I feel exactly like you do. In Season 1 I was immersed, but now with Season 2 I feel more like I'm on the outside looking in. The investment… more I had even after S2E2 was still pretty good, but the lame 400 Days cameos, Carver's complete change of character, the realization that Nick was no longer going to have any impact at all because of his determinate status, as well as the overall feeling that choices mattered even less than in S1 drew me out and I haven't been able to get back in. I know choices in S1 ultimately didn't change the outcome of the game, but in general they changed a multitude of scenes over the course of the season, for example Carley/Doug, Larry, Ben, and I haven't really seen that in S2.
I can't even read this comment. Why is every word first-letter capitalized? Why no use of punctuation? Also, you make no coherent point. You just complain excessively and over-exaggerate about peoples' criticisms.
Look, TellTale is clearly stretched too thin with 4 series in the pipeline. Every part of the narrative in Season 2 has been half-assed and lackluster. Pure shock value, no real character development and pay-off. The only high points were when Clem was proving herself to the group early in Season 2, and when she re-united with Kenny. Every potential bit of character development for everyone else has fallen flat and been rendered pointless by their lazily-handled deaths. It goes beyond the "illusion of choice" to "give them something to click on, then make it irrelevant later anyways".
Season 1 was handled so much better than this, hands-down.
I Agree I Don't See Where People Are Saying This Episode Had No Emotion Um Lets See Saving Blah Blah Or Blah Blah That Had Emotion And Then … moreAt The End With Rebecca Um I Guess People Are Gonna Be Pissy No Matter What Maybe Telltale Should Just QUit Releasing Games Maybe That Will Make People Happy I For One Enjoyed This Episode Even Though It Was Harsh And Made Me Seriously Think About My Decsions
There's so much sadness in this game it doesn't affect me as much as when we didn't see it coming. I already guessed who was going to die, a… morend all my guesses were correct, so it didn't have as big of an affect.
I was annoyed when Arvo called me out on lying, but I hope to see a little more why he said that next episode.
I honestly am dreading the wait for the last episode, because this cliffhanger killed me.
I knew my disappointment with S2 would just get worse in the opening moments of episode 4, when the choice regarding Sarita (at the end of episode 3) was rendered absolutely pointless. Then, 5 minutes later, all of the "work" put into Nick is unceremoniously cast aside like nothing. At that point, I was already done. I watched someone else's playthrough just to see what happened. When the Sarah "thing" happened, I actually yelled out loud "Oh, come on!" and threw my hands up.
I won't even be playing episode 5, I'm so disappointed with how S2 has gone.
Like others, my emotion is gone as well. The only characters that I care about are Clem and Luke. They just haven't given me the time to like anyone else as much as I'd like. To add, as much as I like Clem, this story will grow stale if she remains the center focus of the entire series, yet I'm not so sure that TT would continue on without her. As of right now, I see Clem becoming a cold hearted machine & at that point, us players wouldn't know how to feel about that.
I don't know....TT has gotten themselves in a bit of a pickle.
It's apparent that it's all about Clem and thusly, it makes every other character pointless in the grand scheme of things and this season is point proof of that. Perhaps they should've made her a secondary character or they should've started from scratch and then have her make an appearance later on.
I haven't cared about any of the characters other than Clementine since S2E1 (I even cared about Clementine far more in season 1). The only character's death that made me feel kind of sad was Walter's, which is just pathetic considering he was onscreen for a total of 15 minutes. Compare this to season 1, where even Larry's death made me feel like a total asshole.
I don't expect Telltale to make anything anywhere near the quality of season 1 again. They dug their own grave when they started working on 4 games at once, even after losing their 2 best writers. It doesn't help that a 1 hour episode is now deemed acceptable.
Yep, and it affected Wolf Among Us in the same way: shorter and shorter episodes, with degrading quality of writing. It's a shame, after that fantastic first Season of TWD.
I haven't cared about any of the characters other than Clementine since S2E1 (I even cared about Clementine far more in season 1). The only… more character's death that made me feel kind of sad was Walter's, which is just pathetic considering he was onscreen for a total of 15 minutes. Compare this to season 1, where even Larry's death made me feel like a total asshole.
I don't expect Telltale to make anything anywhere near the quality of season 1 again. They dug their own grave when they started working on 4 games at once, even after losing their 2 best writers. It doesn't help that a 1 hour episode is now deemed acceptable.
Man, am I lucky that I still can enjoy the game, seeing you guys pessimism. I actually enjoyed this episode, and I had to pause the game at twice to collect my thoughts and make a decision. Yes, they didn't matter, but still.
On the Decisions thing. While I do wish that our choices would make more impact, I like that not all our choices make a difference. See, as Gamers we are used to be in full control of what happens. If we want to, we can save everyone even if the odds are impossible. But Telltales games are not like that. Real Life would not be like that. In Real Life, often even if a decision that seems important doesn't matter. And TWD captures this feeling. Sarah's death was unavoidable, as mean as it sounds, and that's often how life is, unavoidable.
