"Loss with little meaning" Sarah and Nick both die because.....The plot says so. That's about it. "Choices are inconsequential by the end." By the End of the episode I was screaming WHAT! NOTHING MATTERED! I could see some conversations miles away like the whole Jane's sister thing. I can't think of one choice in that episode that actually mattered or showed something about you. I.E. killing the dog in episode 1.
Look. 9/10 for episode three. 6/10 for episode four. Episode four was definitely better than episode three. Whether or not it's good, which it is fucking good, there's still a lack of valid judgement coming from IGN.
"Loss with little meaning" Sarah and Nick both die because.....The plot says so. That's about it. "Choices are inconsequential by the end." … moreBy the End of the episode I was screaming WHAT! NOTHING MATTERED! I could see some conversations miles away like the whole Jane's sister thing. I can't think of one choice in that episode that actually mattered or showed something about you. I.E. killing the dog in episode 1.
Did any of our choices from Season 1 impact the ending of Season 1? Did they impact anything at all in Season 2? Doug and Carley both died for the plot to proceed. Katjaa and Duck died for the plot to proceed. Lee....
You don't have the right to say that their deaths were pointless in this regard. You can't choose who will live. Nobody does. People die, and not all of them die heroically. Deal with it!
"Loss with little meaning" Sarah and Nick both die because.....The plot says so. That's about it. "Choices are inconsequential by the end." … moreBy the End of the episode I was screaming WHAT! NOTHING MATTERED! I could see some conversations miles away like the whole Jane's sister thing. I can't think of one choice in that episode that actually mattered or showed something about you. I.E. killing the dog in episode 1.
Jesus...You took that...Personally...But when they died it advanced the plot Duck and Katjaa it made Kenny get depressed. With Doug/Carley It showed Lily lost her marbles. While these deaths....Rebecca cried for a couple of seconds for Nick....That's it. The plot didn't proceed because they died, they just died and everyone was like "Ehh, it happened." In season 1 when characters did die something happened at least rather than "Ehh, it happened."
Did any of our choices from Season 1 impact the ending of Season 1? Did they impact anything at all in Season 2? Doug and Carley both died f… moreor the plot to proceed. Katjaa and Duck died for the plot to proceed. Lee....
You don't have the right to say that their deaths were pointless in this regard. You can't choose who will live. Nobody does. People die, and not all of them die heroically. Deal with it!
It's how you put it. Characters simply dying because "the plot said so", it made it seem like that stands for all of them.
When Nick is turned undead, Jane uses it as a teaching tool for Clem, that she shouldn't get too attached to her friends. Having us do the deed in killing him as a walker was probably the better choice than simply having him killed like Carlos. Sarah's death stands to reinforce the idea that, even if we do manage to save someone, they won't be saved forever. For Clem, she has to learn to let go, to mature despite her young age. It's an ongoing theme throughout the season: growing up and being able to "let go"; although, Clem makes it a point that she's afraid of going too cold, like Jane has become... like Carver had become.
Their deaths aren't as pointless as you may first imagine.
Jesus...You took that...Personally...But when they died it advanced the plot Duck and Katjaa it made Kenny get depressed. With Doug/Carley I… moret showed Lily lost her marbles. While these deaths....Rebecca cried for a couple of seconds for Nick....That's it. The plot didn't proceed because they died, they just died and everyone was like "Ehh, it happened." In season 1 when characters did die something happened at least rather than "Ehh, it happened."
Look the teaching tool doesn't matter when we went through this in season 1 with Lee....As for Sarah she went from determinant to dead in less than an hour...Look I'm going to tell you something someone else said on a thread. "Illusion is good but when you can see through the illusion that's when you're in trouble" and throughout the episode I kept thinking "Oh my god this sucks, nothing matters." Maybe that's the story for your Clem, mine is just annoyed by everything that is happening.
It's how you put it. Characters simply dying because "the plot said so", it made it seem like that stands for all of them.
