The world changes people
Has anyone ever wondered what everyone was like before the walkers came? It is just something interesting I thought about.
I think before all of this, Carver was probably a nice man. A good neighbor to all those around him and someone everyone looked up to. Nate was probably more rational and less impulsive. Kenny was always a family man, but he was more than likely less aggressive with everyone. Troy seems like he was fairly popular and funny.
I find it kind of weird that people use to be "normal". Like when Kenny killed Craver, I found myself thinking, this guy was the guy who couldn't handle putting down the family dog? Does anyone else find themesleves thinking like this about the characters?
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Nate is awesome no matter how much of an ass he is.
Carver always needed a face smash
Kenny did change
Troy isn't funny he seemed like someone who would give into peer pressure
But everyone can't be Clem...
I get what you mean. I always think to myself, (especially during strong emotional scenes), these people use to have jobs, and families. They use to worry about paying bills not fighting bandits or killing walkers. I actually thought about this when Clementine found the drivers liceneces on the walker and Jane said "I guess some people can't let go of the past". This is the world they live in now.
"Carver always needed a face smash"
he might of been nice Rebecca said he changed
In the tent, when you talk to Kenny, he could say to Clementine, "It's hard to remember that you're still just a little girl". I wonder how people would possibly be able to rebuild society seeing what they have become. Then again, they weren't always like this.
Yeah, it's a little weird to think that some bandit that is attacking you was a lawyer or librarian before the walkers came. Everyone had a job, paid bills and had a loving family, friends, home but after the apocalypse everything is changing. With the walkers everywhere and after what happened with... eveything, the world won't be the same again. At least not in the way it was before. But I guess this is our human nature. When our world drastically change we are trying to adapt as best as we can and we become the part of this new brutal world where only the strongest will survive and trust is something very rare.
It's like that police officer that drove Lee said: "It goes to show, people will up and go mad when they believe their life is over". I can't believe I remembered that after such a long time.
Yeah, I know what you mean. Kenny is an example of how a person could change. Before all of that he was a family man. He probably wasn't as aggressive as he's now and more people could befriend with him BUT I think Clementine is also an excelent example. Before and at the most part of season 1 she was just a nice little girl, who believed in people and was more idealistic then realistic. Then because of what happened to her she lost some of her innocence and became more mature then regular child at her age.
Remember when Christa wasn't a pessimist?
I also found a bit funny that Jane said to Clem "People don't change" when they were talking about Sarah.I was like , uh, almost everyone's changed since the beginning of the apocalypse, Jane. It changes people. I'm pretty sure she didn't have it in her to leave her little sister behind to die being torn apart by hungry creatures before the world ended.
Indeed it does, TWD universe brings about the best and worst.
I don't know. My personal opinion is that the apocalypse doesn't change people, it reveals them. That's why some people stay the same, more or less.
Back in Season one, when Jolene is introduced in the woods, it was weird for me to think that the woman holding the crossbow was the same woman smiling with her daughter in the picture. That was only 3 months into the apocalypse. You could imagine how much everyone else has changed. I bet the St Johns were a nice family before all this. Then again, who becomes a cannibal after 3 months anyways?
I guess it shows who people truly are inside. It makes you think, If it was that clear for Jane to make the decision to leave her sister, how much did she really care when things were normal? I still think that despite the way things are, you could never abandon your love ones if you truly care. Just look at Lee. He stuck with Clementine till the end.
I imagine that once upon a time, Jane was just a young girl very much like Clem. Despite having a habit of teasing people (remember Clem putting bugs on Duck's pillow), she always cared for people and helped them every chance she had. In fact, she still shows a great deal of tenderness and empathy towards others throughout the episode.
But over time, the world wore her down. Made her colder, more ruthless. Until it reached the point where she was led abandon the one last thing in the world she cared about. After that, she just stopped trying to have connections with people. And whenever she starts to grow attached to someone, she forces herself to leave them rather than risk feeling the pain of losing another person she cares for.
Some people see Jane as a monster, but to me, she's everything Clem can become if things keep going like they have been
look at clem in season 1 all cute and innocent and now look at her in season 2 like a whole different person BUT she is still a good person ofcourse just a little....harder.....and all
and shane to he changed ALOT but that's because he wanted lori and carl to be his family so he wanted to kill rick for it but shane had the right stability to survive since he dragged himself into the world. like dale said
I like to imagine that Ben was the shy nerd of the school before. But I think Nate was already a little bit crazy before the apocalypse...
Jane doesn't know what she is talking about she says it's best to survive on your own if luke never found clem in the woods she would be dead i agree groups can be broken but you need people to trust to have your back that's how you survive to have people you trust and work together for survival Jane won't make it if she is on her own. what if she gets cornered by 8 walkers? and no one has her back she is so screwed then. Jane is just a cold woman i won't let my clem listing to her i mean jane left her sis for fuck sake i would never leave my family behind.
It wasn't easy for Jane to leave her sister. If it had been easy she probably had plenty of opportunity over the course of the months in which she "forced her on a hell march". If it was easy, she wouldn't still be deeply concerned about it, she wouldn't see similarities everywhere, and she would've stayed with the group.
Jane might say that people don't change, but this is - to me at least - clearly a coping mechanism. If she believes that people can change, then she also has to believe that her sister could have changed, which will make the pain and guilt of having left her to die utterly unbearable.
like dale says: "i may not have wat it takes to last for long but that's ok the least i can say when the world goes to shit i didn't let it take me down with it"
Sarah would have gotten someone killed the way she was acting. She would not have changed for the better soon enough.
Just imagine, the day of the outbreak Ben probablly thought his life was over because he forgot to study for a really important test or something.
It's always weird trying to imagine some of the more villainous characters as children. I just try to think about what Carver was like at Clem's age and I just can't imagine a guy like that as a little kid.
You know that kid on the playground that forces everyone to play the game he wants and then yells at them for not playing it right? That's Carver.
She should have said people don't change because you want them to. Maybe if there was a safe place to take her until she snapped out of it but there are not many places like that.
That quote always stood out to me.
Michelle was once like Clem. She was a young girl who stood beside her group as they steadily got more desperate and turned to robbery and murder to survive. Eventually they all died, and she was forced to become like them in order to survive. She bullies Clementine with a gun with no intention on actually using it, but when she accidentally kills Omid she immediately surrenders and tries to apologize.
And I think we're meant to believe, despite a lack of any evidence to the contrary, that Carver was once as likable as Kenny was. We can also infer from the change of personality in the 400 Days survivors that Carver's community didn't initially start off as a fascist group, but was gradually molded into it by hardship and betrayal.
Before the apocalypse, Nate was a construction worker who got himself into a bunch of debt due to his alcoholism and gambling addiction. He was kicked out of the house by his wife/girlfriend and left with no choice but to sleep in his truck. When the walkers finally came, it was like a giant reset button was pushed and all his troubles dissapeared and now he just worries about finding some tail.
By the way...what was Bens schooling level? He seems like a high school student, but Molly refered to him as "that college kid".