'City mouse', 'Kid', 'Darlin'... they're all really adorable parental/sibling like names for Clem. Warms my heart knowing Clem's in a group with what I consider to be good people :P - Well except for Jane... not sure about her yet.
I always liked her. I didn't hate her after playing Episode 2--I figured, considering this was Carver, he had taken advantage of her trustin… moreg nature and manipulated her, which turned out to be true. She was a good person caught in a bad situation and she more than redeemed herself in Episode 3.
I love Bonnie a lot and I really look forward to seeing her in Episode 4.
(Did anyone else think it was really cute how she called Clementine "city mouse"? Because I found that just adorable honestly)
What exactly she could do there? Betraying Carver was too risky, she wasn´t sure if it was worth abdicating the comfort of Carver´s camp yet. There are situations that you are just powerless to do anything about it.
It is a similar situation to Kenny´s beating, you tried to help him and got smacked, right? See? That just made things worse for you. Oh actually you didn´t and restrained Sarita instead? How could you just let your friend keep being punched to death?
Bonnie´s case was more selfish, yeah, but that is survival instinct, you can´t blame it.
One thing i think is notable is at the end the 400 days people are not on the roof i looked at all the faces up there and not one was them we might see them again
I didn't really like her too much for what she did in A House Divided, but In 203 I think warmed up to her and appreciated that she was going to help the group escape. Made be feel bad about not telling her about the radio ;-;
My clementine is a realist and knows that whatever she does it must be humane, but she dislikes bonnie. She has to keep a tough reputation for the people in Howe? She hates fakers. And back at the lodge when the first guy got shot. She could have easily shot Troy in the head and Carver in the back. And she just played the damn role and watched Walter and determinant Alvin die. I told Ken not to shoot because i knew Carver had a list full of people he could take down back there. But Kenny shot and thankfully he stopped at the second. Walter, the hopeful and wise man could have been saved.
So sorry if im offensive.
Fuck Bonnie, Christa and Kenny all the way. I never was comfortable with the cabin group and i'll tell them off whenever I have to.
I guess, I'm also in a minority here, but I still don't like Bonnie - actually, I despise her a bit. She's still one to blame for the whole situation at the Ski Lounge: as we know, she had initially wanted to escape Carver's camp at the first attempt - with the rest of the group, but as she later said herself, she "chickened out". And why would she have wanted to escape, is she hadn't already had suspicions about Carver and his "management style"? As we know, that was the main reason for the others to escape. So, she wanted to escape Carver, but still, later, she's still being his goon - and when she found Rebecca and others at the Ski Lounge, she informed Carver immediately - even though she KNEW, why they run away in the first place. And I can't really explain that - well, maybe only by her fear. But still, when she saw Carver beating Carver, or killing Alvin (determinately) - people she had once wanted to run away with - she did nothing (though having AK in hands). So, in my personal opinion Bonnie is still responsible for Walt's, Alvin's and Carlos's deaths. I won't shoot her given the gun, but if there'll be a choice of saving her or someone else, I won't choose her. .
We don't know the real reason as to why she wanted to leave in the first place. Since it's implied that she likes Luke, I'm gonna go ahead with that and say she wanted to go with them because of her feelings towards him, but chickened out when she realized that she should be putting her safety first. Like she said, Carver wasn't always like that. He could have treated her differently towards the others.
when she found Rebecca and others at the Ski Lounge, she informed Carver immediately
To her, the real plan wasn't to get anyone killed. You saw how she felt incredible guilt and kept apologizing to Clementine in the armoury. Also, she thought that she could control it. Bring everyone back, nice and safely. But that, sadly, isn't what happened.
It's not that I don't respect your opinion, it's just that I disagree and find it a little harsh about what you're saying. But that's totally fine since it's your opinion. I think that you need to keep in mind, that once Bonnie had seen what Carver was doing to Kenny, she immediately stopped him.
