Now that's not necessarily true, there was always more fanboyism about Kenny than Luke and that fiction was made anyways. It was just about the fact that Luke is more conventionally attractive than Kenny.
The Boatmaster is my favourite character in the TWD right now. I think it's a good thing there're less Kenny fans on this forum, or he'll be subject to disturbing fan fiction a.k.a Cluke.
I'm saying it's a shame that there isn't many people who like his character more. I didn't say anything bad about Luke fans, just saying that there is more hate for Kenny than usual, Jesus.
As others mentioned, I think it's a combination of some bannings of vocal Kenny fans, the general fatigue people have developed for the more excessive elements of his fandom, and I think even some people that generally like him have agreed his presence in S2 has created problems (and I think the handwaved, fanservicey nature of his survival in general still irks some people too).
It just feels increasingly like the character has run his course, imo, and it's being reflected in board trends.
Of course there are going to be Kenny-haters. Just like how there are Lilly-haters but we know there are those who liked her. Personally, I like Kenny.
Oh, I forgot. With that point taken on board, here's my post mark II, now with extra sass.
'People who like Lilly and don't like Kenny ar… moree illogical' - gentlemen and gentlewomen, I present to you the exact kind of Kenny fan boy that nearly everyone around here finds annoying.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Just because people disagree with you does NOT mean their opinion is less valid, and it does NOT mean they are stupid.
Kenny fans got obnoxious. Even if some, or most, were decent, respectful people, a lot were plain annoying. They invented that Kenny vs Luke bullshit (as you can see in this thread's first comment) and put Kenny on a pedestal, denying he ever did anything wrong or questionable. I think most people here like Kenny and his new-found awesomeness, like I do, but like (or at least don't viciously hate) Luke and can admit that he has flaws and can screw up. Personally, I got pretty sick of the more "hard-core" Kenny fans. I liked the beard and 'stache jokes, but somewhere along the way things got stupid. As in, really stupid.
Oh, good point. With that taken on board, here's my post mark III, now with extra sass and extra conjunctions, bolded for your viewing pleasure:
'People who like Lilly or don't like Kenny are illogical' - gentlemen and gentlewomen, I present to you the exact kind of Kenny fan boy that nearly everyone around here finds annoying.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Just because people disagree with you does NOT mean their opinion is less valid, and it does NOT mean they are stupid.
Oh, good point. With that taken on board, here's my post mark III, now with extra sass and extra conjunctions, bolded for your viewing pleas… moreure:
'People who like Lilly or don't like Kenny are illogical' - gentlemen and gentlewomen, I present to you the exact kind of Kenny fan boy that nearly everyone around here finds annoying.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Just because people disagree with you does NOT mean their opinion is less valid, and it does NOT mean they are stupid.
Of course there are going to be Kenny-haters. Just like how there are Lilly-haters but we know there are those who liked her. Personally, I like Kenny.
Well, that just ends up the same as my top one as it's logical that those who like Lilly are less likely to like Kenny.
It doesn't change the fact that saying people who aren't a particular fan of Lilly and don't like Kenny are illogical is really obnoxious and stupid.
Hence:
Gentlemen and gentlewomen, I present to you the exact kind of Kenny fan boy that nearly everyone around here finds annoying.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Just because people disagree with you does NOT mean their opinion is less valid, and it does NOT mean they are stupid.
I'm saying it's a shame that there isn't many people who like his character more. I didn't say anything bad about Luke fans, just saying that there is more hate for Kenny than usual, Jesus.
I'd definitely say most, most Kenny fans are really awesome, just like fans of pretty much everyone in this game.
It's just a few of them ruined our perception of the group as a whole, unfortunately.
I disagree vehemently with your strong assumption that 'most people here like Kenny', however. Judging by recent posts and thumb ups and thumb downs I'd say that certainly isn't true. It seems to be pretty even, if not leaning to be generally anti-Kenny.
