Maybe I'm wrong. It's just that sometimes I downvote threads and posts that are disrespectfully pro-Kenny, or which seem to assume that you're either a Kenny fan or a Lilly/Luke fan, and I assumed I wasn't the only one. But, mostly, I still remember all the hype in the forums about Kenny coming back, which lead me to believe that "most people" are Kenny fans. Maybe the honeymoon's over and I didn't realize.
I'd definitely say most, most Kenny fans are really awesome, just like fans of pretty much everyone in this game.
It's just a few of them… more ruined our perception of the group as a whole, unfortunately.
I disagree vehemently with your strong assumption that 'most people here like Kenny', however. Judging by recent posts and thumb ups and thumb downs I'd say that certainly isn't true. It seems to be pretty even, if not leaning to be generally anti-Kenny.
There used to be about even numbers of people who didn't like him and people who did, but recently a few Kenny fans got banned for spamming … morethe stupid gif.
Plus, Kenny has been getting more and more violent recently so more and more people are probably realising that he isn't Jesus or whatever they thought he was.
I for one am glad about the overall decrease in facial hair jokes, jokes that make light of racism and jokes about boats.
Maaaaaan, I remember those days. Being a Kenny fan was actually pretty tough because we were so few. It seemed like everyone hated him, and while that was certainly understandable given things like leaving Lee under the door or not coming to find Clem, there were only a handful of us who actually liked him. It's probably like Flog said though, nostalgia for Season 1 made people see him in a better light.
I'm actually surprised so many people like Kenny.
I've always liked him but, I recall these forums back when season 1 was still incomplet… moree, people used to HATE him.
Like, there were Kenny hate threads everywhere.
Then as soon as Season 1 ended everyone became a Kenny lover. I never quite understood what happened.
Here is something to think about Flog. If Christa really cared for Clem then SHE would of went with Lee regardless of whether he was bitten or not. Christa left my Clem to die where as my Kenny came along to help. Isn't Christa no better than Kenny or is this different because it's her?
Being from Uganda doesn't mean thinking that all gay people should be killed is okay, and being from Florida doesn't mean thinking all black… more people can pick locks is okay.
And I never left Duck to die, and he still refused to go with me until I convinced him, which, if he really cared about clem, he wouldn't need.
I find it interesting that loads of his fans say 'he does have flaws', and yet whenever someone says something he did is bad they say it wasn't bad at all.
What, in your opinion, then, are his flaws and worst actions?
The hype about Kenny returning was mainly done by about 5 or 6 dedicated people, not the whole forum. Plus people were just excited to see a familiar face, and assumed he would be the same.
Now that they've seen he's getting worse and more violent, they're starting to be drawn away from undying support.
Maybe I'm wrong. It's just that sometimes I downvote threads and posts that are disrespectfully pro-Kenny, or which seem to assume that you'… morere either a Kenny fan or a Lilly/Luke fan, and I assumed I wasn't the only one. But, mostly, I still remember all the hype in the forums about Kenny coming back, which lead me to believe that "most people" are Kenny fans. Maybe the honeymoon's over and I didn't realize.
I'm very happy you asked me that Mashiro. I was unimpressed with her actually. I felt her reason for refusing was better though:
I would only strongly judge her for it if I expected her to care more about Omid than Clem. Which I didn't.
If Duck was ill but alive and Kenny didn't come save clem then I would be more udnerstanding of what he did.
Not to mention the fact that Kenny knew clem for 15 times as long as Christa did.
Still, I was unimpressed with the fact that Christa could refuse to go. Very unimpressed with her. I just feel that her reason, looking after Omid and Lee being in perfect shape to be able to do it, it better than Kenny who refuses to go just because you have disagreed with him in the past.
Her reason for refusal is much more empathetic in my opinion. But yes, I was rather unimpressed with her refusing to help me find clem in my alternate playthrough.
Here is something to think about Flog. If Christa really cared for Clem then SHE would of went with Lee regardless of whether he was bitten … moreor not. Christa left my Clem to die where as my Kenny came along to help. Isn't Christa no better than Kenny or is this different because it's her?
