that too. I liked how alpha she was, but it seemed really kind of out of character for her to just run off and not help Clem/Lee without Clem begging for it.
No one has ever said Kenny is perfect. Everyone has made mistakes and done the wrong things. That's life.
But Kenny does MOST of the bad t… morehings if you don't side with him. You can side with Luke, yet he still takes off and doesn't even have respect to tell you where his been. If his foiled a plan i.e the walkie talkies, then shouldn't he tell the group where he took off to? Remember Kenny saying to Lee "Important to stay honest with each other"? What gives Luke the right to take off and thencome back like he never went away?
It wasn't really Kenny's fault that Carlos got killed or Sarita got bittten, Carlos got killed because he couldn't keep his mouth shut and S… morearita got bit because there's walkers in every direction, you're most likely going to get bit. Saving Beatrice would of been incredibly stupid as she's screaming out loud attracting walkers, not to mention she had a whole crowd of walkers coming after her, the only rational thing to do was to shoot Beatrice and end her suffering, Kenny's plan to leave her wasn't the most rational thing to do, but it's not a terrible plan, as it would of given you time to get supplies for the group and yourself, keep in mind, Lily and Larry would thought you should of just left the teacher to get eaten and suffer in episode 2, so Kenny's not the only one to leave people behind, it's the apocalypse, no one is going to be 100% rational or goody two shoes.
I like Molly and I'm gay, so she isn't just popular because she's attractive.
Plus, you're assuming the entire fanbase is heterosexual men or homosexual women for an assumption like that to be true.
I don't hate either of them in the slightest. I love Kenny, he's a broken man in a broken world whose main ideals are always about family. I love Luke, we haven't been able to get to know him much but he seems like a real nice guy that also cares for Clem. I see absolutely no reason to hate either one of them. Even if I do prefer Kenny, I still find Luke to easily be one of my favorite characters.
And you're right, Kenny does have flaws and makes mistakes, like every other character (except Carley). The problem is that you're downplaying those flaws, brushing them off like they aren't a big deal.
You know, it’s fine to support Kenny, I personally find his character really interesting because he makes me feel so many emotions (rage, pity, respect, etc.). But posts like this really irritate me because it is baffling how transparently biased it is.
First off, you’re trying to find faults in Luke where they don’t exist. and completely ignore the good things he's done. He DOES tell you where he’s been; in the wilderness, following the group back to Carver’s community. What else did you want him to tell you? His exact geographic coordinates? “Where have you been?” “Oh, that dirt path by the trees besides those other trees.”
"What gives Luke the right to take off and then come back like he never went away?"
You can ask him where the hell he’s been all this time, to which he’ll actually apologize for taking so long to get to you.
And I honestly don’t get why you feel the need to do this. Luke has plenty of flaws already that twisting the truth or omitting information isn’t necessary if you want to criticise him. Why not mention how patronizing he is towards Nick? How he doesn’t want to kill Carver (which is pretty stupid) and is idealistic to a fault?
And here's the laundry list of bad things Kenny does if you side with him:
-Shows little to no remorse after killing Larry outside of a brief knee-jerk reaction apology, and is unnecessarily hostile towards Lilly, who he knows has just gone through a horrible traumatic event.
-Holds a teenager completely responsible for his family’s death, ignoring the fact that he is partly to blame as well (he did nothing to protect Duck and Kat during the bandit assault, and he did nothing to help Katjaa when she needed emotional support while their son was dying)
-Goads Lee into murdering said teenager.
-Threatens said teenager with death multiple times.
-Has absolutely no qualms with leaving Omid to die.
-Decides that needlessly staying behind with Ben is more important than escaping the alley so he can save Clementine.
-Wants to murder Vernon for stealing the boat and claims that “we wouldn’t leave good people to die!”, despite the fact that the only reason Vernon stole the boat was because Kenny was planning to leave his group to die in zombie-infested Savannah.
Sorry, but Kenny does a ton of bad things no matter what, even if you side with him. The only difference is that he doesn’t do bad things to YOU. I do believe that Kenny's a good man at heart, but you can't ignore the magnitude of his mistakes. You can't just brush off his mistakes with a quick "oh, everybody makes mistakes."
And this isn’t directed specifically at you, but is it really that difficult to accept that both Kenny and Luke have valid flaws? That it isn’t necessary to desperately grasp at straws and MAKE UP flaws? That you can support or like a character without having to downplay their weaknesses and acting like they're flawless saints?
No one has ever said Kenny is perfect. Everyone has made mistakes and done the wrong things. That's life.
But Kenny does MOST of the bad t… morehings if you don't side with him. You can side with Luke, yet he still takes off and doesn't even have respect to tell you where his been. If his foiled a plan i.e the walkie talkies, then shouldn't he tell the group where he took off to? Remember Kenny saying to Lee "Important to stay honest with each other"? What gives Luke the right to take off and thencome back like he never went away?
If anyones said Kenny is perfect then they're not right in the head. No one is perfect, yes not even the cute Luke is not perfect, neither is Lee or Clementine but they still are great characters. Minus Luke off course IMO.
Well if Carley isn't chosen in episode 1, she made the mistake by not keeping extra ammo with her but i guess that's a different story.
I actually have said that certain mistakes he has done are wrong i.e him leaving Shawn to get eaten by walkers. I didn't know i had to state every mistake his made seeing how no one asked me.
I never said Luke hasn't done anything good, im pointing out his flaws, and i did say that him and Clem have a good relationship together, is that not a good thing is it? Would him smashing Clem in the back of the head like Troy did with a gun be more suitable?
Like i said, if he did it only once, then i'd be fine but his done it how many times now? 2 times? And how do we know his speaking the truth? We weren't with him. So how do we know? We're only going by trust,no?
I don't want him to say sorry, i want to know why he took off and lefted the group. First time the group was held at gunpoint with certain characters being killed and he just takes off and people actually forgive him for saying sorry? Sorry is not going to bring those characters who died back is it?
Nick and Luke are good friends, and as you have seen at times, they are very good with each other. Friendships and relationships are never perfect. And i couldn't care how he felt about Carver, Kenny killed the guy so why would i care what Luke thinks?
