Did Rebecca behave realistically?
Carver was a tyrant, but he had food, shelter, and safety (well as long as he doesn't throw you off a building). Rebecca was about to have a baby. Maybe she thought she could run away with Alvin, and he would provide for the baby. But after Alvin was taken out of the picture, it doesn't seem like Rebecca responded realistically. A pregnant mother who is about to have a baby would be willing to put up with a lot to have a safe place to have her baby, even if it meant betraying the rest of the group (telling Carver the escape plan), turning a blind eye to Carver's excesses, or even defending him to get on his good side. It seems like Rebecca had no concern for her baby and was acting like she had nothing to lose ... when she had a lot to lose.
And as we saw in episode 4, going along with the group not only got her killed, but left her baby without food, shelter, or safety.
It seems like she didn't have a strong enough motivation to take such a big risk and leave Carver after she was captured. She wasn't sure about the baby's father, but it's not like Carver could be mad if it turned out the baby wasn't his. And it's not like Rebecca was in any immediate danger from Carver.
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She didn't want Carver raising the baby, he would have been harsh on it or turned it into a guy like himself, Rebecca thought anything was better than that I think...
Alvin was taken out of the picture by Carver. I'd imagine it'd be difficult to allow the man who killed your husband to go on and raise your child. And she does actually express regret at running away, wondering if it would have been better to wait.
I actually found Rebecca's portrayal this episode to be among the most genuine and realistic of all the characters.
Y'know, I think a better plan for the group would've been to try to overthrow Carver. You could see Tavia and the guy she was talking to on the radio were having doubts about him ("I don't think he was gonna let Reggie back in," and they realized the cabin group were pretty much "prisoners.") The only other asshole was Troy, but you could argue he was just following orders. Bonnie already realized something was up, and then she witnessed Carver's madness when he beat up Kenny and Clem. Bonnie could've convinced the rest of the 400 Days peeps, and it could've gone on from there. They could've organized a mutiny maybe not that easily, but if it was worth it to keep all that food and shelter, I would've done that.
But you have the herd
What about short term? Rebecca could have had the baby in the safety of Carver's place, then escaped in the spring when the weather was getting warmer instead of colder.
It seems like Rebecca made the choice like you're thinking, that she can't stay there long term. But actually she could have used Carver short term, instead of running off and dying in the cold for no reason. But maybe she didn't really think it through and went along with everyone else, who felt like they were in danger and needed to get out of there.
Well, there's a difference between staying there long term and letting Carver raise the baby and staying there short term plan to have the baby in safety, then escaping in the spring.
But you bring up a good point that Rebecca said she wasn't sure she made the right choice. It just seemed to me that Rebecca wasn't being realistic as a mother. As a mother her first priority should be having a safe place to deliver her baby, instead of running off into the frozen wastes with no food or plan. That choice is fine for someone like Jane, but it didn't seem realistic for a mother.
So I would have liked to have understood more why Rebecca went along with the group, especially once Alvin was gone. It feels like she went with them just because she was part of the group, like the writers didn't really think about it ... There could have been an interesting development when Rebecca realized that going with the group was too dangerous and not the best thing for her baby, at least not right then.
That's a good point, too. With Carver going crazy (and people like Tavia and Bonnie starting to realize it), people may have been willing to turn on Carver if they had waited him out a bit longer. That's risky because he might kill some more people before he can be overthrown, but smearing walker guts on you and leaving with no food and barely any plan wasn't such a great plan either.
Rebecca could have been the person to mention this idea, since she needed safety the most to deliver her baby.
I agree that no matter how crazy Carver was she should have stayed to have the baby there or else she's seriously risking way too much. And you're right she doesn't have to stay there forever either and could have waited.
The only reason why I think she's in a panic about leaving is maybe she was worried Carver would kill her and the baby if it turned out not to be his. She said before she wasn't sure who it belonged to, so maybe that's why she chose to leave if she honestly feared for their lives. Otherwise it seems pretty reckless.
I also think they should have overthrown Carver as well. Heck Carlos must have realized his daughter couldn't survive out there and it would have been better for them to stay and try and change the leader. If Carver kept on like he did, someone would eventually kill him anyways. When you have a leadership based in fear you don't ever really have anyone on your side at all but a bunch of ticking time bombs of people ready to stab you in the back. The whole group had their doubts as we saw. It wouldn't have been that hard to take him out. The major problem would probably have been who'd be in charge next. But I guess it doesn't matter since that's not how it played out.
Yeah in episode 4 it's clear she thinks like that, if they should have waited or if it was right to leave at that time
Are people forgetting about that huge herd that was basically going to overrun the store
Carvers group was able to fight off herds before so they thought they could do it again, but the group wanted to use that as a distraction...
The rest of the group wouldn't have waited for spring just for her.
You talk about mothers like they're a different species. Everyone makes rash decisions, including mothers. If I remember correctly, they were in the process of escaping when Clem tells her Alvin is gone. Heat of the moment, emotions running high, maybe you don't make the best decisions. Personally, if I were pregnant, I would think about myself first and not my unborn child. Carver was crazy, unpredictable. While the circumstances were different, Rebecca DID choose to escape Carver's camp (while pregnant) once before... knowing the risks of what was outside of the camp. Also, the baby was early, she probably figured they'd have more time to get to a safe, warm place.
That's true. But the herd was coming from all directions towards the hardware store because of the music and speakers. If it hadn't been for that, the herd might've passed right by, and if it did come close, it probably would've just passed the side of the building. Yeah there was a chance the herd could've taken over anyway, but at least the hardware store had walls, compared to the observation deck that collapsed!
Rebecca's baby came exactly a day after they left Carver's place. She said it came early and this could've happened because of the stress of Carver's, but I think they could've waited just a few more days for her to give birth and then go. Though once it was born, as people have pointed out, Carver probably would've kept a better eye on it, or at least kept it inside away from the rest of the "prisoners".
No they didn't I remember tavia and hank (or troy?) talking about how they're not sure the can handle this herd Luke's words also supports this
I guess you get used to people being killed...
Do you really think the group would've waited until spring?
They had handled herds before but this one they thought was going to be Larger
No, But I'm saying in Ep 4 Rebecca seems like she kind of regrets the desicion to leave that early
TTG screwed up. We keep being to.d that Carvers place is horrible despite never actually seeing it ourselves, its lazy writing.
To recognise it as a dystopia we would need to see it as a utopia, we are never given reasonable evidence that it is a terrible place. What it like for the 'inside' people? We never know, we are expected to just be sheep and take carlos's word for it.
You just go around whining, don't you?