I didn't try to save her at the gift shop. Way I saw it, that was a big fall and all the wreckage was on top of her, I doubt Clem could have lifted it off. Also I didn't trust Luke to save Jane on his own since he was weak at the trailer earlier. So I went with saving the one I could, then try to save the other and possibly lose both anyways.
Overall though I try to save whoever I can when it seems doable.
Exactly... I wonder what happened to her?
I'd like TellTale to make like an episode and dedicate it to all those characters that made jus… moret appearances and then got away.
What happened to Ed? Lily? Molly? CHRISTA?
I believe Christa's gonna appear in the next episode... I HOPE.
Every death in TWD is a cheap and anticlimatic pull of feels. You know from the moment you get the option to save someone or not that that someone is going to die soon
Leaving Sarah behind is an out-of-character option for Clementine. Not that it mattered anyway, though. Sarah's death was a cheap and anticlimactic pull for Feels either way.
I always try to save everyone, unless they're a foe like the guy asking for water in S2E1. A zombie apocalypse is not enough to stop me from trying to do what is right.
Fatalism is going to get you killed, and there is no hope for survival from the start. Everyone is going to die or turn sooner or later, so I better try to help the others for as long as I (or them) last.
Ah, THAT Ed. Yeah he's probably dead, like wyatt and everyone else from 400 days after the attack on Carver's holding.
By the way, is it just me or the truck we see in a scene from S2E4 is just like the truck of the guy whop chased them and picked up the black asshole kid? ( I'm terrible with the names of disposable charachters)
Ah, THAT Ed. Yeah he's probably dead, like wyatt and everyone else from 400 days after the attack on Carver's holding.
By the way, is it … morejust me or the truck we see in a scene from S2E4 is just like the truck of the guy whop chased them and picked up the black asshole kid? ( I'm terrible with the names of disposable charachters)
Ah, THAT Ed. Yeah he's probably dead, like wyatt and everyone else from 400 days after the attack on Carver's holding.
By the way, is it … morejust me or the truck we see in a scene from S2E4 is just like the truck of the guy whop chased them and picked up the black asshole kid? ( I'm terrible with the names of disposable charachters)
I didn't try to save her at the gift shop. Way I saw it, that was a big fall and all the wreckage was on top of her, I doubt Clem could have… more lifted it off. Also I didn't trust Luke to save Jane on his own since he was weak at the trailer earlier. So I went with saving the one I could, then try to save the other and possibly lose both anyways.
Overall though I try to save whoever I can when it seems doable.
Start leaving weaker people behind and not giving them a chance, and how long is it gonna be until she becomes Crawford / Carver The Second?
My Lee was always honest with her, never sugar-coated anything, and taught her that it's only ok to kill if the other person is someone who wants/wanted to harm you. Such as, I killed Danny, Andy,the Stranger, but didn't drop Ben.
My Clem tried and kept trying to save Sarah, also she managed the first time because Clem slapped Sarah!! xD It was Gold. I tried 2nd time too.. Because I knew that Jane would find her way back somehow. It was a really sad death in my eyes.
My Clem made an effort to talk to Sarah, but when the zombies got in and it was time to go, Sarah was given one last chance to get up, she c… morehose not to, then it was time to leave her behind.. "We don't leave friends behind" does not mean we all have to stay and die.
I didn't leave Sarah behind but I slapped her and now I feel bad because I'm not certain you're supposed to slap someone having a panic/anxiety attack.
I didn't leave Sarah behind but I slapped her and now I feel bad because I'm not certain you're supposed to slap someone having a panic/anxiety attack.
I saved her in my "canon" playthrough and left her in my second save just to see how it was, honestly? I like the second death scene better it felt less dumb and more emotional.
For the last three episodes, Clementine did whatever she could to save her friends (to the point of becoming almost suicidally reckless). She distracted the scavengers, tried to drag Pete with her, and brazenly charged at Carver...twice. Not to mention the mandatory stuff like stealing and turning on the PA system. But Sarita's death was a complete game-changer.
Chopping off the arm was perhaps the ultimate "nobody gets left behind" choice, because it was a desperate attempt to save her, done without her (or Kenny's) approval. But instead of helping, she only made things far worse. Kenny had to watch Sarita die horribly to the herd and blamed it all on Clem.