I'm very happy you asked me that Mashiro. I was unimpressed with her actually. I felt her reason for refusing was better though:
I would … moreonly strongly judge her for it if I expected her to care more about Omid than Clem. Which I didn't.
If Duck was ill but alive and Kenny didn't come save clem then I would be more udnerstanding of what he did.
Not to mention the fact that Kenny knew clem for 15 times as long as Christa did.
Still, I was unimpressed with the fact that Christa could refuse to go. Very unimpressed with her. I just feel that her reason, looking after Omid and Lee being in perfect shape to be able to do it, it better than Kenny who refuses to go just because you have disagreed with him in the past.
Her reason for refusal is much more empathetic in my opinion. But yes, I was rather unimpressed with her refusing to help me find clem in my alternate playthrough.
He actually does mention it if you constantly didn't side with him during Season 1. "I don't know why you're looking over here, Lee. Hell, I can't remember the last time you went out on a limb for me - if ever. And I've got a boat to prep."
He never mentioned that as a reason, and he never worries about the boat not being fixed if he agrees to come along with you.
If that was… more his reason, why would he lie about it and say that it's because Lee hasn't helped him enough?
Furthermore, surely saving a child takes priority over fixing a boat which can be done at any time within reason?
everyone changes over time, Kenny trying to be the same after everything thats happened would be him not staying true to himself. i havent forgiven him for all the things he's done in season1 but your not a individual controlling the whole group of survivors your simply one voice within many, in other words i will always be cautious of him and know that he has a hidden agenda and take that into consideration when making choices.
Well, I assume that the number of Kenny fans has deteriorated because of newly introduced characters. OR it could be this which is the most likely in my eyes: People want Kenny gone. People seem to think that he is taking up most, maybe even all of the screen time, stamping down on other characters and not allowing them to develop. I must admit, Kenny does take up a lot of screen time, but being a Kenny fan, I really don't mind.
But there are people who want other characters to take the spotlight, the only problem is Kenny won't budge. Keeping him alive means he's around and people still love him for that. So the only way people see fit is to kill off Kenny and allow other characters to get the development they need. Some seem a little angry that they are forced to side with Kenny all the time and are potentially getting sick of him.
Overall, I still love Ken, and I'm still around. Sometimes. But it seems like other people want him gone so that characters can develop. Which makes sense, but I'd rather Kenny lived. But even I can't deny it forever. He'll die, eventually. Everyone does.
He actually does mention it if you constantly didn't side with him during Season 1. "I don't know why you're looking over here, Lee. Hell, I can't remember the last time you went out on a limb for me - if ever. And I've got a boat to prep."
Yes, but if he really cared then why would I need to convince him at all? Why wouldn't he automatically come?
If I cared about someone a lot, I wouldn't hesitate to rescue them, especially if they were a child.
Listen, I like Kenny because he's flawed. Easier to relate to, more realistic, ect. And in my opinion it doesn't matter if there is the determinant possibility that he doesn't go with you to save Clementine, because it can happen with all the other characters as well. (Christa, Omid, Ben)
I'm not saying the action is truly justified, I'm saying that he does care for Clem, considering everything in Season 1-2.
I think all characters are flawed and thus are all relatable. I just think some, such as Kenny and Lilly, are more flawed than others.
I think the others have better reasons than 'I have to fix a boat' or 'you didn't always agree with me'.
Ben will always come if you ask him to, so he can't really be blamed, and Christa wants to make sure Omid is ok, whom she obviously cares more about than Clem, and if she thinks Lee is bitten then she thinks he can handle it and so clem should be safe. If she knows he is bitten, then she worries that he won't be able to save her and so comes to make sure she is saved.
Kenny makes it all about Lee as a person and not the situation of Clementine being missing.
I think he cares about her a lot in season 2, but I don't think we have a great deal of evidence that he cares about her that much in season 1.
Listen, I like Kenny because he's flawed. Easier to relate to, more realistic, ect. And in my opinion it doesn't matter if there is the dete… morerminant possibility that he doesn't go with you to save Clementine, because it can happen with all the other characters as well. (Christa, Omid, Ben)
I'm not saying the action is truly justified, I'm saying that he does care for Clem, considering everything in Season 1-2.
