Luke haters?
Before I begin, I'd just like to say I don't mind whether you like him or not and my intention is definitely not to change your opinion on him. I am merely curious about some of the accusations levied against him and would like an explanation, if you would be so kind that is.
One argument I see is that Luke hates Kenny and is constantly trying to oust him from the group. I've never seen Luke show hate towards Kenny and I've never seen him say he wants Kenny gone. In S2E3, I remember Luke actually wanted to wait a few days until everyone is in better condition but reminds everyone who is insisting they leave that night that an unconscious Kenny would slow them down and ultimately get them killed.
Another point I see people raise is that he's "constantly" leaving the group. This is an unfair accusation considering we know very little in context and he's only done it once.
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I agree, Luke is a great character just like Kenny there's no need to hate on him.
Most of the people who 'hate' Luke are just trolls and are best ignored.
They're both great characters, anyway.
EDIT: Ah, my first great comment with multiple downvotes. BRING IT.
can you give an example please on why you don't like him? instead of just saying he "sucks"
LukeSucks
I love Luke. I don't mind if people don't like him, you don't have to like everybody, but it does seem like people reach for reasons to hate him. Most of them don't really make sense.
Why? Is it because he's a threat to your little Kenny? I love Kenny too, but you're being ridiculous.
Most people who hate luke think he's a pedophile for some reason. People are weird
Why does Luke get branded a paedophile while Kenny and Lee aren't? I don't mean to sound like I'm accusing you of believing that or anything aha!
Edit: I don't actually think any of them are "paedophiles" and I think it's childish to accuse any of the main characters of being one.
I like how almost everyone that's commented on this thread earlier has gotten exactly 7 dislikes...
But I agree with you OP. I'm a fan of Luke's character, and I honestly don't care if others aren't, since everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but it has become really annoying when people constantly bring up the exact same arguments against him. Especially since most of these arguments don't really hold anything definitive as a reason to dislike him. And I'm tired of seeing people just say things along the lines "Luke sucks" but nothing to really back their opinion, or going to lengths of just plain hating on his character to the point of making threads or posts dedicated to it. It's fine if you don't like a character, but jumping at every chance to hate on them is pretty rude to fans that actually like said character, and is just plain immature.
This! I understand people interpret things differently and have differing opinions to each other, it's one of the many things that make us human. It's just most arguments against Luke, like you said, don't really make sense.
From the mouth of the great Espurr, lol.
Can't aggree with you more.
There's a lot of picking and choosing to be honest.
The exact same happens to Kenny too, were people say Luke sucks and bring up how he leaves the group and dropped Clem
but completely ignore that he saved her and did back her up with Pete outside the lodge.
People look at the worst before they look at the best.
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It's not that I dislike Luke, he's more of a 'meh' for me. It's just, I really don't get why people like him. Like at all.
TeamBonnie
Yeah, I think the same about Kenny. Just don't understand it but hey, yknow, people are different and we should respect that as long as their reasons are sound.
I still consider Luke as a "stranger" to the group. Never liked him.
Just because he had a few more conversations with Clem than the others, doesn't make him equal to Kenny or Lee.
He did nothing to the group, he got a chance to prove himself in episode 3 and failed. What do you expect from a guy like him?
I just don't like him.
I don't say he is a bad character, poorly written or boring. I actually warmed up a little in Episode 3, how much he would sacrifice to get them out. Then he said we should leave Kenny, and I cooled down a little again.
I have no reasons. Why would I? You don't need a reason to not like someone. That would be as if you said:
'Hey, you, you now like this guy!'
Something about him, whatever it is, I don't like. Kenny, for example, I do like. Because I like him. Luke I don't.
I like him. He may not get shit done like Kenny, but he seems capable.
I find Luke's character super fascinating--I've theorized that he's meant to be a deconstructed classic ideal hero archetype. His design (Flynn Rider much), his morals ("don't kill dogs, don't kill villains"), and even his machete ("sword") invoke a classic hero image, but his introduction, in which he rescues Clementine, only to drop her on the ground, represent who he is. You can't be the "hero" for very long in the TWDG universe, it's just not that simple. His existence, his unintentionally pragmatic decisions and his poor planning and his mistakes, are all meant to tell us that. He's going to take a dark turn and I look forward to see that arc unfold.
