I think he only injured Kenny THAT badly because Kenny provoked him calling him "fucker", so he snapped.
Luke didn't seem all that beat up even though Carver always hated his guts.
I guess he'd beat Clem at least similar to how he beat Luke. Just a few bruises n' all
But then again, there's Alvin... Carver's quite incosistent with his beatings
Of course he does. He's in the midst of people who hate his guts and knows that he's done for if he lets her get the better of him.
I don… more't doubt that he would have beaten her senseless...but I don't think that he would have killed her or injured her as seriously as Kenny. At least not enough to leave permanent damage.
(God, I can't believe I'm defending CARVER. Ugh, son of a bitch.)
It probably depends on how much Carver hates you. Luke was a threat, but I don't think Carver had a personal grudge against him. By which I mean he saw him more as a professional threat. Alvin on the other hand he hated on a very personal level, since he saw him as the asshole who tried to take his woman and his baby away from him.
Carver respects Clementine on some level, though, and killing her was not part of his plan. He wanted to pull her over to his side to wake her potential, after all.
"Don't test me girl. I'll pass every time."
I think he only injured Kenny THAT badly because Kenny provoked him calling him "fucker", so … morehe snapped.
Luke didn't seem all that beat up even though Carver always hated his guts.
I guess he'd beat Clem at least similar to how he beat Luke. Just a few bruises n' all
But then again, there's Alvin... Carver's quite incosistent with his beatings
Lol maybe he'd end up beating Kenny anyway as a way of getting to her. Or someone else from the group at random.
Indeed he saw her as valuable, so beating someone she cares about would be the next best option to teach her a lesson.
I personally think she'd feel even worse if that happened rather than getting beat up herself. Clem has some issues with survivor's guilt and blaming herself for everything already.
It probably depends on how much Carver hates you. Luke was a threat, but I don't think Carver had a personal grudge against him. By which I … moremean he saw him more as a professional threat. Alvin on the other hand he hated on a very personal level, since he saw him as the asshole who tried to take his woman and his baby away from him.
Carver respects Clementine on some level, though, and killing her was not part of his plan. He wanted to pull her over to his side to wake her potential, after all.
I think the fact it was just a joke is a possibility to be explored. Honestly, there is nothing on the achievements that would at all hint toward a choice of that magnitude, nor would it provide any plot value to veritably execute both characters soon, especially since we need newer developments in the plot to make this choice a more integrally difficult one at the time, as many here seem to have already made their choice.
I mean, sure, this choice may happen, but considering it to be a joke may not be such a monumentally imbecilic conclusion to reach.
And who says that it's going to be a poor written choice like :
Kenny or Luke DOEEEE
People who actually think that there is gonna be a choice like "Save Luke or Kenny" are just unoriginal, because we all know that Telltale will end the series with a Cliffhanger.
Let's see...
Kenny.. a good character , or Luke... a character who had no good development at all and it's just a shitty character...
"uuuuuuh piza or ais crim uuuh it's gun be luk or kenny!!1! official thread!!!"
Hey, you know what's funny? All the downvotes from the Luke fans. Not gonna, you know, pin it on all the Luke fans as some are cool, but I'm going to assume it is the Luke fans.
I was making a valid point. Luke IS a randomer. He's not an established character. He's all talk and no do. He's supposed to be the group leader, all the cabin group look up to him and respect him and yet he hasn't filled that status other characters have given him. Instead, he's disappearing. And then he's slipping up. And then he's disappearing again. He hasn't killed a man, not onscreen anyway, he's killed walkers, but he hasn't actually killed a man and proven himself worthy. He even discourages killing Carver. CARVER. Who killed Walter, Alvin, Reggie and probably countless others, that sonovabitch.
He hasn't had the necessary character development.
But you know what? You butthurt downvoters don't have the courage to actually make a valid point and argue WHY Luke should be saved, why I should actually consider saving him. I'm stating MY opinion. All I ask is for you to respect it.
