The truth can be convincing, the two aren't mutually exclusive.
I'm saying Kenny can only come if you persuade him to be telling him some… morething which is true. If he needed to be told that in order to come, and would not come just because Clem was missing, then clearly at that point in the narrative he can't care that much.
I'll ask you again because you ignored it last time: if you think Kenny is flawed, which of his decisions and attributes do you think are/were bad? Because right now it seems you just told me you think he's flawed to make your argument seem more agreeable without actually thinking it.
I'll be happy to tell you the ways I think Kenny is awesome as well as an asshole.
I'm assuming the more vocal Kenny fans that are more prone to disliking any anti-Kenny comment due to their refusal to accept opinions that differ from their own have either been banned or are not frequenting the forums as often.
1.
the smaller number or part, especially a number that is less than half the whole number.
has nothing to do with being easily offended, oppressed, or complaining.
Has EVERYTHING to do with comprising LESS THAN HALF of a population.
So for example: If less than HALF of a Telltale community likes both Luke and Kenny, they are a minority.
If more than half of the TT community love Clementine, they are a majority.
Lets try this one again.
Becca-lovers are a minority in this community. People who own The Walking Dead S1 are (I assume) a majority. No need to bring thinly veiled social commentary into a discussion about a word that has a very clear meaning independent of the definition you made up for yourself.
Just don't go around calling yourself a minority. Maybe I have no right to say it, but "minority" sounds to me as some kind of easily offend… moreed/oppressed group, that asks for more rights on that very basis (of being offended), which could I agree with some times, but not most of the time.
mi·nor·i·ty
məˈnôrətē/
noun
noun: minority; plural noun: minorities
1. the smaller number or part, especially a number that is less th… morean half the whole number.
has nothing to do with being easily offended, oppressed, or complaining.
Has EVERYTHING to do with comprising LESS THAN HALF of a population.
So for example: If less than HALF of a Telltale community likes both Luke and Kenny, they are a minority.
If more than half of the TT community love Clementine, they are a majority.
Lets try this one again.
Becca-lovers are a minority in this community. People who own The Walking Dead S1 are (I assume) a majority. No need to bring thinly veiled social commentary into a discussion about a word that has a very clear meaning independent of the definition you made up for yourself.
I don't view you as a complete dumbass imbecile, but you did state above an incorrect assumption about what the word minority means. Juice_Box is completely correct to say she is in a minority, per the definition. You pulled in a whole lot of things that have nothing to do with it.
I'm not trying to start a fight or anything of the sort, at all. I'm not trying to be condescending. I don't know you, AT ALL, and for all I know you are ESL. How would I know? I couldn't. I don't see the problem.
Let me ask you a question - were you really thinking I didn't know what does "minority" mean?
Were you doing me, a complete dumbass imbec… moreile (that must be how you view me), a service?
If so, then thank you kindly! Without your magnanimous help I would have never known what minority means!
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Well, funny you talk about assumptions, because you've made an assumption that I don't know what minority means, and went out of your way to correct me, when I didn't need it.
I wasn't using "minority" in it's vocabulary definition, and purposefully so. I am completely aware of its actual meaning and definition. You say you're not trying to be condescending, but you've perfectly managed to act like it.
I don't view you as a complete dumbass imbecile, but you did state above an incorrect assumption about what the word minority means. Juice_B… moreox is completely correct to say she is in a minority, per the definition. You pulled in a whole lot of things that have nothing to do with it.
I'm not trying to start a fight or anything of the sort, at all. I'm not trying to be condescending. I don't know you, AT ALL, and for all I know you are ESL. How would I know? I couldn't. I don't see the problem.
Well, funny you talk about assumptions, because you've made an assumption that I don't know what minority means, and went out of your way to… more correct me, when I didn't need it.
I wasn't using "minority" in it's vocabulary definition, and purposefully so. I am completely aware of its actual meaning and definition. You say you're not trying to be condescending, but you've perfectly managed to act like it.
Well, funny you talk about assumptions, because you've made an assumption that I don't know what minority means, and went out of your way to… more correct me, when I didn't need it.
I wasn't using "minority" in it's vocabulary definition, and purposefully so. I am completely aware of its actual meaning and definition. You say you're not trying to be condescending, but you've perfectly managed to act like it.
Well, that just ends up the same as my top one as it's logical that those who like Lilly are less likely to like Kenny.
It doesn't change… more the fact that saying people who aren't a particular fan of Lilly and don't like Kenny are illogical is really obnoxious and stupid.
