Couldn't we have killed Lily outright?
In Season 1 Episode 3, Lilly acts like a bitch and shoots Carley in the head (if you saved her before).
I was disappointed that the group didn't kill her outright. I refused to kill anyone in the game before (including the cannibals), but I thought this deserved a special exception. Yes, Carley acted stupid and should have left it to Lee, but she was one of the most likeable characters after Clementine.
It's assumed that she gets eaten by walkers, but we aren't shown it. I would be pretty pissed if she's brought back later in the story. I don't want her again in the story unless it's for a few seconds to show her half-eaten turned corpse.
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She shot Carley in season 1 episode 3 after the bandit attack.
1, way to forget Doug, also, it's Episode 3, not 2. 2, she wasn't doing it to be a bitch, she was doing it because she was paranoid and angry and grieving, and that doesn't make a good combination. She knew someone in the group was slipping supplies to the bandits, and she snapped and killed Carley when she ranted at her. Although she kills Doug by accident, when she tries to shoot Ben in the case that Doug is alive. I'm not defending her, but she doesn't deserve all the hate she gets. I liked her, especially since I helped try to save Larry, and her reaction to Lee telling her he was a murderer made me laugh, "I bet he was a dick".
Thanks, corrected.
I saved Doug..... I liked Doug more than Carley. Honestly, I don't think she deserved to be killed outright. I brought her along with me. She messed up and killed 1 person while the St Johns killed God knows how many. It shouldn't matter that you didn't know these victims, but as soon as you know the victim, someone suddenly deserves to die. I allowed the St. John's to live, because I wouldn't stoop so low, and I doubt anyone in the group wanted to become murderers.
In Doug's case it was accidental, but it certainly wasn't in Carley's case. In the conversation it appeared as if it were Ben who was trading supplies to the bandits for protection, but Carley spoke up for him. Yes, she was stupid and should have left it to Lee to handle Lilly. But it doesn't change that Lilly shot one of the most likable characters in the game after Clementine - Carley, and for no reason other than Carley insulted her.
I'd say that watching her father being brutally killed in front of her, the subsequent mental trauma, and the intense paranoia Ben caused by stealing supplies are also reasons she shot Carley. Doesn't justify her actions, but there was more to Lilly than "killing people for no other reason than because they insulted her".
As you saved Doug, you didn't face that choice.
I wouldn't call murdering someone by shooting them in the head on a whim, because they see through you and know you're a frightened little girl "messing up". That's an incredible understatement.
Everyone in the group wanted to kill her, by leaving her to be eaten by walkers. I'm just disappointed it wasn't with a gun or an axe, or just with bare hands.
Thank you.
This. This like a million times.
That's a poor excuse for murdering someone by shooting them in the head when their back is turned for insulting them.
I did see the choice on a replay, and I could honestly see where Lilly was coming from, it wasn't in the right state of mind, but in that scenario she still made a mistake. It was one huge mistake, but we shouldn't murder someone with our bare hands, that's something I could never do. By the way, it's not really implied she's eaten, because she was originally supposed to be a character from the comic, but the author wrote a different back story on the character, so Lilly is free game and could show up when/if Telltale wants her to.
It's 2014, are we STILL going to make threads about what a "bitch" Lilly is? Come on.
I will remind everyone again, as I always do when this argument comes up, that Lee Everett himself was a convicted murderer. Pre-apocalypse.
It's not an excuse, it's an attempt to explain why Lilly shot a person in the face for reasons besides just "oh, she insulted me, so I'm gonna kill her because I feel like it, lol"
Some people are playing the game for the first time. Go read another thread if you don't like it.
Yes, he's a murderer, so it's out of character to not bitch-slap Lilly and shoot her in the head.
It wasn't a mistake. It was intentional cold-blooded murder when Carley and the rest of the group had their backs turned.
Oh please. It's a silly excuse to murder someone by shooting them in the head when their back is turned for insulting them. I hope nobody insults you.
I'll be the devil's advocate and say, Lilly should've died. Cleans up the mess Kirkman started, at the very least.
Well, you kind of insulted me right now by implying that:
1) I think Lilly murdering someone was justified, which I don't.
2) I will shoot someone in the head if they insult me.
Seriously, take a chill pill. It's completely fine to hate Lilly for what she did, but that's a silly excuse to be so hostile to people who don't share your opinion.
I don't mean that her shooting was an accident, yes her intentions were clear, but like a child drawing on the wall it was a mistake (of course murder is a bigger thing). And a point in a previous comment, you said that everyone wanted to kill Lilly, they just wanted to leave her behind, even Kenny says to just leave her. Only you, the player, wanted her dead.
There's no need to get personal by imagining insults. I was just pointing out how silly the logic was.
Um it was completely clear that they were leaving her to be eaten by the walkers. Lilly even says so himself. And Lee says that he doesn't care. The rest just walk in.
Well if you didn't mean to insult me, then my apologies for jumping to conclusions. To be fair, you weren't exactly being civil and you seemed to completely miss the point of my posts, which is why I kinda lost patience.
Once again, I'm not excusing Lilly's actions. I'm simply explaining why she did what she did. The Lilly we met in episode 1 would have never just shot someone in cold blood, and there were reasons why she killed Carley/Doug, silly or not.
