Actually, I think that your (and many others') exact reaction might have been TellTale's goal in the first place. They want to push us to make the harsher decisions. Yeah, it's left a lot of players really frustrated with how shitty the situation's become. Even if you act nice, all our decisions seem to be for naught. But I think that's exactly what they're trying to accomplish. They're trying to show that this world is "harsh and ugly and survival of the fittest" as TV-Dale would say. And to push so far to make a change not just in their own characters like Clementine (character development) but make a change in their own players is pretty impressive, if you ask me.
Unfortunately, a side effect of this is that most people just seem to be turned off by the game now more than ever.
Yeah. I told him that we had a baby and he was like "YOU HAVE A BABY!?" and it sounded like he was trying to get the rest to stop. He was all panicky and it sounded like he was trying to make piece between us.
Yeah, no one even cared that Sarah died. Jane was literally the only one in my game who even mentioned it. She looked sad and said she was sorry she couldn't save her. No one else really cared. Plus Arvo lied and said I stole his supplies when I didn't. Everyone kid of made me hate them this episode. I thought that Bonnie and Mike were cool, but they didn't seem to care that Sarah died either.
Yeah, no one even cared that Sarah died. Jane was literally the only one in my game who even mentioned it. She looked sad and said she was s… moreorry she couldn't save her. No one else really cared. Plus Arvo lied and said I stole his supplies when I didn't. Everyone kid of made me hate them this episode. I thought that Bonnie and Mike were cool, but they didn't seem to care that Sarah died either.
I agree. But I couldn't be more invested in the ending now. The thing is I've never had a video game make me feel so broken up inside and desolate before. I couldn't care if everyone BUT Clementine ended up dying in the gunfire. I just want to be alone, I think it would be better.
Actually, I think that your (and many others') exact reaction might have been TellTale's goal in the first place. They want to push us to ma… moreke the harsher decisions. Yeah, it's left a lot of players really frustrated with how shitty the situation's become. Even if you act nice, all our decisions seem to be for naught. But I think that's exactly what they're trying to accomplish. They're trying to show that this world is "harsh and ugly and survival of the fittest" as TV-Dale would say. And to push so far to make a change not just in their own characters like Clementine (character development) but make a change in their own players is pretty impressive, if you ask me.
Unfortunately, a side effect of this is that most people just seem to be turned off by the game now more than ever.
But in the end its really full of irony... The murderer, villain who was on his way to prison when all this shit happened give up his life for a girl, his last light of hope in this corrupted world... and in the end she becomes a lot worse then monsters he was trying to save her from...
Times like this, is when I remember Walter from Episode 2. Reggie from Episode 3. Pete from Episode 1. The hope you gave Sarah in Episode 4.… more
And then I remember a nice quote from another media.
"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." (Lee vs Clem)
I know taking from the Russian bastard was going to backfire. I just knew that was a bad mistake as soon as I did it. But why was he dumping it in the trashcan?
I guess I hadn't thought about it that way. I can only control what Clem does, and with Lee gone, I haven't felt like Clem had anyone she could rely on or trust. So this episode didn't make me lose faith in people because Clem has been alone in this group the whole time.
If Lee had let Clem down, that would have been a big deal, but I didn't expect much from these people. Kenny's just being crazy. Kenny has always turned on people who do not do what he wants 100% of the time. He's treating Clem exactly how he treated Lee, which is totally out of line since she's a kid (and also because Kenny should be able to deal with people having their own opinions). Luke was never that reliable and he's cracking. Jane isn't a hypocrite. She tried to save Sarah when I asked even though she thought it was pointless. She's hardened up after she had to watch her sister die and doesn't want to be part of a group like that and get hurt again. She left because she was starting to care about people, risking herself to save people and she doesn't want to let herself feel and be hurt again.
It wasn't the events themselves that made me snap, it was that every single thing we've endured was for shit. That and everyone's true color… mores were shown. Kenny hates me cause I made a split second decision to try to save Sarita, Luke is a disappointment that only cares about his own interests, Jane is a hypocrite, and the group as a whole is not concerned with anyone but themselves.
A fire went off when Sarah died, nobody gave a fuck a young girl died a death she had no control over. Just like Pete, just like Reggie, just like Carlos, just like Nick, and now Sarah. They're selfish, and I'm done with them.
If you decide to side with Kenny about leaving in the next morning and then let him hold the baby, Luke will say something like "Oh, that wasn't such a surprise, considering your decision yesterday" and he will remember that. And the argument on the balcony may matter too but I don't know because I told Luke and Kenny that they're both jerks.