I don't downvote anyone wanting to save Luke, what's your fucking excuse?
Kenny.
I don't even have to think about it. Luke still seems like a complete randomer, he hasn't had much character development since he'… mores always disappearing! If he did have character development, then maybe I would actually consider saving him. But I wouldn't actually do it, just consider.
Kenny all the way.
Unless something big changes with both of them like kenny going mad and luke turning into zombie slayer and growing some gonads, then its ke… morenny everytime, no question, would be the easiest choice in both series so far...
BUT knowing telltale before such a decision things will change...
It couldn't have been days. It was a single day. Carver caught us at the lodge and we took a truck ride back. Wake up the next morning and Luke is there. Depending on how far the group managed to make it on foot, it can be more or less impressive that Luke got back in such a short amount of time, but it was not several days without sleep.
And... It just sounds to me like he doesn't know the first thing about surviving in the wild with walkers if he couldn't find a safe area to sleep. That could be the case, though. He has spent an undetermined amount of time at Carver's camp. But seriously, he couldn't think to find a good tree to climb and get some shut-eye? Or clear a small building or something? Yeesh...
But that makes keeping up with them even more impressive, doesn't it? He managed it in a day?
It's not about not being able to find a safe place to sleep, it's about not wanting to sleep because he needed to save his friends.
He's not tired because he'/s unable to find somewhere to sleep at all: it's because he exhausted himself out of desperation to rescue the people he cared about.
It couldn't have been days. It was a single day. Carver caught us at the lodge and we took a truck ride back. Wake up the next morning an… mored Luke is there. Depending on how far the group managed to make it on foot, it can be more or less impressive that Luke got back in such a short amount of time, but it was not several days without sleep.
And... It just sounds to me like he doesn't know the first thing about surviving in the wild with walkers if he couldn't find a safe area to sleep. That could be the case, though. He has spent an undetermined amount of time at Carver's camp. But seriously, he couldn't think to find a good tree to climb and get some shut-eye? Or clear a small building or something? Yeesh...
Just thought of something. It seems overwhelming that if this is the choice we get; Luke or Kenny, that the majority will save Kenny. That makes this another Carley/Doug situation where one is clearly the fan favorite. If that's the case, why bother giving us the choice? However... What if Telltale actually wanted this to be a tough choice? Say... Kenny or Sarah? What would people choose then?
"uuuuh, look, someone acting like <<I'm the most intelligent here!>>!"
Kenny.. a good character , or Luke... a character who had no good development at all and it's just a shitty character...
That's your opinion. I disagree with you, but I respect that.
But there's no need to call "unoriginal" all the other people who are challenged by this choice, wether it will show up in the game or not. And guess why? Because this choice makes sense, contrarily to what you're saying. Did you take a moment or two to think about who to sit with, back to the lodge? Well, I guess you sat with Kenny regardless, because Luke is an "under-developed" character. Some people, unfortunately, don't have their minds as clear as yours, and found it really difficult to decide.
I don't know if the season will end with a cliffhanger (which is probable); I don't have the power to foresee anything. I (and many others like me) have just attributed the "Pizza and Ice-Cream Decision" to Kenny and Luke. Job Stauffer's words could mean a thousand of other different things, but I chose that.
I'm not arguing with you in particular, but with all the people who come to this thread and write "How can you guys know it's going to be Luke or Kenny?"
And who says that it's going to be a poor written choice like :
Kenny or Luke DOEEEE
People who actually think that there is gonna be … morea choice like "Save Luke or Kenny" are just unoriginal, because we all know that Telltale will end the series with a Cliffhanger.
Let's see...
Kenny.. a good character , or Luke... a character who had no good development at all and it's just a shitty character...
"uuuuuuh piza or ais crim uuuh it's gun be luk or kenny!!1! official thread!!!"