That whole Carlos being beaten on, Walter and Alvin's (determinate) death? That wasn't Bonnie's fault. She didn't know that Kenny was going to start shooting people. What Carver did is what anyone would have done, and like Bonnie said "Kenny could have killed us all." Which he could have.
I guess, I'm also in a minority here, but I still don't like Bonnie - actually, I despise her a bit. She's still one to blame for the whole … moresituation at the Ski Lounge: as we know, she had initially wanted to escape Carver's camp at the first attempt - with the rest of the group, but as she later said herself, she "chickened out". And why would she have wanted to escape, is she hadn't already had suspicions about Carver and his "management style"? As we know, that was the main reason for the others to escape. So, she wanted to escape Carver, but still, later, she's still being his goon - and when she found Rebecca and others at the Ski Lounge, she informed Carver immediately - even though she KNEW, why they run away in the first place. And I can't really explain that - well, maybe only by her fear. But still, when she saw Carver beating Carver, or killing Alvin (determinately) - people she had once wanted to run away with - she did nothing (t… [view original content]
Powerless? Did you see the gun she had? The time frame from when she discovered the group until Carver's group's appearance? Hardly powerless. Selfish, weak, courage less maybe, but not powerless.
What exactly she could do there? Betraying Carver was too risky, she wasn´t sure if it was worth abdicating the comfort of Carver´s camp yet… more. There are situations that you are just powerless to do anything about it.
It is a similar situation to Kenny´s beating, you tried to help him and got smacked, right? See? That just made things worse for you. Oh actually you didn´t and restrained Sarita instead? How could you just let your friend keep being punched to death?
Bonnie´s case was more selfish, yeah, but that is survival instinct, you can´t blame it.
Good point - you've actually spoken all the positive thoughts about Bonnie I have in my mind. And, yes, her eagerness to stop Carver from beating Kenny, rehabilitated her a bit in my eyes. Still, the change in her actions from willing to escape Carver and, later, helping him is too odd for me to accept. The only things to explain it seems that her original ideas of running off were connected with her Luke - as you've pointed out - and later she acted because of fear and willingness to have a group - "people, who can take care of her, if she let them". She's very dependent on others, often lacking her own spur for action.
And, yet, I can't file away in storage her responsibility for what happened with Walt and others. She should have considered better what Carver would do to them - anyway, how did she even justify the whole chase for the cabin group? A revenge for George's death, probably - but is that a reason for keeping those, who hadn't been there at that time - including a little girl - at a gunpoint?
And as for "Kenny could have killed us all" - well, I've never been even close to being Kenny-fan, but his action were more than justified. It's Carver's group who began the whole hostaging and torturing thing.
We don't know the real reason as to why she wanted to leave in the first place. Since it's implied that she likes Luke, I'm gonna go ahead w… moreith that and say she wanted to go with them because of her feelings towards him, but chickened out when she realized that she should be putting her safety first. Like she said, Carver wasn't always like that. He could have treated her differently towards the others.
when she found Rebecca and others at the Ski Lounge, she informed Carver immediately
To her, the real plan wasn't to get anyone killed. You saw how she felt incredible guilt and kept apologizing to Clementine in the armoury. Also, she thought that she could control it. Bring everyone back, nice and safely. But that, sadly, isn't what happened.
It's not that I don't respect your opinion, it's just that I disagree and find it a little harsh about what you're saying. But that's totally fine since it's your opinion. I think that y… [view original content]
Nah, it's good. I mean, almost no one likes Rebecca and Nick and they still added a lot to the experience. A lot of people didn't like Lilly/Larry back in season 1. It's actually good for the game to include characters you don't like in the group. I just wish devs will give us the chance to confront her.
I liked her in 400 Days, but I'm still iffy on her after her actions in episode 2 and then having to listen to her spout Carver Kool-Aid in episode 3 before she finally gets a clue. Like, gee, it only took a minimum of 2 deaths and a guy nearly being beaten to death before she decided enough was enough? Gold star, Bonnie.
If she keeps on this current path though, I may warm up to her again.