But in the end its really full of irony... The murderer, villain who was on his way to prison when all this shit happened give up his life f… moreor a girl, his last light of hope in this corrupted world... and in the end she becomes a lot worse then monsters he was trying to save her from...
Sorry, for my poor english xD
The decision of whether to steal the meds was one of only a couple of decisions in the entire game where I was genuinely torn and had no idea what to do (I stole). The only other one that really got me like that was Larry in the meat locker.
Love being put on the spot and having to make these tough calls.
Yes, yes I know, neither decision impacts the story much, but that's not the point, it's how the situation makes you feel at the time that matters.
what if TT is doing this on purpose???? that carver quote of the weak and helpless, janes about people all dying and being a weight on people who can survive. hell even chucks quote. could they be cooking up something where all of the decisions that didn't seem to matter so much at the end somehow come back to haunt us or change the character??
Ahh. Yeah, Kenny says something similar if you side with Luke twice (waiting for a few days and then agreeing a second time while they're all walking).
If you decide to side with Kenny about leaving in the next morning and then let him hold the baby, Luke will say something like "Oh, that wa… moresn't such a surprise, considering your decision yesterday" and he will remember that. And the argument on the balcony may matter too but I don't know because I told Luke and Kenny that they're both jerks.
I felt really accomplished after the baby was successfully born, It felt really good. Satisfied even, I had done something good out of these circumstances.
I felt really accomplished after the baby was successfully born, It felt really good. Satisfied even, I had done something good out of these circumstances.
This episode broke me..
I stole from a guy ..
Killed Kenny's only bright light
Didnt try and help Sarah
Got on Luke's bad side
And possibly got everyone but me killed..
Yeah me too, about the investment, and feeling broken up. We want to like the characters like Luke and Kenny, but now we can't since TT made them such jerks. Before when people were talking about possibly leaving the group, most people seemed against it. "Nuh-uh, we're together, and we're gonna stick it through" lots of ppl said. I predicted that if TT wanted us to want to be alone, some serious shiz would have to go down. And the stresses in this last episode have certainly reached that level. It would be interesting if instead of just a "pizza vs. ice cream" there's also a "starve" choice lol as some ppl have suggested. Personally, I'm undecided right now amongst those three...
I agree. But I couldn't be more invested in the ending now. The thing is I've never had a video game make me feel so broken up inside and de… moresolate before. I couldn't care if everyone BUT Clementine ended up dying in the gunfire. I just want to be alone, I think it would be better.
Same. Sarita's death sort of broke Clementine, IMO. She tried to save Sarita by chopping the arm. Kenny threw it back in her face, putting the blame on Clementine's shoulders, even more so because she kept Sarita from turning.
He wasn't in his right mind, but still...think about what that shit does to a person. Sarah's death in the RV just made that feeling worse. Robbing Arvo was a nasty thing to do, but it makes sense that she was ready to do it if Rebecca had a better chance of pulling through. By the end of the episode, Jane is gone, Kenny and Luke are at each other's throats and one of hem is angry at Clem for not backing him up.
Then she had to deliver the coup de grace to Rebecca....so yeah, compassion basically died at the beginning of the episode. Now, Clementine is quickly running out of reasons to stay the group, or keep going in general.
I tried to save Sarita; she still died and to top it off Kenny blames me.
I stole the pills from Arvo knowing that it was morally wrong, but thinking that the result would be worth it, but instead it didn't seem to result in anything positive. (Rebecca still dies, and to my knowledge there is no dialogue that shows anyone else receiving any medication.)
Sarah. Oh man. Several times we have the option to help her yet in the end it doesn't even matter. She still dies, while screaming for her dad or Clem to save her. Brutal.
Nick's death. Clem is once again forced to put down another person she cares about.
After a heavy dose of sister bonding between Jane and Clem, Jane still leaves. After replaying I realized that Jane was the one who made Clem smile the most (or at all) in that episode. "I always wanted a sister.."
I feel like every time I get one step forward, TellTale is there dragging me two steps back with a smug grin.
Yeah me too, about the investment, and feeling broken up. We want to like the characters like Luke and Kenny, but now we can't since TT made… more them such jerks. Before when people were talking about possibly leaving the group, most people seemed against it. "Nuh-uh, we're together, and we're gonna stick it through" lots of ppl said. I predicted that if TT wanted us to want to be alone, some serious shiz would have to go down. And the stresses in this last episode have certainly reached that level. It would be interesting if instead of just a "pizza vs. ice cream" there's also a "starve" choice lol as some ppl have suggested. Personally, I'm undecided right now amongst those three...