Luke knows how Carver does things. He knows Carver wouldn't outright kill any of them. He would use violence to get what he wants, but he wouldn't kill. Keep in mind that killing Reggie was a shock to the rest of the people at the camp (Tavia's conversation with Hank, Bonnie).
Luke had no way of hearing about that, so he had no reason to assume they were in any sort of immediate danger. As such, he was stupid for the self-inflicted sleep deprivation and overexertion. And just look how it turned out. He got caught due to his poor decision making facilities brought about by not taking care of himself. Had he paced himself, got at least a few good hours of sleep, he would have been better prepared to help out. As is, he ruined our (admittedly stupid and risky plan we had to go along with because Kenny) escape plan.
That's the sad part to me. He could have done more good by actually living up to Carver's expectations and just disappearing. But... hindsight is 20/20 and people don't make the best decisions when in a panic. I understand why he acted the way he did, but I still find it frustrating how it turned out.
Oh, that's true.
But that makes keeping up with them even more impressive, doesn't it? He managed it in a day?
It's not about not bein… moreg able to find a safe place to sleep, it's about not wanting to sleep because he needed to save his friends.
He's not tired because he'/s unable to find somewhere to sleep at all: it's because he exhausted himself out of desperation to rescue the people he cared about.
You're trying to apply cold logical reason to the mindset of a man who's been torn away from everyone he knows. He was desperate.
Saying that he's too stupid to be able to find shelter is just so unfounded. You could say he was so full of emotion that he couldn't focus on that, and maybe he shouldn't have become affected in that way, but we can't blame him for that any more than we can blame Kenny for punching Lee when his son was dying.
You're saying he could have done more good by abandoning his friends altogether? Now, if he'd done that, THEN I would find a reason to dislike him.
Luke knows how Carver does things. He knows Carver wouldn't outright kill any of them. He would use violence to get what he wants, but he … morewouldn't kill. Keep in mind that killing Reggie was a shock to the rest of the people at the camp (Tavia's conversation with Hank, Bonnie).
Luke had no way of hearing about that, so he had no reason to assume they were in any sort of immediate danger. As such, he was stupid for the self-inflicted sleep deprivation and overexertion. And just look how it turned out. He got caught due to his poor decision making facilities brought about by not taking care of himself. Had he paced himself, got at least a few good hours of sleep, he would have been better prepared to help out. As is, he ruined our (admittedly stupid and risky plan we had to go along with because Kenny) escape plan.
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If you're going by how dedicated his fanbase is, its about even. If you're going by numbers on the forum, yes slight bias towards Kenny, but the forum isn't representative of everyone who plays the game.
Plus polls conducted on here show roughly even figures.
So yeah, why would you assume that it would be overwhelmingly the case that most people would save Kenny?
Furthermore, we know that Kenny is becoming violent and unstable. He could do something shocking because of his trauma just like Lilly did, and then I would say the majority would choose Luke as he has shown himself to be less difficult in group situations.
The Carley choice just happened because the dudes who were playing the game felt a moral compulsion to save a woman instead of a man, sexist as that is.
Kenny is, yes, a fan favourite. So is Luke. And Luke is FAR less controversial as a person so far.
If you had to ask yourself who had caused more hurt for people in the walking dead, who would you choose? Kenny in season 1 or Luke in season 2?
I can genuinely think of nothing Luke has done that can compare to Kenny bullying Lilly, suggesting killing Lee in the attic, only helping to save a child if Lee has been 100% nice to him and telling Lee to kill Ben.
So far Luke has....I dunno, he disappeared? But then he came back in an attempt to rescue everyone so...yeah.
Just thought of something. It seems overwhelming that if this is the choice we get; Luke or Kenny, that the majority will save Kenny. That… more makes this another Carley/Doug situation where one is clearly the fan favorite. If that's the case, why bother giving us the choice? However... What if Telltale actually wanted this to be a tough choice? Say... Kenny or Sarah? What would people choose then?
Oh, who am I kidding? Kenny would still win.
