...a lot of people went into season 2 hoping for improvements but instead all we got is a bunch of button smashing and poor character develo… morepment...
Well if I could be honest, the so-called, "button mashing" gets me into the action. Carlos didn't really develop well as a character, but every other new character is great.
A sequel shouldnt be worst than than it's predecessor
The game's not even done yet, so don't just assume the worst.
In episode 1 you can tell Rebecca and Carlos to fuck off but in Episode 2 and 3 they love you.
Uh...what?
In episode 2 which is probably the only decent episode in this season your choice to save walter is futile as even when you sneak away and have kenny in your face you cant stop him from shooting.
There's a lot in Season One that you can't prevent from happening, but that's just how the story works.
Episode 3 was just not good a very rushed episode that tried to make up with it by thro… [view original content]
In Episode 1 you can threaten Rebecca about telling Alvin about the baby probably not being his and she gets pissed but in episode 2 and 3 you are her new BFF xD. As for Carlos he tells you to stay away from his daughter and that you are a Danger to the group if you tell him that Sarah needs to grow up but once again in Episode 2 and 3 he assigns you to be her Babysitter xD.
...a lot of people went into season 2 hoping for improvements but instead all we got is a bunch of button smashing and poor character develo… morepment...
Well if I could be honest, the so-called, "button mashing" gets me into the action. Carlos didn't really develop well as a character, but every other new character is great.
A sequel shouldnt be worst than than it's predecessor
The game's not even done yet, so don't just assume the worst.
In episode 1 you can tell Rebecca and Carlos to fuck off but in Episode 2 and 3 they love you.
Uh...what?
In episode 2 which is probably the only decent episode in this season your choice to save walter is futile as even when you sneak away and have kenny in your face you cant stop him from shooting.
There's a lot in Season One that you can't prevent from happening, but that's just how the story works.
Episode 3 was just not good a very rushed episode that tried to make up with it by thro… [view original content]
Uh... What?
In Episode 1 you can threaten Rebecca about telling Alvin about the baby probably not being his and she gets pissed but in ep… moreisode 2 and 3 you are her new BFF xD. As for Carlos he tells you to stay away from his daughter and that you are a Danger to the group if you tell him that Sarah needs to grow up but once again in Episode 2 and 3 he assigns you to be her Babysitter xD.
...a lot of people went into season 2 hoping for improvements but instead all we got is a bunch of button smashing and poor character develo… morepment...
Well if I could be honest, the so-called, "button mashing" gets me into the action. Carlos didn't really develop well as a character, but every other new character is great.
A sequel shouldnt be worst than than it's predecessor
The game's not even done yet, so don't just assume the worst.
In episode 1 you can tell Rebecca and Carlos to fuck off but in Episode 2 and 3 they love you.
Uh...what?
In episode 2 which is probably the only decent episode in this season your choice to save walter is futile as even when you sneak away and have kenny in your face you cant stop him from shooting.
There's a lot in Season One that you can't prevent from happening, but that's just how the story works.
Episode 3 was just not good a very rushed episode that tried to make up with it by thro… [view original content]
...a lot of people went into season 2 hoping for improvements but instead all we got is a bunch of button smashing and poor character develo… morepment...
Well if I could be honest, the so-called, "button mashing" gets me into the action. Carlos didn't really develop well as a character, but every other new character is great.
A sequel shouldnt be worst than than it's predecessor
The game's not even done yet, so don't just assume the worst.
In episode 1 you can tell Rebecca and Carlos to fuck off but in Episode 2 and 3 they love you.
Uh...what?
In episode 2 which is probably the only decent episode in this season your choice to save walter is futile as even when you sneak away and have kenny in your face you cant stop him from shooting.
There's a lot in Season One that you can't prevent from happening, but that's just how the story works.
Episode 3 was just not good a very rushed episode that tried to make up with it by thro… [view original content]
This is EXACTLY what I did before episode three came out. I had ridiculously high expectations, I saw the achievements and I read dozens of theories and it kinda ruined the episode for me. This time I have avoided any and all potential spoilers (including theories) and I only have one expectation, Eddie. I really want to see Eddie in episode 4. And I plan on trying to avoid the coming screenshots and the trailer until the episode is out.