When Nick is t… moreurned undead, Jane uses it as a teaching tool for Clem, that she shouldn't get too attached to her friends. Having us do the deed in killing him as a walker was probably the better choice than simply having him killed like Carlos. Sarah's death stands to reinforce the idea that, even if we do manage to save someone, they won't be saved forever. For Clem, she has to learn to let go, to mature despite her young age. It's an ongoing theme throughout the season: growing up and being able to "let go"; although, Clem makes it a point that she's afraid of going too cold, like Jane has become... like Carver had become.
Their deaths aren't as pointless as you may first imagine.
We did go through this. As Lee. Not as Clem. This isn't Season 1, and never will be. That's the real horror of Season 2. Just because it isn't meeting the same responses that Season 1 had, doesn't mean it's bad. At least Sarah was determinant for a bit, and not pushed off the wagon without any choice in the matter. It isn't all bad. I'll top that "illusion" quote with one of my own. "The magic isn't the show. It's the performance."
We need to be more grateful that we have a game like TWD. In an industry filled with PC Shooters, Male Power Fantasies, and an overall "average" first year of "Next-Gen". Not so often we get a game with a child as the main star, especially one that's also a non-Caucasian female lead.
Look the teaching tool doesn't matter when we went through this in season 1 with Lee....As for Sarah she went from determinant to dead in le… moress than an hour...Look I'm going to tell you something someone else said on a thread. "Illusion is good but when you can see through the illusion that's when you're in trouble" and throughout the episode I kept thinking "Oh my god this sucks, nothing matters." Maybe that's the story for your Clem, mine is just annoyed by everything that is happening.
Look the teaching tool doesn't matter when we went through this in season 1 with Lee....As for Sarah she went from determinant to dead in le… moress than an hour...Look I'm going to tell you something someone else said on a thread. "Illusion is good but when you can see through the illusion that's when you're in trouble" and throughout the episode I kept thinking "Oh my god this sucks, nothing matters." Maybe that's the story for your Clem, mine is just annoyed by everything that is happening.
Look the teaching tool doesn't matter when we went through this in season 1 with Lee....As for Sarah she went from determinant to dead in le… moress than an hour...Look I'm going to tell you something someone else said on a thread. "Illusion is good but when you can see through the illusion that's when you're in trouble" and throughout the episode I kept thinking "Oh my god this sucks, nothing matters." Maybe that's the story for your Clem, mine is just annoyed by everything that is happening.
6/10? This episode deserves a 8/10 at the very least!
I actually thought this was one of the best episodes. I think they were a bit too critical on the cheap deaths. I feel the characters that died died for good reasons; Sarah being emotionally unstable, Rebecca losing blood after childbirth, Sarita being bitten... plus Nick's one of those "If they don't die now, they'll die later" characters, so that was expected.
As for Sarah "Look either choose to let her die now, or she dies later." episode 4 can be described like this "do you want ice cream or pizza?" "I want ice cream." "here's pizza. I don't actually have ice cream". As for the quote if Magic isn't the show then why don't they just tell them how they did it after they preformed the trick. As for the grateful part...So I just be grateful...They made the walking dead season 2 and not criticize it at all. So I can never criticize a sequel to anything that was good, because we wouldn't have it in the first place if it wasn't for the people who made it....So let's all be happy about it...?
We did go through this. As Lee. Not as Clem. This isn't Season 1, and never will be. That's the real horror of Season 2. Just because it isn… more't meeting the same responses that Season 1 had, doesn't mean it's bad. At least Sarah was determinant for a bit, and not pushed off the wagon without any choice in the matter. It isn't all bad. I'll top that "illusion" quote with one of my own. "The magic isn't the show. It's the performance."
We need to be more grateful that we have a game like TWD. In an industry filled with PC Shooters, Male Power Fantasies, and an overall "average" first year of "Next-Gen". Not so often we get a game with a child as the main star, especially one that's also a non-Caucasian female lead.
Whoa. That's cold, man. That's like David Lynch telling the audience what every scene meant in Lost Highway or Mulholland Drive after finishing the film. That's like having Silent Hill come with a "Silent Hill for Dummies" book included with the games.
Plus, you're looking at the Sarah situation in the wrong. When we first saved Sarah in the motor home, we thought we had actually "saved" her. In hindsight, it all seems like a fool's choice; but, in the moment, you couldn't just leave her there, could you? Would you?