The truth can be convincing, the two aren't mutually exclusive.
I'm saying Kenny can only come if you persuade him to be telling him something which is true. If he needed to be told that in order to come, and would not come just because Clem was missing, then clearly at that point in the narrative he can't care that much.
I'll ask you again because you ignored it last time: if you think Kenny is flawed, which of his decisions and attributes do you think are/were bad? Because right now it seems you just told me you think he's flawed to make your argument seem more agreeable without actually thinking it.
I'll be happy to tell you the ways I think Kenny is awesome as well as an asshole.
Nearly everyonetries to be unchanged after everything that's happened so that's hardly something especially great about him.
Lilly didn't say to herself 'Oh my father's been murdered now I'm going to be ruder to everyone else and kill a group member in a fit of anger and frustration', she tried to manage, she just couldn't, and nor can Ken, and nor can anyone really be successful in it.
everyone changes over time, Kenny trying to be the same after everything thats happened would be him not staying true to himself. i havent f… moreorgiven him for all the things he's done in season1 but your not a individual controlling the whole group of survivors your simply one voice within many, in other words i will always be cautious of him and know that he has a hidden agenda and take that into consideration when making choices.
It kind of was a massive concern. There were thousands of walkers roaming the streets. It really was their only means of getting somewhere safe for the time being, and I personally think Kenny staying behind was the most explainable. (He went to save Clem in my playthrough without hesitation but I can definitely understand him staying behind to fix the boat up)
Oh, well I agreed with him 50% of the time and he didn't mention that when refusing, which shows it can't really have been a massive concern… more.
And again, I hardly think 'I need to fix my boat' is an excuse for not looking for a missing child. Surely the latter is far FAR more important?
Kenny is kind of a dick, but he's also kind of likable in some ways, some of his behavior has a point to it, he's a human being and that's why I find him to be a great character.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, some people just dislike characters for their appearance, attributes, attitude... well the list doesn't end small. I for one do like Kenny, but he isn't my favourite character and some of the character threads can sound pretty biased, but that shouldn't worry you, some characters have a way smaller fan base.
a) he doesn't tell you that if he likes you more, when you'd expect him to be more honest, so he can't think it's a huge concern. Why woudl he only tell you the real reason if he hates you, how does that make sense?
b) Yes, thousands of walkers ARE roaming the streets. All the more reason why Lee would need help to rescue Clem, and why she would be in even more danger.
As I've said, surely rescuing a child takes priority over fixing a boat?
It kind of was a massive concern. There were thousands of walkers roaming the streets. It really was their only means of getting somewhere s… moreafe for the time being, and I personally think Kenny staying behind was the most explainable. (He went to save Clem in my playthrough without hesitation but I can definitely understand him staying behind to fix the boat up)
You're seriously awesome, because, while expressing your opinion, you make an attempt to empathise with us.
I generally feel like we haven't been forced to side with Kenny too much. I mean, we have a little, but in episode 2, we could pick the option 'I never really liked him', which for my clem makes sense as they never spoke to each other.
Hpowever I was angry in episode 3: he asks 'Do you trust me' and your options are 'yes' or two ways of dodging the question. Where was my option to say 'Actually Ken, I'm sorry but I don't trust you at all.' ?
Telltale has treated him with bias, unfortunately, but generally it's not too bad. Just little moments like that really annoy me.
Well, I assume that the number of Kenny fans has deteriorated because of newly introduced characters. OR it could be this which is the most … morelikely in my eyes: People want Kenny gone. People seem to think that he is taking up most, maybe even all of the screen time, stamping down on other characters and not allowing them to develop. I must admit, Kenny does take up a lot of screen time, but being a Kenny fan, I really don't mind.
But there are people who want other characters to take the spotlight, the only problem is Kenny won't budge. Keeping him alive means he's around and people still love him for that. So the only way people see fit is to kill off Kenny and allow other characters to get the development they need. Some seem a little angry that they are forced to side with Kenny all the time and are potentially getting sick of him.
