"We don't leave friends behind."
So, Amid The Ruins had a lot of leaving behind choices, the most heavy being Sarah I believe? So I wanted to know how your Clementine is going. Has growing up in the apocalypse COMPLETELY changed her? Or is she still the same? Mine is a bit of both, she dosen't leave friends behind, but there is always a limit.
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I'm not leaving anyone behind, I'm trying to be a good person.
I left Sarah.
You can't save everyone. Some people just can't make it. Did people actually expect Sarah to become a badass sharpshooter like Clementine? Come on.
Jane was right. Some people can just drag you down and Sarah was one of them. I wasn't gonna continue to waste Jane, Luke, and I's time by trying to save an unsaveable.
Am I happy to leave a young girl to die? No. I shed a tear hearing her cry for Clem. But in the end, she's better in death anyway. Carlos fucked up by sheltering her from the horrors of the world and she paid the price for his over-protective parenting.
My Clementine tries, depending on the situation. I didn't give up on Sarah. I felt terrible that she died instead of Jane though. Of 'course' the lady who assumes she knows everything stays alive. xD
Leaving Sarah behind is an out-of-character option for Clementine. Not that it mattered anyway, though. Sarah's death was a cheap and anticlimactic pull for Feels either way.
My Lee left no one behind, so is my Clem. Lee would so proud of her now.
My morals nearly always get the best of me and I feel the obligation to save them, like with Ben. I mean, why leave someone behind when you could easily save them?
Well, I think the choice was easy the first time. You had to try, the only thing holding her back was her emotions, which could easily be soothed by a friend, even if it meant slapping her. However, the second time, not so much.
at least you could saving her ????
You can either describe my Clementine’s ideology from the start of season two as one of two things: cynical or realistic. From the decision’s Lee made, and the time spent with Christa I see Clementine as lost a lot of her innocent naivety which is one reason she became friends with Sarah as she embodied everything that Clementine used to be and who she in a way still wanted to be. Surrounded by death and misery she saw it as a sort of hope to hold on to. My Clementine was blunt, matter-of-fact throughout this season as she stated deadpan questions, blunt observations, and continuously developing survival instincts.
As the season progressed and she met Carver something began to terrify her as she realized that she was losing herself as he told her that he and her were the same type of person. The thing is, Clementine believed/agreed with him despite telling him they weren’t the same because to acknowledge that would be a road she could never turn back from. Watching his death, she needed to see it to not just see a monster brought down but to see that part of herself get punished. As they escaped she took to Jane as her new mentor, something she really didn’t have since Lee left the world and as Kenny told her that everything was her fault which created an apathy with her. But at that moment, Clementine still had Sarah.
After Sarah’s death, my idea of Clementine was completely deadened as Jane took off where while Clementine said she understood wanted to tell her that she was going to follow her anyway—to tell her that she needed her because as she was in the state of the group she felt she had no one and wasn’t sure of WHY to push on. The finale is going to be rough for my Clementine, but the naïve optimism presented in Clementine is dead—it died when Sarah screamed out and perished.
Mine has had the optimism beat out of her, and now she just wants to be smart, survive, and be around capable people she can rely on. I kind of feel like she doesn't really like herself for some of the things she does, and doesn't feel that Lee or her parents would be proud of her, but she feels they're what it takes to make it now. I'm also having her become somewhat disillusioned with being in a group, feeling like people will just let you down, crumble and/or turn on you and now she's more into the idea of making it alone.
IDK, I think it makes for a more interesting, tragic narrative. Suffice to say, Jane was a big influence, lol.
If you ask me, Jane is the only true mentor for Clementine this season.
Very much agreed. I even asked if I could leave with her, though I knew we wouldn't be able to. She's the most fitting person for Clem to partner up with hands down in my eyes, unless Christa's still out there somewhere.
I don’t think Christa’s a good fit, but that’s because I see her unable to teach Clementine any more after what she’s learned with her second group through her experiences and I doubt Clementine’s psychosis (from my perspective) would work well with Christa anymore. I mean it’d be nice, but I’m not sure if it’d be beneficial.
But yeah, I asked to leave with Jane too but I think Jane refused more out of fear of “feeling” rather than fear of being in a “group” – though I suppose you could connect the two ideas. As I said in another thread, I think Jane is afraid of feeling and that’s why she’s running away. I actually hope it brings her back to help out in the final episode as some sort of redemption arc as the writers were hinting at that briefly in the trailer park through the dialogue wheel. How weird is it that Jane is the most interesting thing about this season and we only really get to know her in this episode?
There’s also my analysis of my (admittedly roleplay heavy) perspective of Clementine in this thread too.
My Clem made an effort to talk to Sarah, but when the zombies got in and it was time to go, Sarah was given one last chance to get up, she chose not to, then it was time to leave her behind.. "We don't leave friends behind" does not mean we all have to stay and die.
Sarah was not my friend. I literally ignored her when she talked to me just LOL.
I'm a little torn. Jane is probably the best fit in terms of Clementine's survival, in both the partner and mentor departments, but I do feel a sense of loyalty to Christa after everything she did for us. I know she and Clementine didn't have the best relationship considering everything that happened, but we know she can take care of herself and is a valuable survivor and I would have a difficult time not going with her if we came across her again, for both personal and practical reasons, unless she's completely fallen apart or something.
