I don't see why the hate on Kenny for episode 4.
CrazyGeorge
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In episode three, Kenny gets the crap beat out of him because he protected Clementine by taking the radio from her, when Carver was asking for it. (a few hours later in game time) Then in the end of episode 3, you make a choice when dealing with Sarita. I chopped her arm off in attempt to save her life, i knew down deep that she was done for, even before playing the episode.
He just took a beating for Clementine, and lost his eye. People are upset that Kenny said some harsh words to Clementine? Really? Your that mad, that he just saved you from a beating, but now you hate him because he yelled at you. Sounds silly imo.
Now on to episode four. After Sarita dies, Kenny is upset that Sarita is dead. When Clementine comes and tries to talk to him, he freaks out on her. I am not going to defend what he did, but i do understand why he was upset. He lost his girlfriend. Kenny is one of those people you can't win with, i known this since Season 1. The way he acted when Lee decided to try to save Larry instead of killing him, Kenny acted like Lee broke his heart on that decision. Kenny is a jerk sometimes, but it doesn't mean i don't like him, or Clementine will not forgive him for something he said. As Lee said in Episode 5. "Kenny is what passes as a friend, nowadays."
Then Kenny is actually providing the leadership needed at this time. Luke is becoming more of a flake as each episode progresses. Only time will tell to see what happens to this crazy guy.
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Kenny's got a major temper, so I knew it was only a matter of time before he lashed out at Clem too. I guess the thing that bothered me the most about it was that he never apologized for it (not in my playthrough, anyway).
Although I did read in another thread that you get an apology for staying silent during the tent scene, so I'm gonna try that out in my second playthrough.
"slowly claps"
Kenny didn't just say some harsh words to Clementine, he blamed Sarita's death on Clementine. Numerous times. Even if you pick the option, "I tried to save her," he throws it back at you and says, "I'd prefer you had done nothing." Ouch.
It wasn't even the words that made me irritated with him. I felt worried for Clementine. I honestly didn't know what he was going to do—what he was capable of at that moment—and that's a horrible feeling to have. He's unstable and I don't feel safe with him. Not to mention the way he glared at Clementine was....yikes.
Anyway, personally I haven't seen Kenny hate. In fact, most people are defending him but at the same time are calling him out on his mistake, which is good.
"You stupid fucking kid!"
I like Kenny and at this point I don't really care what he does but at the same time I can't blame anyone if they're sick of him or fed up. :0
Well, Kenny is being a leader provided you agree with him, because he doesn't really listen to anyone else's opinion. It's exactly like the boat in Season 1.
"C'mon, Let's get to Savannah and look for the boat"
"Listen, Kenny, maybe the boat isn't the best idea. Maybe we should-"
"NO LEE, THE BOAT IS THE ONLY HOPE. LET'S LOOK FOR THE BOAT."
To be honest, neither Kenny nor Luke is likable right now, they're both at their worst and the group needs a leader. If it comes down to siding with either of them, I'd hope for a third "side with no one" option, or else I guess I'm just gonna go for Luke, he's not as unstable as Kenny, at least. I kinda miss Lee right now =/
Same. Both voice actors knocked it out of the park. Some of Kenny's lines were absolutely chilling.
I'm not going to try to defend what he said, because he said horrible things to Clementine. Kenny is just being Kenny, either you hate him or love him, he is the most realistic character in the game for me anyways. We all know Kenny isn't the most sane individual, he smashed Larry's head in with a Salt Lick, he has been that way the whole game, so what changed?
Kenny turns on people who do not do what he wants 100% of the time. He used to do that with Lee ... now he's doing it with Clem! He doesn't even care if the person who disagrees with him is a kid or not.
And what leadership is Kenny providing? Sitting in a tent feeling sorry for himself while Rebecca needs him? The person who was an adult and went in to talk to him and get him out of that tent was Clem, not Kenny. Clem had to go in there to give Kenny another chance to yell at her. And Kenny didn't even say that he understood that Clem tried. He just unloaded. Clem provided the leadership there.
Or maybe Kenny's leadership is arguing with Luke at every opportunity, maybe even while walkers are just outside and need to be stopped? Luke deserved to be yelled at, but Kenny is lashing out, not being a leader.
In terms of suffering, Kenny doesn't have it worse than Clem. Clem lost her family (saw them as walkers!), lost her surrogate father, lost her new parents (Omid/Christa), had to join up with new survivors who left her in a shed and made her do incredibly dangerous things, then lost them too ... Sure, Kenny also lost a lot, but he doesn't have it worse, and you don't see Clem yelling at Kenny.
And as for taking that beating ... that was Kenny's fault. Clem tried to say that she was being watched by the guards and Mike should take the walkie talkie, but Kenny insisted she take it. When she was caught, Kenny took responsibility for messing up the plan. However, who knows if he had to lose his eye. He was beat because he backtalked Carver. Maybe Carver would have beat him anyway, but it's impossible to know.
Kenny can't handle other people making decisions. He's not a team player, and he's not a leader. As Clem becomes more independent with her own ideas, Kenny will yell at her more, maybe even become dangerous to her. Eventually their relationship will be just as bad as it was with Lee.
Kenny can still be an ok guy sometimes, but Kenny earned the criticism he's receiving for this episode. He did provide some leadership saying that they needed to press on, but that's about it.
I'm so glad that I killed the zombie - instead of cutting Sarita's arm off like the majority of the players did.