I think it sapped the last of my compassion. Clementine put her ass on the line for other people every day, but nothing ever got better. People still died, and who didn't slowly began to resent her (much like Lee in episodes 102-3). It made me realize that Sarah was a lost cause, I just wish she didn't have to die such an awful way.
i saved Sara the first time, but after the experience and conversation about her dad the reality of the situation still didnt hit her and probably wouldnt. she become a liability to the group, i didnt bother trying to save her the second time.
I think I'm keeping my Clem pretty compassionate. Just as I developed Lee to be a caring man who cared about the group before himself, I'm trying to keep her that way too. I'm going to have her try and save as many people as possible. I tried saving Sarah both times - I didn't want to prove Jane right, even if deep down she is. I want Clem to defy those odds because Sarah was my Clem's friend.
I think I'm keeping my Clem pretty compassionate. Just as I developed Lee to be a caring man who cared about the group before himself, I'm t… morerying to keep her that way too. I'm going to have her try and save as many people as possible. I tried saving Sarah both times - I didn't want to prove Jane right, even if deep down she is. I want Clem to defy those odds because Sarah was my Clem's friend.
I had to save Sarah. I've never been a fan of that "super survivalist" mentality of "leave them behind if they're not useful". Those people die just as easily as anyone else. In fact, its been a theme in TWD universe that that selfish elitist attitude makes people hate you, and people that hate you tend to want to kill you,. Perfect example is the whole Crawford situation. One woman who had enough of that bull shit was enough to tear that whole place apart. Had the people of Crawford shown just a smidgen of compassion they'd probably still be around.
So yeah, I play my Clem-Cake as being smart and logical, but also compassionate. As corny as it sounds, you HAVE to care about people. Otherwise no one will give a damn about you, and you WILL find yourself in a situation where wished someone did.
People will not change because you want them to. That was what I was struggling with when saving Sarah. Then with all the talking and mentoring from Jane I didn't hesitate to leave her when the deck fell.
I saved Sarah the first time. And the second. For very different reasons:
1) Like my Clem said to Jane, we had no way of knowing she couldn't become strong one day. I highly doubted she would become stronger, but I still thought she deserved a chance and for somebody to fight for her after Carlos didn't make it. I can still remember how helpless Clem was during many moments of season 1, and there were MANY times when adults (not just Lee) risked themselves to protect her. In my play through, my Clem managed to tell Sarah about those things and that the group could help her to become stronger just like how Lee and the others had helped Clem to survive. Sarah even kind of understood, because here was Clementine, a survivor who had made it this far and was now risking her life for her. I then slapped her to force her to move, and fortunately it worked. However, when Jane told me about her sister, and Sarah finally talked to me some... I did ask Sarah if she wanted me to save her. She didn't really give an answer (just saying she wanted to be with her dad)... So, the next time she was in danger, I almost didn't save her, but I did it anyway because I had different reason for trying to save her.
2) I mostly believed Sarah was a lost cause (especially because she had just gone so catatonic and wasn't really able to process that Carlos was gone). Clem's group was in a terrible situation and Sarah just wasn't with it. Yet, I still asked Jane to save her. Why? Well, for one, I thought Jane needed Clementine to be her conscience and force her to stop giving up on people. Even though Jane ultimately leaves the group anyway because she doesn't want to have to let Clem go, and I know it tortured Jane to save her sister so many times and drag her through endless Hell (and finally just leave her behind out of mercy/having given up), I still think Jane needed to care for people and to risk herself for others or she was doomed. You can tell she is really hurt and is almost incapable of caring for others, of becoming attached to the group, and this will possibly kill her or turn her into something that is not human (because life alone is no life... just look at Bob, Michonne, or Morgan from the TV show). But, I think she still cares and it was important to draw that out of her.