Overall, I still love Ken, and I'm still around. Sometimes. But it seems like other people want him gone… [view original content]
Kenny is kind of a dick, but he's also kind of likable in some ways, some of his behavior has a point to it, he's a human being and that's why I find him to be a great character.
Lily killed Carley because she insulted her or thought she was a traitor but most likely insult, which is a bit petty or she was going to kill Ben but killed Doug, if you tell Lily to get in and stay in the RV, she steals it and leaves everyone to die. Larry was going to to throw Duck out on the street and leaves Lee to die, Hershel tells his guests to get out even though it wasn't really anyone's fault, Danny enjoyed being a cannibal, the bandits were a buch of assholes who didn't care for anyone, Vernon steals Lee and the group's boat, Brie wanted Vernon to shoot Lee, Nick wanted to kill Clementine in S2 Episode 1, Carver does all kinds of shitty things....Humans, am I right?
I said 'they don't all cause as much pain to others as Kenny'. Which, in my opinion is true: characters such as Omid, Clem (determinantly), Luke or Alvin really didn't.
You're reason for liking him is that he's a human being. All of those people you described are humans, and all do things that 'have a point to it' so I really don't see how you're arguing that he's more likable than others in that respect.
Unless you're saying that you like Danny and Carver as much as him? Seems unlikely..
Lily killed Carley because she insulted her or thought she was a traitor but most likely insult, which is a bit petty or she was going to ki… morell Ben but killed Doug, if you tell Lily to get in and stay in the RV, she steals it and leaves everyone to die. Larry was going to to throw Duck out on the street and leaves Lee to die, Hershel tells his guests to get out even though it wasn't really anyone's fault, Danny enjoyed being a cannibal, the bandits were a buch of assholes who didn't care for anyone, Vernon steals Lee and the group's boat, Brie wanted Vernon to shoot Lee, Nick wanted to kill Clementine in S2 Episode 1, Carver does all kinds of shitty things....Humans, am I right?
Yeah i dont get it why people dont like kenny because he is old? but i love kenny The Man Try To Survive if i lose my family in that crazy world im gonna be mad you know thats why i love kenny he is strong
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Yeah, it's interesting how similar Lilly and Kenny actually are.
Maybe I'm wrong. It's just that sometimes I downvote threads and posts that are disrespectfully pro-Kenny, or which seem to assume that you're either a Kenny fan or a Lilly/Luke fan, and I assumed I wasn't the only one. But, mostly, I still remember all the hype in the forums about Kenny coming back, which lead me to believe that "most people" are Kenny fans. Maybe the honeymoon's over and I didn't realize.
Then my username is a bit outdated
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Maaaaaan, I remember those days. Being a Kenny fan was actually pretty tough because we were so few. It seemed like everyone hated him, and while that was certainly understandable given things like leaving Lee under the door or not coming to find Clem, there were only a handful of us who actually liked him. It's probably like Flog said though, nostalgia for Season 1 made people see him in a better light.
I actually think there's more Kenny fans out there. My reason is that we've known him the longest. And we all share the love of BOAT!
Yes, but if he really cared then why would I need to convince him at all? Why wouldn't he automatically come?
If I cared about someone a lot, I wouldn't hesitate to rescue them, especially if they were a child.
Just pretend it's ironic or something
On top of that, He doesn't mind if you don't feed him but he is grateful and happy if you feed the kids, which includes Clementine.
Here is something to think about Flog. If Christa really cared for Clem then SHE would of went with Lee regardless of whether he was bitten or not. Christa left my Clem to die where as my Kenny came along to help. Isn't Christa no better than Kenny or is this different because it's her?
The hype about Kenny returning was mainly done by about 5 or 6 dedicated people, not the whole forum. Plus people were just excited to see a familiar face, and assumed he would be the same.
Now that they've seen he's getting worse and more violent, they're starting to be drawn away from undying support.
I'm very happy you asked me that Mashiro. I was unimpressed with her actually. I felt her reason for refusing was better though:
I would only strongly judge her for it if I expected her to care more about Omid than Clem. Which I didn't.