What? No, I didn't say that. I said "hindsight is 20/20". That means looking back, his choice of action was a mistake. I even acknowledge that being in a panic often leads to poor decision making.
Also, I didn't say he was too stupid to find shelter, but that he was stupid for not attempting to find it. Again, this goes back to the 20/20 hindsight thing. At the time, it could seem like the right choice, but looking back, it was a mistake.
EDIT: Sorry. Realized I only replied to like... half of your response.
I didn't mean to imply that he should have abandoned people. What I meant was his actions ended up causing more problems than they solved (which was zero). He had potential to help the group and it would definitely be a point in his favor if he did, but he went about it the wrong way. If he had taken better care of himself and put his hunger aside (it was only a day since he ate at the lodge while a human body can sustain itself for about 3 weeks without food) and gotten a few hours of sleep, he very well may have been just what the doctor ordered.
Two years into an apocalypse, everyone should know when to stop, take a breath, and think about how they want to proceed. If your comrades getting into a bad situation is enough to set you into desperation mode, then you're a liability. You don't bring anything useful when things go south, but instead, you cannot be relied upon for support (as is the case, judging from what we see of Luke). The characters keep building Luke up as some awesome person who will come through in a rough spot, but he has failed every single time he has a chance to step up (goes missing at the lodge, utterly fails on the bridge and has to be saved from three walkers by an 11 year old, gets caught at the camp, doesn't shoot Carver when he has the chance). And people call Nick the new Ben...
You're trying to apply cold logical reason to the mindset of a man who's been torn away from everyone he knows. He was desperate.
Saying … morethat he's too stupid to be able to find shelter is just so unfounded. You could say he was so full of emotion that he couldn't focus on that, and maybe he shouldn't have become affected in that way, but we can't blame him for that any more than we can blame Kenny for punching Lee when his son was dying.
You're saying he could have done more good by abandoning his friends altogether? Now, if he'd done that, THEN I would find a reason to dislike him.
"uuuuh, look, someone acting like <<I'm the most intelligent here!>>!"
Kenny.. a good character , or Luke... a character w… moreho had no good development at all and it's just a shitty character...
That's your opinion. I disagree with you, but I respect that.
But there's no need to call "unoriginal" all the other people who are challenged by this choice, wether it will show up in the game or not. And guess why? Because this choice makes sense, contrarily to what you're saying. Did you take a moment or two to think about who to sit with, back to the lodge? Well, I guess you sat with Kenny regardless, because Luke is an "under-developed" character. Some people, unfortunately, don't have their minds as clear as yours, and found it really difficult to decide.
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I don't. It was just me being snarky. Or trying to be at least... My snark tank might be running a bit low. Oh well. Let's try this without, shall we?
I was just trying to point out that Luke vs. Kenny isn't really going to be a tough choice for most people. It's basically a choice between an old friend (for some people, myself not included) and an everyman. At least with Kenny vs. Sarah, it would force people to choose between self interest in saving an old friend, or the urge to protect children.
As for the Carley/Doug situation, you're simplifying it quite a bit. Most people chose Carley, yes. I'm not saying a bit of sexist ideals about "women and children first" didn't factor in, but there was the whole thing with only getting to know Doug through one event. He is a nice guy and all, but he doesn't really bring anything to the group (sound like anyone we know?). Carley managed to save two people in her short introduction (Duck and either Lee or Clem, depending on your reflexes) and she ventured with you to go help Glenn. Carley had a skillset that was far more useful for an apocalypse. Gunslinging versus computer science? Which person would better serve the group's chances of survival against crossbow-wielding bandits and walkers?