Kenny fans got obnoxious. Even if some, or most, were decent, respectful people, a lot were plain annoying. They invented that Kenny vs Luke… more bullshit (as you can see in this thread's first comment) and put Kenny on a pedestal, denying he ever did anything wrong or questionable. I think most people here like Kenny and his new-found awesomeness, like I do, but like (or at least don't viciously hate) Luke and can admit that he has flaws and can screw up. Personally, I got pretty sick of the more "hard-core" Kenny fans. I liked the beard and 'stache jokes, but somewhere along the way things got stupid. As in, really stupid.
I'm actually surprised so many people like Kenny.
I've always liked him but, I recall these forums back when season 1 was still incomplet… moree, people used to HATE him.
Like, there were Kenny hate threads everywhere.
Then as soon as Season 1 ended everyone became a Kenny lover. I never quite understood what happened.
I did read. In fact I read rather well, hence me having done Classics at university.
Anywho, I'm asking why it's a shame that there *aren't many people who like his character more.
Why is the idea that more people don't like him so disagreeable? Is it just because you like him and want to feel that other people feel the same way so that you're more secure in your view and are in the majority?
Can you learn to read please?
I'm saying it's a shame that there isn't many people who like his character more. I didn't say anything bad about Luke fans, just saying that there is more hate for Kenny than usual, Jesus.
Not really, I'm in a minority with most of my views in all honesty so I know what the situation feels like.
The fact what I find so disagreeable is that his character isn't half bad, he took blows to the face to ensure Clem's safety, he's been through hell and back just because he tried to save a kid that got his family killed. He's actually a nice guy, its also the fact that whenever anything good is said about him it's just shot down with down votes and nothing to back them up. That is from Luke fans most the time. It just gets on my nerves.
I did read. In fact I read rather well, hence me having done Classics at university.
Anywho, I'm asking why it's a shame that there *aren… more't many people who like his character more.
Why is the idea that more people don't like him so disagreeable? Is it just because you like him and want to feel that other people feel the same way so that you're more secure in your view and are in the majority?
(Also, I'm sorry but my inner grammar nerd/nazi can't let this go: it's 'fewer' Kenny fans, not less.
A helpful way to remember this is you say 'less' with things you can't count, e.g. salt or sand. You can't have '1 salt' or '1 sand'. You say 'fewer' with things you can count, e.g. mice or rocks. You can have 'one mouse' or 'one rock'.
Hence, it would be 'less sand' and 'fewer mice', and since we can count Kenny fans, it would be 'fewer Kenny fans'
Well, I've always been a Kenny fan, but I've never been the one who spammed gifs all over the forums, even if I did find these jokes funny.
I like Kenny as a character, I do recognize he has his flaws, because no character/human being actually is flawless.
I don't have a quarrel with Lilly or Luke fans, either (for most part). The only person who was "anti-Kenny" that I completely loathed was S****di, but, thankfully, she's gone, and I don't see her around Youtube much, either.
Not really, I'm in a minority with most of my views in all honesty so I know what the situation feels like.
The fact what I find so disag… morereeable is that his character isn't half bad, he took blows to the face to ensure Clem's safety, he's been through hell and back just because he tried to save a kid that got his family killed. He's actually a nice guy, its also the fact that whenever anything good is said about him it's just shot down with down votes and nothing to back them up. That is from Luke fans most the time. It just gets on my nerves.
Flog, I'm glad you are back! You are right - Kenny's fan were really irritating. I also disliked Kenny for a long time, probably for the same reasons you dislike him. I really didn't like what he did to Carver (btw it was really stupid to kill him that way since there were walkers coming closer and closer) but I think it was great when he said he took a walkie-talkie. Imo it was kind of redemption after he didn't want to help Clemmy in s1e5 (at least in my playthrough, and yours probably).
There used to be about even numbers of people who didn't like him and people who did, but recently a few Kenny fans got banned for spamming … morethe stupid gif.
Plus, Kenny has been getting more and more violent recently so more and more people are probably realising that he isn't Jesus or whatever they thought he was.
I for one am glad about the overall decrease in facial hair jokes, jokes that make light of racism and jokes about boats.
Well, I've always been a Kenny fan, but I've never been the one who spammed gifs all over the forums, even if I did find these jokes funny.