This is EXACTLY what I did before episode three came out. I had ridiculously high expectations, I saw the achievements and I read dozens of … moretheories and it kinda ruined the episode for me. This time I have avoided any and all potential spoilers (including theories) and I only have one expectation, Eddie. I really want to see Eddie in episode 4. And I plan on trying to avoid the coming screenshots and the trailer until the episode is out.
I'm sure I don't have to tell any of you what's more important, in terms of entertainment. If the developers feel like they need to tell their story in 60-90 minutes, then that's how it should be. That's the rule of storytelling, and seeing as how you like reading fanfictions here and you critique them bit by bit, then you should know what I'm talking about.
As far as I know for both The Wolf Among Us and the Walking Dead Season Two, it helps them tell their story. Cramming an hour of pointless filler just so they can please a bunch of people who are complaining that they didn't get their daily 2-3 hour video game binge - and from one fucking fifth of a game mind you - just doesn't make any sense.
Their gameplay experience is supposed to be unique from other game companies. A way that can target casual players who don't like playing games for 6 hours straight. They decided, "Hey, maybe our games shouldn't be too long. Maybe we should find a way to keep players from losing interest and have them stay invested in the story." And it worked for a lot of newcomers (I assume anyways).
I can't change any of your minds and I understand that but let me just say this:
You guys are basically putting Telltale on the chopping block for something that won't be an issue to anyone who buys their recent games. If they actually half-ass their games and show little to know effort (I'm talking Sonic 06 effort), then I will understand the hate. But actually being genuinely upset about how long or short the story is when the developers put some goddamn effort into their work is like your teacher giving you a bad mark just because you wrote an 800 word essay when he/she asked for 1000; Well written, perfect spelling and grammar, you're arguments are clear, and you demonstrate knowledge on the subject. But to him/her, it doesn't matter because it wasn't as long.
I'm sure I don't have to tell any of you what's more important, in terms of entertainment. If the developers feel like they need to tell the… moreir story in 60-90 minutes, then that's how it should be. That's the rule of storytelling, and seeing as how you like reading fanfictions here and you critique them bit by bit, then you should know what I'm talking about.
As far as I know for both The Wolf Among Us and the Walking Dead Season Two, it helps them tell their story. Cramming an hour of pointless filler just so they can please a bunch of people who are complaining that they didn't get their daily 2-3 hour video game binge - and from one fucking fifth of a game mind you - just doesn't make any sense.
Their gameplay experience is supposed to be unique from other game companies. A way that can target casual players who don't like playing games for 6 hours straight. They decided, "Hey, maybe our games shouldn't be too long. Maybe we should fi… [view original content]
I'm sure I don't have to tell any of you what's more important, in terms of entertainment. If the developers feel like they need to tell the… moreir story in 60-90 minutes, then that's how it should be. That's the rule of storytelling, and seeing as how you like reading fanfictions here and you critique them bit by bit, then you should know what I'm talking about.
As far as I know for both The Wolf Among Us and the Walking Dead Season Two, it helps them tell their story. Cramming an hour of pointless filler just so they can please a bunch of people who are complaining that they didn't get their daily 2-3 hour video game binge - and from one fucking fifth of a game mind you - just doesn't make any sense.
Their gameplay experience is supposed to be unique from other game companies. A way that can target casual players who don't like playing games for 6 hours straight. They decided, "Hey, maybe our games shouldn't be too long. Maybe we should fi… [view original content]
Uhh.. Dude we are already half way through the Season and they still havent made me care or connect with any of the characters all i have known up to this point is that they were part of Carvers group and they escaped and got recaptured again and Rebecca has his kid. Oh actually i did learn something that they are worthless characters and the 2 Characters that i found a bit interesting got killed off in a snap Pete and Carver were the only Characters that if they would of kept alive would of been great for the series.
* Season Two's not finished yet.
* Are you sure? Carlos, Sarita and Luke I understand, but NO other character has developed in some way?
… more
Carver, Rebecca, Alvin, Pete, Nick, Walter, Kenny - hell, fucking Clementine - you're saying none of these people have any pesronality?
Uhh.. Dude we are already half way through the Season and they still havent made me care or connect with any of the characters all i have kn… moreown up to this point is that they were part of Carvers group and they escaped and got recaptured again and Rebecca has his kid. Oh actually i did learn something that they are worthless characters and the 2 Characters that i found a bit interesting got killed off in a snap Pete and Carver were the only Characters that if they would of kept alive would of been great for the series.