She's an awesome character and I never hated her in S2E2, you could tell by how she talked and how she looked she didnt feel good about what she was doing and i knew she was going to redeem herself, shes so thoughtful too, especially towards Clementine, if you don't tell her about Reggies death she says shes going to go and try to get Carver to give you easier work
My clementine is a realist and knows that whatever she does it must be humane, but she dislikes bonnie. She has to keep a tough reputation f… moreor the people in Howe? She hates fakers. And back at the lodge when the first guy got shot. She could have easily shot Troy in the head and Carver in the back. And she just played the damn role and watched Walter and determinant Alvin die. I told Ken not to shoot because i knew Carver had a list full of people he could take down back there. But Kenny shot and thankfully he stopped at the second. Walter, the hopeful and wise man could have been saved.
So sorry if im offensive.
Fuck Bonnie, Christa and Kenny all the way. I never was comfortable with the cabin group and i'll tell them off whenever I have to.
Bonnie is just another character for me,she's ok,and there seems to be some connection with her that she had a little girl or wanted one,as she is nice to Clem but that's it. It's the same thing with Jane,as if she has been put there to connect to,im not feeling it.
Where Bonnie is concerned. Never trust a junkie, or even an ex junkie. In my experience they will lie, cheat and steal just to get what they want and it never stops.
She is with Clementines group, simply because she saw which way the wind was blowing and knew she better back the winning side.
Watch this space. She will betray others again.
Why generalize everyone who's used drugs? That's a pretty large group of people... and why act like they're a different species? They are just people who got involved with a very unhealthy habit. That doesn't make them a bad person. Some people use drugs as a way to forget their troubles and what hurts them, ain't no shame in that.
Where Bonnie is concerned. Never trust a junkie, or even an ex junkie. In my experience they will lie, cheat and steal just to get what they… more want and it never stops.
She is with Clementines group, simply because she saw which way the wind was blowing and knew she better back the winning side.
Watch this space. She will betray others again.
Man, she just wouldn´t betray Carver and kill him and his men just because of Walter´s kindness, her own survival comes first and it is directly related to be in good terms with Carver and staying in his camp. When she was caught scouting she was already in middle of it, she had a job to be done. She felt bad for having them captured, but at the point she led Carver´s group to them, she didn´t expect anyone to die, especially Walter. The time frame you are talking about has nothing to do with Walter´s death, only having them captured. Kenny´s intervention was another event that was unexpected and led to Walter get killed.
Powerless? Did you see the gun she had? The time frame from when she discovered the group until Carver's group's appearance? Hardly powerless. Selfish, weak, courage less maybe, but not powerless.
Where Bonnie is concerned. Never trust a junkie, or even an ex junkie. In my experience they will lie, cheat and steal just to get what they… more want and it never stops.
She is with Clementines group, simply because she saw which way the wind was blowing and knew she better back the winning side.
Watch this space. She will betray others again.
Why generalize everyone who's used drugs? That's a pretty large group of people... and why act like they're a different species? They are ju… morest people who got involved with a very unhealthy habit. That doesn't make them a bad person. Some people use drugs as a way to forget their troubles and what hurts them, ain't no shame in that.
Bonnie's awesome. She's warm, capable and compassionate. She doesn't have the finest of judgement but she has an innate decency that I quite like. I don't think she'll survive this Season, but I'm sure hoping she does.
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'City mouse', 'Kid', 'Darlin'... they're all really adorable parental/sibling like names for Clem. Warms my heart knowing Clem's in a group with what I consider to be good people :P - Well except for Jane... not sure about her yet.
What exactly she could do there? Betraying Carver was too risky, she wasn´t sure if it was worth abdicating the comfort of Carver´s camp yet. There are situations that you are just powerless to do anything about it.
It is a similar situation to Kenny´s beating, you tried to help him and got smacked, right? See? That just made things worse for you. Oh actually you didn´t and restrained Sarita instead? How could you just let your friend keep being punched to death?
