Pizza vs. Ice Cream...meh
I'm slightly confused about the events of episode 4 in relation to a future Kenny vs. Luke choice. Shouldn't this one have been about strengthening our bonds with one or both of them to ratchet up the difficulty and tension of eventually choosing between them? Instead, both of them behaved in ways that turned off a lot of people, myself included, and left me feeling way less secure with or close to either of them. Rather than solidifying a relationship, Clementine seems more emotionally isolated than ever, and lacking anyone she has a real connection to. When it comes time to choose, it'll be less an emotionally harrowing nail-biter between two people I deeply care for and more like who I think is the lesser and more tolerable of two evils.
IDK, why do you think they went this direction with them this episode?
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I'd rather choose Bonnie and Mike than either of them at this point, to be completely honest.
Fuck Team Kenny or Team Luke.
It's Team Bonnie and Team Mike at this point
Mike is Love
Mike is Life
I would've saved the St. Johns, all of Crawford, the evil part of Carver's community and the stranger over Kenny and Luke this episode.
Same here, and I have been a huge Luke fan, but between the vanishing bond between him and Clem (seriously where'd it go after E2) and his actions this ep, it's cooled me on him considerably. I still like him, I guess, but I don't feel close to him and when he and Kenny start going at it, I usually take the option to tell them both to shut up.
Clem really would be better off with Bonnie and Mike, or if they're gone, then lone wolf style like Jane.
Im not sure how I feel about Luke and Kenny anymore I mean I still like Kenny afterall he called Luke out on him "fuckin around like teenagers" but I think he's losing it and was bogarting the baby lol.Luke....im really starting dislike him. First he decides to go fu*king around and puts the group in danger and now I feel like he keeps starting arguments with Kenny on purpose.
I like Mike and Bonnie more than them at this point though.
Sadly, I'm inclined to agree. I don't see how they would repair the damage to Kenny and Luke after this episode, there definitely won't be time in the finale. Team Bonnie, Team Mike, or Team Independent!Clementine for me.
I totally agree. For me (as of now), it will be a choice between the lesser of two evils, not being torn because they're both great. Kenny's teetering on the edge of madness, and Luke proved he can't be counted on. At least Kenny got his shit together enough to help Rebecca. But I'm wary of trusting either of them at this point. It seems like it'll come down to whether we want to side with a crazy person or an incompetent person - I don't like those choices! lol
Lol, but agreed. They were both the worst this episode and it's like everyone else was just stuck with them. Hell, I bonded more with Jane than I did either Luke or Kenny.
General consensus seems to be Team Bonnie and Mike now.
I don't have much of a problem with how things are playing out in this area. Choosing between two groups that are equally off-putting is basically the same as choosing between two that you like. Either way, there is always the feeling of wondering what if you had decided differently. Plus, it adds to why someone would choose to go solo. If group members put whatever baggage they have ahead of the group's safety, is it really so great to have them around?
Exactly how I felt at the end of the episode.
As for the OP, I agree with you too.
This.
Maybe this was their way of saying that the pizza and ice cream choice isn't between the two? Watch it be something stupid like choosing between driving an ice cream truck or a pizza delivery car to Wellington. But nah, I think they just did this to even the stats a little, since so many people were either very much for Kenny or Luke, and I guess they wanted more people in the middle? They kind of did a bad job though since it seems Luke has more to make up for since Kenny has two seasons behind him to make people want to choose him, whereas Luke only has 4 episodes, two of which he's being called a screw up for... and Kenny just went overboard with his comments to Clem. So I don't know how they'll be able to redeem themselves in the next episode. I don't think either character is bad, but their glaring flaws this episode makes me not want to choose either of them.
If it came down to it now, I feel like Clem's not even close to either of them anymore, and I'd rather she choose someone else. Mike and Bonnie seem to know where it's at, but knowing that, they're probably going to die, so my only hope is Christa... Team Christa. Even if she's dead I'd choose her ghost over Luke and Kenny after this episode. But she better be alive so I don't have to deal with this bs anymore.
True enough, just seems like a strange way to go at first, but I suppose it does level the playing field a bit more. And I do suspect it's meant to tie into Jane's comments about groups falling apart and turning on each other. It certainly bums me out for Clem's sake, that her choice is between flavors of awful (because Bonnie and Mike are mostly likely going to be too appealing to survive). It certainly makes going it alone more and more appealing.
Lol, definitely not the most appealing situation. Very sad for Clem though, she's a long way away from Lee. Maybe all this is meant to give credence to Jane's views that she can't truly rely on people, and should just go it alone, guess we'll see.
I agree this is definitely going to damage people's perceptions of Luke worse than Kenny. They simply haven't put the time into Luke's character to give him enough substantial moments to stack up with Kenny's and it's too late to change that now. I just felt bringing them both down in our eyes and distancing them from Clem was an odd way to go about handling this situation, it had the same effect on me in not really wanting to go with either of them now. I'm also generally disappointed at the wasted potential that was the Luke and Clem relationship.
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