, I go on this forum so infrequently I guess I forgot :P
And look… mores like we go at it again.
Except it wasn’t out of nothing; as I said there were reasons for her actions, namely the fact that she was losing her mind by that point. And it seemed like she regretted stealing the RV to me. “I’m sorry Lee. I really am…” Of course, she lies to Lee if he agrees to go with her, but I’m convinced she left him anyways because she was so paranoid by that point that she couldn’t wrap her head around the idea that Lee would actually agree to leave with her. You can see by her reaction if he agrees that she doesn’t believe him at all. “Okay? Seriously?”
In Ben's case, maybe there was but there was nothing in Carley's case. And actions speak louder than words and as you said, Lilly lied about taking you with her, how do I know she was really sorry especially since she ha… [view original content]
I understand what you mean, but the comics pull this shit all the time. I feel if there is a nice place that everyone is going to I would bet Lily would know and she'd be willing to give it a chance.
Am I the only one who doesn't want her to return? I feel that her story arc is finished and just because you don't know someone died doesn't mean they'll definitely come back. I just think its a bit too unrealistic to have her come back.
It was a full death scene and characters were in worse situations Comic Spoilers like Tyrese in the Gym. Kenny could of easily survived both situations.
The fact that there was death audio at all kinda proves that his story was deemed done, but they apparently changed their minds due to reaso… morens of pleasing the fanbase. I didn't mean that TellTale decided at the last possible second to bring him back, just that they can undo what seems like an obvious death scene whenever they want, which is what they did. Anyway, this also has nothing to do with my main point, that lack of death audio or not, his story was done. It didn't need a continuation.
Kenny was brought back for the fans and nothing more. There doesn't need to be a "main link" to season 1 to begin with, but if there had to be, then Omid and Christa sufficed just fine. Kenny hasn't brought anything to the table currently other than a familiar face, which, again, was not needed to begin with. Lilly would have served just fine in the exact same position, given how little Kenny's return has truly impacted anything in the plot (sure, he … [view original content]
She was supposed to be Lily from the comic book. But Kirkman ruined that over a book that sucked ass. Kirkman should give the rights to someone else cause his comic book is so stupid.
Lily pretty much has no purpose for the story anymore.
"How dare Telltale not give me the option to sleep with this female character! I'm going to express my anger about this by taking it out on the other female character I was less likely to sleep with!"
You never give her a chance you fucking hand-cuff her, that doesn't seem like a "You just have to prove your forgiveness." It seems like a "Bitch you gonna pay when we find out what to do."
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Lilly maybe?
And looks like we go at it again.
In Ben's case, maybe there was but there was nothing in Carley's case. And actions speak louder than words and as you said, Lilly lied about taking you with her, how do I know she was really sorry especially since she had a cold blank expression on her face as if she didn't give a fuck like when she killed Carley and this is the same bitch that ratted you out to be a killer to drag you down, she's a weasel. Lilly only asks Lee to come with if he has been good to her which makes it much worse since she was leaving a friend to die.
My point is that others suffered a traumatic experience, even worse and I can list out the characters that went through it and didn't do half the shit Lilly did.
Kenny didn't goad Lee to drop Ben, he suggested it because Lee was struggling to hold onto him and Ben even told him to let him go. As much as it pissed me off, Vernon did it to help his group while Lilly robbed her own group and Vernon even left a note of apology. Kenny and Vernon had there reason while Lilly had no reason, cold blooded murder is a lot different than robbing to survive and telling a guy to let go of a teen who already gave him permission to do so because he can't be saved, that's what makes her a horrible human being.
But she is the leader right? she doesn't have to tell her dad to "SHUT THE FUCK UP" but she could've tried reasoning with him and that's all anyone could ask for.
I already told you Merak, her stealing the RV throws the care she had for the group out the window. Where would she sneak off to? who would take orders from her? who would get supplies for her? In my playthrough, she brought up Clem before I even agreed to do some snooping, she brought her up to convince Lee to take a look. And again with the hairbands, what is she gonna do with the hairbands? and talking to her in the camera recording means nothing, Andy St John talked to her nicely and built her a tree swing, did that mean he cared? fuck no! If her concern for Clem is genuine then why she leave her to die by taking the RV? It's always gonna lead back to the RV.
They had no supplies anyway, Lilly said the supplies were lost in the bandit attack. And walking off into a deserted stretch of road on foot isn't a good idea for her but it is a good idea for the group she supposedly cares for that consists of two kids? And who would kill her? Lee? the guy that wouldn't leave her out there, Kenny? the man that looked horrified after throwing a salt lick on a unconscious man he believed was dead, Ben? the cowardly teen, Katjaa? Clementine? Duck? None of them seem to be a band of killers.