Bonnie´s case was more selfish, yeah, but that is survival instinct, you can´t blame it.
YAY you're back!!!
be careful with traitors who knows where there true localities lie
One thing i think is notable is at the end the 400 days people are not on the roof i looked at all the faces up there and not one was them we might see them again
My clementine is a realist and knows that whatever she does it must be humane, but she dislikes bonnie. She has to keep a tough reputation for the people in Howe? She hates fakers. And back at the lodge when the first guy got shot. She could have easily shot Troy in the head and Carver in the back. And she just played the damn role and watched Walter and determinant Alvin die. I told Ken not to shoot because i knew Carver had a list full of people he could take down back there. But Kenny shot and thankfully he stopped at the second. Walter, the hopeful and wise man could have been saved.
So sorry if im offensive.
Fuck Bonnie, Christa and Kenny all the way. I never was comfortable with the cabin group and i'll tell them off whenever I have to.
I guess, I'm also in a minority here, but I still don't like Bonnie - actually, I despise her a bit. She's still one to blame for the whole situation at the Ski Lounge: as we know, she had initially wanted to escape Carver's camp at the first attempt - with the rest of the group, but as she later said herself, she "chickened out". And why would she have wanted to escape, is she hadn't already had suspicions about Carver and his "management style"? As we know, that was the main reason for the others to escape. So, she wanted to escape Carver, but still, later, she's still being his goon - and when she found Rebecca and others at the Ski Lounge, she informed Carver immediately - even though she KNEW, why they run away in the first place. And I can't really explain that - well, maybe only by her fear. But still, when she saw Carver beating Carver, or killing Alvin (determinately) - people she had once wanted to run away with - she did nothing (though having AK in hands). So, in my personal opinion Bonnie is still responsible for Walt's, Alvin's and Carlos's deaths. I won't shoot her given the gun, but if there'll be a choice of saving her or someone else, I won't choose her. .
I never hated her to begin with, actually. I already knew what type of person Bonnie was, so I knew she was reluctantly doing it.
We don't know the real reason as to why she wanted to leave in the first place. Since it's implied that she likes Luke, I'm gonna go ahead with that and say she wanted to go with them because of her feelings towards him, but chickened out when she realized that she should be putting her safety first. Like she said, Carver wasn't always like that. He could have treated her differently towards the others.
To her, the real plan wasn't to get anyone killed. You saw how she felt incredible guilt and kept apologizing to Clementine in the armoury. Also, she thought that she could control it. Bring everyone back, nice and safely. But that, sadly, isn't what happened.
It's not that I don't respect your opinion, it's just that I disagree and find it a little harsh about what you're saying. But that's totally fine since it's your opinion. I think that you need to keep in mind, that once Bonnie had seen what Carver was doing to Kenny, she immediately stopped him.
That whole Carlos being beaten on, Walter and Alvin's (determinate) death? That wasn't Bonnie's fault. She didn't know that Kenny was going to start shooting people. What Carver did is what anyone would have done, and like Bonnie said "Kenny could have killed us all." Which he could have.
Powerless? Did you see the gun she had? The time frame from when she discovered the group until Carver's group's appearance? Hardly powerless. Selfish, weak, courage less maybe, but not powerless.
Good point - you've actually spoken all the positive thoughts about Bonnie I have in my mind. And, yes, her eagerness to stop Carver from beating Kenny, rehabilitated her a bit in my eyes. Still, the change in her actions from willing to escape Carver and, later, helping him is too odd for me to accept. The only things to explain it seems that her original ideas of running off were connected with her Luke - as you've pointed out - and later she acted because of fear and willingness to have a group - "people, who can take care of her, if she let them". She's very dependent on others, often lacking her own spur for action.
And, yet, I can't file away in storage her responsibility for what happened with Walt and others. She should have considered better what Carver would do to them - anyway, how did she even justify the whole chase for the cabin group? A revenge for George's death, probably - but is that a reason for keeping those, who hadn't been there at that time - including a little girl - at a gunpoint?