Kenny did not bully Lilly. I dislike Kenny and all, but let's not be dishonest here. He antagonized her far more than necessary, but she gave as good as she got until the meat locker scene. I would not call questioning her authority with valid points, even if the tone isn't the friendliest, as bullying. He also did not suggest killing Lee for no good reason. There was a clear context for it; Lee was bit, his health was fading, and he just passed out. Unlike Larry, they knew Lee was going to die in a short amount of time, so he wanted to have a group discussion about what to do. Grim and macabre, yes, but it was an issue that needed to be addressed. The other two points you bring up against Kenny? I agree. He has always been a selfish prick. It's why I don't like him all that much. He's fascinating as a character, but not one I would want to deal with in reality.
I don't know if you saw my post in this topic answering the actual question, but I would not choose Kenny. Ideally, I would leave both Luke and Kenny as I actively dislike Kenny, and care not one whit for Luke. If I had to choose one to proceed, it would be Luke. Like Ben, he tries to help, but usually ends up causing more problems. Call me a sucker if you like. Intent matters to me, even in an apocalyptic setting.
How do you know the majority would choose Kenny?
If you're going by how dedicated his fanbase is, its about even. If you're going by numb… moreers on the forum, yes slight bias towards Kenny, but the forum isn't representative of everyone who plays the game.
Plus polls conducted on here show roughly even figures.
So yeah, why would you assume that it would be overwhelmingly the case that most people would save Kenny?
Furthermore, we know that Kenny is becoming violent and unstable. He could do something shocking because of his trauma just like Lilly did, and then I would say the majority would choose Luke as he has shown himself to be less difficult in group situations.
The Carley choice just happened because the dudes who were playing the game felt a moral compulsion to save a woman instead of a man, sexist as that is.
Kenny is, yes, a fan favourite. So is Luke. And Luke is FAR less controversial as a person so far.
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As much as I hate to say it.........LUKE!
Love Kenny, but Luke is much better for Clem in the long run. Kenny is not the same nor ever will be. Also that cut Kenny has on his eye will soon be infected.
Damn, people are just OBSESSED about that cut, aren't they? Were the fans this neurotic when Larry punched Lee in episode 1? Did they think he might turn out to be brain damaged in episode 2?
As much as I hate to say it.........LUKE!
Love Kenny, but Luke is much better for Clem in the long run. Kenny is not the same nor ever will be. Also that cut Kenny has on his eye will soon be infected.
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"Don't test me girl. I'll pass every time."
I think he only injured Kenny THAT badly because Kenny provoked him calling him "fucker", so he snapped.
Luke didn't seem all that beat up even though Carver always hated his guts.
I guess he'd beat Clem at least similar to how he beat Luke. Just a few bruises n' all
But then again, there's Alvin... Carver's quite incosistent with his beatings
It probably depends on how much Carver hates you. Luke was a threat, but I don't think Carver had a personal grudge against him. By which I mean he saw him more as a professional threat. Alvin on the other hand he hated on a very personal level, since he saw him as the asshole who tried to take his woman and his baby away from him.
Carver respects Clementine on some level, though, and killing her was not part of his plan. He wanted to pull her over to his side to wake her potential, after all.
Lol maybe he'd end up beating Kenny anyway as a way of getting to her. Or someone else from the group at random.
Indeed he saw her as valuable, so beating someone she cares about would be the next best option to teach her a lesson.
I personally think she'd feel even worse if that happened rather than getting beat up herself. Clem has some issues with survivor's guilt and blaming herself for everything already.
Kenny is the pizza, Luke is the ice cream.
who says it has to be Luke and Kenny?
maybe Luke or Kenny dies I'm episode 4 and the pizza or ice cream is Christa or Kenny/Luke or Christa?
If that were the case I'd go with Christa she was able to keep Clementine alive for 16 months.
I think the fact it was just a joke is a possibility to be explored. Honestly, there is nothing on the achievements that would at all hint toward a choice of that magnitude, nor would it provide any plot value to veritably execute both characters soon, especially since we need newer developments in the plot to make this choice a more integrally difficult one at the time, as many here seem to have already made their choice.
I mean, sure, this choice may happen, but considering it to be a joke may not be such a monumentally imbecilic conclusion to reach.
