Jane and Luke theory
One thing I noticed, is that in the preview trailer at the end of EP3, in that scene where everyone is fighting off walkers to protect Rebecca in labour, Luke is not present and Kenny asks angrily "Where the fuck is Luke?!".
Yet in that same scene at this recent trailer, Luke is right there and helping them fight the horde off.
I wonder if Luke being there to help is going to be determinant? Is he going to ditch the group depending on how we treat him?
"I just want to survive Clem, and that means picking the right sides."
I noticed Jane isn't there either at the scene where Luke is missing, but she's there if he's also there as shown in the recent trailer.
They seem to have the same mentality of putting survival above everything.
Maybe if we treat them both badly, they end up ditching the group together? He picks what he considers the "right side", Jane's side, who seems to have the same survivalist principles as him.
We've seen how she's trying to make Clem's mind up about ditching the group...Maybe she appeals to Luke too, who she sees as a fellow survivalist.
Maybe having Nick alive or not will also play a part in this.
According to Kenny's VA, we'll change our opinion on Luke this EP: [credits LoneWolf for the image]
Another one by Gavin:
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Who's to say he isn't becoming S1 Kenny 2.0?
Interesting idea, it would definitely fix some of the whole "our choices don't matter" thing. However, he's too big of a character to be determinant and he obviously thinks of the cabin group as family. He wouldn't just up and leave after he went through so much to break them out of Carver's community.
I don't think he is gonna be determinant, I don't think either that Jane will talk to him about leaving the group. But good theory, btw.
Him just ditching the group would be going against everything we've been shown about him.
True. Plus him coming back to break his group out and save them just so he can leave them to survive on his own wouldn't make much sense. Why go through all the trouble of putting himself in danger by lack of sleep, food, and hydration with the chance of getting attacked by walkers at any moment to infiltrate a camp full of guards armed with AK-47s when he could have went out to survive on his own when his group was kidnapped? Carver wasn't going to go after Luke, he was scott-free and yet HE CHOSE to go back for his group.
i think sound was edited in the preview, so that's not what Kenny actually says in that moment.
I think it's weird too, but I'm seeing a side of him I didn't know was there before.
How he keeps playing devil's advocate and how he tells Clem "I just want to survive. And that means picking the right sides."
Which is why I think Jane would play a big part in whether he leaves or not.She's like a bad influence, with how she's trying to convince Clem to ditch them too. Maybe she manages to convince him somehow if we keep picking bad choices with Luke.
We can't assume Luke is the perfect good guy. Maybe Kenny's not the only one having internal conflicts.
What about what Carver said? Carver said that he knew that Luke would abandon them. Luke most likely has a history of running and selfishness or something.
Yeah . Telltale keeps bringing up the possibility of Luke running away at least once in every EP since A House Divided.
Remember how they said "Trust" was going to be a major theme in Season 2?
Yeah not to mention teaser trailers almost never match up with the actual episode
But Luke has come back for his group multiple times. In episode two, Nick expresses doubt that any of them are coming since it's been a day. Despite this, you find out that Luke went against Rebecca's wishes and went out to look for them (this still happens if you choose Pete). When he returns, he asks you to help him go out a second time to look for Nick. Surely lots of other people would have declared him dead and given up, but Luke didn't. And then there's the whole episode three thing where he went days without food and sleep just to help them out.
Luke definitely is not perfect but I don't think he would just leave a whole group of people behind when he's been shown to care for them a lot in the past.
Luke does have a pragmatic side to him, especially since there would be a lot of fear when they find themselves in dangerous positions (knowing that walkers would attack eventually, etc.), but he's stuck by his group in times when he could have left and not even bothered.
Luke is not perfect by any means (I can think of a few of his flaws off the top of my head) but he is the second major character in this season, so that casts doubt on any scenario where he would be determinant. I like your theory though, don't get me wrong!
Good theory, but I think it's just that the trailer at the end of episode 3 was inaccurate, and isn't actually what's going to happen in episode 4. They probably just put that line and scene there to tease us or something. I highly doubt Luke's going to be determinant, since like others have said it goes against what we've been shown of his character so far, and makes no sense with how big of a character he is. We don't even know if for sure Jane is going to leave the group yet, nor the context of Luke's line about "making the right choice".
Agreed! Luke isn't perfect but he's not just going to turn his back on the group. Considering Nick may still be alive in this scenario, he wouldn't leave his friend of twenty years behind either.
I like you! I seem to agree with a lot of your comments.
We didn't think Kenny would ever want to kill himself either because of how he acted in Season 1 and how he said he hated what Katjaa did and would never do it himself. And now here we have a depressed Kenny feeling suicidal.
People start changing once they go through so much bad stuff, you know? Luke did lose most of the original cabin group, having only Rebecca left who seems to be on a death sentence. We don't know what happens to Nick in EP4 either if he's alive.
True, pain does change people, but its difficult to place Luke's true intentions and meaning when we don't know the full context of the scene. We're not seeing all of that Clem/Luke conversation and what he has to say, so I guess we'll just have to wait in order to see what his full thoughts are.
I still have to wonder what this means...
I wonder if Kenny will also be determinant in any way.
Maybe he finally kills himself or is abandoned by the group if Clem isn't nice to him and picks Luke all the time?
Look at this suggestive tweet from Kenny's actor:
I guess Clem is pulling him back from the edge, but if she picks Luke, he kills himself.
I'm considering them both being determinant because I've seen people saying that Telltale teased we were going to lose a major character this EP
Oooh,very interesting! I hadn't seen that! So we'll change our view on Luke, huh?
So it seems there IS a side of him we haven't seen yet!
Apparently. But he also said, this "incident" isn't a huge deal so, I'm not sure what to make of it.
When his entire group is practically all dead, even with Rebecca, who is probably going to end up like TV Lori? Who knows what the fuck he's thinking now?
He said don't *assume *it's a huge deal. Gavin Hammon is extremely good at deflecting and encouraging speculation.
Objectively speaking it's not as if his chances were much better on his own ("there's nothing out there..."). One could argue he did it as much for his own survival as doing it because he cared. I admit I lean more towards he cares (or that it's both) but I wonder if there is a point where he'll put his survival above the group. The writers certainly seem to be going out of their way to keep us guessing on that front.
Precisely why I have a low trust rating with Luke >.> I had a bad feeling something like this would eventually turn up... But we shall see soon, won't we?
Hm, I hadn't thought of it that way. Well put, Night-Owl!
If telltales allow us to choose between being with Luke and Jane (if that happens) and the rest of the group. I wana go with Luke and Jane. Everyone apart from Kenny sucks in the group.
Love is in the air (?)
Yeah, I feel Kenny might also be determinant in this episode judging by his voice actor's tweet.
I'm thinking that if we pick Luke and Jane and agree to abandon him, there will be nothing to "pull him back from the edge" and he'll just off himself.
...and so is ANOTHER Luke ship apparently.
Poor Bonnie, huh?
She seems to like him but I don't think he notices it.
The major character they are referring to could be Sarita.
P I Z Z A = K E N N Y
Luke and Jane combined have 8 letters... You know what else does? ICE CREAM!!! Omg The mystery has been solved! Yoinks.
I dunno, Sarita didn't feel that major to me. She barely has lines. And we're already expecting it right, since they spoiled it?
So I doubt they meant her. Telltale likes to shock us, and Sarita's death has pretty much been accepted already
haha that's one way to look at it xD
ultimate trolltale move xD
If I'm right I'm totally asking Snow White for a job as a Fabletown detective. Bigby could use a partner! Haha