Not once was the word "punish" even mentioned. Lee didn't threaten her, he didn't say "Get in, leaving you out here is too humane, you're going to fucking pay for what you've did", he just told her to get in, it's not his fault Lilly didn't ask "why". If a group lets you back on after you commit a sinister act by murdering your fellow group member in cold blood who was popular with the others instead of leaving you stranded like the vicious animal you are, that was your chance to make it up to them but Lilly had other ideas that would only benefit her.
I'm sure others would've asked how she was doing. As you said, Lee attempted to console her, and as you put it, talking to other group members is pointless and I doubt she wants to talk to Kenny. Heck, I don't recall talking Kenny about his dead wife & son that much but did he kill anybody in cold blood because he had no consoling? no.
What would Clementine think of her after her crime? If she had any sense of morality, a backstabbing lying monster. How would Lilly react to Clem depending on Lee’s relationship with her, whether he abandoned her or not? "Hey Clem, about what happened, KEEP YOUR FUCKING MOUTH SHUT!" How would she react to the news of his death? She wouldn't give a rats ass. How did she change after 2 years? Brutal like Carver, a dictator perhaps if anyone was dumb enough to elect her as leader. Would she show regret for her actions? If she didn't then, she wouldn't now. **Would you believe her remorse is genuine? ** Absolutely no fucking way.
The St Johns, The Governor, The Stranger, The Hunters, The Bandits, Carver were all regular people, doesn't change the fact that they committed sinister acts as if you have no conscious anymore. You guys act like she should come back as a hero when demonstrated no sign of being a good person, it has to be more than the hair band, if Troy saving Clementine wasn't enough for him to get sympathy from fans then useless hairbands wont get mine. I'm judging what I've seen on screen and that is a character that is a unreasonable lazy bitch that commits murder and showed no guilt and then commits Grand Theft Auto after given a second chance, well she can eat shit and die as she gives us more reason to dislike her. Carver killed a person in the heat of the moment but I'm sure your opinion of him changed after he did that.
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Well she was stupid enough to accuse a woman she knew for 3 months(that saved the group countless times) instead of the new guy(Ben). Then again, this is the same person that put Ben(who she revealed that she didn't trust) on an important job of being on watch and keeping the group at the motel thinking nothing would happen when it was revealed in the video recording that the motel would be the next target of the bandits if the farm falls.
Lee killed a guy in a fight by accident with reason and showed remorse.
Lilly killed a girl in cold blood on purpose with no reason and showed no remorse.
Lee already redeemed himself by taking care of a little girl, what did Lilly do? left that same little girl to die.
Redemption when she thinks she thinks she'll be punished? She was scared
Biased shall be biased. You forgot that she barely had time to show any emotions and that she did in le facial animations and going into shock. Lee had ages to redeem himself, your mind was made up about Lilly asap. Very different
The bandits disagree ja
No one said forgive. But we can look past it. That is if she proves herself different
How do you "accidentaly" beat the guy who was banging your wife to death, and then hurt her? He killed a person in a situation where his judgement was clouded by anger. There's no "reason" to kill a person for something such as cheating.
Lilly also killed Carley in a fit of rage and desperation, they had just escaped a situation of life and death, all because there was a traitor in the group.
How is Lilly cold blooded? She freezes up and gets that blank "what the fuck did I just do" look on her face as soon as she pulls the trigger, then she starts panicking. Lilly killed a person in an even more fucked up situation. Leading a group through a zombie apocalypse, having lost all her family, then almost watching the whole group get killed by bandits because someone from inside screwed them over sounds like a way more stressful and justifiable situation for someone to snap than finding a cheating partner.
She wasn't thinking clearly when she did it, much like Lee, if not even more so.
Yeah she looks horrified.
What do you mean ages? When the opportunity presented itself, he took it, Lilly on the other hand not so much.
That's what I meant by freezing in place. She just stands there pointing the gun with a blank expression.
Then Lee snaps her out of it and she starts panicking.
How many fights have you been in? The idea of killing someone in a fight when you engage in one seems unlikely. When Lee said he hurt his wife, I don't think he meant physically. When Lee said fight, senator was also throwing punches, at least he had the chance to defend himself, Carley never had a chance.
What was her reason or evidence to accuse her again? Nothing.
She tried justifying it after being apprehended and the fact she didn't seem to affected by it. I'm sure Lee didn't think he would kill the senator in a fistfight, did Lilly think nothing would happen to Carley if she shot her in the face? Besides, she's not the only in a fucked up situation, the whole group were.
She didn't hesitate to accuse Carley and start harassing and pushing her. I'm sure she had to think who the culprit is.
Why didn't she make that face with Doug?
She only starting panicking because she was apprehended and lost control of the group who will not listen to her anymore.
As the leader she probably felt she was responsible for having to root out the traitor.