Hence:
Gentlemen and gentlewomen, I present to you the exact kind of Kenny fan boy that nearly everyone around here finds annoying.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Just because people disagree with you does NOT mean their opinion is less valid, and it does NOT mean they are stupid.
Didn't really like Danny, didn't really have a sympathetic moment, this is my opinion, of course. When it comes to villains, I like villains, but I don't really enjoy evil, but because I either can find them threatening, scary, or interesting or fun to watch. I'm not saying Kenny is more likable at all, I think he's a bit of a dick, but I found him likeable in SOME WAYS and I enjoy him as a character because he's a flawed human being, I like seeing flawed characters in fiction who in some ways are gray types of characters and not 100% good or 100% evil and I LOVE that in fiction, zombies or not. I probably did miss the point, maybe, my mistake. I'm not really a Kenny lover or a Kenny hater, I'm a bit more on the fence.
You seem to have missed my point beautifully:
I said 'they don't all cause as much pain to others as Kenny'. Which, in my opinion is true… more: characters such as Omid, Clem (determinantly), Luke or Alvin really didn't.
You're reason for liking him is that he's a human being. All of those people you described are humans, and all do things that 'have a point to it' so I really don't see how you're arguing that he's more likable than others in that respect.
Unless you're saying that you like Danny and Carver as much as him? Seems unlikely..
Being from Uganda doesn't mean thinking that all gay people should be killed is okay, and being from Florida doesn't mean thinking all black… more people can pick locks is okay.
And I never left Duck to die, and he still refused to go with me until I convinced him, which, if he really cared about clem, he wouldn't need.
I find it interesting that loads of his fans say 'he does have flaws', and yet whenever someone says something he did is bad they say it wasn't bad at all.
What, in your opinion, then, are his flaws and worst actions?
Well, that just ends up the same as my top one as it's logical that those who like Lilly are less likely to like Kenny.
It doesn't change… more the fact that saying people who aren't a particular fan of Lilly and don't like Kenny are illogical is really obnoxious and stupid.
Hence:
Gentlemen and gentlewomen, I present to you the exact kind of Kenny fan boy that nearly everyone around here finds annoying.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Just because people disagree with you does NOT mean their opinion is less valid, and it does NOT mean they are stupid.
I just want people to know at even though I'm a Kenny fan I still respect other people's opinions. I may crack a joke from time to time but I'm hardly ever serious.
I just wish this forum was how it used to be, y'know, the same community. What happened to respecting each other? That's why I'm not around very often.
You're seriously awesome, because, while expressing your opinion, you make an attempt to empathise with us.
I generally feel like we have… moren't been forced to side with Kenny too much. I mean, we have a little, but in episode 2, we could pick the option 'I never really liked him', which for my clem makes sense as they never spoke to each other.
Hpowever I was angry in episode 3: he asks 'Do you trust me' and your options are 'yes' or two ways of dodging the question. Where was my option to say 'Actually Ken, I'm sorry but I don't trust you at all.' ?
Telltale has treated him with bias, unfortunately, but generally it's not too bad. Just little moments like that really annoy me.
Actually no. It's a mixture of people who love different characters, people who hate Kenny, and people who don't care and take ofeences toward a character lightly and as a joke.
I still remember the time Kenny fans swarmed this place.
Didn't really like Danny, didn't really have a sympathetic moment, this is my opinion, of course. When it comes to villains, I like villains… more, but I don't really enjoy evil, but because I either can find them threatening, scary, or interesting or fun to watch. I'm not saying Kenny is more likable at all, I think he's a bit of a dick, but I found him likeable in SOME WAYS and I enjoy him as a character because he's a flawed human being, I like seeing flawed characters in fiction who in some ways are gray types of characters and not 100% good or 100% evil and I LOVE that in fiction, zombies or not. I probably did miss the point, maybe, my mistake. I'm not really a Kenny lover or a Kenny hater, I'm a bit more on the fence.
Yeah i dont get it why people dont like kenny because he is old? but i love kenny The Man Try To Survive if i lose my family in that crazy world im gonna be mad you know thats why i love kenny he is strong
His plan in 203 was not going to work, i also have mixed feelings about the Larry situation. They're probably more, i just can't think right now.
Kenny is so funny, but he is a douche. I agree with you on that.
I like Kenny, but let me get something straight here:
The "powerful stache" thing is the stupidest thing I have ever heard in TWD.
Most of his fans are starting to ruin Kenny for me, they're aggressive and does not approve of other people's opinions.
They completely ignore all of the mistakes Kenny has made, and thinks his facial hair justifies it.