And about the emotions. While I absolutely felt emotions, maybe what happened to many of you is what would happen to many in a Real Zombie Apocalypse. You just get numb to all the death because it happens so often. After a while, you stop caring. I am sure that if this Episode was in the first Season, you'd still feel the emotions, but after so many Episodes and Deaths, you don't feel the same about it anymore.
Anyway, just to make sure, I absolutely respect all your opinions.
I can't even read this comment. Why is every word first-letter capitalized? Why no use of punctuation? Also, you make no coherent point. You… more just complain excessively and over-exaggerate about peoples' criticisms.
Look, TellTale is clearly stretched too thin with 4 series in the pipeline. Every part of the narrative in Season 2 has been half-assed and lackluster. Pure shock value, no real character development and pay-off. The only high points were when Clem was proving herself to the group early in Season 2, and when she re-united with Kenny. Every potential bit of character development for everyone else has fallen flat and been rendered pointless by their lazily-handled deaths. It goes beyond the "illusion of choice" to "give them something to click on, then make it irrelevant later anyways".
Season 1 was handled so much better than this, hands-down.
I knew my disappointment with S2 would just get worse in the opening moments of episode 4, when the choice regarding Sarita (at the end of e… morepisode 3) was rendered absolutely pointless. Then, 5 minutes later, all of the "work" put into Nick is unceremoniously cast aside like nothing. At that point, I was already done. I watched someone else's playthrough just to see what happened. When the Sarah "thing" happened, I actually yelled out loud "Oh, come on!" and threw my hands up.
I won't even be playing episode 5, I'm so disappointed with how S2 has gone.
Yes, I feel like I'm heading there too. I was disappointed with episode 3, but had high hopes they could turn everything around with this episode, and although there were steps in the right direction, like more hub-like features... it just didn't cut it for me. I lost any attachment to all of the characters, and could care less when any of the characters I cared about died this episode since their deaths were so underwhelming, there was literally nothing to make me want to care when they died, unless being pissed off they were axed without proper character development counts. The only character I'm attached to now is Clementine, before I was attached to Luke also, but he disappointed me this episode and I feel nothing of the bond he Clem formed earlier in the season.
There just isn't that emotional impact season 1 had this season for me... the only deaths I felt anything so far for have been Sam's, Walter's, Alvin's and Omid's, and even then weren't very much since it was more of a sudden in the moment feeling. The choices we make I also feel like don't impact much outside of extra dialogue or a character present that says/does nothing before an unemotional death. I don't know... there just isn't much for me to get excited about for episode 5 or want to continue on with the story, aside from my attachment to Clem. Mike and Bonnie are the only characters in our current group I'm not pissed off at, and there were just so many characters that had wasted potential... I just don't care anymore.
There are some things I like better about season 2 than season 1, like playing as Clementine, better graphics, and I did like some of the characters a lot earlier on this season, but they've all fallen short now. Season 2 definitely isn't living up to being better than or equal to season 1. I still enjoy it somewhat, but it just keeps disappointing me.
Or what if they made this season with an entire new character... and at the end of the season the new character meets up with Clem! That would've been pretty cool, to me.
Guess they could always go that route with season 3.
Like others, my emotion is gone as well. The only characters that I care about are Clem and Luke. They just haven't given me the time to lik… moree anyone else as much as I'd like. To add, as much as I like Clem, this story will grow stale if she remains the center focus of the entire series, yet I'm not so sure that TT would continue on without her. As of right now, I see Clem becoming a cold hearted machine & at that point, us players wouldn't know how to feel about that.
I don't know....TT has gotten themselves in a bit of a pickle.
It's apparent that it's all about Clem and thusly, it makes every other character pointless in the grand scheme of things and this season is point proof of that. Perhaps they should've made her a secondary character or they should've started from scratch and then have her make an appearance later on.
They could, but who knows if Clementine (as a written character) can recover from Season 2's inconsistent treatment of her... She doesn't seem like a person so much anymore.
Or what if they made this season with an entire new character... and at the end of the season the new character meets up with Clem! That would've been pretty cool, to me.
Guess they could always go that route with season 3.
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Nick died
Sarah died, out of all the deaths I actually cried when this happened to Sarah (reminds me of the time Lee...)
Jane left
Kenny got mad at me big time
Luke was pissing me off
Arvo said I stole the medicine even though I chose not to
Rebecca died and she just had a baby
I thought I could've saved Sarita if I chopped her hand off, but.... I practically murdered her
This episode gave me depression :c
At least Mike and Bonnie were there to lighten the mood.
Ask yourself:
What was the major conflict in season 1?
What's the major conflict in season 2?
That'll probably tell you why season two is having a harder time creating an engaging story.
I can't even read this comment. Why is every word first-letter capitalized? Why no use of punctuation? Also, you make no coherent point. You just complain excessively and over-exaggerate about peoples' criticisms.