Haha you just contradicted yourself there. I call Luke out on leaving the group and you say "He says his sorry" and that's alright, but when Kenny says sorry for killing Larry, that's not alright? Nice one. Kenny didn't want to do it, you can see the look in his eyes after he does, he didn't want to take the risk if Larry DID turn.
What? By having an argument with her about staying at the motel? lol, he actually does agree with her at the end of the conversation saying it ain't getting easier, right?
The fact remains that had Ben not made a deal with the bandits, it wouldn't of happened + Ben even admits it was his fault so your argument is invalid with that one. And how it Kenny partial to blame? He was trying to get the RV running while Lee and Carely were fighting off bandits/walkers. That's like blaming Lee for Ben and Kennys (supposed) deaths in the alley way because he just stood there and watched when he couldn't open the gate.
With those 2 about Ben, if someone was the reason your son and wife/husband was killed, how would you react? It might be easy for you to say you wouldn't say that on here,but imagine if it was real life? You don't get those people back and they were killed from something that could've been avoided.
Yeah, that one was harsh.
Are you serious? Ben was dying, and his one wish was to not let the walkers get him. Kenny helped Ben. He also said for Lee to go get Clementine because he knew that Lee and Clem being together was more important.
The boat wasn't big enough to hold that many people, it was even able to hold the group that Lee was in. So, how is it Kennys fault the boat wasn't bigger enough? Even if you're nice with Vernon, he still robs the boat. What good is in that? So it's alright for Vernon and his group to take the boat and let Lees group die but Kenny doing it isn't? Also Vernon is a hypocrite. Saying Clem would be better with him. And Lee can agree and he steals the boat and takes off? Great.
You should really not put words in peoples mouth. 1: I never said nothing effected me. I've had to do the silent treatment a few times because shit turns into an argument i.e end of the LILY/KENNY conversation in EP3. When we find out there are no boats. Also no matter how well you like him, he'll still be a bitch when his drunk and on the train.
They bot do, i never said Kenny didn't and when did i ever say he was perfect? I didn't start this whole pizza vs ice cream thing. Maybe if people enjoyed the game and not trash talk other characters it would be right but when someone does, hey, aren't i aloud to stick up for my character i like? Luke fans are just as bad fyi.
No one has ever said Kenny is perfect? I wish...
And you're right, Kenny does have flaws and makes mistakes, like every other character… more (except Carley). The problem is that you're downplaying those flaws, brushing them off like they aren't a big deal.
You know, it’s fine to support Kenny, I personally find his character really interesting because he makes me feel so many emotions (rage, pity, respect, etc.). But posts like this really irritate me because it is baffling how transparently biased it is.
First off, you’re trying to find faults in Luke where they don’t exist. and completely ignore the good things he's done. He DOES tell you where he’s been; in the wilderness, following the group back to Carver’s community. What else did you want him to tell you? His exact geographic coordinates? “Where have you been?” “Oh, that dirt path by the trees besides those other trees.”
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"why should i trust someone who keeps taking off and doesn't explain themselves?"
I was happy to ignore this until I read the last sentence. Luke has taken off ONCE. Not numerous times as you implied in your last sentence. Why didn't he explain himself? Because he has had no time between getting caught, making plans and finally escaping.
It's safe to assume the reason he "took off" was because he was making preparations to track carvers group.
I said Pete and Luke, not just Luke.
There were Walkers walking all around the house, They should've know that one could stumble upon Clem… moreentine.
Read again, i said When does Kenny leaving Shawn make it a good thing? It wasn't, Kenny should've helped just like Luke shouldn't off dropped Clementine.
And who's fault is that? HIS. He was the one who decided to take off, no one forced him to leave. You can think what you want but i honestly feel nothing for his character. Nick is more interesting then Luke. And besides, why should i trust someone who keeps taking off and doesn't explain themselves?
Sorry, I'm not quite sure if we know what we're arguing about anymore. I never said you said Kenny was perfect, I simply had a problem with how you said "Kenny mostly does bad if you don't side with him", and then explained why I thought that statement was inaccurate.
Also, disliking Luke for "abandoning the group" isn't fair. He left them because he knew he was outnumbered and outgunned. He already had experience escaping Carver's community, so he realized that the best plan to save the group would be to head back to the community. And you're going to blame Luke for the people who died in the lodge? If anything, Carver's the most blame for, y'know, shooting Walter, and then Kenny's next on the list for randomly shooting Carver's people even if Clementine warns him that doing that is a stupid idea that will get the others killed.
Just so we're clear, I'm not saying Luke is flawless or doesn't make mistakes. I'm saying that the mistake you accuse him of, "abandoning" the group and not telling Clem where he's been, are not reasons to dislike him. He had a reason not to join the group at the lodge, and he actually DID tell Clem where he's been; following the group back to the community.
In fact, I mentioned Luke's dysfunctional friendship with Nick and his unwillingness to kill Carver because THOSE are far more valid reasons to dislike Luke. And I mentioned Luke apologizing not to compare him to Kenny, but because you were giving him shit for not telling you where he's been. Except that he totally DOES tell you where he's been.
And Luke fans are just as bad? Let's not making sweeping generalizations...
Well if Carley isn't chosen in episode 1, she made the mistake by not keeping extra ammo with her but i guess that's a different story.
I … moreactually have said that certain mistakes he has done are wrong i.e him leaving Shawn to get eaten by walkers. I didn't know i had to state every mistake his made seeing how no one asked me.
I never said Luke hasn't done anything good, im pointing out his flaws, and i did say that him and Clem have a good relationship together, is that not a good thing is it? Would him smashing Clem in the back of the head like Troy did with a gun be more suitable?
Like i said, if he did it only once, then i'd be fine but his done it how many times now? 2 times? And how do we know his speaking the truth? We weren't with him. So how do we know? We're only going by trust,no?
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1st, commenting on what you said about real friends.
Yes, a REAL FRIEND, will tell you the truth, even when it's hard to hear.
A REAL FRIEND will have your back, even when things are tight.