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I like Kenny as a character, I do recognize he has his flaws, because no character/human being actually is flawless.
I don't have a quarrel with Lilly or Luke fans, either (for most part). The only person who was "anti-Kenny" that I completely loathed was S****di, but, thankfully, she's gone, and I don't see her around Youtube much, either.
"Crazy" doesn't describe it, in my opinion. She's completely off the rails.
I mean, would you call a man who's was in denial over his son's condition, and after his wife's suicide he's in complete a shock and doesn't know what to do "a pussy"? And, even more, she kept saying that he is a pussy, using this very point.
I'd have applauded her, if she was a troll, but she's just a crazy... person, before I start insulting her... again.
He leaves Lee under a door because in the efforts to help Larry he left Kenny to take all the blame of crushing his head, making him look like a bad guy and also put the whole group in danger mainly Kenny, Lee, Clem and Lilly. Also Leaving Kenny's family in danger if they didn't get out. There is facts and medical evidence to prove that Larry wasn't coming back but I won't go into that unless you want me too
If you leave his kid to die why should he help you with yours? You also basically put the whole group in danger and didn't help him when he needed you so, yeah. He'll have your back if you have his on like 3 choices that a simpleton could understand and make the right call on.
Kenny, like he said, grew up in Florida. I live in the North West of England, very far up North and I will admit that an environment can do things to people. Things pop out. Wow he made a racist remark to Lee, fuck me, he said sorry and it's over with. If he was full on racist then he wouldn't be best buds with Lee or save Christa when you drop Ben.
Yes. Ben got his family killed. Kenny kept restraint around Ben, I'd of kicked his fuckin' head in. So what if he wanted him to die anyway. In the end he tries to help Ben at the risk of his own life and even mercy kills him to put him out the pain.
He was being a gentleman for fuck sake. Don't diss him for that, maybe he looked a little agro but I'll just overlook that for you.
He got revenge on Carver because he was a disgusting piece of shit that deserved more than what Kenny gave to him. I wouldn't of shot him in the face and I'm sure plenty of other people wouldn't. What Kenny did to him was a mercy and can you blame him for doing it? The guy captured our group, smashed out his eye, killed several people beforehand and caused so much harm. Kenny got revenge, end of story, at least he could finish Carver unlike SOME people cough Luke cough
You list good things about him, but it's just as easy to list bad things, hence it could just as easily be argued he's not really a nice per… moreson:
He leaves Lee to die under a door if you don't help him to kill Larry in the meat locker;
He refuses to help find a defenseless child if you haven't always been by his side;
He thinks Lee will be able to pick locks because he's black;
He tells Lee to kill Ben, and threatens to kill him himself;
He won't let Sarita do things for herself such as carrying the boxes;
He takes his revenge on Carver in the most brutal way possible instead of showing that he was better than him by just shooting him in the face.
Hence, people are free to think he's a bad person. He isn't a 'nice person' just because you say he is, he's just a good person in your opinion.
You list good things about him, but it's just as easy to list bad things, hence it could just as easily be argued he's not really a nice per… moreson:
He leaves Lee to die under a door if you don't help him to kill Larry in the meat locker;
He refuses to help find a defenseless child if you haven't always been by his side;
He thinks Lee will be able to pick locks because he's black;
He tells Lee to kill Ben, and threatens to kill him himself;
He won't let Sarita do things for herself such as carrying the boxes;
He takes his revenge on Carver in the most brutal way possible instead of showing that he was better than him by just shooting him in the face.
Hence, people are free to think he's a bad person. He isn't a 'nice person' just because you say he is, he's just a good person in your opinion.
mashiro-shiina don't say "shame"
our opinions change from 1 person to another God made us like this
if everybody were from Luke's or Kenny's fans telltale will fail
Being from Uganda doesn't mean thinking that all gay people should be killed is okay, and being from Florida doesn't mean thinking all black people can pick locks is okay.
And I never left Duck to die, and he still refused to go with me until I convinced him, which, if he really cared about clem, he wouldn't need.