Also, it's the freaking winter! Who would want ice-cream in the winter? Gimme the pizza!
As for Sarah "Look either choose to let her die now, or she dies later." episode 4 can be described like this "do you want ice cream or pizz… morea?" "I want ice cream." "here's pizza. I don't actually have ice cream". As for the quote if Magic isn't the show then why don't they just tell them how they did it after they preformed the trick. As for the grateful part...So I just be grateful...They made the walking dead season 2 and not criticize it at all. So I can never criticize a sequel to anything that was good, because we wouldn't have it in the first place if it wasn't for the people who made it....So let's all be happy about it...?
I just want to figure out how he knew my card was the Ace of Spades, and I never did leave Sarah, I wanted Jane to pick her up the second time, but after the second choice of dialogue I knew where it was going and I was pretty pissed.
Whoa. That's cold, man. That's like David Lynch telling the audience what every scene meant in Lost Highway or Mulholland Drive after finish… moreing the film. That's like having Silent Hill come with a "Silent Hill for Dummies" book included with the games.
Plus, you're looking at the Sarah situation in the wrong. When we first saved Sarah in the motor home, we thought we had actually "saved" her. In hindsight, it all seems like a fool's choice; but, in the moment, you couldn't just leave her there, could you? Would you?
Also, it's the freaking winter! Who would want ice-cream in the winter? Gimme the pizza!
I just want to figure out how he knew my card was the Ace of Spades, and I never did leave Sarah, I wanted Jane to pick her up the second time, but after the second choice of dialogue I knew where it was going and I was pretty pissed.
Honestly, this was not a good episode. It was sloppy, out of character, and had some immensely disappointing and poorly executed major character deaths.
There were so many ridiculous inconsistencies--for example, why does Clementine never mention her experiences with Christa's birth during this entire episode? Why is Luke, who apparently tracked down the group for days without sleep or food, focused and obsessing over his plans, throwing away his inhibition to get laid? And on that note, why is it that Jane (who he barely knew for a day) leaving gets a big temper tantrum, whereas Nick's death just gets, "Fuck. Fuck"?
The deaths are no longer shocking or touching. Sarah and Nick are my favorite characters, but their deaths didn't move me. They made me frustrated. Them being written from the plot strikes me more as if the writers have grown bored of the character's arc and want to get rid of them--on a larger scale, this is how the entire Carver plot felt. Being taken to and subsequently escaping from Howe's should have been the season plot in and of itself. By episode 4, we're dealing with a completely different arc, with new characters and new circumstances. There's only one episode left, and just senselessly killing off more people isn't how you end a story.
Really guys? One review that doesn't agree with your opinion and it's "FUCK IGN." While I hated the review from Mitch Dyer, he does not represent the entirety of IGN. IGN is a great website with a lot of great editors; just because something doesn't agree with your opinion doesn't mean you go all hostile on them. Funny how many of you would say "Oh yeah, GREAT REVIEW IGN" if a review agrees with your opinion and vice versa...
Gaming website gives a personal favorite game a low score "MAN FUCK THEM, THEIR REVIEWS SUCK!" Website gives a personal favorite game a high score "What a great review, that's a good website!"
Do you people honestly don't see this?...
Maybe YOU don't know your shit. IGN has some fantastic editors there. "Worse?" It's FAR from being the worse. You want bad gaming websites? Look at Quarter to Three and Gamespot. Just because ONE reviewer gives your favorite game a low score doesn't mean you should condemn the entire website. I hated the review for it, but the behavior around here is downright sickening.
IGN is one of the worst websites out there for game reviews. If you still give them attention, you either don't know your shit, or you actually agree with them.
Fuck IGN. They should all live in their trucks!
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Seems reasonable.
IGN has some kind of vendetta with Telltale's 4th episodes. Like... How IGN? HOW?
6/10, are you kidding me? The episode was way better than In Harm's Way! o_o
"Loss with little meaning" Sarah and Nick both die because.....The plot says so. That's about it. "Choices are inconsequential by the end." By the End of the episode I was screaming WHAT! NOTHING MATTERED! I could see some conversations miles away like the whole Jane's sister thing. I can't think of one choice in that episode that actually mattered or showed something about you. I.E. killing the dog in episode 1.