If Duck was ill but alive and Kenny didn't come save clem then I would be more udnerstanding of what he did.
Not to mention the fact that Kenny knew clem for 15 times as long as Christa did.
Still, I was unimpressed with the fact that Christa could refuse to go. Very unimpressed with her. I just feel that her reason, looking after Omid and Lee being in perfect shape to be able to do it, it better than Kenny who refuses to go just because you have disagreed with him in the past.
Her reason for refusal is much more empathetic in my opinion. But yes, I was rather unimpressed with her refusing to help me find clem in my alternate playthrough.
'On top of that' doesn't really work with regard to a point which I have argued against seemingly successfully as no-one has challenged it.
Kenny actually has a good reason for not going to save Clem either. He had a boat to fix, remember?
'Stache-ist 4eva.
He never mentioned that as a reason, and he never worries about the boat not being fixed if he agrees to come along with you.
If that was his reason, why would he lie about it and say that it's because Lee hasn't helped him enough?
Furthermore, surely saving a child takes priority over fixing a boat which can be done at any time within reason?
He actually does mention it if you constantly didn't side with him during Season 1. "I don't know why you're looking over here, Lee. Hell, I can't remember the last time you went out on a limb for me - if ever. And I've got a boat to prep."
Isn't the whole point about him in season 2 that he's changing, i.e. not staying true to himself?
everyone changes over time, Kenny trying to be the same after everything thats happened would be him not staying true to himself. i havent forgiven him for all the things he's done in season1 but your not a individual controlling the whole group of survivors your simply one voice within many, in other words i will always be cautious of him and know that he has a hidden agenda and take that into consideration when making choices.
Well, I assume that the number of Kenny fans has deteriorated because of newly introduced characters. OR it could be this which is the most likely in my eyes: People want Kenny gone. People seem to think that he is taking up most, maybe even all of the screen time, stamping down on other characters and not allowing them to develop. I must admit, Kenny does take up a lot of screen time, but being a Kenny fan, I really don't mind.
But there are people who want other characters to take the spotlight, the only problem is Kenny won't budge. Keeping him alive means he's around and people still love him for that. So the only way people see fit is to kill off Kenny and allow other characters to get the development they need. Some seem a little angry that they are forced to side with Kenny all the time and are potentially getting sick of him.
Overall, I still love Ken, and I'm still around. Sometimes. But it seems like other people want him gone so that characters can develop. Which makes sense, but I'd rather Kenny lived. But even I can't deny it forever. He'll die, eventually. Everyone does.
Oh, well I agreed with him 50% of the time and he didn't mention that when refusing, which shows it can't really have been a massive concern.
And again, I hardly think 'I need to fix my boat' is an excuse for not looking for a missing child. Surely the latter is far FAR more important?
How could anybody not like Kenny? He's hilarious. Maybe my favorite video game character of all time.
"That's fuckin' stupid Ben".
It's not convincing. It's the truth. Clementine is Lee's family.
Listen, I like Kenny because he's flawed. Easier to relate to, more realistic, ect. And in my opinion it doesn't matter if there is the determinant possibility that he doesn't go with you to save Clementine, because it can happen with all the other characters as well. (Christa, Omid, Ben)
I'm not saying the action is truly justified, I'm saying that he does care for Clem, considering everything in Season 1-2.
I think all characters are flawed and thus are all relatable. I just think some, such as Kenny and Lilly, are more flawed than others.
I think the others have better reasons than 'I have to fix a boat' or 'you didn't always agree with me'.
Ben will always come if you ask him to, so he can't really be blamed, and Christa wants to make sure Omid is ok, whom she obviously cares more about than Clem, and if she thinks Lee is bitten then she thinks he can handle it and so clem should be safe. If she knows he is bitten, then she worries that he won't be able to save her and so comes to make sure she is saved.
Kenny makes it all about Lee as a person and not the situation of Clementine being missing.
I think he cares about her a lot in season 2, but I don't think we have a great deal of evidence that he cares about her that much in season 1.