I find it interesting that loads of his fans say 'he does have flaws', and yet whenever someone says something he did is bad they say it wasn't bad at all.
What, in your opinion, then, are his flaws and worst actions?
He leaves Lee under a door because in the efforts to help Larry he left Kenny to take all the blame of crushing his head, making him look li… moreke a bad guy and also put the whole group in danger mainly Kenny, Lee, Clem and Lilly. Also Leaving Kenny's family in danger if they didn't get out. There is facts and medical evidence to prove that Larry wasn't coming back but I won't go into that unless you want me too
If you leave his kid to die why should he help you with yours? You also basically put the whole group in danger and didn't help him when he needed you so, yeah. He'll have your back if you have his on like 3 choices that a simpleton could understand and make the right call on.
Kenny, like he said, grew up in Florida. I live in the North West of England, very far up North and I will admit that an environment can do things to people. Things pop out. Wow he made a racist remark to Lee, fuck me, he said sorry and it's over with. If he w… [view original content]
I don't really dislike Kenny, I just get bored and annoyed whenever someone says he is perfect or, even worse, when someone says he has flaws and then goes on to disagree with every single point you make against him.
Flog, I'm glad you are back! You are right - Kenny's fan were really irritating. I also disliked Kenny for a long time, probably for the sam… moree reasons you dislike him. I really didn't like what he did to Carver (btw it was really stupid to kill him that way since there were walkers coming closer and closer) but I think it was great when he said he took a walkie-talkie. Imo it was kind of redemption after he didn't want to help Clemmy in s1e5 (at least in my playthrough, and yours probably).
Well to be fair people have said worse things than 'pussy' about Lilly while she was mourning her father's murder, which was gruesome and happened right in front of her eyes.
"Crazy" doesn't describe it, in my opinion. She's completely off the rails.
I mean, would you call a man who's was in denial over his son… more's condition, and after his wife's suicide he's in complete a shock and doesn't know what to do "a pussy"? And, even more, she kept saying that he is a pussy, using this very point.
I'd have applauded her, if she was a troll, but she's just a crazy... person, before I start insulting her... again.
the fact that personal morality exists on a sliding scale when weighed against such threats as starvation, murder, tells much about a persons instinct to survive. morality being religious or sociological being forced to make choices helps the blurry lines become more solidified.
Why is this pedophile shit always happening? I know they exist, but why would telltale have a character they're trying to make you like be a pedophile? I just don't understand some of these theories...
Well to be fair people have said worse things than 'pussy' about Lilly while she was mourning her father's murder, which was gruesome and happened right in front of her eyes.
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Now that's not necessarily true, there was always more fanboyism about Kenny than Luke and that fiction was made anyways. It was just about the fact that Luke is more conventionally attractive than Kenny.
And oh great, a boat mention.
Why is it a shame though?
This is going nowhere good, I'd recommend coming up with a different example. Preferably a fictional, conceptual one.
I won't give any, sorry. Editing the comment now.
As others mentioned, I think it's a combination of some bannings of vocal Kenny fans, the general fatigue people have developed for the more excessive elements of his fandom, and I think even some people that generally like him have agreed his presence in S2 has created problems (and I think the handwaved, fanservicey nature of his survival in general still irks some people too).
It just feels increasingly like the character has run his course, imo, and it's being reflected in board trends.
Of course there are going to be Kenny-haters. Just like how there are Lilly-haters but we know there are those who liked her. Personally, I like Kenny.
My best bud 'The Walking Mustache'.
There was an 'or' in between. But what should I expect from people who dislike Kenny kek
Kenny fans got obnoxious. Even if some, or most, were decent, respectful people, a lot were plain annoying. They invented that Kenny vs Luke bullshit (as you can see in this thread's first comment) and put Kenny on a pedestal, denying he ever did anything wrong or questionable. I think most people here like Kenny and his new-found awesomeness, like I do, but like (or at least don't viciously hate) Luke and can admit that he has flaws and can screw up. Personally, I got pretty sick of the more "hard-core" Kenny fans. I liked the beard and 'stache jokes, but somewhere along the way things got stupid. As in, really stupid.