Character development doesn't always mean the character's history. Character development also depends on the character's personality, the character's relationship with others, etc. While a character's history is part of character development, there's really a lot more to it. So technically, these characters are a little more developed than you think.
Uhh.. Dude we are already half way through the Season and they still havent made me care or connect with any of the characters all i have kn… moreown up to this point is that they were part of Carvers group and they escaped and got recaptured again and Rebecca has his kid. Oh actually i did learn something that they are worthless characters and the 2 Characters that i found a bit interesting got killed off in a snap Pete and Carver were the only Characters that if they would of kept alive would of been great for the series.
Character development doesn't always mean the character's history. Character development also depends on the character's personality, the ch… morearacter's relationship with others, etc. While a character's history is part of character development, there's really a lot more to it. So technically, these characters are a little more developed than you think.
Character development doesn't always mean the character's history. Character development also depends on the character's personality, the ch… morearacter's relationship with others, etc. While a character's history is part of character development, there's really a lot more to it. So technically, these characters are a little more developed than you think.
You guys are basically putting Telltale on the chopping block
Nah, they're the ones putting stuff on the chopping block. :P
I can't change any of your minds
I wish I could, but then what a boring world this would be.
Cramming an hour of pointless filler
Depends on what you call "filler" I agree or not.
Their gameplay experience is supposed to be unique from other game companies. A way that can target casual players who don't like playing games for 6 hours straight.
Oooh, a six hour episode... that would be something to see. This targeting of a casual audience is understandable from a business perspective, but it means more often than not that the final product is diluted in one way or another. It's not always the case, but old fans of a series fear the stigma that words like "streamline" and "accessible" or "casual" carry. I don't know if Telltale had that in mind when approaching Season Two, but if so, I think it has been a mixed bag of successes and failures.
And it worked for a lot of newcomers (I assume anyways).
I assume, too. People sing praises for the two series everywhere I go.
That last analogy is something I can relate to. Using it, I would be a teacher who is flexible with the length of the essay, but still thought that 800 words essay did not cover everything I feel it should have.
I'm sure I don't have to tell any of you what's more important, in terms of entertainment. If the developers feel like they need to tell the… moreir story in 60-90 minutes, then that's how it should be. That's the rule of storytelling, and seeing as how you like reading fanfictions here and you critique them bit by bit, then you should know what I'm talking about.
As far as I know for both The Wolf Among Us and the Walking Dead Season Two, it helps them tell their story. Cramming an hour of pointless filler just so they can please a bunch of people who are complaining that they didn't get their daily 2-3 hour video game binge - and from one fucking fifth of a game mind you - just doesn't make any sense.
Their gameplay experience is supposed to be unique from other game companies. A way that can target casual players who don't like playing games for 6 hours straight. They decided, "Hey, maybe our games shouldn't be too long. Maybe we should fi… [view original content]
* Season Two's not finished yet.
* Are you sure? Carlos, Sarita and Luke I understand, but NO other character has developed in some way?
… more
Carver, Rebecca, Alvin, Pete, Nick, Walter, Kenny - hell, fucking Clementine - you're saying none of these people have any pesronality?
I seriously think that the characters' quality has diminished, as well as that of most of the gameplay and story gameplay mechanics.That of the basic storyline? I don't know, since it's tied to those things. As I have said before, I like the idea of the season and what the episodes were about, but [Insert rant about execution]. Oh, but the shooting in A House Divided was a step up from last season.
The quality is there. You're just pissy because the episodes aren't as needlessly long as they were in Season One.
You care about quantity. NOT quality. Know the difference.
Hopefully Telltale surprises me just like they did with A House Divided. I remember feeling a bit off, or maybe disappointed with All That Remains, and that caused me to expect the same from Episode 2, so I didn't go into Episode 2 with high expectations, but it ended up being my favorite episode to date. Right now, I'm not expecting anything good because the whole list of achievements and teaser for it doesn't really hype me. Come on Telltale, surprise me!
