A post on Tumblr that i just read summed it up perfectly,better then the writers have,or what moral message the death was trying to send by saying some people are just unsavable now matter what you try....WRONG!
you don't win prizes or get a high score for not saving someone,or if she is weaker than your character she puts lifes at risk and she could not cope on her own,her personality shone through rather than having a drone like other characters who have survival skills,you save her to stay human,like you would of done if the Z.A. never happened,if Clementine's parents would of saw Sarah in a life threatening situation like a car accident or something else they wouldn't stand by and watch,Telltale are caught up with Carver and Jane giving the player hints how to survive,how about being human?
People hate Carver insisting to judge him like a "typical bad guy" - bully and idealist, threatening and torturing people to "achieve his goals". But he did understand that world changed. The fact he's become a leader provides that he had a plan how to survive - he was smart, that's for sure. Reggie's murder was a show, he wanted Clem to "learn".
People hate Carver insisting to judge him like a "typical bad guy" - bully and idealist, threatening and torturing people to "achieve his go… moreals". But he did understand that world changed. The fact he's become a leader provides that he had a plan how to survive - he was smart, that's for sure. Reggie's murder was a show, he wanted Clem to "learn".
I don't think Carver completely lost his sense of humanity. He was obsessed with giving people second chances. He killed Walter and Alvin because of reasons. Walter was innocent man and I feel sorry for him, but Carver killed him in exchange. And Alvin killed that George guy.
I don't think Carver completely lost his sense of humanity. He was obsessed with giving people second chances. He killed Walter and Alvin be… morecause of reasons. Walter was innocent man and I feel sorry for him, but Carver killed him in exchange. And Alvin killed that George guy.
I'd rather her live and make sense, but stay quiet than die in a way that made me look at my screen in confusion. Especially because we would have a reason for Sarah to be quiet. We don't have a reason for the group letting her get eaten alive.
People hate Carver insisting to judge him like a "typical bad guy" - bully and idealist, threatening and torturing people to "achieve his go… moreals". But he did understand that world changed. The fact he's become a leader provides that he had a plan how to survive - he was smart, that's for sure. Reggie's murder was a show, he wanted Clem to "learn".
I'd rather her live and make sense, but stay quiet than die in a way that made me look at my screen in confusion. Especially because we would have a reason for Sarah to be quiet. We don't have a reason for the group letting her get eaten alive.
Exactly, it doesn't make sense. They seemed to care about her at least a little bit earlier, and Luke actually went out of his way to try and save her. How come all of a sudden they don't care? It just doesn't make sense.
I think I understand Carver now..I tried to convince sarah,but when I got the choice "Convince sarah/Leave her" I left her..I was a bit happier later after hearing Jane's sister story.Its carlo's fault that raised her as a kid.In a zombie apocalypse like carver said you have to be strong.Weak people are doomed.
First off, Your language is disgusting. Second, Even if Jane is right about "its easier to survive on your own"
Would you WANT to? Do you know how long a person can stay sane without social contact? Particularly someone as young as Clementine?
That's a Horrible slap in the face for Anyone who protected Clementine at this point. Lee, Christa and Omid, Luke and Pete in episode 1, even Kenny.
I wouldn't take the words of Jane who up's and leaves you and pretty much could have abandoned anyone who reminded her of her sister just because they aren't as survival capable because prior to Season 2, Clem was not capable at all.
Sarah is a retard. She wasnt going to make it at all... no matter what (Even if you did save her she would have died anyway)
Carver kille… mored Reggie even though it really wasnt his fault. It was Sarah and Clementines + Reggie wouldnt make me do anything so
Lets be honest Jane is right. Its easier to survive on your own.
Nothing like Carver... Carver kills them Recklessly.
Does Chopping Saritas arm off help anybody? No. She would have died anyway. She killed herself by not being good at walking through hordes
(Clementine as a kid did it better then her)
I shot Rebecca in the face why? Because everybody was fighting and Clem was the only one who saw her as a walker. Somebody would have been bit (most likely)
Nothing like Carver. I actually forgive people if they have a reason.. Carver just kills them cause nothing went his way
Havent seen one reason Clem was like carver at all
I saved Sarah the first time and tried to save Sarah the second,I don't care what Carver says the strong are here to protect the weak,to help them through it.
The Reggie-Sarah situations can't be compared really. Carver straight up murdered Reggie. Choosing to give up on Sarah and worry about your … moreown survival and the survival of others is not the same thing as murdering her.
You could argue that giving up on Sarah is a bad thing to do, but it does not make you like cold-blooded murder like Carver.
There comes a point where you have to put your own life and interests above another's. Sarah didn't really want to live, and she had proven over and over that she wasn't going to change. At some point, the rational thing to do is face the consequences of her own choices.
There are people who need Clementine other than Sarah that have a chance, who want to live. My Clem tried to help Sarah, but in the end it was futile. The best thing for the group was to let Sarah make her own decisions. And that's a very different choice than to force death on someone else.
In that kind of world though, the only thing that really matters is principle. So although Clementine didn't straight up kill Sarah, leaving her to die was something Carver would've done. And that's where similarities are drawn.