Luke being a flake isn't really indicative of Kenny being a leader. The dude has been on a suicidal deathwish since Katja died; Sarita just put it on hold temporarly (and even then, not really; remember the truck?). He is NOT fit to lead anybody, except himself to death because that's clearly what he wanted. When Jane gives her speech about people who've just given up, it isn't really about Sarah - it's about him.
Luke is a flake, but he made a mistake - he'll own up to it. My only problem with him is that he refuses to accept the harsh realities of the new world. 'You don't just shoot a dog" "You robbed him?!" "We can't leave her behind!" etc. He's useless as a new world leader; he would be fine in today's reality, though.
Only person on the team worth a damn is Mike.
Pretty much anyone who yells at Clem is hated on.
I agree with everything that you said, except the fourth paragraph: The way you say Clem lost even more people than Kenny and she is relatively OK unlike him doesn´t justify anything. People need time to get over such stressful events such as the death of a loved one, Kenny just lost Sarita while Clem´s last really close person that she lost was Christa, which was kind of a long time ago, and she isn´t even confirmed to be dead. Besides, people are different and have different sensitiveness to take this kind of event, take Sarah as example: Carlos´ death was pretty much the end of her world, of her will to live. If someone says what you said to Kenny himself(which is possible, is one of dialogue options), it won´t help him, actually it will make him feel worse, making him think he is weaker for mourning for those deaths and snapping while a little girl who suffered "more" could get over it.
I feel the exact same way. ; _ ; They could leave the group for all I care.
Yeah, because seeing her parents as zombies before she was hardened wasn't traumatizing for Clem, right?
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I don't hate Kenny's character; I find his descent into grief and madness very interesting and well written. However when I play TWD I'm immersing myself (or roleplaying) my interpretation of Clementine and after his "everything is your fault, Clementine" bitchfit Clementine realized she was done and as she told Bonnie:
"It doesn't matter."
It's one reason why Clem expressed interest in leaving with Jane. Because in my eyes for my playthrough, she has nothing left.
Kenny being Kenny.
What Kenny did was a normal reaction, yeah he was really mean i accept it but haters, were you expecting this?:
Dude no, even if he apologized he was mean but that was a totally understandable reaction, i would have done it too, and people who are hating him because of that would do it to if it happened, because someone special can't be replaced, Sarita saved Kenny in more than one way, Seeing how she is bitten to death, and then her arm on the ground hell you would be mad, many will say no i wouldn't, yeah right, Kenny did it because he has feelings and when a person is in that kind of situations we tend to say things we don't mean.
That is why i really like Kenny now, his character really developed this episode.
Because Kenny doesn't live on planet Earth, Kenny lives on planet Kenny. Only his problems, his grief, his needs, and his ideas matter and after so many episodes of it, it's wearing real damn thin. He doesn't have the right to lash out at Clementine like he has the monopoly on bad things in life, especially not over something he pretty much did a shittier version of last season. Oh, but it's okay now, because this time it was somebody that Kenny cared about.
He wasn't all that concerned about Rebecca's well-being either, he wanted to be close to that baby and pretend it was his. His interests aren't first and foremost with the group, they're with protecting his latest deceased family member replacement and getting to be the one in charge. I don't think he's a bad guy at his core, but he is on a real downhill slope, and his hypocrisy and temperament are just constant problems. It's always something with this guy.
Yeah, he has what it takes to survive, its funny how people blame him for things when he is the only one who does what has to be done while others except for Clem and Jane chicken out, Kenny this, Kenny that, at least he apologized, it doesn't fix everything but he admited he did wrong, Other people did worse, if Kenny really didn't care about others the baby would be dead, many people think he is obssesed with the baby, hell no, i admire him for wanting to raise a child that is not even his. Luke i liked him but now i think he is jelous or he feels threatened by Kenny's leadership, even if you wait like Luke wanted he is complaining about it. Kenny might be a little selfish sometimes or totally selfish if people like that better, but at least he is willing to risk his life and and also willing to do the dirty jobs, i've seen other characters do worse to Clem, like making her climb to a really big plataform, making her talk to a man with a gun, or locking her in a dark cold shed with a frikin dangerous dog bite, you guys gonna hate a character because he blamed her and then apologized, when she lived worse with other characters before? Why not hate Christa too? She blamed her but never apologized right? Seriously this hate makes no sense, at least not for me.
It was maybe eight days prior. Season 2 has been mostly a single time frame with just the 5 day jump in episode 2. Other than that, we have a few days and nights each episode. Christa hasn't been gone that long. Clem would be entirely excused if she were still upset by it. Too bad there's been no mention of the person who took care of her the longest with the least amount of assistance for two episodes now...
I wasn't trying to say that Clem lost more than Kenny. They've both lost a lot, but Clem is handling it better. I also understand Kenny being upset because Sarita just died ... but would Kenny have yelled at Duck like that? Kenny has treated Clem like family before ... but as soon as something bad happens, he treats Clem like an outsider. That's not how you treat family, even if you're mad at them.
Kenny turns on people and doesn't stay loyal, not even a kid who is family now; he deserves the criticism for how he's acting and what he's saying to Clem, even considering that Sarita just died. And really, there's no way Kenny actually thinks Clem could have done anything to save Sarita. Sarita was dead the moment the zombie bit her ... Clem made a tough choice. Even grieving Kenny should recognize that and not take it out on Clem. If anything, Kenny should have given Clem a hug, and said that he knew she tried and that it wasn't her fault, not say she's a screwup.
When he determinately apologized
Even if he doesn't that was a natural reaction every human would feel, as i said before in other post, i was not happy with what Kenny said, still he is human and people who think they wouldn't feel like that i don't believe it.