I couldn't agree more. I wonder what we're fighting for anymore. No purpose, just putting more grains of sand in our hour glass while taking from others like Sarah's and Pete's. I won't do it anymore.
Indeed. This episode was emotionally draining.
* I tried to save Sarita; she still died and to top it off Kenny blames me.
* I stole t… morehe pills from Arvo knowing that it was morally wrong, but thinking that the result would be worth it, but instead it didn't seem to result in anything positive. (Rebecca still dies, and to my knowledge there is no dialogue that shows anyone else receiving any medication.)
* Sarah. Oh man. Several times we have the option to help her yet in the end it doesn't even matter. She still dies, while screaming for her dad or Clem to save her. Brutal.
* Nick's death. Clem is once again forced to put down another person she cares about.
* After a heavy dose of sister bonding between Jane and Clem, Jane still leaves. After replaying I realized that Jane was the one who made Clem smile the most (or at all) in that episode. "I always wanted a sister.."
I feel like every time I get one step forward, TellTale is there dragging me two steps back with a smug grin.
What I mean when I say Jane's a hypocrite is she talks all about survival and shit, bringing up great points. Then fucks some dick she just met an hour ago. Putting everyones lives at risk... so what about survival again?
I guess I hadn't thought about it that way. I can only control what Clem does, and with Lee gone, I haven't felt like Clem had anyone she co… moreuld rely on or trust. So this episode didn't make me lose faith in people because Clem has been alone in this group the whole time.
If Lee had let Clem down, that would have been a big deal, but I didn't expect much from these people. Kenny's just being crazy. Kenny has always turned on people who do not do what he wants 100% of the time. He's treating Clem exactly how he treated Lee, which is totally out of line since she's a kid (and also because Kenny should be able to deal with people having their own opinions). Luke was never that reliable and he's cracking. Jane isn't a hypocrite. She tried to save Sarah when I asked even though she thought it was pointless. She's hardened up after she had to watch her sister die and doesn't want to be part of a group like that and get hurt again. She left becaus… [view original content]
Luke gave me some "disapointing" looks throughout the whole episode. Mostly during calling him and Kenny jerks and taking medicine from Arvo. Also, he gave me one after rescuing Sarah for some reason, I forget why.
Luke gave me some "disapointing" looks throughout the whole episode. Mostly during calling him and Kenny jerks and taking medicine from Arvo. Also, he gave me one after rescuing Sarah for some reason, I forget why.
I have the same feeling. During this episode everyone was just starting to piss me off by doing different things. I left Sarah because I felt she was a lost cause at that time and if I tried to save her that 2nd time it would of gotten Jane killed and Clem needed Jane alive more. But then the shit with Kenny yelling at you really pissed me off. I understand he's depressed and all and I felt bad for him but the way he went off on Clem made me wish I had a choice to yell right back at him. Then when Luke basically says screw it and gets his mack on I'm like "REALLY?!" The only person I will actually be upset if they die is Mike. He seems like a cool dude. Kenny and Luke just pissed me off this episode to the point where I don't care about them at the moment and Bonnie, just screw her as I don't trust her. If it wasn't for the baby I'd be like "peace ya'll it was nice knowing ya send me a post card updating me on more stupid bickering"
Yep, my Clementine was heading this direction anyway, but man, you could just see her soul dying that much more as this episode went on. Between chopping/axing Sarita, getting emotionally destroyed by Kenny, watching Sarah torn to pieces after I left her, having to shoot Rebecca, losing the faith I had in Luke, getting bailed on by the next person I was forming an attachment to after him in Jane, watching this group argue and die and generally fall apart and feeling like Clem has no true friends that care about her person and sanity it's like...fuck. Jane was right, survive at all costs, what else is there for her anyway at this point? At least with these people (considering Mike and Bonnie are probably going to die).
I have the same feeling. During this episode everyone was just starting to piss me off by doing different things. I left Sarah because I fel… moret she was a lost cause at that time and if I tried to save her that 2nd time it would of gotten Jane killed and Clem needed Jane alive more. But then the shit with Kenny yelling at you really pissed me off. I understand he's depressed and all and I felt bad for him but the way he went off on Clem made me wish I had a choice to yell right back at him. Then when Luke basically says screw it and gets his mack on I'm like "REALLY?!" The only person I will actually be upset if they die is Mike. He seems like a cool dude. Kenny and Luke just pissed me off this episode to the point where I don't care about them at the moment and Bonnie, just screw her as I don't trust her. If it wasn't for the baby I'd be like "peace ya'll it was nice knowing ya send me a post card updating me on more stupid bickering"
My Clementine's main and only goal this season was trying to protect Sarah while training her to fight against the world, but now that Sarah's been lost to the herd, the only thing left to protect is Rebecca's baby. I will stop at nothing to keep that last ray of light alive in these dark times, even if that means sacrificing somebody else. This world has changed the innocent Clementine we all knew and loved in season 1 and the next episode will make this fact more than clear.