To be honest, I like Luke just as much as Kenny, maybe even more. Some of you Kenny fans should just grow the f**k up, I'm tired of seeing these "GODLIKE STACHE" and "boat driver for life" bullcrap comments.
I like Kenny, but let me get something straight here:
* The "powerful stache" thing is the stupidest thing I have ever heard in TWD.
*… more Most of his fans are starting to ruin Kenny for me, they're aggressive and does not approve of other people's opinions.
* They completely ignore all of the mistakes Kenny has made, and thinks his facial hair justifies it.
To be honest, I like Luke just as much as Kenny, maybe even more. Some of you Kenny fans should just grow the f**k up, I'm tired of seeing these "GODLIKE STACHE" and "boat driver for life" bullcrap comments.
No, there's plenty of Kenny fans in here. But only dicks are very active about him. You know, all these "powerful stache and boat, KENNY 4EVER" people. They overshadow normal fans.
If he was truly racist, he would never be so buddy-buddy with Lee. The issue would resurface at some point. For supposedly being a racist, he treats Lee as his equal.
Seems unfair to call him a racist just because Telltale wanted to make a little joke in one scene all the way back in Episode two of season one. You're thinking into it a little too hard. It was only meant to be a laugh. Hardly incriminating evidence that Kenny is actually some sort of racist.
If you really don't want to give him the excuse though, the guy does apologize immediately and admits that what he said was stupid.
Because it showed he is racist?
Regardless of if its a joke or not, we can't just ignore the fact that he's saying black people know how to pick locks.
No, I don't think so. I think there's a set number of us Kenny fans out there. I think the number of obnoxious people who say stuff like "saltlickchrist" has gone down. but I'm a fan of Kenny. "I'm with you till the end"
Luke fans- They of course will disagree but because Luke and Clem have a strong bond, a lot will follow this and Kenny and Luke are contending with who Clem favours the most and it's no surprise that fans of both will hate the other character. Also, Luke is considered a "cute" guy in terms of looks, so it's no secret that girls will defend him and try to make him number 1. Harsh, but it's the reality.
Some people think that Kenny should've died in Season 1 so him coming back doesn't go well with them because they feel his time was up in Season 1 and that him being here has no purpose.
There are some who think that some blame should be on Kenny in terms of Season 2 characters not being as developed as Season 1 because his got the "spotlight" and is taking too much of the attention away but we all know that telltale aren't as motivated as they were in Season 1
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I love Kenny, just deal with it.
His plan in 203 was not going to work, i also have mixed feelings about the Larry situation. They're probably more, i just can't think right now.
Kenny is so funny, but he is a douche. I agree with you on that.
I'm assuming the more vocal Kenny fans that are more prone to disliking any anti-Kenny comment due to their refusal to accept opinions that differ from their own have either been banned or are not frequenting the forums as often.
mi·nor·i·ty
məˈnôrətē/
noun
noun: minority; plural noun: minorities
has nothing to do with being easily offended, oppressed, or complaining.
Has EVERYTHING to do with comprising LESS THAN HALF of a population.
So for example: If less than HALF of a Telltale community likes both Luke and Kenny, they are a minority.
If more than half of the TT community love Clementine, they are a majority.
Lets try this one again.
Becca-lovers are a minority in this community. People who own The Walking Dead S1 are (I assume) a majority. No need to bring thinly veiled social commentary into a discussion about a word that has a very clear meaning independent of the definition you made up for yourself.
Let me ask you a question - were you really thinking I didn't know what does "minority" mean?
Were you doing me, a complete dumbass imbecile (that must be how you view me), a service?
If so, then thank you kindly! Without your magnanimous help I would have never known what minority means!
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I don't view you as a complete dumbass imbecile, but you did state above an incorrect assumption about what the word minority means. Juice_Box is completely correct to say she is in a minority, per the definition. You pulled in a whole lot of things that have nothing to do with it.
I'm not trying to start a fight or anything of the sort, at all. I'm not trying to be condescending. I don't know you, AT ALL, and for all I know you are ESL. How would I know? I couldn't. I don't see the problem.
Well, funny you talk about assumptions, because you've made an assumption that I don't know what minority means, and went out of your way to correct me, when I didn't need it.
I wasn't using "minority" in it's vocabulary definition, and purposefully so. I am completely aware of its actual meaning and definition. You say you're not trying to be condescending, but you've perfectly managed to act like it.
Anyway, this rather pointless bickering went on for some time until...
(TWO YEARS LATER)
Gosh, I am glad I'm a fully qualified airline pilot.
I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said anything.