And a REAL FRIEND, is willing to give his life to protect you.
If you have a friend like that, treasure their friendship like it is gold.
Second, I would also choose Kenny over Luke.
While Luke seems to be a nice guy, I have to wonder, if Clementine's ass was on the line, would he be there for her?
While he obviously likes Clementine, and wants to see her do well, Luke just doesn't strike me as a reliable person.
Kenny, on the other hand, has proven himself a dozen times.
In my game, he saved Lee back at the drugstore.
He backed Lee up against Danny St John.
He helped search for Clementine, even when I had Lee volunteer to go alone.
And he pushed Lee back to safety, after I had the latter refuse to abandon him in the alleyway, when Ben was trapped.
And as far as Clementine.
He tried to rescue the group, back at the lodge.
He trusted her with highly important tasks, when it came to the groups escape.
And he protected her from a horrendous beating.
Despite his short temper; and other flaws, Kenny has proven himself to be a genuine friend.
As he once said so eloquently once to Lee, "You've always been there for me Lee. Always had my back when it mattered. What kinda friend would I be, if I wasn't there for you now? Bitten or not, I'm with you to the end. You can count on me."
That's how he did towards Lee, and that's how he's done towards Clementine.
He has thus earned such loyalty!
And that's why I'll have Clementine, "Stick with him, to the end."
I cannot stand Luke vs. Kenny anymore. All people do is bring back S1 shit of Kenny doing bad things. That was like what, 2 years ago?
I don't get why people just can't be happy. Kenny is a douche, we all are aware of that. So just stop. This is the same shit that has been said numerous times.
No, Kenny won't do the right thing for others. he does the right thing for himself
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We'v… moree seen Kenny make decisions that are selfish and not compassionate, In Ep.3 HE wanted to leave Beatrice on the street just so HE could get food easier. In ep 2 HE wanted to kill Larry even though we was breathing. In EP 3 he wanted to leave behind Lilly because. In EP 4 he wanted Lee to drop Ben. S2E2 HE wanted Clem's group gone just so he could have her to himself, S2E3 HE calls Luke a flake and a turd and says he cant be trusted, just because he didn't surrender. S2E3 Kenny wanted to brutally torture Carver for his own pleasure when the group needed to leave.
Lilly was broken, and what did Kenny say "Leave her on the road". Kenny would be doing the exact same thing as Luke if he was in his position.
So people have to reasons on why they dislike someone? That's kind of stupid.
Jane hasn't done anything bad, but she's obnoxious. That's how i feel. I don't have to have "valid reasons" behind it.
Kenny is a douche. I don't need valid reasons behind that.
Luke has man titties and cannot tell a lurker bite from a dog bite from a mosquito bite. i don't need valid reasons behind that.
This isn't a test in school, people don't have to explain their opinions. I know people have dumb reasons on why they hate Luke, but who cares? Let them think what they want.
Also why do you have problems with people that have invalid reasons? Other people's opinions should not be a problem. People can think what they want, they don't need to write a book on why they don't like something.
Oh good one of these again.
I've said it like 5 times already but I'll say it again, r.e. your luke points:
He doesn't want to put cle… morem in the shed. Him and pete stick up for you, twice if you listen in on the kitchen conversation.
He dropped Clem in the heat of the moment, out of shock. Just like Kenny ran away from Shawn while he was dying in shock in the heat of the moment.
Kenny is also fine with Clem going to get the walkie talkies, and Luke suggests that her group gets them, not that she specifically gets them.
I have 0 problem with people disliking Luke for reasons that are valid, but the most popular ones, such as those you gave, are commonly used by Kenny fans who are trying to come up with reasons why Luke is bad rather than actually thinking them, because they feel Kenny is under threat from him.
Exactly, we know that Kenny is a good man and that he will ultimately do the right thing and help his loved ones.
Luke has shown selfishn… moreess at every turn. We are supposed to like him because of his charm but he hasn't done anything heroic since saving Clem with Pete in episode 1, which is when we met him. For all we know, Luke could have wanted to ditch her and Pete made him save Clem.
The official description for the next episode makes it seem like we really need to decide who our friends are, so I'm sticking with Kenny.
No one has ever said Kenny is perfect? I wish...
And you're right, Kenny does have flaws and makes mistakes, like every other character… more (except Carley). The problem is that you're downplaying those flaws, brushing them off like they aren't a big deal.
You know, it’s fine to support Kenny, I personally find his character really interesting because he makes me feel so many emotions (rage, pity, respect, etc.). But posts like this really irritate me because it is baffling how transparently biased it is.
First off, you’re trying to find faults in Luke where they don’t exist. and completely ignore the good things he's done. He DOES tell you where he’s been; in the wilderness, following the group back to Carver’s community. What else did you want him to tell you? His exact geographic coordinates? “Where have you been?” “Oh, that dirt path by the trees besides those other trees.”
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You have a good point about Luke. Reading your discussion makes me think that having Clem side with Luke is only going to put her in more danger than if she sided with Kenny. I only hope to be able to bring all those points you mentioned to light in the game.
By mistakes, I was referring to something that actually carried some weight, had consequences, or was just plot relevant. No offense to Carley fans, but I kind of found Carley boring because she has absolutely no notable flaws or problems to speak of.
Kenny is rash and only looks out for his family, Doug has low self-esteem, Lilly is abrasive and mentally unstable, Katjaa is suicidal, Molly is independent to a fault, Christa finds it hard to trust people, Ben is Ben... and Carley can't put batteries in. Meh.
I like Kenny but if you don't agree with him he gets angry with you and he's annoying sometimes. Remember in 'No Time Left' if you don't always agree with him he doesn't go with you to save Clementine.
I like Kenny but if you don't agree with him he gets angry with you and he's annoying sometimes. Remember in 'No Time Left' if you don't always agree with him he doesn't go with you to save Clementine.
Too be honest with you, if you side with him he does less bad stuff then if you don't. That's true yes? I never said if you side with he NEVER does anything bad. As i said, No one asked me to state them. If you wanted me to, i would've.