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Actually, I think that your (and many others') exact reaction might have been TellTale's goal in the first place. They want to push us to make the harsher decisions. Yeah, it's left a lot of players really frustrated with how shitty the situation's become. Even if you act nice, all our decisions seem to be for naught. But I think that's exactly what they're trying to accomplish. They're trying to show that this world is "harsh and ugly and survival of the fittest" as TV-Dale would say. And to push so far to make a change not just in their own characters like Clementine (character development) but make a change in their own players is pretty impressive, if you ask me.
Unfortunately, a side effect of this is that most people just seem to be turned off by the game now more than ever.
Yeah. I told him that we had a baby and he was like "YOU HAVE A BABY!?" and it sounded like he was trying to get the rest to stop. He was all panicky and it sounded like he was trying to make piece between us.
Yeah, no one even cared that Sarah died. Jane was literally the only one in my game who even mentioned it. She looked sad and said she was sorry she couldn't save her. No one else really cared. Plus Arvo lied and said I stole his supplies when I didn't. Everyone kid of made me hate them this episode. I thought that Bonnie and Mike were cool, but they didn't seem to care that Sarah died either.
Fair to say Arvo is a dead man walking.
Exactly, I didn't even like Sarah. But I was by far the most broken up by her death.
This is a trial. Will you keep doing what you think is right when there's hardly payback?
When I'm done with him he'll be a dead man crawling.
I agree. But I couldn't be more invested in the ending now. The thing is I've never had a video game make me feel so broken up inside and desolate before. I couldn't care if everyone BUT Clementine ended up dying in the gunfire. I just want to be alone, I think it would be better.
When I'm done with him, he'll wish he were dead.
But in the end its really full of irony... The murderer, villain who was on his way to prison when all this shit happened give up his life for a girl, his last light of hope in this corrupted world... and in the end she becomes a lot worse then monsters he was trying to save her from...
Sorry, for my poor english xD
I let Arvo keep his meds and made him leave because I too thought that stealing would backfire but his group screws u over either way
oh my god
i totaly though that in episode 3 
I guess I hadn't thought about it that way. I can only control what Clem does, and with Lee gone, I haven't felt like Clem had anyone she could rely on or trust. So this episode didn't make me lose faith in people because Clem has been alone in this group the whole time.
If Lee had let Clem down, that would have been a big deal, but I didn't expect much from these people. Kenny's just being crazy. Kenny has always turned on people who do not do what he wants 100% of the time. He's treating Clem exactly how he treated Lee, which is totally out of line since she's a kid (and also because Kenny should be able to deal with people having their own opinions). Luke was never that reliable and he's cracking. Jane isn't a hypocrite. She tried to save Sarah when I asked even though she thought it was pointless. She's hardened up after she had to watch her sister die and doesn't want to be part of a group like that and get hurt again. She left because she was starting to care about people, risking herself to save people and she doesn't want to let herself feel and be hurt again.
If you decide to side with Kenny about leaving in the next morning and then let him hold the baby, Luke will say something like "Oh, that wasn't such a surprise, considering your decision yesterday" and he will remember that. And the argument on the balcony may matter too but I don't know because I told Luke and Kenny that they're both jerks.
lol true
The decision of whether to steal the meds was one of only a couple of decisions in the entire game where I was genuinely torn and had no idea what to do (I stole). The only other one that really got me like that was Larry in the meat locker.
Love being put on the spot and having to make these tough calls.
Yes, yes I know, neither decision impacts the story much, but that's not the point, it's how the situation makes you feel at the time that matters.
what if TT is doing this on purpose???? that carver quote of the weak and helpless, janes about people all dying and being a weight on people who can survive. hell even chucks quote. could they be cooking up something where all of the decisions that didn't seem to matter so much at the end somehow come back to haunt us or change the character??
Ahh. Yeah, Kenny says something similar if you side with Luke twice (waiting for a few days and then agreeing a second time while they're all walking).
I felt really accomplished after the baby was successfully born, It felt really good. Satisfied even, I had done something good out of these circumstances.
I wasn't, cause I know that something bad will happen to him. I'm just pessimistic at this point, I'd be suprised if he lived through a week.