The British Airline Pilots Association would like to point out that it takes a chap six years to become a fully qualified airline pilot, and not two.
Well, I'm sure you had best intentions in mind. (no sarcasm)
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I had a lot of laughs reading this. I enjoy your humor, Flog. xD Also, welcome back!
Didn't really like Danny, didn't really have a sympathetic moment, this is my opinion, of course. When it comes to villains, I like villains, but I don't really enjoy evil, but because I either can find them threatening, scary, or interesting or fun to watch. I'm not saying Kenny is more likable at all, I think he's a bit of a dick, but I found him likeable in SOME WAYS and I enjoy him as a character because he's a flawed human being, I like seeing flawed characters in fiction who in some ways are gray types of characters and not 100% good or 100% evil and I LOVE that in fiction, zombies or not. I probably did miss the point, maybe, my mistake. I'm not really a Kenny lover or a Kenny hater, I'm a bit more on the fence.
It's a classic!
I don't really get why the whole "urban" remark is a big deal. It was put in for comedic relief.
Lol, me too.
What if I like Kenny and Lily? Damn, I'm such a rebel.
I think there is too many Kenny fans personally, it's just that the Luke fans are more... loud.
'You're seriously awesome'. Thank you.
I just want people to know at even though I'm a Kenny fan I still respect other people's opinions. I may crack a joke from time to time but I'm hardly ever serious.
I just wish this forum was how it used to be, y'know, the same community. What happened to respecting each other? That's why I'm not around very often.
I'm a Kenny fan through and through.
Actually no. It's a mixture of people who love different characters, people who hate Kenny, and people who don't care and take ofeences toward a character lightly and as a joke.
I still remember the time Kenny fans swarmed this place.
Yes but my point is that ALL of the characters are flawed human beings so that can't be the only reason you like Kenny more than some others
...no one is saying they don't like Kenny because he is old?
I loved pete and he was probably older! Age has nothing to do with it
how can fans change the way they like a character based on fellow fans who like the same character??? xD your all crazy! xD i love Kenny good or bad
Badman
I dislike and like them in equal measure haha
Seems less like a classic and more like a joke that stopped being funny and won't die
Because it showed he is racist?
Regardless of if its a joke or not, we can't just ignore the fact that he's saying black people know how to pick locks.
Well his plan in 203 kinda did work, even though it got people killed
haha, thank you twice!
I like Kenny, but let me get something straight here:
To be honest, I like Luke just as much as Kenny, maybe even more. Some of you Kenny fans should just grow the f**k up, I'm tired of seeing these "GODLIKE STACHE" and "boat driver for life" bullcrap comments.
there only a bit a fun though surely fans know this?it doesn't bother me,most die hard Kenny fans know hes got a lot of emotional/anger problems
Mine too xD
No, there's plenty of Kenny fans in here. But only dicks are very active about him. You know, all these "powerful stache and boat, KENNY 4EVER" people. They overshadow normal fans.
If he was truly racist, he would never be so buddy-buddy with Lee. The issue would resurface at some point. For supposedly being a racist, he treats Lee as his equal.
Seems unfair to call him a racist just because Telltale wanted to make a little joke in one scene all the way back in Episode two of season one. You're thinking into it a little too hard. It was only meant to be a laugh. Hardly incriminating evidence that Kenny is actually some sort of racist.
If you really don't want to give him the excuse though, the guy does apologize immediately and admits that what he said was stupid.
I don't like Kenny more than some others, I'm not a Kenny lover.
No, I don't think so. I think there's a set number of us Kenny fans out there. I think the number of obnoxious people who say stuff like "saltlickchrist" has gone down. but I'm a fan of Kenny. "I'm with you till the end"
Few reasons
Luke fans- They of course will disagree but because Luke and Clem have a strong bond, a lot will follow this and Kenny and Luke are contending with who Clem favours the most and it's no surprise that fans of both will hate the other character. Also, Luke is considered a "cute" guy in terms of looks, so it's no secret that girls will defend him and try to make him number 1. Harsh, but it's the reality.
Some people think that Kenny should've died in Season 1 so him coming back doesn't go well with them because they feel his time was up in Season 1 and that him being here has no purpose.
There are some who think that some blame should be on Kenny in terms of Season 2 characters not being as developed as Season 1 because his got the "spotlight" and is taking too much of the attention away but we all know that telltale aren't as motivated as they were in Season 1
Some people just generally hate him.
What, so he's one of your least favourite characters?
I'm not a Kenny lover either but I do like him more than some others e.g. Danny, Roman, Dee etc.