I don't hate the character, i never said "HATE" i just haven't grown on him. It happens with every character, some like them, some don't. Im sorry, but that's just stupid. How did he think he was going to help the group by ditching them? He would've been caught anyway. The point is that he ditched the group when they were in a crisis. IMO, that doesn't make him trustworthy because if the chips are down again, will he ditch the group again ? Read again, i never said Luke is to blame i said that when people were being killed he just takes off and then comes back days later with a sorry? Remember, you said Kenny sorrys to Lily was not acceptable, so what makes Luke alright?
And Kenny went overboard with the killing that guy in Carvers group. Even when he knew he was outnumbered.
I don't trust the guy. And how do we know for sure that his telling the truth? Again, i said it's all a matter of trust. When the guy really tells us why he left, then i'll believe him.
And i agreed with you on some points Kenny did that was bad. And no, to me they're not because 1: Nick and Luke are good friends when they're not arguing and i told you not every, relationship/friendship is perfect and 2: Kenny killed Carver so i don't really care if Luke thought it was a good idea or not.
He says he was following the group, how do we know that's true? And i can't even remember what his excuse was for leaving them at the lodge? Wasn't it just a sorry?
Ummmm, have you not seen them on here? Calling Luke a cutie, downvoting people who don't agree with them. Childish don't you think?
Sorry, I'm not quite sure if we know what we're arguing about anymore. I never said you said Kenny was perfect, I simply had a problem with … morehow you said "Kenny mostly does bad if you don't side with him", and then explained why I thought that statement was inaccurate.
Also, disliking Luke for "abandoning the group" isn't fair. He left them because he knew he was outnumbered and outgunned. He already had experience escaping Carver's community, so he realized that the best plan to save the group would be to head back to the community. And you're going to blame Luke for the people who died in the lodge? If anything, Carver's the most blame for, y'know, shooting Walter, and then Kenny's next on the list for randomly shooting Carver's people even if Clementine warns him that doing that is a stupid idea that will get the others killed.
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Twice according to the trailer of episode 4. His not seen with the group in a picture, BUT if he is there then ill take back what i said but he takes off and then comes back and says sorry? Cheap. No, but he had time to start spacing out because of his "lack of sleep". Isn't their an option for Clem to ask where his been and he still doesn't even tell her? Great trust there.
LOL, keep dreaming. He had plenty of time to make plans yet he still got busted. But, im sure there's always an excuse. The fact is, his only got himself to blame for being "tired". He shouldn't off ditched the group.
"why should i trust someone who keeps taking off and doesn't explain themselves?"
I was happy to ignore this until I read the last sen… moretence. Luke has taken off ONCE. Not numerous times as you implied in your last sentence. Why didn't he explain himself? Because he has had no time between getting caught, making plans and finally escaping.
It's safe to assume the reason he "took off" was because he was making preparations to track carvers group.
Ummmm? That first bit was dumb.
I I mentioned the gay/straight thing because the person above mentioned they were gay. I could've called him a faggot but i decided to be more respectful. Goes to show, if you're nice you get no where.
Too be attractive, people must think you're attractive. You could be the fittest guy in the world but if you live in a place that people go for someone whos not fit, then you won't be considered attractive. It's all in peoples taste and i've lived by the rule that "It doesn't matter how many people think you're attractive, as long as you think you look good, then you feel good".
I've seen more assholes blend in with the crowds then nice guys mate. And you know why? Because women don't like nice guys because they're too boring and obsessive. They want excitement and fun a challenge/mystery about a guy. A nice guy has no mystery or challenge because he throws himself at the women. You might not want to agree with that but deep down you know it's true. Why do you think most nice guys always complain they're friendzoned or fucked around?
So all the people saying Molly is hot/pretty and all the girls saying Luke is cute has no impact on a characters popularity? Seems legit. So in reality, by your logic, Justin Bieber makes great music and him being attractive to girls has no influence? Ok.
Er, being attractive isn't just something that appeals to people who are sexually attracted to that particular sex. Stop talking about gay/s… moretraight because it doesn't matter, if you're an attractive person you have an easier time socially with most people, regardless of their gender or orientation. Just a fact of life. It's not everything of course, if you act like an asshole you'll still alienate a lot of people, but all other things being the same.
Edit: I should say I'm not agreeing that's why people like her, just saying that who you want to bang isn't really relevant and there are probably better angles of arguing (or just saying you think he's wrong).
To be honest, clem should have left right after she got her arm fixed.... Would have been easier for her, right? And at this pont, I don't really trust luke or kenny.
If by the trailer, you mean the part where Kenny says: "where the Fuck is luke?" Then may I ask you how long Luke has been gone for in that particular episode? He was spacing out for literally a few seconds and even then, he wasn't on the right state of mind to answer anything. I wouldn't know since I didn't choose that dialogue choice but asking questions and having them avoided seems to be a reoccurring theme this season (like asking Kenny how the hell he got out of the walker horde.) He knew getting captured would have done the group no good and he wasn't going to follow Kennys plan since ot went against everything he believes in (also the fact Kennys plan failed abysmally and he knew how carver would react.)
Twice according to the trailer of episode 4. His not seen with the group in a picture, BUT if he is there then ill take back what i said but… more he takes off and then comes back and says sorry? Cheap. No, but he had time to start spacing out because of his "lack of sleep". Isn't their an option for Clem to ask where his been and he still doesn't even tell her? Great trust there.
LOL, keep dreaming. He had plenty of time to make plans yet he still got busted. But, im sure there's always an excuse. The fact is, his only got himself to blame for being "tired". He shouldn't off ditched the group.
Well i just played the episode and it answered my question, but there is something else that he does that is wrong as well but i won't tell you.
So you're comparing Kenny and Luke when 1 escaped from an alley way of walkers where as the other one ditches the group for no reason? Kenny took the risk, it was foiled because Luke got caught and what did taking off do for him? Nothing, he got tired and hungry and he fucked up the plan.