Don't take IGN seriously, they lost their credibility years ago.
None of their cons were "Choices don't matter", from what i'm aware of.
Did any of our choices from Season 1 impact the ending of Season 1? Did they impact anything at all in Season 2? Doug and Carley both died for the plot to proceed. Katjaa and Duck died for the plot to proceed. Lee....
You don't have the right to say that their deaths were pointless in this regard. You can't choose who will live. Nobody does. People die, and not all of them die heroically. Deal with it!
Jesus...You took that...Personally...But when they died it advanced the plot Duck and Katjaa it made Kenny get depressed. With Doug/Carley It showed Lily lost her marbles. While these deaths....Rebecca cried for a couple of seconds for Nick....That's it. The plot didn't proceed because they died, they just died and everyone was like "Ehh, it happened." In season 1 when characters did die something happened at least rather than "Ehh, it happened."
1:26 He says word for word "It all seems inconsequential by the end." Did you watch the whole video? Or just skip to the end?
It's how you put it. Characters simply dying because "the plot said so", it made it seem like that stands for all of them.
When Nick is turned undead, Jane uses it as a teaching tool for Clem, that she shouldn't get too attached to her friends. Having us do the deed in killing him as a walker was probably the better choice than simply having him killed like Carlos. Sarah's death stands to reinforce the idea that, even if we do manage to save someone, they won't be saved forever. For Clem, she has to learn to let go, to mature despite her young age. It's an ongoing theme throughout the season: growing up and being able to "let go"; although, Clem makes it a point that she's afraid of going too cold, like Jane has become... like Carver had become.
Their deaths aren't as pointless as you may first imagine.
Look the teaching tool doesn't matter when we went through this in season 1 with Lee....As for Sarah she went from determinant to dead in less than an hour...Look I'm going to tell you something someone else said on a thread. "Illusion is good but when you can see through the illusion that's when you're in trouble" and throughout the episode I kept thinking "Oh my god this sucks, nothing matters." Maybe that's the story for your Clem, mine is just annoyed by everything that is happening.
I meant in the official cons. If it was a primary focus, it would have been mentioned there.
We did go through this. As Lee. Not as Clem. This isn't Season 1, and never will be. That's the real horror of Season 2. Just because it isn't meeting the same responses that Season 1 had, doesn't mean it's bad. At least Sarah was determinant for a bit, and not pushed off the wagon without any choice in the matter. It isn't all bad. I'll top that "illusion" quote with one of my own. "The magic isn't the show. It's the performance."
We need to be more grateful that we have a game like TWD. In an industry filled with PC Shooters, Male Power Fantasies, and an overall "average" first year of "Next-Gen". Not so often we get a game with a child as the main star, especially one that's also a non-Caucasian female lead.
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(Mumble mumble... triple posts without even knowing it...)
One of the "Official cons" was Weak Villains, never once was it even talked about in the video, so the ending cons aren't the primary focus cons.
Damn double post.
6/10? This episode deserves a 8/10 at the very least!
I actually thought this was one of the best episodes. I think they were a bit too critical on the cheap deaths. I feel the characters that died died for good reasons; Sarah being emotionally unstable, Rebecca losing blood after childbirth, Sarita being bitten... plus Nick's one of those "If they don't die now, they'll die later" characters, so that was expected.
Oh well. To each his own I guess.
I'd rank this episode the lowest of the season or on par with season 1.
Episode 3 is the best episode of season 1 or 2 or 300 days.
As for Sarah "Look either choose to let her die now, or she dies later." episode 4 can be described like this "do you want ice cream or pizza?" "I want ice cream." "here's pizza. I don't actually have ice cream". As for the quote if Magic isn't the show then why don't they just tell them how they did it after they preformed the trick. As for the grateful part...So I just be grateful...They made the walking dead season 2 and not criticize it at all. So I can never criticize a sequel to anything that was good, because we wouldn't have it in the first place if it wasn't for the people who made it....So let's all be happy about it...?