I think the unbalanced dynamic between him and Nick is fascinating because I appreciate a narrative in which the "best friends" aren't 100% supportive, I find that realistic, but the way he condescends Nick constantly throughout episodes 2 and 3 does get on my nerves. That's the biggest reason I've gotten annoyed with Luke. Also his tendency to force Clementine into situations she doesn't necessarily want to do doesn't sit well with me either.
I disagree on that Kennyhate- part tho
Yeah, ignore people who have a different opinion than your own. Good plan m8 (sarcasm)
Great analysis. Luke is a charismatic and persuasive guy, but it seems as if he is using others to further his own agenda. People do not realize it due to his charm.
Luke knows how to display empathy without revealing any personal information. For example, one dialogue option in the cabin prompted him to state that "he lost family". However, he provided a general, surface description, unlike Nick who explained in detail the motivation for his actions, and the initial suspicions he had of Clementine.
Please do correct me if my interpretation is wrong, but all of the cabin inhabitants gave specific reasons for their actions towards Clementine. These reasons made them more relatable to us. Luke seems to be...observing, waiting to see what will happen.
I am paraphrasing what another poster wrote on his/her blog: Luke prefers the safer option for himself. He does what it is necessary to avoid conflict yet positions himself as a hero. He desires the accolades and adoration, sans the associated responsibilities. He prefers controlling the outcomes (i.e., limiting any negative repercussions) in order to remain the hero he believes he must become.
I know that many posters think the world of Luke, but we should keep in mind:
His lack of support towards Nick, as you have stated. Rather than help him in his time of need, he asked Clementine to watch over Nick. Later, after realizing who Matthew was, he wanted Clementine and Nick to use deceit towards Walter. And, if Nick is alive in Episode 3, Luke admonished him for showing doubt about "becoming a walker": Clementine can do it (a little girl), why can't you (an adult male)?
His disappearance when Carver appeared. The outcome of the encounter might have been different had he been there to assist Kenny. Kenny had no idea who was dealing with at the time. Had he known, Carver may have been Kenny's first target.
His suggestion to "bide our time" after he was captured. Despite being crushed emotionally and physically, the majority of the "prisoners" wanted to leave, and Bonnie was willing to leave with them. The approaching "storm" of walkers was to be used to their advantage. But, Luke insisted on staying, healing and resting, with the belief that Bonnie could help out another time. That thinking is an example of poor planning...Carver was a savvy man, and he (and other "guards") would have been anticipating the group to act again, and would have watched everyone more intently. I would not be surprised if he was biding his time, predicting when Luke would have returned. Set a trap and the snare would be sprung...
Related to "his poor planning", which direction would he have led the group if everyone did make it to the mountains? Why did he initially lead the group to an area within the travel radius of Carver's community? With someone such as Carver, it would be more prudent to put as much distance as possible between yourselves.
As an extension of "his poor planning", and to follow up on Nick's comment, how does one drive a business into the ground in six months? A year or two sounds plausible, but to do so in such a short period of time is puzzling...and speaks volumes about the people involved.
He seems to be driven by the idea of being recognized, thereby elevating his status as a "hero". On the way back to Carver's community, Rebecca refuted the idea that Luke had forsaken the group. But, we saw a few seeds of dissension forming at the ski lodge: Luke is not keen on Kenny's plan concerning Wellington, possibly because it sounds better. Which means, the group's focus would be on Kenny, not "the knight in shining armor". Given Kenny's current state, Luke may have a prime opportunity to persuade others, namely Clementine, to follow him.
His reaction (or lack of convincing empathy) towards Rebecca concerning Alvin, and his subsequent stand against her command. She wanted Carver dead; Luke balked at the idea. Granted, Sarita and Carlos were in opposition, but understood what must be done. However, Luke still could not grasp how Carver had affected the group.
He has not (yet) apologized for withholding the truth about Carver. But, this could be directed to all of the cabin group.
He is an interesting character (much like everyone in this season so far), a complicated one to say the least. TTG has excelled in creating another polarizing character that has divided its fan base. I am abstaining judgement on him since there is more to come from Luke. I, too, look forward to how we (as Clementine) react towards his true self.
He's pointing his gun at Clem in the promo images for episode 4.
First of all, I like both characters (Kenny and Luke) and would like to understand the Luke hate a little more.