I realized Jane might die by trying to save Sarah, and Sarah was likely to die anyway (or would later), but I thought there was a good chance Jane would survive and it might give her some "closure" about her sister. Sure, it's terrible for her to experience a situation like that yet again, but I thought it was good we tried (and I told Jane she did her best). I personally believe Jane might come back (and might somehow save Clem and the group from the Russians) because you can tell she is not happy being a heartless person. Even if you don't save Sarah and you go along with Jane's "loner" mentality and trash the group at every turn, you can tell it still eats Jane up to be alone and to have left her sister (to the point that she has to leave the group for fear of losing Clem). You don't fear losing something like that unless you really love it, so I suspect she will come back for Clem (and the group) in episode 5 and she might even die helping to save them. They set her up to be such a loner, to be such a "cold" feeling character, but I see through her tough facade. She's a softy on the inside, and those Ruskies better watch themselves, because I think an encounter with an ice pick is in their near future...
3) Finally, in my play-through's group, I will almost ALWAYS push to save people and "do what is right," despite how many times various aspects of TWD stress that doing that often gets you killed. I personally believe having a social group would be VITAL in a situation like this,and considering death is likely anyway, why not stand with people who have your back instead of going it alone? I realize the group has so much baggage in so many ways and is far from perfect, but Clementine was "baggage" to her season 1 group not so long ago as well, and look at EVERYTHING that all those adults took upon themselves when trying to save protect her. Just like I think Clementine's weakness earlier on justifies why I tried to save Sarah (and Sarita too), I think the group must never stop striving to save each other, because that loyalty is their only true strength. If they just leave each other behind, they become too uncaring like Jane (or too selfish like how Kenny would be all about himself in season 1's hectic supply run if Lee disagreed with him and shot the girl to buy more time)... If the group stresses only about keeping those who are strong and culling the weak, then they become no better than Carver. The thing that might save some of Clem's group, in spite of everything, is her fierce determination not to give up on anybody (which might just rub off on them). Many people believed in her when she needed their help, they took her on and bore the burden of having a young, mostly defenseless child in their midst in the middle of the ZA. Most of them died because of that, but she is evidence that their sacrifices weren't in vain. Maybe there is something about her constantly trying to do what is right that will pull her (and some of them) through this ordeal alive and intact. A lot of it is determinant, however, so I don't pretend it will really make a difference. It does to me, though
This episode (and season) really hammers all of this home with its repeated scenarios where you can leave people behind, and how this season allows us to become very cynical and jaded about everything or to keep hope alive even when it's all but pointless to do so. You can leave Pete behind, you can give up on Nick (if he doesn't die immediately), you can trash the group when talking to Jane and ask to leave with her. But... I think, perhaps the real core of this season's theme is contained in an image from "Amid the Ruins" that now appears on the menu screen:
Fallen, but not forsaken.
^people have remarked about the irony of this phrase considering how Sarah dies (and the group kinda just forgets about her, and how Luke just seems to forget about Nick). That determinant hole in the writing aside, I think the setting of a Civil War memorial and the imagery of one soldier literally carrying another says it all. Just like in war, where a friend might get shot and there is little more you can do for them than to be there for him or her and try to get them to some semblance of safety, this season seems to be all about putting Clementine's trust and ability to be loyal and hopeful to the test. I believe some for of Clementine's salvation will come from her determination to keep trying, and Kenny's ability to endure, and Luke's commitment to other people (like speaking up for Rebecca needing to rest), and even Jane's own version of tough love.
Then again, if we look at Sam (literally "man's best friend" and an actual symbol for loyalty), and then look at how all of that was twisted in TWD's world, maybe we really are better off abandoning the whole "We don't leave friends behind" thing and the "Fallen, but not forsaken" stuff and we should just pull a Jane and leave the group to deal with their inevitable downfall without us xD
I'm not leaving anybody behind! No matter what, if my Clem was put into a position where it was either her or her friend she would choose to save her friend.
I won't leave anybody behind.
If I had left anyone behind like that It would mentally eat me alive in RL and I didn't want Clem to portray anybody like that.
I know its not a smart choice in survival but I would feel inhuman otherwise.
The part during the trailer and after walking back really enforced the feeling to try and help Sarah the second time. The way Jane was talking on the way back made me angry. It felt like she was just reinforcing Sarah's feelings of being worthless even if it wasn't intentional.
Same here including other behavior problems that Sarah displays which I rather not talk about much here.
Lets just say I know that feeling what she was feeling all too well.