I definitely agree about Jane's reasons for leaving too and it'd be nice to see her confront her fears of forming attachment and come back for us in the finale. I was very impressed with how well they developed her considering this season's issue with that in general, and it would be a shame to not have her reappear and resolve her arc.
Really liked your analysis and found myself nodding along. Especially loved the bit about Carver's words to her, mte.
Yeah we didn't know jackshit about her in episode 3 and now she got an extreme amount of space for us to get to know her, seems very likely she'll come back. Maybe rushes to help when she hears the shooting (she shouldn't be that far away since we can assume she headed to the town as well?)
I can't believe even Ben lasted longer then Sarah...considering if you save Ben in episode 4 in season 1, he doesn't just die off until the next episode.
She tries to save everybody and leaves nobody behind.
I try to make clementine have good choices, keeping her humanity, but at the same time isn't 100% innocent with choices, like some of the dialouge.
I told this a few comments ago "We don't leave friends behind" Ben was Clems friend and so is Sarah
My Clementine is somewhat the same as she was before. I left Sarah behind though. She was Clem's "friend" and all, but she would've just put herself in the same situation later on down the line. Jane had a point. -ish
Rushes to help? More like Rushes to search the bodies.
In our normal life, yes we don't leave friends behind. In TWD universe, yes we do. The strong survive.
If season two did something really right it was probably the dynamic with Jane showing us that they can pull off characterizations with huge depth in one episode. I just wish the Sarah stuff had more payout, but I think I can get over it and realize that Jane is right with "everyone's luck runs out eventually". I'm really looking forward to the season finale but I can't help but feel I'm really motivated to fanfic the shit out of my own observations but I rarely keep going with such short stories.
Can't she do both inadvertently? lol.
and Ben ran off leaving Clem alone on the street in Savannah. what a loyal friend he was.
My Clem doesn't leave anyone behind. People survive by pulling together. Think about it. Carver and his group were such a threat because they were just that, A group. A very big group full of people. Not everyone in the group was strong. Reggie only had one arm. Shel and Beca aren't the strongest people ever. Neither were wyatt or russel. But they survived as long as they did because they joined a group. Pulling together is what made society. Or we as a species could still be nomads who kill anyone we come across. My Clementine doesn't want to just survive the night to wake up in the morning. She wants to trust people whenever she can.
Just my humble opinion
I think my Clem is falling apart a little. Especially in this episode.
I mean, she tried to save Sarita's life, and that backfired. Now Kenny seems like he can't stand being around her, and considering she supported him 100% episodes 2/3, that's a harsh blow for her. She started bonding with Jane, and for a while it seemed like whatever happened she might have Jane and Luke. Then of course, Jane left. And Luke seems to be losing it a little. Clem tried really hard to look after Sarah, and stayed behind to save her in the caravan thing. My Clem's already starting to get emotionally closed off before this point, but she wants to try for Sarah, like Lee tried for her. Anyway, now Sarah's dead. She also tried to befriend Nick after they got off to a bad start (partly to fulfil her promise to Pete), and he's also dead. Same with Rebecca, after Clem tried to help with the baby stuff. And that's just in this episode, never mind Omid, Christa, Alvin, Walter, Pete and all of season 1!
Poor Clem is seriously depressed these days, and less inclined to make friends than ever.
"Don't I get a vote?"
"Of course you do."
"Ben's nice. He's my friend. And we don't leave friends behind."
"They were going to leave me, weren't they?"
"...I don't know."
"How come...you didn't leave me?"
"Because we're friends."
Somethings should never change.
And Clementine forgives him for that
I agree. At first, I left Sarah; I thought it was a mistake, and replayed that part and saved her. Then after that talk between Jane and Clem when they were walking back to the site, I thought, "Damn, I probably should've left you there..." Then when the part to save Jane or Sarah came up, I immediately chose Jane.
Actually... I got a good Lee and a badass Lee saving files in S1, and my Clem just follows Lee's behavior pattern.
Well, she's pretty badass, if you ask me. She's kinda like...What's that girls name... The avatar of skoothz just down here ↓
I believe the name you're looking for is Molly.
I like Jane. She's a survivor. However, in all honesty, I don't think Lee would have just left Sarah without actually TRYING to save her. Hence, my Clementine is the same. I will try my level best to save everyone.
Exactly... I wonder what happened to her?
I'd like TellTale to make like an episode and dedicate it to all those characters that made just appearances and then got away.
What happened to Ed? Lily? Molly? CHRISTA?
I believe Christa's gonna appear in the next episode... I HOPE.
I never break my pinky-swear. I tryed to save her. I know that I cant save anyone, that there are people who better end up dead, because they just cant make it. And deep down in my heart I know that Jane was right. Sarah pulled me down. And there was many situation where i could die because of her. Dont get me wrong, I am an asshole and give tough answers, but i leave nobody behind. Never. Specially if its a friend. I fight for my friends every second and i would carry them the whole goddamn way to wellington, IF I can. I really fight for Sarah. And watchign her die makes it even harder for me...iot was one of the hardest game death that i've eve rmust go threw. In some weird way it was more horrible than Lees death. But I can handle it. I'm happy that I'm the kind of person who still tryed it. Even if I'm an asshole in many situation, I will never be like carver.
I'm Daryl as a girl
That sounds like a really cool idea!