And as for "Kenny could have killed us all" - well, I've never been even close to being Kenny-fan, but his action were more than justified. It's Carver's group who began the whole hostaging and torturing thing.
I couldn't force myself to tell her that I wasn't really keen on the puffy rainbow jacket. So I told her I liked it.
I guess if I'm willing to tell a little white lie just to stop myself from hurting her feelings, then I must like her xD
Nah, it's good. I mean, almost no one likes Rebecca and Nick and they still added a lot to the experience. A lot of people didn't like Lilly/Larry back in season 1. It's actually good for the game to include characters you don't like in the group. I just wish devs will give us the chance to confront her.
I still hate her
my Clem is just using her
I liked her in 400 Days, but I'm still iffy on her after her actions in episode 2 and then having to listen to her spout Carver Kool-Aid in episode 3 before she finally gets a clue. Like, gee, it only took a minimum of 2 deaths and a guy nearly being beaten to death before she decided enough was enough? Gold star, Bonnie.
If she keeps on this current path though, I may warm up to her again.
She's an awesome character and I never hated her in S2E2, you could tell by how she talked and how she looked she didnt feel good about what she was doing and i knew she was going to redeem herself, shes so thoughtful too, especially towards Clementine, if you don't tell her about Reggies death she says shes going to go and try to get Carver to give you easier work
She saw Carver as a friend and was still holding on to what humanity he might have had left... but of course she was fooled by it, and she noticed it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFnYnx-iHpo&app=desktop
LOL, Only "professional" wrestlin would give people the idears of domestic violence.
Funny.
Bonnie is just another character for me,she's ok,and there seems to be some connection with her that she had a little girl or wanted one,as she is nice to Clem but that's it. It's the same thing with Jane,as if she has been put there to connect to,im not feeling it.
I like her, but I'm still not over the time she lied to me. Lying bitch, I didn't see no girl of yours at the mall.
Where Bonnie is concerned. Never trust a junkie, or even an ex junkie. In my experience they will lie, cheat and steal just to get what they want and it never stops.
She is with Clementines group, simply because she saw which way the wind was blowing and knew she better back the winning side.
Watch this space. She will betray others again.
Why generalize everyone who's used drugs? That's a pretty large group of people... and why act like they're a different species? They are just people who got involved with a very unhealthy habit. That doesn't make them a bad person. Some people use drugs as a way to forget their troubles and what hurts them, ain't no shame in that.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
I've always liked Bonnie! In episode 2 I could tell she felt guilty about what she was doing but was powerless to stop it.
I was never on the "Bonnie is a traitorous junky" Bandwagon.
I always thought that she was in the wrong place at the wrong time
Man, she just wouldn´t betray Carver and kill him and his men just because of Walter´s kindness, her own survival comes first and it is directly related to be in good terms with Carver and staying in his camp. When she was caught scouting she was already in middle of it, she had a job to be done. She felt bad for having them captured, but at the point she led Carver´s group to them, she didn´t expect anyone to die, especially Walter. The time frame you are talking about has nothing to do with Walter´s death, only having them captured. Kenny´s intervention was another event that was unexpected and led to Walter get killed.
Fair point. I personally didn't bring the fact that she used drugs into the argument, but I was quite pissed at her.
Momentarily stops chugging a bottle of skooma Hmmp? ...fuuuuuuuuck...
We self medicate! Thanks for understanding.
This "junky" has bank, never needed to steal a dime.
I was never angry at her. I try to never jump to conclusions on anything. Remember what a lot of people thought of the cabin group after episode 1?
It's my habit to try to understand. And good! I'm glad you're proving the stereotypes and misconceptions wrong! :P
She's become a likable character, yes. You know what that means, she's become a huge target for Telltale to give a tragic death to.
I feel the same way!
Bonnie's awesome. She's warm, capable and compassionate. She doesn't have the finest of judgement but she has an innate decency that I quite like. I don't think she'll survive this Season, but I'm sure hoping she does.