Oh, good point. With that taken on board, here's my post mark III, now with extra sass and extra conjunctions, bolded for your viewing pleasure:
'People who like Lilly or don't like Kenny are illogical' - gentlemen and gentlewomen, I present to you the exact kind of Kenny fan boy that nearly everyone around here finds annoying.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Just because people disagree with you does NOT mean their opinion is less valid, and it does NOT mean they are stupid.
Haven't really noticed. Though I really haven't been paying much attention as of late.
Probably a good thing.
People who EITHER like Lilly OR are illogical dislike Kenny. I hope you get it right this time.
^ the awesome kind of Kenny fan, who can assert his own opinion whilst showing respect for those of others.
Well, that just ends up the same as my top one as it's logical that those who like Lilly are less likely to like Kenny.
It doesn't change the fact that saying people who aren't a particular fan of Lilly and don't like Kenny are illogical is really obnoxious and stupid.
Hence:
Gentlemen and gentlewomen, I present to you the exact kind of Kenny fan boy that nearly everyone around here finds annoying.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Just because people disagree with you does NOT mean their opinion is less valid, and it does NOT mean they are stupid.
Can you learn to read please?
I'd definitely say most, most Kenny fans are really awesome, just like fans of pretty much everyone in this game.
It's just a few of them ruined our perception of the group as a whole, unfortunately.
I disagree vehemently with your strong assumption that 'most people here like Kenny', however. Judging by recent posts and thumb ups and thumb downs I'd say that certainly isn't true. It seems to be pretty even, if not leaning to be generally anti-Kenny.
I always found this weird too. I liked Kenny before it was cool!
I did read. In fact I read rather well, hence me having done Classics at university.
Anywho, I'm asking why it's a shame that there *aren't many people who like his character more.
Why is the idea that more people don't like him so disagreeable? Is it just because you like him and want to feel that other people feel the same way so that you're more secure in your view and are in the majority?
Not really, I'm in a minority with most of my views in all honesty so I know what the situation feels like.
The fact what I find so disagreeable is that his character isn't half bad, he took blows to the face to ensure Clem's safety, he's been through hell and back just because he tried to save a kid that got his family killed. He's actually a nice guy, its also the fact that whenever anything good is said about him it's just shot down with down votes and nothing to back them up. That is from Luke fans most the time. It just gets on my nerves.
(Also, I'm sorry but my inner grammar nerd/nazi can't let this go: it's 'fewer' Kenny fans, not less.
A helpful way to remember this is you say 'less' with things you can't count, e.g. salt or sand. You can't have '1 salt' or '1 sand'. You say 'fewer' with things you can count, e.g. mice or rocks. You can have 'one mouse' or 'one rock'.
Hence, it would be 'less sand' and 'fewer mice', and since we can count Kenny fans, it would be 'fewer Kenny fans'
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest )
Well, I've always been a Kenny fan, but I've never been the one who spammed gifs all over the forums, even if I did find these jokes funny.
I like Kenny as a character, I do recognize he has his flaws, because no character/human being actually is flawless.
I don't have a quarrel with Lilly or Luke fans, either (for most part). The only person who was "anti-Kenny" that I completely loathed was S****di, but, thankfully, she's gone, and I don't see her around Youtube much, either.
You list good things about him, but it's just as easy to list bad things, hence it could just as easily be argued he's not really a nice person:
He leaves Lee to die under a door if you don't help him to kill Larry in the meat locker;
He refuses to help find a defenseless child if you haven't always been by his side;
He thinks Lee will be able to pick locks because he's black;
He tells Lee to kill Ben, and threatens to kill him himself;
He won't let Sarita do things for herself such as carrying the boxes;
He takes his revenge on Carver in the most brutal way possible instead of showing that he was better than him by just shooting him in the face.
Hence, people are free to think he's a bad person. He isn't a 'nice person' just because you say he is, he's just a good person in your opinion.
I'm a luke fan, but i dont hate on kenny.