She only accused Carley after she stood up for Ben, who was acting suspiciously. She even tries to shoot Ben if Doug is the one there. I'm sure she wouldn't have shot Carley if they weren't all over the edge. They never had any beef prior to that, unlike the Kenny relashionship. She literally had no reason to shoot Carley other than blind anger.
You gotta go pretty ballistic on a guy to "accidentaly" kill him in a fistfight, c'mon. I'm pretty sure he kept punching or choked the guy after he was down. Lee has shown that he can strangle someone to death [the stranger] with just one hand WHILE being nearly zombified. He must have been going pretty crazy at the guy back then, intent to kill.
That's what's called blind anger. Heat of the moment.
Carley's scenario had her especially angry because Carley kept adding fuel to the fire. So she just lashed out at her.
Or do you think Lee instantly showed remorse after he knocked the senator down? I'm pretty sure he was still angry at the situation.
The guilt always comes later when the moment's passed.
I showed you a screenshot ages ago, I could attempt to find it again I suppose but they changed her face depending on Doug or Carley. Doug she looks horrified, Carley she looks blank or in shock.
I didn't say Lee intentionally took ages. I said he was given longer to redeem himself than Lilly storywise
Yeah in the Carley scene she was blind with anger.
In the Doug scene she looks truly horrified.
I had Doug in my playthrough and I really felt sorry for Lilly. She obviously felt terrible about it.
lily had a good intention....
It's socking how some people are completely in one side and hate the other character.If Lilly comes back,I think I would give her a second chance.But in my opinion,Kenny wouldn't...Nothing personal but I don't want Kenny/Lilly fights again.Just bring her back so in a scene we can choose from Kenny/Lilly which one to save.Then in the end we'll see the percentages.Most certainly it would be 50/50.
Lilly needed to be abandoned. What if thought thought maybe Katjaa, Duck, or Clementine made the deal with the bandits and killed any of them? If you were a parent, would you want Lilly around your kids?
Lilly is not a bad person. A hard-ass for sure, but she has a lot of responsibility to uphold. It ain't easy to have all that management, so she isn't bad for slipping and killing Doug/Carley. I still left her though, it was in the heat of the moment, and I felt really bad afterwards.
But would you want her around Duck or Clem after what she did? She may have just snapped, but what if she snapped again?
If there weren't kids in the group, I would let Lilly back on the RV, but keep her tied up so tight that she couldn't escape; and keep a VERY close eye on her.
What was the first words out of Lilly's mouth after she killed Carley compared to the words she said after killing Doug? She tried justifying her actions, are those the words of a remorseful person? Yeah didn't think so.
Since we weren't there, never witnessed it on screen so we can't know what his reaction was right after the fight so we can't compare a crime we've not seen to a crime we witnessed on screen.
And like I said before, the screenshot proved nothing, I remember the screenshot you showed me had Lee pin Lilly against the RV with Lilly looking at her right hand, she realized she was screwed because she lost of the group who will not be taking any orders from her. You may think Lee took longer but when he saw redemption, he took it while Lilly had her chance and you know what she does, she punishes the whole group, who did Lee punish after he was convicted?
And how did she do that? Random guesses.
Why don't you watch the scene again, she goes straight after Carley and starts hassling her. Yeah she tries to kill Ben in Doug's version but she kills Carley instead attempting to shoot Ben. I'm sure there was beef or that Lilly never liked Carley considering Lilly accuses her out of nowhere when she says nothing to Doug.
Lee reacted like any man would when finding out their wife was cheating on them. And like I said, if we weren't there, we don't know, Lee is not the only character capable of strangling a character to death, the stranger was close to doing it too if you fail to strangle him. We don't know if he wanted to kill the senator or not but we do know that Lilly intended to kill Carley/Ben. One thing I've notice about you Lilly fans is that you always bring up another characters "fuck up" to make a case for her but when you look at her crime alone, it's a disgusting crime committed by a heartless human being in a cold hearted manner. Lee committed manslaughter while Lilly committed murder.
So I suppose her shooting a valuable group member in cold blood and leaving her group to die was also her good intention?
I know. They can't take a joke.
I once threw a joke and they 'all' jumped on me. I feel you bro.
Except you have to remember that Lilly’s situation was pretty unique. In her case, trusted group members (in her eyes) betrayed her and murdered her father. And afterwards, not only could she not get any form of closure or revenge, said murdered bullied her for days on end with no signs of sympathy or apology. It makes perfect sense that she’d react with rage and paranoia. What I’m saying is that, regardless of whether or not her experiences were “worse”, her development as a result of them made perfect sense and can’t be compared with others’ experiences and their reactions to them.
Let’s not forget that in some scenarios, Kenny outright tells Lee “I’ll see you when you’re done” as he’s holding Ben. And of course, Kenny’s furious rage if Lee decides to save Ben doesn’t mean anything, right? In fact, I’d say what Kenny did there was even more despicable than Lilly’s murder because, not only was he encouraging someone else to do the killing for him so he could avoid guilt and blame, the death wish was far more pre-meditated than Lilly’s action, and Kenny was using Ben, a teenager, as a tool to avoid all the blame for his family’s death.