The truth can be convincing, the two aren't mutually exclusive.
I'm saying Kenny can only come if you persuade him to be telling him something which is true. If he needed to be told that in order to come, and would not come just because Clem was missing, then clearly at that point in the narrative he can't care that much.
I'll ask you again because you ignored it last time: if you think Kenny is flawed, which of his decisions and attributes do you think are/were bad? Because right now it seems you just told me you think he's flawed to make your argument seem more agreeable without actually thinking it.
I'll be happy to tell you the ways I think Kenny is awesome as well as an asshole.
Nearly everyone tries to be unchanged after everything that's happened so that's hardly something especially great about him.
Lilly didn't say to herself 'Oh my father's been murdered now I'm going to be ruder to everyone else and kill a group member in a fit of anger and frustration', she tried to manage, she just couldn't, and nor can Ken, and nor can anyone really be successful in it.
Boat joke number two, still as funny as ever.
It kind of was a massive concern. There were thousands of walkers roaming the streets. It really was their only means of getting somewhere safe for the time being, and I personally think Kenny staying behind was the most explainable. (He went to save Clem in my playthrough without hesitation but I can definitely understand him staying behind to fix the boat up)
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Kenny is kind of a dick, but he's also kind of likable in some ways, some of his behavior has a point to it, he's a human being and that's why I find him to be a great character.
Why do people have to post about how they dislike characters and then get pissy when it starts a big argument?
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, some people just dislike characters for their appearance, attributes, attitude... well the list doesn't end small. I for one do like Kenny, but he isn't my favourite character and some of the character threads can sound pretty biased, but that shouldn't worry you, some characters have a way smaller fan base.
But again, as I say,
a) he doesn't tell you that if he likes you more, when you'd expect him to be more honest, so he can't think it's a huge concern. Why woudl he only tell you the real reason if he hates you, how does that make sense?
b) Yes, thousands of walkers ARE roaming the streets. All the more reason why Lee would need help to rescue Clem, and why she would be in even more danger.
As I've said, surely rescuing a child takes priority over fixing a boat?
You're seriously awesome, because, while expressing your opinion, you make an attempt to empathise with us.
I generally feel like we haven't been forced to side with Kenny too much. I mean, we have a little, but in episode 2, we could pick the option 'I never really liked him', which for my clem makes sense as they never spoke to each other.
Hpowever I was angry in episode 3: he asks 'Do you trust me' and your options are 'yes' or two ways of dodging the question. Where was my option to say 'Actually Ken, I'm sorry but I don't trust you at all.' ?
Telltale has treated him with bias, unfortunately, but generally it's not too bad. Just little moments like that really annoy me.
To be fair, all of them are humans and they don't all cause as much pain to others as he does do they?
Expressing dislike over a character is just as valid as expressing like over a character.
Lily killed Carley because she insulted her or thought she was a traitor but most likely insult, which is a bit petty or she was going to kill Ben but killed Doug, if you tell Lily to get in and stay in the RV, she steals it and leaves everyone to die. Larry was going to to throw Duck out on the street and leaves Lee to die, Hershel tells his guests to get out even though it wasn't really anyone's fault, Danny enjoyed being a cannibal, the bandits were a buch of assholes who didn't care for anyone, Vernon steals Lee and the group's boat, Brie wanted Vernon to shoot Lee, Nick wanted to kill Clementine in S2 Episode 1, Carver does all kinds of shitty things....Humans, am I right?
You seem to have missed my point beautifully:
I said 'they don't all cause as much pain to others as Kenny'. Which, in my opinion is true: characters such as Omid, Clem (determinantly), Luke or Alvin really didn't.
You're reason for liking him is that he's a human being. All of those people you described are humans, and all do things that 'have a point to it' so I really don't see how you're arguing that he's more likable than others in that respect.
Unless you're saying that you like Danny and Carver as much as him? Seems unlikely..
Yeah i dont get it why people dont like kenny because he is old? but i love kenny The Man Try To Survive if i lose my family in that crazy world im gonna be mad you know thats why i love kenny he is strong