And who says that it's going to be a poor written choice like :
Kenny or Luke DOEEEE
People who actually think that there is gonna be a choice like "Save Luke or Kenny" are just unoriginal, because we all know that Telltale will end the series with a Cliffhanger.
Let's see...
Kenny.. a good character , or Luke... a character who had no good development at all and it's just a shitty character...
"uuuuuuh piza or ais crim uuuh it's gun be luk or kenny!!1! official thread!!!"
Hey, you know what's funny? All the downvotes from the Luke fans. Not gonna, you know, pin it on all the Luke fans as some are cool, but I'm going to assume it is the Luke fans.
I was making a valid point. Luke IS a randomer. He's not an established character. He's all talk and no do. He's supposed to be the group leader, all the cabin group look up to him and respect him and yet he hasn't filled that status other characters have given him. Instead, he's disappearing. And then he's slipping up. And then he's disappearing again. He hasn't killed a man, not onscreen anyway, he's killed walkers, but he hasn't actually killed a man and proven himself worthy. He even discourages killing Carver. CARVER. Who killed Walter, Alvin, Reggie and probably countless others, that sonovabitch.
He hasn't had the necessary character development.
But you know what? You butthurt downvoters don't have the courage to actually make a valid point and argue WHY Luke should be saved, why I should actually consider saving him. I'm stating MY opinion. All I ask is for you to respect it.
I don't downvote anyone wanting to save Luke, what's your fucking excuse?
You're all just butthurt.
God, I hate this forum sometimes.
Wasn't Luke sneaking into carver's camp and walking miles for days without sleeping pretty gutsy?
It couldn't have been days. It was a single day. Carver caught us at the lodge and we took a truck ride back. Wake up the next morning and Luke is there. Depending on how far the group managed to make it on foot, it can be more or less impressive that Luke got back in such a short amount of time, but it was not several days without sleep.
And... It just sounds to me like he doesn't know the first thing about surviving in the wild with walkers if he couldn't find a safe area to sleep. That could be the case, though. He has spent an undetermined amount of time at Carver's camp. But seriously, he couldn't think to find a good tree to climb and get some shut-eye? Or clear a small building or something? Yeesh...
Oh, that's true.
But that makes keeping up with them even more impressive, doesn't it? He managed it in a day?
It's not about not being able to find a safe place to sleep, it's about not wanting to sleep because he needed to save his friends.
He's not tired because he'/s unable to find somewhere to sleep at all: it's because he exhausted himself out of desperation to rescue the people he cared about.
I think it could have just been an innocent joke, but people on the forums here take it incredibly seriously.
Just thought of something. It seems overwhelming that if this is the choice we get; Luke or Kenny, that the majority will save Kenny. That makes this another Carley/Doug situation where one is clearly the fan favorite. If that's the case, why bother giving us the choice? However... What if Telltale actually wanted this to be a tough choice? Say... Kenny or Sarah? What would people choose then?
Oh, who am I kidding? Kenny would still win.
"uuuuh, look, someone acting like <<I'm the most intelligent here!>>!"
That's your opinion. I disagree with you, but I respect that.
But there's no need to call "unoriginal" all the other people who are challenged by this choice, wether it will show up in the game or not. And guess why? Because this choice makes sense, contrarily to what you're saying. Did you take a moment or two to think about who to sit with, back to the lodge? Well, I guess you sat with Kenny regardless, because Luke is an "under-developed" character. Some people, unfortunately, don't have their minds as clear as yours, and found it really difficult to decide.
I don't know if the season will end with a cliffhanger (which is probable); I don't have the power to foresee anything. I (and many others like me) have just attributed the "Pizza and Ice-Cream Decision" to Kenny and Luke. Job Stauffer's words could mean a thousand of other different things, but I chose that.
I'm not arguing with you in particular, but with all the people who come to this thread and write "How can you guys know it's going to be Luke or Kenny?"