I had to save Sarah. I've never been a fan of that "super survivalist" mentality of "leave them behind if they're not useful". Those people … moredie just as easily as anyone else. In fact, its been a theme in TWD universe that that selfish elitist attitude makes people hate you, and people that hate you tend to want to kill you,. Perfect example is the whole Crawford situation. One woman who had enough of that bull shit was enough to tear that whole place apart. Had the people of Crawford shown just a smidgen of compassion they'd probably still be around.
So yeah, I play my Clem-Cake as being smart and logical, but also compassionate. As corny as it sounds, you HAVE to care about people. Otherwise no one will give a damn about you, and you WILL find yourself in a situation where wished someone did.
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I didn't try to save her at the gift shop. Way I saw it, that was a big fall and all the wreckage was on top of her, I doubt Clem could have lifted it off. Also I didn't trust Luke to save Jane on his own since he was weak at the trailer earlier. So I went with saving the one I could, then try to save the other and possibly lose both anyways.
Overall though I try to save whoever I can when it seems doable.
Who the hell is Ed?
Every death in TWD is a cheap and anticlimatic pull of feels. You know from the moment you get the option to save someone or not that that someone is going to die soon
I always try to save everyone, unless they're a foe like the guy asking for water in S2E1. A zombie apocalypse is not enough to stop me from trying to do what is right.
Fatalism is going to get you killed, and there is no hope for survival from the start. Everyone is going to die or turn sooner or later, so I better try to help the others for as long as I (or them) last.
It's Eddie but, yeah... The guy from 400 days? Who was with Wyatt.
Ah, THAT Ed. Yeah he's probably dead, like wyatt and everyone else from 400 days after the attack on Carver's holding.
By the way, is it just me or the truck we see in a scene from S2E4 is just like the truck of the guy whop chased them and picked up the black asshole kid? ( I'm terrible with the names of disposable charachters)
In my playthrough, Clem never leaves anyone behind. She belives trust and friendship are the most important things in the apocalypse.
Yeah, I kinda got everyone to go with me? So... My Wyat is - was - at the camp. Probably still shooting at zombies from the roof.
Or he might be dead. Idk. Yeah, probably.
Oh, the RV that Shel and Becca (Shel? Who fucking remembers) stole because she had to kill Stephanie? Lol
Might be.. Yeah, I thought it was familiar too.. Idk.
Yeah, that scene's BS.
If you try to save Sarah at the gift shop? She dies, and Jane lives.
Didn't leave anyone behind.
Start leaving weaker people behind and not giving them a chance, and how long is it gonna be until she becomes Crawford / Carver The Second?
My Lee was always honest with her, never sugar-coated anything, and taught her that it's only ok to kill if the other person is someone who wants/wanted to harm you. Such as, I killed Danny, Andy,the Stranger, but didn't drop Ben.
My Clem tried and kept trying to save Sarah, also she managed the first time because Clem slapped Sarah!! xD It was Gold. I tried 2nd time too.. Because I knew that Jane would find her way back somehow. It was a really sad death in my eyes.
Jane's badass? Yeah. I guess, but. I have my reasons for not really liking her. xD
Molly was cool though. Miss her.
I didn't leave Sarah behind but I slapped her and now I feel bad because I'm not certain you're supposed to slap someone having a panic/anxiety attack.
I don't think that is anxiety or panic, I have social anxiety myself and it certainly doesn't look like that. Also it was to save her freaking life!
My clementine kicked her off the roof of the trailer so they could make their escape
I saved her in my "canon" playthrough and left her in my second save just to see how it was, honestly? I like the second death scene better it felt less dumb and more emotional.
I'd like old Clementine back please?
No?
she is young and naiev at the time
My clem doesnt kill anyone directly, ever, even had lee kill car guy to prevent her from having to kill someone
Eh nope!
Not anymore...
For the last three episodes, Clementine did whatever she could to save her friends (to the point of becoming almost suicidally reckless). She distracted the scavengers, tried to drag Pete with her, and brazenly charged at Carver...twice. Not to mention the mandatory stuff like stealing and turning on the PA system. But Sarita's death was a complete game-changer.
Chopping off the arm was perhaps the ultimate "nobody gets left behind" choice, because it was a desperate attempt to save her, done without her (or Kenny's) approval. But instead of helping, she only made things far worse. Kenny had to watch Sarita die horribly to the herd and blamed it all on Clem.