If by the trailer, you mean the part where Kenny says: "where the Fuck is luke?" Then may I ask you how long Luke has been gone for in that … moreparticular episode? He was spacing out for literally a few seconds and even then, he wasn't on the right state of mind to answer anything. I wouldn't know since I didn't choose that dialogue choice but asking questions and having them avoided seems to be a reoccurring theme this season (like asking Kenny how the hell he got out of the walker horde.) He knew getting captured would have done the group no good and he wasn't going to follow Kennys plan since ot went against everything he believes in (also the fact Kennys plan failed abysmally and he knew how carver would react.)
You realise I wasn't replying to you and I was agreeing with the general idea of your post right? The post I am now replying to is extremely misinformed and foolish, apart from the bit about attractiveness possibly being a factor. And the bit about self-confidence making you feel good but I think that's pretty obvious.The rest of it is just... no.
Ummmm? That first bit was dumb.
I I mentioned the gay/straight thing because the person above mentioned they were gay. I could've called hi… morem a faggot but i decided to be more respectful. Goes to show, if you're nice you get no where.
Too be attractive, people must think you're attractive. You could be the fittest guy in the world but if you live in a place that people go for someone whos not fit, then you won't be considered attractive. It's all in peoples taste and i've lived by the rule that "It doesn't matter how many people think you're attractive, as long as you think you look good, then you feel good".
I've seen more assholes blend in with the crowds then nice guys mate. And you know why? Because women don't like nice guys because they're too boring and obsessive. They want excitement and fun a challenge/mystery about a guy. A nice guy has no mystery or challenge because he throws himself at the women. You might not want to agree … [view original content]
Played the episode, I must say I've lost a lot of respect for him now and I guess Luke ditching the group can be considered a valid reason to dislike him... I'm not comparing what they did, I'm comparing the fact when you ask them what the hell happened, they both brush over the question and don't answer it. Kenny's plan failed because he was no where near good enough to pull it off.
Luke getting caught was actually an unintentional good thing. Luke getting caught lead to Carver finding the walkie talkie which lead to Kenny getting beaten which lead to Bonnie realising Carver is beyond redemption which made her decide to help the group escape.
Well i just played the episode and it answered my question, but there is something else that he does that is wrong as well but i won't tell … moreyou.
So you're comparing Kenny and Luke when 1 escaped from an alley way of walkers where as the other one ditches the group for no reason? Kenny took the risk, it was foiled because Luke got caught and what did taking off do for him? Nothing, he got tired and hungry and he fucked up the plan.
"luke's plan got kenny beaten, kenny's plan either gets alvin killed or puts clem in great danger but like, it's fine because kenny is my bo… moreyfriend" - what you people sound like.
They both have certain good points and bad points. As a person I prefer luke, but I have more history with kenny, I know he's trustworthy. Neither of them would make very good leaders, luke doesn't have what it takes to keep the group cohesive and kenny acts too rashly without enough thought. But right now the only person I have fierce loyalty for is Sarah. She's sweet and whilst she seems too fragile and a liability right now that's just because she's sheltered - I think she can deal with her loss and move on, to become a stronger person - much like clem has over the course of the two games.
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Well i have to say i was let down with Kenny not saying what happened because it was one of the most wanted answers. But what Luke has done is just not right. He even tries to assume Mike is sucking up to Clem which is just childish,
The plan wasn't smart to begin with. Kenny didn't pull it off, Luke fucked up by becoming to nosy for food which was his own fault.
Bonnie should've known what Carver was like after his ski lodge performance.
Fair enough.
Everything i said is true (the middle part more so about nice guys finish last). Of course, girls won't admit this, yet they do it all the time.
You realise I wasn't replying to you and I was agreeing with the general idea of your post right? The post I am now replying to is extremely… more misinformed and foolish, apart from the bit about attractiveness possibly being a factor. And the bit about self-confidence making you feel good but I think that's pretty obvious.The rest of it is just... no.
Not at all. It's true that there may be a correlation between being a quote "nice guy" and not getting tail, but 2 main things: 1. "nice guy" is not synonymous with nice guy and 2. there are often socially negative traits that go along with being a "nice guy" and having socially negative traits will likely increase the chance of being a nice guy.
Most people who act like douchebags do so because they have never needed to act nice. Their douchebaggery is as a result of their innate social ability or attractiveness (or both), not the other way around. Generally speaking, an actually nice guy with good social abilities will not have any trouble finding a partner, at least not from what I observe. And the vast majority of people in a relationship, both male and female, are perfectly nice, not assholes.
Unfortunately I come under the category of nice person who has absolutely no social abilities whatsoever (at least I think I do). As a result all my friends and relationships exist online, so I'm not coming at this from a popular perspective. I finish 100% dead last, but this isn't due to being nice, it's due to massive social issues that resulted in me being nice in the first place.
Fair enough.
Everything i said is true (the middle part more so about nice guys finish last). Of course, girls won't admit this, yet they do it all the time.
You can't blame Luke for wanting food. He hadn't eaten for 3 days and was desperate for something to eat, I guarantee anyone on this forum would do the exact same thing if they were in his situation.
I disagree somewhat, I don't personally believe in an eye for an eye but Kenny had just murdered one of his men. If Carver hadn't done anything, then he and the rest of his crew would be dead. Bonnie probably saw the ski lodge incident as Carver saving their lives but also dishing out retribution.
Well i have to say i was let down with Kenny not saying what happened because it was one of the most wanted answers. But what Luke has done … moreis just not right. He even tries to assume Mike is sucking up to Clem which is just childish,
The plan wasn't smart to begin with. Kenny didn't pull it off, Luke fucked up by becoming to nosy for food which was his own fault.
Bonnie should've known what Carver was like after his ski lodge performance.
Having been in a situation where I often couldn't eat for a number of days - I agree with you, if I were luke I'd have gone for food and I bet most people here would too.
You can't blame Luke for wanting food. He hadn't eaten for 3 days and was desperate for something to eat, I guarantee anyone on this forum w… moreould do the exact same thing if they were in his situation.
I disagree somewhat, I don't personally believe in an eye for an eye but Kenny had just murdered one of his men. If Carver hadn't done anything, then he and the rest of his crew would be dead. Bonnie probably saw the ski lodge incident as Carver saving their lives but also dishing out retribution.