Never mind the fact that Ben had good intentions. Never mind the fact that the direct reason Duck got bit was because, instead of protecting his family, Kenny ran straight for the RV without sparing them a second thought. Never mind the fact that one reason Kat killed herself was because Kenny refused to give her emotional support when she needed it most.
Saying the only reason Kenny wanted Lee to drop Ben was because Ben asked him to is incredibly naïve. Of course, this doesn’t really relate to the Lilly discussion, just one wanted to point out that horrible situations make people do horrible things. Christa said it best: “They’re not invalids, they’re people. People who’ve been through shitty situations…”
Except that’s exactly what she was doing. “Dad, he’s just a boy” etc. is reasoning with him peacefully, is it not? And obviously that didn’t work.
Actually, I’ve never heard of Lilly bringing up Clem beforehand. How’d you get that to happen? Anyways, you have to remember that was only in your playthrough; in others’, Lilly’s only reason to bring up Clem was out of genuine concern. I also brought up the camera and hairbands because it's one of the few times a character besides Lee interacts with Clem, which is pretty significant. One of my complaints with S1 was that almost no one besides Lee ever even talks to Clem, and I find it hard to believe that it's an accident that Lilly interacts with Clem more than any other supporting character outside of Christa.
And her actions after such a climactic event as Carley/Doug’s murder isn’t an accurate portrayal of her entire character. As Katjaa said, she was “probably in shock” after doing such a monstrous thing. You seem dead certain that she abandoned them just because she’s a spiteful bitch, but the view that she left because she was a paranoid wreck by that point holds just as much water.
I thought the implication was that the RV had some food left, judging by the Banang. As for killing her; Kenny, the man who showed remorse for about a second and then spent the subsequent week bullying Lilly and/or Lee for trying to save Larry and rubbing the fact that he was a dead man into their faces. Not to mention Kenny left a girl to die in Macon. His actions may be justified, but Lilly had every right to expect no mercy from him.
Once again, Kenny’s and potentially Lee’s actions did not send her the message that they were giving her a second chance. Kenny’s ruthlessness up to that point, as well as potentially Lee’s. Makes sense that Lilly would think the group was bringing her along to punish her, not to redeem her. Not to mention Lee’s dialogue choice of “We’re gonna punish her” when Clem asks about her. It’s optional, but Lilly’s paranoia obviously wasn’t unfounded in that case.
My point was that the group simply going “How ya doing, champ?” was not enough at all. Lee’s attempts to console never go beyond a simple “How d’you do?” Which sucks, because she clearly could’ve used more help. And as for Kenny… he (understandably) mopes about his family for ages, and once again, his wanting to kill Ben…
Keep in mind that only people who absolutely hate Lilly would likely react like this. I’d think for other players, namely Lilly fans or people who’re on the fence about Lilly, this would be an interesting and difficult dilemma. Whatever you might think, I’m not really a big fan of Lilly. I pity her and think that her character is fascinating, not a cookie-cutter, morally pitch-black villain. But she sure as hell is not a favourite, or even liked, character (that honor goes to Clem, Lee, Christa, and Sarah :P )
What Lilly did was nothing compared to what the St Johns, The Governor, The Stranger, The Hunters, The Bandits, and Carver did. She killed someone without premeditation or thought, while the people you listed clearly knew what they were doing and didn’t regret it one bit (with the arguable exception of the Stranger). And once again, I don’t want her to return as a hero, that would be absolutely horrible. I just want her to return and her arc be given a satisfying conclusin. People who hate her can refuse to forgive her, and others can be given the option to move past what she did. I want to see how she’s evolved as a character since season 1, I want to see how she’d interact with Kenny once they realize how similar they are and that they’ve suffered the same things.
And when did Carver kill a person in the heat of the moment?
And thanks for the help with the quote boxes
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I understand what you mean, but the comics pull this shit all the time. I feel if there is a nice place that everyone is going to I would bet Lily would know and she'd be willing to give it a chance.
It was a full death scene and characters were in worse situations Comic Spoilers like Tyrese in the Gym. Kenny could of easily survived both situations.
Kirkman actually is doing really good with the comics did you read the All Out War arc? Hell the new arc seems awesome.
He looks better than before maybe a shave, but better.
He's Korean.
What's the problem?
Is that all Carley was to you?
"How dare Telltale not give me the option to sleep with this female character! I'm going to express my anger about this by taking it out on the other female character I was less likely to sleep with!"
You never give her a chance you fucking hand-cuff her, that doesn't seem like a "You just have to prove your forgiveness." It seems like a "Bitch you gonna pay when we find out what to do."