I think it sapped the last of my compassion. Clementine put her ass on the line for other people every day, but nothing ever got better. People still died, and who didn't slowly began to resent her (much like Lee in episodes 102-3). It made me realize that Sarah was a lost cause, I just wish she didn't have to die such an awful way.
so, you would be willing to forgive someone that left you to die and possibly do it again later? I guess not everyone would survive a ZA.
i saved Sara the first time, but after the experience and conversation about her dad the reality of the situation still didnt hit her and probably wouldnt. she become a liability to the group, i didnt bother trying to save her the second time.
I think I'm keeping my Clem pretty compassionate. Just as I developed Lee to be a caring man who cared about the group before himself, I'm trying to keep her that way too. I'm going to have her try and save as many people as possible. I tried saving Sarah both times - I didn't want to prove Jane right, even if deep down she is. I want Clem to defy those odds because Sarah was my Clem's friend.
I didn't say that but believe me... I will not forgive that
That's how I'm playing my Clem too.
But what about Lilly? She could survive like Kenny?
I had to save Sarah. I've never been a fan of that "super survivalist" mentality of "leave them behind if they're not useful". Those people die just as easily as anyone else. In fact, its been a theme in TWD universe that that selfish elitist attitude makes people hate you, and people that hate you tend to want to kill you,. Perfect example is the whole Crawford situation. One woman who had enough of that bull shit was enough to tear that whole place apart. Had the people of Crawford shown just a smidgen of compassion they'd probably still be around.
So yeah, I play my Clem-Cake as being smart and logical, but also compassionate. As corny as it sounds, you HAVE to care about people. Otherwise no one will give a damn about you, and you WILL find yourself in a situation where wished someone did.
being good will get ya killed like quick
survival of the fittest fuck the rest
A carbon copy of Molly? Yeah we already knew that.
People will not change because you want them to. That was what I was struggling with when saving Sarah. Then with all the talking and mentoring from Jane I didn't hesitate to leave her when the deck fell.
I saved Sarah the first time. And the second. For very different reasons:
1) Like my Clem said to Jane, we had no way of knowing she couldn't become strong one day. I highly doubted she would become stronger, but I still thought she deserved a chance and for somebody to fight for her after Carlos didn't make it. I can still remember how helpless Clem was during many moments of season 1, and there were MANY times when adults (not just Lee) risked themselves to protect her. In my play through, my Clem managed to tell Sarah about those things and that the group could help her to become stronger just like how Lee and the others had helped Clem to survive. Sarah even kind of understood, because here was Clementine, a survivor who had made it this far and was now risking her life for her. I then slapped her to force her to move, and fortunately it worked. However, when Jane told me about her sister, and Sarah finally talked to me some... I did ask Sarah if she wanted me to save her. She didn't really give an answer (just saying she wanted to be with her dad)... So, the next time she was in danger, I almost didn't save her, but I did it anyway because I had different reason for trying to save her.
2) I mostly believed Sarah was a lost cause (especially because she had just gone so catatonic and wasn't really able to process that Carlos was gone). Clem's group was in a terrible situation and Sarah just wasn't with it. Yet, I still asked Jane to save her. Why? Well, for one, I thought Jane needed Clementine to be her conscience and force her to stop giving up on people. Even though Jane ultimately leaves the group anyway because she doesn't want to have to let Clem go, and I know it tortured Jane to save her sister so many times and drag her through endless Hell (and finally just leave her behind out of mercy/having given up), I still think Jane needed to care for people and to risk herself for others or she was doomed. You can tell she is really hurt and is almost incapable of caring for others, of becoming attached to the group, and this will possibly kill her or turn her into something that is not human (because life alone is no life... just look at Bob, Michonne, or Morgan from the TV show). But, I think she still cares and it was important to draw that out of her.
I realized Jane might die by trying to save Sarah, and Sarah was likely to die anyway (or would later), but I thought there was a good chance Jane would survive and it might give her some "closure" about her sister. Sure, it's terrible for her to experience a situation like that yet again, but I thought it was good we tried (and I told Jane she did her best). I personally believe Jane might come back (and might somehow save Clem and the group from the Russians) because you can tell she is not happy being a heartless person. Even if you don't save Sarah and you go along with Jane's "loner" mentality and trash the group at every turn, you can tell it still eats Jane up to be alone and to have left her sister (to the point that she has to leave the group for fear of losing Clem). You don't fear losing something like that unless you really love it, so I suspect she will come back for Clem (and the group) in episode 5 and she might even die helping to save them. They set her up to be such a loner, to be such a "cold" feeling character, but I see through her tough facade. She's a softy on the inside, and those Ruskies better watch themselves, because I think an encounter with an ice pick is in their near future...