You know what I'm done with? I'm done for getting a hard time when i decided to go on Lukes/Kennys site. No matter hwat I say they hate me. Fuckers
omg me too
wtf happened to me? I was so good in Season 1, trying to be a "hero"... now i think only to "survive", don't caring about "good" or "evil".... lol
Yeah me too, about the investment, and feeling broken up. We want to like the characters like Luke and Kenny, but now we can't since TT made them such jerks. Before when people were talking about possibly leaving the group, most people seemed against it. "Nuh-uh, we're together, and we're gonna stick it through" lots of ppl said. I predicted that if TT wanted us to want to be alone, some serious shiz would have to go down. And the stresses in this last episode have certainly reached that level. It would be interesting if instead of just a "pizza vs. ice cream" there's also a "starve" choice lol as some ppl have suggested. Personally, I'm undecided right now amongst those three...
Same. Sarita's death sort of broke Clementine, IMO. She tried to save Sarita by chopping the arm. Kenny threw it back in her face, putting the blame on Clementine's shoulders, even more so because she kept Sarita from turning.
He wasn't in his right mind, but still...think about what that shit does to a person. Sarah's death in the RV just made that feeling worse. Robbing Arvo was a nasty thing to do, but it makes sense that she was ready to do it if Rebecca had a better chance of pulling through. By the end of the episode, Jane is gone, Kenny and Luke are at each other's throats and one of hem is angry at Clem for not backing him up.
Then she had to deliver the coup de grace to Rebecca....so yeah, compassion basically died at the beginning of the episode. Now, Clementine is quickly running out of reasons to stay the group, or keep going in general.
Indeed. This episode was emotionally draining.
I feel like every time I get one step forward, TellTale is there dragging me two steps back with a smug grin.
I've wanted Clementine to go off on her own for some time now. But now... shit. I NEED to go off on my own, just take my chances.
Just say "fuck it."
They don't want you, then so be it. Leave 'em behind.
I couldn't agree more. I wonder what we're fighting for anymore. No purpose, just putting more grains of sand in our hour glass while taking from others like Sarah's and Pete's. I won't do it anymore.
What I mean when I say Jane's a hypocrite is she talks all about survival and shit, bringing up great points. Then fucks some dick she just met an hour ago. Putting everyones lives at risk... so what about survival again?
Luke gave me some "disapointing" looks throughout the whole episode. Mostly during calling him and Kenny jerks and taking medicine from Arvo. Also, he gave me one after rescuing Sarah for some reason, I forget why.
Cause Luke's a dick?
I have the same feeling. During this episode everyone was just starting to piss me off by doing different things. I left Sarah because I felt she was a lost cause at that time and if I tried to save her that 2nd time it would of gotten Jane killed and Clem needed Jane alive more. But then the shit with Kenny yelling at you really pissed me off. I understand he's depressed and all and I felt bad for him but the way he went off on Clem made me wish I had a choice to yell right back at him. Then when Luke basically says screw it and gets his mack on I'm like "REALLY?!" The only person I will actually be upset if they die is Mike. He seems like a cool dude. Kenny and Luke just pissed me off this episode to the point where I don't care about them at the moment and Bonnie, just screw her as I don't trust her. If it wasn't for the baby I'd be like "peace ya'll it was nice knowing ya send me a post card updating me on more stupid bickering"
Well some people are done being compassionate :c especially when it comes to the ZA
Yep, my Clementine was heading this direction anyway, but man, you could just see her soul dying that much more as this episode went on. Between chopping/axing Sarita, getting emotionally destroyed by Kenny, watching Sarah torn to pieces after I left her, having to shoot Rebecca, losing the faith I had in Luke, getting bailed on by the next person I was forming an attachment to after him in Jane, watching this group argue and die and generally fall apart and feeling like Clem has no true friends that care about her person and sanity it's like...fuck. Jane was right, survive at all costs, what else is there for her anyway at this point? At least with these people (considering Mike and Bonnie are probably going to die).
Not really man... he's a pretty awesome dude.
And they pick the WORST times to bitch at each other too. Rebecca collapses from literally dying, and then there they go.
"Lemme hold da baby."
"God, you're so weird."
"Blah blah blah."
My Clementine's main and only goal this season was trying to protect Sarah while training her to fight against the world, but now that Sarah's been lost to the herd, the only thing left to protect is Rebecca's baby. I will stop at nothing to keep that last ray of light alive in these dark times, even if that means sacrificing somebody else. This world has changed the innocent Clementine we all knew and loved in season 1 and the next episode will make this fact more than clear.
No more miss nice Clem.