They just didn't want to be in the same place as someone who murdered a member, they can go on imagining that she survived so they don't have to feel guilty. And Kenny was the only one who voiced they should leave her everyone else was quiet.
id have killed her if given the chance
My point is that you're being a hypocrite for villainizing her for doing something that Lee himself did. It's out of character for him to not slightly sympathize with her. He's been in her shoes.
Yeah, Lilly's evil... [cough] Kenny killing Larry [cough].
The point being everybody has done bad things in TWD, it's what make a lot of iconic characters interesting. Moral ambiguity.
No Lily is not a bad character so what if she killed Carley/Doug that's all in the past same with Lee and Kenny it doesn't matter.
I wished we had been given the option, it would have made more sense than just leaving her as her only punishment. I think that is why I struggled with this decision so much, it is a lose or lose-lose situation.
Yeah don't kill the cannibals eating your freaking friends alive but it's justified to kill the emotionally unstable woman whose dad's head was smashed in front of her by her own group.
I can understand abandoning her, but killing her would be a bit too much. At least by just abandoning her she has the chance to achieve redemption somehow, somewhere else.
Not to mention that even if she did mess up at the end and took an innocent's life, the amount of lives she saved with her past actions cannot go unnoticed.
Like, Lee mentions in EP2 that Lily was the one who taught the whole group how to shoot and kept them on a strict training regimen the past few months they'd been at the motel. Can you imagine what the bandit raid would have turned out like if the group didn't know how to handle guns properly?
You're being silly in calling it hypocritical. Lee did not murder someone when their back was turned by shooting them in the head for insulting them. There's no similarity.
No, you're adding that they imagined that she would have survived.
There were walkers all around, and she had nothing for protection.
Lily even explicitly said that she had no chance of survival.
Lee said that he still didn't care, and the rest left her to die.
Again, what Kenny did has no relevance.
Lilly murdered Carley by shooting her in the head when her back was turned, just for insulting her. Even the person responsible for the disappearance of the supplies seemed to be Ben, not Carley.
For that, the player should have had the option to kill her. The player was given the option to kill several others for less.
The point is that the player should have had the option to kill her outright, as was the case with several other characters.
So, if you teach someone how to shoot, it's okay for you to shoot that person in the head if they insult you? Yeah, that's logical
Someone capable of rational thinking rather then letting emotions dictate his/her decision. How you respond to events in a video game like this tell a lot about what kind of person you are in real life, like the idiots on this forum downvoting everyone that do not agree with them. Have an upvote partner.
If Lilly died the governor would still be alive (in the comics)
She did murder Carley and theres no getting around that. There's no doubt she didn't have her share of trauma beforehand but she still brought being left to die on herself.
The entire reason Lily lived is to set up the comic book character Lily, but Kirkman retconned it. Personally, it would've been interesting if the option was there, but I almost find something more dark and character defining about the group just abandoning her in the woods without even a gun. It says a lot about what the worlds done to both sides, the group and Lily. Killing her would've probably just made everyone hate Lee.
One has to love how Corvan specifically REFUSES to register the perfectly legitimate explanations to Lilly's actions and the reasons for her unstable mental state. These constant "BUT BUT BUT SHE INSULTED HER, THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON! KILL HER! KILL HER! KILL HER!" assumptions really sicken me. Do you just refuse to listen to reason because you do not want to sympathize with her?
I am sorry but do you not know how the human mind works? Have you ever been clinically depressed like assumedly Kenny is in Amid The Ruins? It affects the way your mind works. It affects your actions, the way you think. You do things that you would otherwise not even think of doing.
I do not find it necessary to start explaining her once again because people have been trying to explain it to you over and over again but you do not even try to understand. You are just murderously mad because you are depressed about Carley. See?
"You think you're some tough guy, don't you? Like nothing can hurt you. But you're just like that scared little girl. Get the fuck over it. Take a page from these peoples' book and try understanding somebody for once."
Does your murderous "depression" make your intent on killing a person any more right than Lilly's actions? Does it?
I am going to assume you play the game on that impatient "if they do not suck me off the second they see me, then they are not worth my respect" kind of gameplay style. Those who sided Lilly throughout the arguments saw her good side and could tell that she is not the kind of person to kill people for no reason and could thus sympathize with her situation.
She deserves to come back. She deserves the chance to redeem herself as a character. She deserves to have her story completed. Maybe you could even get your chance to indirectly kill her like you so want to, you monster, you. Everybody wins.
Ahem. On a less verbally violent note, they did not allow you to kill her because at the time she was a character in the comics. So one could say the canon shielded her from death. So... Yeah.
But in any case, killing Carley was not justified. But killing Lilly then would not have been justified, either.
I am getting so, so sick of people going on and on and on about wanting to kill Lilly. I'm tired of it - this whole topic has been exhausted so many times that it's getting stupid.
Oh, and by the way, have you forgotten that half the characters, including the main protagonist of the first season, have killed people? What, do you wanna kill Lee? Clem?
It would do better to forget about the topic to be honest.
There was only one walker that chased her, and the dead one that Kenny killed.