I think this season is fine so far. I love it... And for the people who think the quality and excitement ( I guess ) is not there, you also gotta think about the whole story itself. It's been about... I'll say like 2 years since the outbreak so people are getting use to surviving against zombies ya know. What I'm basically saying is TellTale probably has its reasons of why they made it how it is. One more thing, it is better to not view these forms and trailers for these episodes just so you really DON'T know what to expect. But people do anyway because they can't resist
I've had my problems with Season 2, the length was never the biggest one for me though. The lack of interactivity is.
Episode 1 and 2 had very little interactions too now, but I did like those brief moments where I got to walk around and talk to someone. Episode 3 even had that cut down a huge margin with only one moment where you can walk freely (and let's not forget it can be very brief). Not only that, but the 400 Days characters were handled terribly. I'm pretty sure most of you guys can agree on that one.
I'm fairly confident the series can pick itself back up, as I loved A House Divided and (I'm probably going to get downvotes for saying this) All That Remains. If they're back up to that quality I'll be happy enough. But I wish Telltale would put in puzzles and the like in their games again, the first season done them excellently.
I've had my problems with Season 2, the length was never the biggest one for me though. The lack of interactivity is.
Episode 1 and 2 had… more very little interactions too now, but I did like those brief moments where I got to walk around and talk to someone. Episode 3 even had that cut down a huge margin with only one moment where you can walk freely (and let's not forget it can be very brief). Not only that, but the 400 Days characters were handled terribly. I'm pretty sure most of you guys can agree on that one.
I'm fairly confident the series can pick itself back up, as I loved A House Divided and (I'm probably going to get downvotes for saying this) All That Remains. If they're back up to that quality I'll be happy enough. But I wish Telltale would put in puzzles and the like in their games again, the first season done them excellently.
Comments
sounds like you know what you're talking about
Uh... What?
In Episode 1 you can threaten Rebecca about telling Alvin about the baby probably not being his and she gets pissed but in episode 2 and 3 you are her new BFF xD. As for Carlos he tells you to stay away from his daughter and that you are a Danger to the group if you tell him that Sarah needs to grow up but once again in Episode 2 and 3 he assigns you to be her Babysitter xD.
yea rebecca threatens you first i believe and she says she's sorry about it in episode 2.
in a world like this where people are so needed you can't afford to stay mad at people.
Quality over Quantity Tyler? I have the answer
As for not being able to save Characters in Season 1 I'll give you that.
Let's see how many down votes I'll get today
This is EXACTLY what I did before episode three came out. I had ridiculously high expectations, I saw the achievements and I read dozens of theories and it kinda ruined the episode for me. This time I have avoided any and all potential spoilers (including theories) and I only have one expectation, Eddie. I really want to see Eddie in episode 4. And I plan on trying to avoid the coming screenshots and the trailer until the episode is out.
Yea it happens.
I want to see Eddie as well. I didn't connect with him much because 400 days is a fast dlc but I'll play again to try to connect.
I'm sure I don't have to tell any of you what's more important, in terms of entertainment. If the developers feel like they need to tell their story in 60-90 minutes, then that's how it should be. That's the rule of storytelling, and seeing as how you like reading fanfictions here and you critique them bit by bit, then you should know what I'm talking about.
As far as I know for both The Wolf Among Us and the Walking Dead Season Two, it helps them tell their story. Cramming an hour of pointless filler just so they can please a bunch of people who are complaining that they didn't get their daily 2-3 hour video game binge - and from one fucking fifth of a game mind you - just doesn't make any sense.
Their gameplay experience is supposed to be unique from other game companies. A way that can target casual players who don't like playing games for 6 hours straight. They decided, "Hey, maybe our games shouldn't be too long. Maybe we should find a way to keep players from losing interest and have them stay invested in the story." And it worked for a lot of newcomers (I assume anyways).
I can't change any of your minds and I understand that but let me just say this:
You guys are basically putting Telltale on the chopping block for something that won't be an issue to anyone who buys their recent games. If they actually half-ass their games and show little to know effort (I'm talking Sonic 06 effort), then I will understand the hate. But actually being genuinely upset about how long or short the story is when the developers put some goddamn effort into their work is like your teacher giving you a bad mark just because you wrote an 800 word essay when he/she asked for 1000; Well written, perfect spelling and grammar, you're arguments are clear, and you demonstrate knowledge on the subject. But to him/her, it doesn't matter because it wasn't as long.
thank you so much. you really get it you do.
you should post that as your own thread or shit i'll do it for you if your cool with it either way the people need to hear that.