IGN has horrible reviewers. Actually all mainstream sites do. The only safe bet is to form your own opinion
Whoa. That's cold, man. That's like David Lynch telling the audience what every scene meant in Lost Highway or Mulholland Drive after finishing the film. That's like having Silent Hill come with a "Silent Hill for Dummies" book included with the games.
Plus, you're looking at the Sarah situation in the wrong. When we first saved Sarah in the motor home, we thought we had actually "saved" her. In hindsight, it all seems like a fool's choice; but, in the moment, you couldn't just leave her there, could you? Would you?
Also, it's the freaking winter! Who would want ice-cream in the winter? Gimme the pizza!
episode 3 was my favourite...and i was not very excited for that episode...i was extremely excited for Ep 4!
but i can only give 4 a ?/?
okay where were we? oh yeah, fuck IGN
I just want to figure out how he knew my card was the Ace of Spades, and I never did leave Sarah, I wanted Jane to pick her up the second time, but after the second choice of dialogue I knew where it was going and I was pretty pissed.
Blame the damn plank of wood that fell on Jane. If gravity didn't intervene, Sarah may still be alive. Stupid gravity. XD
Honestly, this was not a good episode. It was sloppy, out of character, and had some immensely disappointing and poorly executed major character deaths.
There were so many ridiculous inconsistencies--for example, why does Clementine never mention her experiences with Christa's birth during this entire episode? Why is Luke, who apparently tracked down the group for days without sleep or food, focused and obsessing over his plans, throwing away his inhibition to get laid? And on that note, why is it that Jane (who he barely knew for a day) leaving gets a big temper tantrum, whereas Nick's death just gets, "Fuck. Fuck"?
The deaths are no longer shocking or touching. Sarah and Nick are my favorite characters, but their deaths didn't move me. They made me frustrated. Them being written from the plot strikes me more as if the writers have grown bored of the character's arc and want to get rid of them--on a larger scale, this is how the entire Carver plot felt. Being taken to and subsequently escaping from Howe's should have been the season plot in and of itself. By episode 4, we're dealing with a completely different arc, with new characters and new circumstances. There's only one episode left, and just senselessly killing off more people isn't how you end a story.
6/10 is generous, in my opinion.
You can think what you want, though that ain't true.
I don't know what's worse the walkers or gravity. Think of all the people gravity has killed:Ben and Reggie.
The bullet may have just injured Matthew, but we'd never know for sure. Thanks gravity.
IGN gave a 6 to In Sheep's Clothing, too.
But they gave a 9.3 to Cry Wolf, so I guess the same will happen with No Going Back (if it's good, of course).
I don't really disagree with the review, though....
Really guys? One review that doesn't agree with your opinion and it's "FUCK IGN." While I hated the review from Mitch Dyer, he does not represent the entirety of IGN. IGN is a great website with a lot of great editors; just because something doesn't agree with your opinion doesn't mean you go all hostile on them. Funny how many of you would say "Oh yeah, GREAT REVIEW IGN" if a review agrees with your opinion and vice versa...
Gaming website gives a personal favorite game a low score "MAN FUCK THEM, THEIR REVIEWS SUCK!"
Website gives a personal favorite game a high score "What a great review, that's a good website!"
Do you people honestly don't see this?...
Oh yeah, Mitch Dyer represents the entire IGN staff! Typical ignorance...
Idiotic Gaming Network.
203 wasn't bad, but it was the worst of the season.
Some reviewers such as Colin Moriarty and Marty Sliva are fantastic reviewers. It's all a bandwagon with you people.
Maybe YOU don't know your shit. IGN has some fantastic editors there. "Worse?" It's FAR from being the worse. You want bad gaming websites? Look at Quarter to Three and Gamespot. Just because ONE reviewer gives your favorite game a low score doesn't mean you should condemn the entire website. I hated the review for it, but the behavior around here is downright sickening.
I actually liked episode 3 as well. Oh well, ign's review won't change my opinion.
No they didn't. A lot of reviews are fantastic.
Colin Moriarty is among the best reviews I've seen on the internet. Marty Sliva is also a really great reviewer. Enough with this blind fanboy hate.