I'm not blaming Luke for not wanting food, im saying it's his own fault. He was the one who decided to take off. Had he not taken off, he would've gotten food and sleep.
So if someone for example, murders someone then according to your logic, they shouldn't get the death penalty? There's no justice in that. Yes, he murdered someone who was a cunt to everyone, why let someone like that live?
Saving their lives? Last time i checked, it was Carvers group who decided to fool the group by having Bonnie try to ask for help.
You can't blame Luke for wanting food. He hadn't eaten for 3 days and was desperate for something to eat, I guarantee anyone on this forum w… moreould do the exact same thing if they were in his situation.
I disagree somewhat, I don't personally believe in an eye for an eye but Kenny had just murdered one of his men. If Carver hadn't done anything, then he and the rest of his crew would be dead. Bonnie probably saw the ski lodge incident as Carver saving their lives but also dishing out retribution.
Having been in a situation where I often couldn't eat for a number of days - I agree with you, if I were luke I'd have gone for food and I bet most people here would too.
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And you're right, Kenny does have flaws and makes mistakes, like every other character (except Carley). The problem is that you're downplaying those flaws, brushing them off like they aren't a big deal.
You know, it’s fine to support Kenny, I personally find his character really interesting because he makes me feel so many emotions (rage, pity, respect, etc.). But posts like this really irritate me because it is baffling how transparently biased it is.
First off, you’re trying to find faults in Luke where they don’t exist. and completely ignore the good things he's done. He DOES tell you where he’s been; in the wilderness, following the group back to Carver’s community. What else did you want him to tell you? His exact geographic coordinates? “Where have you been?” “Oh, that dirt path by the trees besides those other trees.”
"What gives Luke the right to take off and then come back like he never went away?"
You can ask him where the hell he’s been all this time, to which he’ll actually apologize for taking so long to get to you.
And I honestly don’t get why you feel the need to do this. Luke has plenty of flaws already that twisting the truth or omitting information isn’t necessary if you want to criticise him. Why not mention how patronizing he is towards Nick? How he doesn’t want to kill Carver (which is pretty stupid) and is idealistic to a fault?
And here's the laundry list of bad things Kenny does if you side with him:
-Shows little to no remorse after killing Larry outside of a brief knee-jerk reaction apology, and is unnecessarily hostile towards Lilly, who he knows has just gone through a horrible traumatic event.
-Holds a teenager completely responsible for his family’s death, ignoring the fact that he is partly to blame as well (he did nothing to protect Duck and Kat during the bandit assault, and he did nothing to help Katjaa when she needed emotional support while their son was dying)
-Goads Lee into murdering said teenager.
-Threatens said teenager with death multiple times.
-Has absolutely no qualms with leaving Omid to die.
-Decides that needlessly staying behind with Ben is more important than escaping the alley so he can save Clementine.
-Wants to murder Vernon for stealing the boat and claims that “we wouldn’t leave good people to die!”, despite the fact that the only reason Vernon stole the boat was because Kenny was planning to leave his group to die in zombie-infested Savannah.
Sorry, but Kenny does a ton of bad things no matter what, even if you side with him. The only difference is that he doesn’t do bad things to YOU. I do believe that Kenny's a good man at heart, but you can't ignore the magnitude of his mistakes. You can't just brush off his mistakes with a quick "oh, everybody makes mistakes."
And this isn’t directed specifically at you, but is it really that difficult to accept that both Kenny and Luke have valid flaws? That it isn’t necessary to desperately grasp at straws and MAKE UP flaws? That you can support or like a character without having to downplay their weaknesses and acting like they're flawless saints?
I actually have said that certain mistakes he has done are wrong i.e him leaving Shawn to get eaten by walkers. I didn't know i had to state every mistake his made seeing how no one asked me.
I never said Luke hasn't done anything good, im pointing out his flaws, and i did say that him and Clem have a good relationship together, is that not a good thing is it? Would him smashing Clem in the back of the head like Troy did with a gun be more suitable?
Like i said, if he did it only once, then i'd be fine but his done it how many times now? 2 times? And how do we know his speaking the truth? We weren't with him. So how do we know? We're only going by trust,no?
I don't want him to say sorry, i want to know why he took off and lefted the group. First time the group was held at gunpoint with certain characters being killed and he just takes off and people actually forgive him for saying sorry? Sorry is not going to bring those characters who died back is it?
Nick and Luke are good friends, and as you have seen at times, they are very good with each other. Friendships and relationships are never perfect. And i couldn't care how he felt about Carver, Kenny killed the guy so why would i care what Luke thinks?
Haha you just contradicted yourself there. I call Luke out on leaving the group and you say "He says his sorry" and that's alright, but when Kenny says sorry for killing Larry, that's not alright? Nice one. Kenny didn't want to do it, you can see the look in his eyes after he does, he didn't want to take the risk if Larry DID turn.
What? By having an argument with her about staying at the motel? lol, he actually does agree with her at the end of the conversation saying it ain't getting easier, right?
The fact remains that had Ben not made a deal with the bandits, it wouldn't of happened + Ben even admits it was his fault so your argument is invalid with that one. And how it Kenny partial to blame? He was trying to get the RV running while Lee and Carely were fighting off bandits/walkers. That's like blaming Lee for Ben and Kennys (supposed) deaths in the alley way because he just stood there and watched when he couldn't open the gate.
With those 2 about Ben, if someone was the reason your son and wife/husband was killed, how would you react? It might be easy for you to say you wouldn't say that on here,but imagine if it was real life? You don't get those people back and they were killed from something that could've been avoided.
Yeah, that one was harsh.
Are you serious? Ben was dying, and his one wish was to not let the walkers get him. Kenny helped Ben. He also said for Lee to go get Clementine because he knew that Lee and Clem being together was more important.