When Sarah's being abandoned she starts calling for Clem, and crying "I don't wanna die!" when the zombies get to her, and when they start tearing her apart she calls for her dad.
There comes a point where you have to put your own life and interests above another's. Sarah didn't really want to live, and she had proven… more over and over that she wasn't going to change. At some point, the rational thing to do is face the consequences of her own choices.
There are people who need Clementine other than Sarah that have a chance, who want to live. My Clem tried to help Sarah, but in the end it was futile. The best thing for the group was to let Sarah make her own decisions. And that's a very different choice than to force death on someone else.
I'm glad my Clementine has continued to disprove Carver's comparison up to this point. I'm just worried that it'll become increasingly harder in episode 5 while Clementine has to deal with the insane amount of deaths she has had to endure.
I don't blame victims for their emotional issues. But sometimes, you have to be as strong as possible to get through things y'know? I've been through plenty of shit, I know what's it like, in all honesty.
In my old age, i learned a lot in my life. Life sucks, and there is always someone who has it worse than you. I just try to be as understanding as i can nowadays, i don't want to be the cause of someone hurting themselves. There is already enough pain in this world.
I don't blame victims for their emotional issues. But sometimes, you have to be as strong as possible to get through things y'know? I've been through plenty of shit, I know what's it like, in all honesty.
You think she cares about these people? She might like them, she known them for maybe a week at most. Imagine yourself a survivor, you lost your entire family, everyone you care about. Now your expected to feel bad when you lose someone you just met? She doesn't feel anything anymore.
I'm glad my Clementine has continued to disprove Carver's comparison up to this point. I'm just worried that it'll become increasingly harder in episode 5 while Clementine has to deal with the insane amount of deaths she has had to endure.
In my old age, i learned a lot in my life. Life sucks, and there is always someone who has it worse than you. I just try to be as understan… moreding as i can nowadays, i don't want to be the cause of someone hurting themselves. There is already enough pain in this world.
Look at whats going on at Ukraine, Gaza.
You think she cares about these people? She might like them, she known them for maybe a week at most. Imagine yourself a survivor, you lost… more your entire family, everyone you care about. Now your expected to feel bad when you lose someone you just met? She doesn't feel anything anymore.
So although Clementine didn't straight up kill Sarah, leaving her to die was something Carver would've done.
But the reasoning is not the same. Not even a little. Carver killed people because they weak, and because they were liabilities. Not going out of your way to save Sarah's life is not the same thing, unless you left her to die with the full intention of getting her out of the way. It isn't fair to just assume that though.
For example, my brother didn't save Sarah because he had simply finally given up on her. At the beginning of the scene, he had begged and pleaded with her to come to her senses, but she didn't do it, so he simply gave up. He didn't want her to die, but he didn't want to put other people in danger while trying to save someone who may or may not be save-able.
In that kind of world though, the only thing that really matters is principle. So although Clementine didn't straight up kill Sarah, leaving her to die was something Carver would've done. And that's where similarities are drawn.
I think I understand Carver now..I tried to convince sarah,but when I got the choice "Convince sarah/Leave her" I left her..I was a bit happ… moreier later after hearing Jane's sister story.Its carlo's fault that raised her as a kid.In a zombie apocalypse like carver said you have to be strong.Weak people are doomed.
Nope. If another character had done the same to Lee or Clem you know fans would call for that character's head and say they as good as murdered Lee or Clem
The Reggie-Sarah situations can't be compared really. Carver straight up murdered Reggie. Choosing to give up on Sarah and worry about your … moreown survival and the survival of others is not the same thing as murdering her.
You could argue that giving up on Sarah is a bad thing to do, but it does not make you like cold-blooded murder like Carver.
I did to the 2ed time my reason was that it was going to help jane more then sarah because she left her sister after jane got back up and said to clem that she was sorry i told her that it's not her falt. I think that'll help jane alot more because she said she left her sister it tore her up for a long time i think it still did bothered her.
I hated Carver! I saved Sarah in that room as well and told Jane to help Sarah but Jane could not save her alone, There should of been a third option to help Jane save Sarah.
If you pay attention to the lyrics at the credits of EP4, it kind of sounds like it was Sarah singing it to Clem. The ending songs usually h… moreave some meaning relevant to the plot.
"I felt like you cared" - How she felt Clem was the only one who cared about her in the end. "They were going to leave me, weren't they? Why didn't you leave me?..."
"I was so green
nothing could touch me" - How she was so sheltered and thought that nothing could harm her as long as her dad was around
"I'm not saying that
I wanna go"- How even though she's unable to move when she's panicking, it doesn't mean she wants to "go", to die, like Jane said Jaime wanted to.
"the falling leaf that never tries
to hold on to what
keeps it alive" - How even though Luke and Nick were trying their best to save her, it didn't seem like she was trying to let them save her
"the sudden ease when you arrive
it's you
that makes me try" - How her friend C… [view original content]
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A post on Tumblr that i just read summed it up perfectly,better then the writers have,or what moral message the death was trying to send by saying some people are just unsavable now matter what you try....WRONG!
you don't win prizes or get a high score for not saving someone,or if she is weaker than your character she puts lifes at risk and she could not cope on her own,her personality shone through rather than having a drone like other characters who have survival skills,you save her to stay human,like you would of done if the Z.A. never happened,if Clementine's parents would of saw Sarah in a life threatening situation like a car accident or something else they wouldn't stand by and watch,Telltale are caught up with Carver and Jane giving the player hints how to survive,how about being human?