3) Finally, in my play-through's group, I will almost ALWAYS push to save people and "do what is right," despite how many times various aspects of TWD stress that doing that often gets you killed. I personally believe having a social group would be VITAL in a situation like this,and considering death is likely anyway, why not stand with people who have your back instead of going it alone? I realize the group has so much baggage in so many ways and is far from perfect, but Clementine was "baggage" to her season 1 group not so long ago as well, and look at EVERYTHING that all those adults took upon themselves when trying to save protect her. Just like I think Clementine's weakness earlier on justifies why I tried to save Sarah (and Sarita too), I think the group must never stop striving to save each other, because that loyalty is their only true strength. If they just leave each other behind, they become too uncaring like Jane (or too selfish like how Kenny would be all about himself in season 1's hectic supply run if Lee disagreed with him and shot the girl to buy more time)... If the group stresses only about keeping those who are strong and culling the weak, then they become no better than Carver. The thing that might save some of Clem's group, in spite of everything, is her fierce determination not to give up on anybody (which might just rub off on them). Many people believed in her when she needed their help, they took her on and bore the burden of having a young, mostly defenseless child in their midst in the middle of the ZA. Most of them died because of that, but she is evidence that their sacrifices weren't in vain. Maybe there is something about her constantly trying to do what is right that will pull her (and some of them) through this ordeal alive and intact. A lot of it is determinant, however, so I don't pretend it will really make a difference. It does to me, though
This episode (and season) really hammers all of this home with its repeated scenarios where you can leave people behind, and how this season allows us to become very cynical and jaded about everything or to keep hope alive even when it's all but pointless to do so. You can leave Pete behind, you can give up on Nick (if he doesn't die immediately), you can trash the group when talking to Jane and ask to leave with her. But... I think, perhaps the real core of this season's theme is contained in an image from "Amid the Ruins" that now appears on the menu screen:
Fallen, but not forsaken.
^people have remarked about the irony of this phrase considering how Sarah dies (and the group kinda just forgets about her, and how Luke just seems to forget about Nick). That determinant hole in the writing aside, I think the setting of a Civil War memorial and the imagery of one soldier literally carrying another says it all. Just like in war, where a friend might get shot and there is little more you can do for them than to be there for him or her and try to get them to some semblance of safety, this season seems to be all about putting Clementine's trust and ability to be loyal and hopeful to the test. I believe some for of Clementine's salvation will come from her determination to keep trying, and Kenny's ability to endure, and Luke's commitment to other people (like speaking up for Rebecca needing to rest), and even Jane's own version of tough love.
Then again, if we look at Sam (literally "man's best friend" and an actual symbol for loyalty), and then look at how all of that was twisted in TWD's world, maybe we really are better off abandoning the whole "We don't leave friends behind" thing and the "Fallen, but not forsaken" stuff and we should just pull a Jane and leave the group to deal with their inevitable downfall without us xD
as evidenced by your Arvo profile picture :P
I'm not leaving anybody behind! No matter what, if my Clem was put into a position where it was either her or her friend she would choose to save her friend.
My Clementine has not lost who she was in Season 1, but she has changed in many ways. Such being a badass at some points.
I won't leave anybody behind.
If I had left anyone behind like that It would mentally eat me alive in RL and I didn't want Clem to portray anybody like that.
I know its not a smart choice in survival but I would feel inhuman otherwise.
The part during the trailer and after walking back really enforced the feeling to try and help Sarah the second time. The way Jane was talking on the way back made me angry. It felt like she was just reinforcing Sarah's feelings of being worthless even if it wasn't intentional.
I have severe anxiety disorder and I'm pretty sure Sarah does, too. What happened in the trailer seemed a lot like a panic attack to me.
Same here including other behavior problems that Sarah displays which I rather not talk about much here.
Lets just say I know that feeling what she was feeling all too well.
I completely agree!