I just wanted to point it out.
Gonna have to be Luke.
Luke knows how Carver does things. He knows Carver wouldn't outright kill any of them. He would use violence to get what he wants, but he wouldn't kill. Keep in mind that killing Reggie was a shock to the rest of the people at the camp (Tavia's conversation with Hank, Bonnie).
Luke had no way of hearing about that, so he had no reason to assume they were in any sort of immediate danger. As such, he was stupid for the self-inflicted sleep deprivation and overexertion. And just look how it turned out. He got caught due to his poor decision making facilities brought about by not taking care of himself. Had he paced himself, got at least a few good hours of sleep, he would have been better prepared to help out. As is, he ruined our (admittedly stupid and risky plan we had to go along with because Kenny) escape plan.
That's the sad part to me. He could have done more good by actually living up to Carver's expectations and just disappearing. But... hindsight is 20/20 and people don't make the best decisions when in a panic. I understand why he acted the way he did, but I still find it frustrating how it turned out.
You're trying to apply cold logical reason to the mindset of a man who's been torn away from everyone he knows. He was desperate.
Saying that he's too stupid to be able to find shelter is just so unfounded. You could say he was so full of emotion that he couldn't focus on that, and maybe he shouldn't have become affected in that way, but we can't blame him for that any more than we can blame Kenny for punching Lee when his son was dying.
You're saying he could have done more good by abandoning his friends altogether? Now, if he'd done that, THEN I would find a reason to dislike him.
How do you know the majority would choose Kenny?
If you're going by how dedicated his fanbase is, its about even. If you're going by numbers on the forum, yes slight bias towards Kenny, but the forum isn't representative of everyone who plays the game.
Plus polls conducted on here show roughly even figures.
So yeah, why would you assume that it would be overwhelmingly the case that most people would save Kenny?
Furthermore, we know that Kenny is becoming violent and unstable. He could do something shocking because of his trauma just like Lilly did, and then I would say the majority would choose Luke as he has shown himself to be less difficult in group situations.
The Carley choice just happened because the dudes who were playing the game felt a moral compulsion to save a woman instead of a man, sexist as that is.
Kenny is, yes, a fan favourite. So is Luke. And Luke is FAR less controversial as a person so far.
If you had to ask yourself who had caused more hurt for people in the walking dead, who would you choose? Kenny in season 1 or Luke in season 2?
I can genuinely think of nothing Luke has done that can compare to Kenny bullying Lilly, suggesting killing Lee in the attic, only helping to save a child if Lee has been 100% nice to him and telling Lee to kill Ben.
So far Luke has....I dunno, he disappeared? But then he came back in an attempt to rescue everyone so...yeah.
What? No, I didn't say that. I said "hindsight is 20/20". That means looking back, his choice of action was a mistake. I even acknowledge that being in a panic often leads to poor decision making.
Also, I didn't say he was too stupid to find shelter, but that he was stupid for not attempting to find it. Again, this goes back to the 20/20 hindsight thing. At the time, it could seem like the right choice, but looking back, it was a mistake.
EDIT: Sorry. Realized I only replied to like... half of your response.
I didn't mean to imply that he should have abandoned people. What I meant was his actions ended up causing more problems than they solved (which was zero). He had potential to help the group and it would definitely be a point in his favor if he did, but he went about it the wrong way. If he had taken better care of himself and put his hunger aside (it was only a day since he ate at the lodge while a human body can sustain itself for about 3 weeks without food) and gotten a few hours of sleep, he very well may have been just what the doctor ordered.
Two years into an apocalypse, everyone should know when to stop, take a breath, and think about how they want to proceed. If your comrades getting into a bad situation is enough to set you into desperation mode, then you're a liability. You don't bring anything useful when things go south, but instead, you cannot be relied upon for support (as is the case, judging from what we see of Luke). The characters keep building Luke up as some awesome person who will come through in a rough spot, but he has failed every single time he has a chance to step up (goes missing at the lodge, utterly fails on the bridge and has to be saved from three walkers by an 11 year old, gets caught at the camp, doesn't shoot Carver when he has the chance). And people call Nick the new Ben...