The boat wasn't big enough to hold that many people, it was even able to hold the group that Lee was in. So, how is it Kennys fault the boat wasn't bigger enough? Even if you're nice with Vernon, he still robs the boat. What good is in that? So it's alright for Vernon and his group to take the boat and let Lees group die but Kenny doing it isn't? Also Vernon is a hypocrite. Saying Clem would be better with him. And Lee can agree and he steals the boat and takes off? Great.
You should really not put words in peoples mouth. 1: I never said nothing effected me. I've had to do the silent treatment a few times because shit turns into an argument i.e end of the LILY/KENNY conversation in EP3. When we find out there are no boats. Also no matter how well you like him, he'll still be a bitch when his drunk and on the train.
They bot do, i never said Kenny didn't and when did i ever say he was perfect? I didn't start this whole pizza vs ice cream thing. Maybe if people enjoyed the game and not trash talk other characters it would be right but when someone does, hey, aren't i aloud to stick up for my character i like? Luke fans are just as bad fyi.
I was happy to ignore this until I read the last sentence. Luke has taken off ONCE. Not numerous times as you implied in your last sentence. Why didn't he explain himself? Because he has had no time between getting caught, making plans and finally escaping.
It's safe to assume the reason he "took off" was because he was making preparations to track carvers group.
Also, disliking Luke for "abandoning the group" isn't fair. He left them because he knew he was outnumbered and outgunned. He already had experience escaping Carver's community, so he realized that the best plan to save the group would be to head back to the community. And you're going to blame Luke for the people who died in the lodge? If anything, Carver's the most blame for, y'know, shooting Walter, and then Kenny's next on the list for randomly shooting Carver's people even if Clementine warns him that doing that is a stupid idea that will get the others killed.
Just so we're clear, I'm not saying Luke is flawless or doesn't make mistakes. I'm saying that the mistake you accuse him of, "abandoning" the group and not telling Clem where he's been, are not reasons to dislike him. He had a reason not to join the group at the lodge, and he actually DID tell Clem where he's been; following the group back to the community.
In fact, I mentioned Luke's dysfunctional friendship with Nick and his unwillingness to kill Carver because THOSE are far more valid reasons to dislike Luke. And I mentioned Luke apologizing not to compare him to Kenny, but because you were giving him shit for not telling you where he's been. Except that he totally DOES tell you where he's been.
And Luke fans are just as bad? Let's not making sweeping generalizations...
Yes, a REAL FRIEND, will tell you the truth, even when it's hard to hear.
A REAL FRIEND will have your back, even when things are tight.
And a REAL FRIEND, is willing to give his life to protect you.
If you have a friend like that, treasure their friendship like it is gold.
Second, I would also choose Kenny over Luke.
While Luke seems to be a nice guy, I have to wonder, if Clementine's ass was on the line, would he be there for her?
While he obviously likes Clementine, and wants to see her do well, Luke just doesn't strike me as a reliable person.
Kenny, on the other hand, has proven himself a dozen times.
In my game, he saved Lee back at the drugstore.
He backed Lee up against Danny St John.
He helped search for Clementine, even when I had Lee volunteer to go alone.
And he pushed Lee back to safety, after I had the latter refuse to abandon him in the alleyway, when Ben was trapped.
And as far as Clementine.
He tried to rescue the group, back at the lodge.
He trusted her with highly important tasks, when it came to the groups escape.
And he protected her from a horrendous beating.
Despite his short temper; and other flaws, Kenny has proven himself to be a genuine friend.
As he once said so eloquently once to Lee, "You've always been there for me Lee. Always had my back when it mattered. What kinda friend would I be, if I wasn't there for you now? Bitten or not, I'm with you to the end. You can count on me."
That's how he did towards Lee, and that's how he's done towards Clementine.
He has thus earned such loyalty!
And that's why I'll have Clementine, "Stick with him, to the end."
I don't get why people just can't be happy. Kenny is a douche, we all are aware of that. So just stop. This is the same shit that has been said numerous times.
Jane hasn't done anything bad, but she's obnoxious. That's how i feel. I don't have to have "valid reasons" behind it.
Kenny is a douche. I don't need valid reasons behind that.
Luke has man titties and cannot tell a lurker bite from a dog bite from a mosquito bite. i don't need valid reasons behind that.
This isn't a test in school, people don't have to explain their opinions. I know people have dumb reasons on why they hate Luke, but who cares? Let them think what they want.
Also why do you have problems with people that have invalid reasons? Other people's opinions should not be a problem. People can think what they want, they don't need to write a book on why they don't like something.
Kenny is rash and only looks out for his family, Doug has low self-esteem, Lilly is abrasive and mentally unstable, Katjaa is suicidal, Molly is independent to a fault, Christa finds it hard to trust people, Ben is Ben... and Carley can't put batteries in. Meh.
I like Kenny but if you don't agree with him he gets angry with you and he's annoying sometimes. Remember in 'No Time Left' if you don't always agree with him he doesn't go with you to save Clementine.
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Too be honest with you, if you side with him he does less bad stuff then if you don't. That's true yes? I never said if you side with he NEVER does anything bad. As i said, No one asked me to state them. If you wanted me to, i would've.
I don't hate the character, i never said "HATE" i just haven't grown on him. It happens with every character, some like them, some don't. Im sorry, but that's just stupid. How did he think he was going to help the group by ditching them? He would've been caught anyway. The point is that he ditched the group when they were in a crisis. IMO, that doesn't make him trustworthy because if the chips are down again, will he ditch the group again ? Read again, i never said Luke is to blame i said that when people were being killed he just takes off and then comes back days later with a sorry? Remember, you said Kenny sorrys to Lily was not acceptable, so what makes Luke alright?
And Kenny went overboard with the killing that guy in Carvers group. Even when he knew he was outnumbered.
I don't trust the guy. And how do we know for sure that his telling the truth? Again, i said it's all a matter of trust. When the guy really tells us why he left, then i'll believe him.
And i agreed with you on some points Kenny did that was bad. And no, to me they're not because 1: Nick and Luke are good friends when they're not arguing and i told you not every, relationship/friendship is perfect and 2: Kenny killed Carver so i don't really care if Luke thought it was a good idea or not.