Look, TellTale is clearly stretched too thin with 4 series in the pipeline. Every part of the narrative in Season 2 has been half-assed and lackluster. Pure shock value, no real character development and pay-off. The only high points were when Clem was proving herself to the group early in Season 2, and when she re-united with Kenny. Every potential bit of character development for everyone else has fallen flat and been rendered pointless by their lazily-handled deaths. It goes beyond the "illusion of choice" to "give them something to click on, then make it irrelevant later anyways".
Season 1 was handled so much better than this, hands-down.
snip (didn't mean this as a reply).
I knew my disappointment with S2 would just get worse in the opening moments of episode 4, when the choice regarding Sarita (at the end of episode 3) was rendered absolutely pointless. Then, 5 minutes later, all of the "work" put into Nick is unceremoniously cast aside like nothing. At that point, I was already done. I watched someone else's playthrough just to see what happened. When the Sarah "thing" happened, I actually yelled out loud "Oh, come on!" and threw my hands up.
I won't even be playing episode 5, I'm so disappointed with how S2 has gone.
Like others, my emotion is gone as well. The only characters that I care about are Clem and Luke. They just haven't given me the time to like anyone else as much as I'd like. To add, as much as I like Clem, this story will grow stale if she remains the center focus of the entire series, yet I'm not so sure that TT would continue on without her. As of right now, I see Clem becoming a cold hearted machine & at that point, us players wouldn't know how to feel about that.
I don't know....TT has gotten themselves in a bit of a pickle.
It's apparent that it's all about Clem and thusly, it makes every other character pointless in the grand scheme of things and this season is point proof of that. Perhaps they should've made her a secondary character or they should've started from scratch and then have her make an appearance later on.
No.. Arvo said you stole from him because Jane steals his gun.
I haven't cared about any of the characters other than Clementine since S2E1 (I even cared about Clementine far more in season 1). The only character's death that made me feel kind of sad was Walter's, which is just pathetic considering he was onscreen for a total of 15 minutes. Compare this to season 1, where even Larry's death made me feel like a total asshole.
I don't expect Telltale to make anything anywhere near the quality of season 1 again. They dug their own grave when they started working on 4 games at once, even after losing their 2 best writers. It doesn't help that a 1 hour episode is now deemed acceptable.
Yep, and it affected Wolf Among Us in the same way: shorter and shorter episodes, with degrading quality of writing. It's a shame, after that fantastic first Season of TWD.
Man, am I lucky that I still can enjoy the game, seeing you guys pessimism. I actually enjoyed this episode, and I had to pause the game at twice to collect my thoughts and make a decision. Yes, they didn't matter, but still.
On the Decisions thing. While I do wish that our choices would make more impact, I like that not all our choices make a difference. See, as Gamers we are used to be in full control of what happens. If we want to, we can save everyone even if the odds are impossible. But Telltales games are not like that. Real Life would not be like that. In Real Life, often even if a decision that seems important doesn't matter. And TWD captures this feeling. Sarah's death was unavoidable, as mean as it sounds, and that's often how life is, unavoidable.
And about the emotions. While I absolutely felt emotions, maybe what happened to many of you is what would happen to many in a Real Zombie Apocalypse. You just get numb to all the death because it happens so often. After a while, you stop caring. I am sure that if this Episode was in the first Season, you'd still feel the emotions, but after so many Episodes and Deaths, you don't feel the same about it anymore.
Anyway, just to make sure, I absolutely respect all your opinions.
wow looks like we got another troller who likes to think he knows it all well done sir well done want a cookie?
good for u maybe then u won't be posting and thinking u know it all
Yes, I feel like I'm heading there too. I was disappointed with episode 3, but had high hopes they could turn everything around with this episode, and although there were steps in the right direction, like more hub-like features... it just didn't cut it for me. I lost any attachment to all of the characters, and could care less when any of the characters I cared about died this episode since their deaths were so underwhelming, there was literally nothing to make me want to care when they died, unless being pissed off they were axed without proper character development counts. The only character I'm attached to now is Clementine, before I was attached to Luke also, but he disappointed me this episode and I feel nothing of the bond he Clem formed earlier in the season.
There just isn't that emotional impact season 1 had this season for me... the only deaths I felt anything so far for have been Sam's, Walter's, Alvin's and Omid's, and even then weren't very much since it was more of a sudden in the moment feeling. The choices we make I also feel like don't impact much outside of extra dialogue or a character present that says/does nothing before an unemotional death. I don't know... there just isn't much for me to get excited about for episode 5 or want to continue on with the story, aside from my attachment to Clem. Mike and Bonnie are the only characters in our current group I'm not pissed off at, and there were just so many characters that had wasted potential... I just don't care anymore.
There are some things I like better about season 2 than season 1, like playing as Clementine, better graphics, and I did like some of the characters a lot earlier on this season, but they've all fallen short now. Season 2 definitely isn't living up to being better than or equal to season 1. I still enjoy it somewhat, but it just keeps disappointing me.
Or what if they made this season with an entire new character... and at the end of the season the new character meets up with Clem! That would've been pretty cool, to me.
Guess they could always go that route with season 3.
They could, but who knows if Clementine (as a written character) can recover from Season 2's inconsistent treatment of her... She doesn't seem like a person so much anymore.