This is off-topic but i find it funny that when someone has something good to say about Season 2 they get down votes...just saying....
yea sadly true...
Bro there is little to no character development in Season 2 so clearly theres a problem.
yea that is a problem.
Dude xD you have me dying who's side you on?
Season Two's not finished yet.
Are you sure? Carlos, Sarita and Luke I understand, but NO other character has developed in some way?
Carver, Rebecca, Alvin, Pete, Nick, Walter, Kenny - hell, fucking Clementine - you're saying none of these people have any pesronality?
my own. i stay neutral. but tyler's killing you a little bit. he 's bringing up good points man.
Uhh.. Dude we are already half way through the Season and they still havent made me care or connect with any of the characters all i have known up to this point is that they were part of Carvers group and they escaped and got recaptured again and Rebecca has his kid. Oh actually i did learn something that they are worthless characters and the 2 Characters that i found a bit interesting got killed off in a snap Pete and Carver were the only Characters that if they would of kept alive would of been great for the series.
Oh well. I see the characters differently but if you can't seem to like them, I'm not gonna change your mind.
Same to you bro.
Character development doesn't always mean the character's history. Character development also depends on the character's personality, the character's relationship with others, etc. While a character's history is part of character development, there's really a lot more to it. So technically, these characters are a little more developed than you think.
This discussion is going well.
Nice to see another user understanding what character development is.
Nah, they're the ones putting stuff on the chopping block. :P
I wish I could, but then what a boring world this would be.
Depends on what you call "filler" I agree or not.
Oooh, a six hour episode... that would be something to see. This targeting of a casual audience is understandable from a business perspective, but it means more often than not that the final product is diluted in one way or another. It's not always the case, but old fans of a series fear the stigma that words like "streamline" and "accessible" or "casual" carry. I don't know if Telltale had that in mind when approaching Season Two, but if so, I think it has been a mixed bag of successes and failures.
I assume, too. People sing praises for the two series everywhere I go.
That last analogy is something I can relate to. Using it, I would be a teacher who is flexible with the length of the essay, but still thought that 800 words essay did not cover everything I feel it should have.
The basic, yes, I would say.
I seriously think that the characters' quality has diminished, as well as that of most of the gameplay and story gameplay mechanics.That of the basic storyline? I don't know, since it's tied to those things. As I have said before, I like the idea of the season and what the episodes were about, but [Insert rant about execution]. Oh, but the shooting in A House Divided was a step up from last season.
Hopefully Telltale surprises me just like they did with A House Divided. I remember feeling a bit off, or maybe disappointed with All That Remains, and that caused me to expect the same from Episode 2, so I didn't go into Episode 2 with high expectations, but it ended up being my favorite episode to date. Right now, I'm not expecting anything good because the whole list of achievements and teaser for it doesn't really hype me. Come on Telltale, surprise me!
this is good discussion. i'm proud of it.
I think this season is fine so far. I love it... And for the people who think the quality and excitement ( I guess ) is not there, you also gotta think about the whole story itself. It's been about... I'll say like 2 years since the outbreak so people are getting use to surviving against zombies ya know. What I'm basically saying is TellTale probably has its reasons of why they made it how it is. One more thing, it is better to not view these forms and trailers for these episodes just so you really DON'T know what to expect. But people do anyway because they can't resist
Clap clap clap clap
Nice to see some people haven't lost it because they don't have that extra 30 minutes.
Day three. How many downvotes can I get?
Going up
I've had my problems with Season 2, the length was never the biggest one for me though. The lack of interactivity is.
Episode 1 and 2 had very little interactions too now, but I did like those brief moments where I got to walk around and talk to someone. Episode 3 even had that cut down a huge margin with only one moment where you can walk freely (and let's not forget it can be very brief). Not only that, but the 400 Days characters were handled terribly. I'm pretty sure most of you guys can agree on that one.
I'm fairly confident the series can pick itself back up, as I loved A House Divided and (I'm probably going to get downvotes for saying this) All That Remains. If they're back up to that quality I'll be happy enough. But I wish Telltale would put in puzzles and the like in their games again, the first season done them excellently.
Bumping is frowned upon.
Yea but season 2 isn't over yet so you never know.
with episode 4 around the corner ( no pun) i thought it would be good to bring this back up