He says he was following the group, how do we know that's true? And i can't even remember what his excuse was for leaving them at the lodge? Wasn't it just a sorry?
Ummmm, have you not seen them on here? Calling Luke a cutie, downvoting people who don't agree with them. Childish don't you think?
Twice according to the trailer of episode 4. His not seen with the group in a picture, BUT if he is there then ill take back what i said but he takes off and then comes back and says sorry? Cheap. No, but he had time to start spacing out because of his "lack of sleep". Isn't their an option for Clem to ask where his been and he still doesn't even tell her? Great trust there.
LOL, keep dreaming. He had plenty of time to make plans yet he still got busted. But, im sure there's always an excuse. The fact is, his only got himself to blame for being "tired". He shouldn't off ditched the group.
Ummmm? That first bit was dumb.
I I mentioned the gay/straight thing because the person above mentioned they were gay. I could've called him a faggot but i decided to be more respectful. Goes to show, if you're nice you get no where.
Too be attractive, people must think you're attractive. You could be the fittest guy in the world but if you live in a place that people go for someone whos not fit, then you won't be considered attractive. It's all in peoples taste and i've lived by the rule that "It doesn't matter how many people think you're attractive, as long as you think you look good, then you feel good".
I've seen more assholes blend in with the crowds then nice guys mate. And you know why? Because women don't like nice guys because they're too boring and obsessive. They want excitement and fun a challenge/mystery about a guy. A nice guy has no mystery or challenge because he throws himself at the women. You might not want to agree with that but deep down you know it's true. Why do you think most nice guys always complain they're friendzoned or fucked around?
So all the people saying Molly is hot/pretty and all the girls saying Luke is cute has no impact on a characters popularity? Seems legit. So in reality, by your logic, Justin Bieber makes great music and him being attractive to girls has no influence? Ok.
To be honest, clem should have left right after she got her arm fixed.... Would have been easier for her, right? And at this pont, I don't really trust luke or kenny.
If by the trailer, you mean the part where Kenny says: "where the Fuck is luke?" Then may I ask you how long Luke has been gone for in that particular episode? He was spacing out for literally a few seconds and even then, he wasn't on the right state of mind to answer anything. I wouldn't know since I didn't choose that dialogue choice but asking questions and having them avoided seems to be a reoccurring theme this season (like asking Kenny how the hell he got out of the walker horde.) He knew getting captured would have done the group no good and he wasn't going to follow Kennys plan since ot went against everything he believes in (also the fact Kennys plan failed abysmally and he knew how carver would react.)
Well i just played the episode and it answered my question, but there is something else that he does that is wrong as well but i won't tell you.
So you're comparing Kenny and Luke when 1 escaped from an alley way of walkers where as the other one ditches the group for no reason? Kenny took the risk, it was foiled because Luke got caught and what did taking off do for him? Nothing, he got tired and hungry and he fucked up the plan.
You realise I wasn't replying to you and I was agreeing with the general idea of your post right? The post I am now replying to is extremely misinformed and foolish, apart from the bit about attractiveness possibly being a factor. And the bit about self-confidence making you feel good but I think that's pretty obvious.The rest of it is just... no.
Played the episode, I must say I've lost a lot of respect for him now and I guess Luke ditching the group can be considered a valid reason to dislike him... I'm not comparing what they did, I'm comparing the fact when you ask them what the hell happened, they both brush over the question and don't answer it. Kenny's plan failed because he was no where near good enough to pull it off.
Luke getting caught was actually an unintentional good thing. Luke getting caught lead to Carver finding the walkie talkie which lead to Kenny getting beaten which lead to Bonnie realising Carver is beyond redemption which made her decide to help the group escape.
or sarita!
That first paragraph.
Well i have to say i was let down with Kenny not saying what happened because it was one of the most wanted answers. But what Luke has done is just not right. He even tries to assume Mike is sucking up to Clem which is just childish,
The plan wasn't smart to begin with. Kenny didn't pull it off, Luke fucked up by becoming to nosy for food which was his own fault.
Bonnie should've known what Carver was like after his ski lodge performance.
Fair enough.
Everything i said is true (the middle part more so about nice guys finish last). Of course, girls won't admit this, yet they do it all the time.
Not at all. It's true that there may be a correlation between being a quote "nice guy" and not getting tail, but 2 main things: 1. "nice guy" is not synonymous with nice guy and 2. there are often socially negative traits that go along with being a "nice guy" and having socially negative traits will likely increase the chance of being a nice guy.
Most people who act like douchebags do so because they have never needed to act nice. Their douchebaggery is as a result of their innate social ability or attractiveness (or both), not the other way around. Generally speaking, an actually nice guy with good social abilities will not have any trouble finding a partner, at least not from what I observe. And the vast majority of people in a relationship, both male and female, are perfectly nice, not assholes.
Unfortunately I come under the category of nice person who has absolutely no social abilities whatsoever (at least I think I do). As a result all my friends and relationships exist online, so I'm not coming at this from a popular perspective. I finish 100% dead last, but this isn't due to being nice, it's due to massive social issues that resulted in me being nice in the first place.
You can't blame Luke for wanting food. He hadn't eaten for 3 days and was desperate for something to eat, I guarantee anyone on this forum would do the exact same thing if they were in his situation.
I disagree somewhat, I don't personally believe in an eye for an eye but Kenny had just murdered one of his men. If Carver hadn't done anything, then he and the rest of his crew would be dead. Bonnie probably saw the ski lodge incident as Carver saving their lives but also dishing out retribution.
Having been in a situation where I often couldn't eat for a number of days - I agree with you, if I were luke I'd have gone for food and I bet most people here would too.
I'm not blaming Luke for not wanting food, im saying it's his own fault. He was the one who decided to take off. Had he not taken off, he would've gotten food and sleep.
So if someone for example, murders someone then according to your logic, they shouldn't get the death penalty? There's no justice in that. Yes, he murdered someone who was a cunt to everyone, why let someone like that live?
Saving their lives? Last time i checked, it was Carvers group who decided to fool the group by having Bonnie try to ask for help.
I wouldn't ditch my group for unknown reasons.