You're saying that Luke got Character Development? LEL it's just a guy..
And, still, Luke or Kenny choice would be soooo cheesy, i call people "unoriginal" because that's what I think about "Pizza or Ice Cream" fanboys.
Enjoy defending TWD Season 2 aka Money Grabber's cheesy characters.
I don't. It was just me being snarky. Or trying to be at least... My snark tank might be running a bit low. Oh well. Let's try this without, shall we?
I was just trying to point out that Luke vs. Kenny isn't really going to be a tough choice for most people. It's basically a choice between an old friend (for some people, myself not included) and an everyman. At least with Kenny vs. Sarah, it would force people to choose between self interest in saving an old friend, or the urge to protect children.
As for the Carley/Doug situation, you're simplifying it quite a bit. Most people chose Carley, yes. I'm not saying a bit of sexist ideals about "women and children first" didn't factor in, but there was the whole thing with only getting to know Doug through one event. He is a nice guy and all, but he doesn't really bring anything to the group (sound like anyone we know?). Carley managed to save two people in her short introduction (Duck and either Lee or Clem, depending on your reflexes) and she ventured with you to go help Glenn. Carley had a skillset that was far more useful for an apocalypse. Gunslinging versus computer science? Which person would better serve the group's chances of survival against crossbow-wielding bandits and walkers?
Kenny did not bully Lilly. I dislike Kenny and all, but let's not be dishonest here. He antagonized her far more than necessary, but she gave as good as she got until the meat locker scene. I would not call questioning her authority with valid points, even if the tone isn't the friendliest, as bullying. He also did not suggest killing Lee for no good reason. There was a clear context for it; Lee was bit, his health was fading, and he just passed out. Unlike Larry, they knew Lee was going to die in a short amount of time, so he wanted to have a group discussion about what to do. Grim and macabre, yes, but it was an issue that needed to be addressed. The other two points you bring up against Kenny? I agree. He has always been a selfish prick. It's why I don't like him all that much. He's fascinating as a character, but not one I would want to deal with in reality.
I don't know if you saw my post in this topic answering the actual question, but I would not choose Kenny. Ideally, I would leave both Luke and Kenny as I actively dislike Kenny, and care not one whit for Luke. If I had to choose one to proceed, it would be Luke. Like Ben, he tries to help, but usually ends up causing more problems. Call me a sucker if you like. Intent matters to me, even in an apocalyptic setting.
Why does it look like Luke is missing a hand in that picture...?
As much as I hate to say it.........LUKE!
Love Kenny, but Luke is much better for Clem in the long run. Kenny is not the same nor ever will be. Also that cut Kenny has on his eye will soon be infected.
I thought I was the only one who noticed.
He's holding his stomach, so his hand is bent around it.
Damn, people are just OBSESSED about that cut, aren't they? Were the fans this neurotic when Larry punched Lee in episode 1? Did they think he might turn out to be brain damaged in episode 2?
The stats of the page.
Seems like the old guy with the beard is winning.
In the picture why does Luke only have one arm?!?!
Or one hand?
Whatever
What if you will come across a restaurant with a working fridge, and you have to choose whether you eat pizza or ice cream? xd
I choose Kenny now. Luke you can die in a hole for not helping Sarah.
oh no i just had the worst thought, what if the choice is christa and the baby or kenny
I Choose Kenny, Because Luke Caused to Nick die.
I save Kenny, For Nick.
R.I.PNick
what if telltale trolled us and clem depending on your choice will actually choose who to eat
I'd save Kenny by a nautical mile
Telltalerian people are very keen and strict on Clem's diet, so they decided to only choose one between pizza and ice cream so she won't get fat.
Don't give them that idea, please