One reason I heard from another user is because there are a lot of true Kenny fans out there who see Luke kind of like a threat to Kenny in a way and try and find ways to bash Luke's character to up Kenny's more. There is such an argument as the one where Luke haters say that Luke sucks because he dropped Clem although clearly it was instinctive from thinking she had a walker bite. (This reason is probably controversial but I believe there's a speck of truth to it.)
There are definitely more reasons to the Luke hate. It might be as simple as people just not liking him or his actions or what he says. In my view, I don't see any reason to hate him.
Luke is great character? Why? What has he done ever, that we would say "WoW Luke", "Holyshit Luke". He's girlish and unintresting character. He's too nice for this game.
Chasing down the group for a long while without food or even sleeping
I'm kinda neutral with Luke. Here's my quick episode by episode thoughts about him.
Episode 1- Right off the bat I was drawn more to Pete than Luke. Pete was being a lot more kind and reasonable about the whole dog bite situation and Luke didn't trust me at all. That conversation with him at the table later in the episode was nice, though.
Episode 2- Liked him for the most part. Although I didn't like that disappointed look he gave me for sitting with Kenny. Thought it was pretty immature for a guy who has only known me for a few days to be upset about me sitting with an old friend whom I had just found out is still alive.
Episode 3- That radio plan sure did fail horribly. Didn't appreciate him suggesting we leave Kenny behind. Aannnd it really bothered me that he was against killing Carver. If we left him alive, he'd probably just come after the group again eventually. Although he likely would've just been killed during that walker herd attack, but still. Better to be 100% sure.
I think in general, my main problem with Luke is the fact that we're three episodes in and I still don't know anything about him. He still kinda feels like a stranger to me. Still, he's a pretty nice kid most of the time.
But for those of you curious about others' viewpoints, here you go.
So, there's my thoughts on him. If you're a Luke fan, then awesome! I can still see why others love him.
That's a terrible reason. You hate him because he isn't Lee or Kenny. You also hate him because he didn't save the group in Episode 3. Tell me this then, do you really think that Lee or Kenny could sneak into Carver's camp and save the group? They get hungry too.
I do respect the normal people who don't like Luke (or Kenny for that matter) but the trolls are different.
I was implying we simply ignore the trolls and not the others, for they are entitled to their opinion.
Thanks for typing this up, I was way too tired when I wrote up my last reply to go into much detail. But basically everything you said I fully agree with.
agree with @EpicMustacheGuy there is just something that tries to be nicer than nice about Luke,while Kenny is no nonsense straight forward,no hidden agenda you always get the impression there may be more to Luke.
Yes, I really think that Lee or Kenny can sneak into Carver's camp and save the group.
Just to remind you that Lee survived a horde of zombies alone just to save Clem (in episode 5), although he was BITTEN and with one arm.
And Kenny Sacrificed himself to rescue Christa (or Ben, depending on your choices) and still survived.
And here we got this guy called "Luke" that all of a sudden got a fan base from nowhere.
Now can you please tell me what he actually did for the group?
In my opinion, It's really a shame to compare Luke with Kenny.
I wonder if we'd known luke since season 1 instead of kenny, it would change people's opinions. Because for some, just having kenny in the game longer makes him a favorite. Which isn't a bad thing, just in some ways a little unfair since they both have their flaws.
"Everyone in this season is interesting so far"
I beg to differ.
Zombies are different from people. People are smart, and they have guns. Zombies do not carry guns. (In The walking Dead, at least.) Plus, Lee and Kenny were only in the horde for probably little more then ten minutes.
"What did Luke ever do for the group?"
Let's see here, so I believe that he helped Clementine cross the bridge in Episode 2, and she would likely be dead without his help. He has likely off-screen saved the cabin group's asses before. You know, he could have left Clementine in the woods to die, also, but he didn't, despite the look of her being bitten.
"This guy Luke got a fan base from nowhere." And what the fuck does that even mean?
Damn these twilight-esque "teams" and "sides" to hell
Did you even play S2E2? Clem is the one that saved Luke's ass on the bridge.
"He has likely off-screen saved the cabin group's asses" Are you fucking serious? off-screen? What kind of bullshit is this?
Luke did nothing for the group. Nothing. Just deal with it.
I'm done arguing with you.