Flog, I'm glad you are back! You are right - Kenny's fan were really irritating. I also disliked Kenny for a long time, probably for the same reasons you dislike him. I really didn't like what he did to Carver (btw it was really stupid to kill him that way since there were walkers coming closer and closer) but I think it was great when he said he took a walkie-talkie. Imo it was kind of redemption after he didn't want to help Clemmy in s1e5 (at least in my playthrough, and yours probably).
Oh The One Who Must Not Be Named was just crazy though
"Crazy" doesn't describe it, in my opinion. She's completely off the rails.
I mean, would you call a man who's was in denial over his son's condition, and after his wife's suicide he's in complete a shock and doesn't know what to do "a pussy"? And, even more, she kept saying that he is a pussy, using this very point.
I'd have applauded her, if she was a troll, but she's just a crazy... person, before I start insulting her... again.
mashiro-shiina don't say "shame"
our opinions change from 1 person to another God made us like this
if everybody were from Luke's or Kenny's fans telltale will fail
He leaves Lee under a door because in the efforts to help Larry he left Kenny to take all the blame of crushing his head, making him look like a bad guy and also put the whole group in danger mainly Kenny, Lee, Clem and Lilly. Also Leaving Kenny's family in danger if they didn't get out. There is facts and medical evidence to prove that Larry wasn't coming back but I won't go into that unless you want me too
If you leave his kid to die why should he help you with yours? You also basically put the whole group in danger and didn't help him when he needed you so, yeah. He'll have your back if you have his on like 3 choices that a simpleton could understand and make the right call on.
Kenny, like he said, grew up in Florida. I live in the North West of England, very far up North and I will admit that an environment can do things to people. Things pop out. Wow he made a racist remark to Lee, fuck me, he said sorry and it's over with. If he was full on racist then he wouldn't be best buds with Lee or save Christa when you drop Ben.
Yes. Ben got his family killed. Kenny kept restraint around Ben, I'd of kicked his fuckin' head in. So what if he wanted him to die anyway. In the end he tries to help Ben at the risk of his own life and even mercy kills him to put him out the pain.
He was being a gentleman for fuck sake. Don't diss him for that, maybe he looked a little agro but I'll just overlook that for you.
He got revenge on Carver because he was a disgusting piece of shit that deserved more than what Kenny gave to him. I wouldn't of shot him in the face and I'm sure plenty of other people wouldn't. What Kenny did to him was a mercy and can you blame him for doing it? The guy captured our group, smashed out his eye, killed several people beforehand and caused so much harm. Kenny got revenge, end of story, at least he could finish Carver unlike SOME people cough Luke cough
He has flaws.
Lee can be a bad person as well.
Kenny isn't the best guy ever, but he cares for Clem.
And also don't bring religion into this. Last thing I need is a fuckin' preacher
He does in season 2, but in season 1 he refused to help me find her. If he really cared about her, why would he need me to convince him to do it?
Being from Uganda doesn't mean thinking that all gay people should be killed is okay, and being from Florida doesn't mean thinking all black people can pick locks is okay.
And I never left Duck to die, and he still refused to go with me until I convinced him, which, if he really cared about clem, he wouldn't need.
I find it interesting that loads of his fans say 'he does have flaws', and yet whenever someone says something he did is bad they say it wasn't bad at all.
What, in your opinion, then, are his flaws and worst actions?
I don't really dislike Kenny, I just get bored and annoyed whenever someone says he is perfect or, even worse, when someone says he has flaws and then goes on to disagree with every single point you make against him.
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Well to be fair people have said worse things than 'pussy' about Lilly while she was mourning her father's murder, which was gruesome and happened right in front of her eyes.
the fact that personal morality exists on a sliding scale when weighed against such threats as starvation, murder, tells much about a persons instinct to survive. morality being religious or sociological being forced to make choices helps the blurry lines become more solidified.
Well, it is pretty much the same situation, come to think of it. Just as... she was wrong, so were those people.
He always cared for Clem. All you have to say is "Clementine's my family" and he'll go with you.
i dont dislike Kenny, throughout the whole story hes stayed true to his self. what i dislike are the Kenny followers.