People hate Carver insisting to judge him like a "typical bad guy" - bully and idealist, threatening and torturing people to "achieve his goals". But he did understand that world changed. The fact he's become a leader provides that he had a plan how to survive - he was smart, that's for sure. Reggie's murder was a show, he wanted Clem to "learn".
i disagree a little,if you lose your humanity you might aswell become one of them
I don't think Carver completely lost his sense of humanity. He was obsessed with giving people second chances. He killed Walter and Alvin because of reasons. Walter was innocent man and I feel sorry for him, but Carver killed him in exchange. And Alvin killed that George guy.
smashing Kennys face to bits with a walkie talkie and killing a man for not pruning a tree,seems like he lost a big part of it.
I'd rather her live and make sense, but stay quiet than die in a way that made me look at my screen in confusion. Especially because we would have a reason for Sarah to be quiet. We don't have a reason for the group letting her get eaten alive.
Yup, a big part, but maybe not completely everything. I'm not defending him, my friend.
Clem to learn to murder people who didnt deserve to die?
ok
The group didn't seem to care other then Clem and Jane. Even Jane had to be convinced though.
Exactly, it doesn't make sense. They seemed to care about her at least a little bit earlier, and Luke actually went out of his way to try and save her. How come all of a sudden they don't care? It just doesn't make sense.
Because an unfortunately large amount of people don't have any compassion for a girl who has clearly been sheltered her entire life.
I think I understand Carver now..I tried to convince sarah,but when I got the choice "Convince sarah/Leave her" I left her..I was a bit happier later after hearing Jane's sister story.Its carlo's fault that raised her as a kid.In a zombie apocalypse like carver said you have to be strong.Weak people are doomed.
First off, Your language is disgusting. Second, Even if Jane is right about "its easier to survive on your own"
I saved Sarah the first time and tried to save Sarah the second,I don't care what Carver says the strong are here to protect the weak,to help them through it.
Clementine didn't kill Sarah, the zombies got to her before she could help. So....
There comes a point where you have to put your own life and interests above another's. Sarah didn't really want to live, and she had proven over and over that she wasn't going to change. At some point, the rational thing to do is face the consequences of her own choices.
There are people who need Clementine other than Sarah that have a chance, who want to live. My Clem tried to help Sarah, but in the end it was futile. The best thing for the group was to let Sarah make her own decisions. And that's a very different choice than to force death on someone else.
When Sarah's being abandoned she starts calling for Clem, and crying "I don't wanna die!" when the zombies get to her, and when they start tearing her apart she calls for her dad.
I don't think she wanted to die
I'm glad my Clementine has continued to disprove Carver's comparison up to this point. I'm just worried that it'll become increasingly harder in episode 5 while Clementine has to deal with the insane amount of deaths she has had to endure.
I don't blame victims for their emotional issues. But sometimes, you have to be as strong as possible to get through things y'know? I've been through plenty of shit, I know what's it like, in all honesty.
In my old age, i learned a lot in my life. Life sucks, and there is always someone who has it worse than you. I just try to be as understanding as i can nowadays, i don't want to be the cause of someone hurting themselves. There is already enough pain in this world.
Look at whats going on at Ukraine, Gaza.
You think she cares about these people? She might like them, she known them for maybe a week at most. Imagine yourself a survivor, you lost your entire family, everyone you care about. Now your expected to feel bad when you lose someone you just met? She doesn't feel anything anymore.
Yeah, I understand. Someone always has it worse, and I understand that. Sorry if I sounded like a dick
Well, she doesn't just feel bad for these people, but also those of the past. It will all build up until she finally bursts.
But the reasoning is not the same. Not even a little. Carver killed people because they weak, and because they were liabilities. Not going out of your way to save Sarah's life is not the same thing, unless you left her to die with the full intention of getting her out of the way. It isn't fair to just assume that though.
For example, my brother didn't save Sarah because he had simply finally given up on her. At the beginning of the scene, he had begged and pleaded with her to come to her senses, but she didn't do it, so he simply gave up. He didn't want her to die, but he didn't want to put other people in danger while trying to save someone who may or may not be save-able.
FuckCarver
It isn't Carlos' fault that you abandoned Sarah dude
FUCKWALLSTREET
Nope. If another character had done the same to Lee or Clem you know fans would call for that character's head and say they as good as murdered Lee or Clem
FUCKOPTIONALTITLES
FUCKALTTEXT
I did to the 2ed time my reason was that it was going to help jane more then sarah because she left her sister after jane got back up and said to clem that she was sorry i told her that it's not her falt. I think that'll help jane alot more because she said she left her sister it tore her up for a long time i think it still did bothered her.
Triple post.
Funny coincidence, I looked around and it seems this song's real life singer in also named Sarah.