What's with the forum and differing opinions?
I feel like I need to draw attention to how aggressive the forum can get when people simply have a different perspective about things. I'm sure you've all seen it; Kenny fans freaking out whenever someone tries to criticize their infallible boat god, Clementine fans going apeshit whenever someone tries to criticize the character, moralists going at the throats of survivalists, etc. Even if you word your opinion politely, a good chunk of the community tends to downvote them and leave comments with little substance in response.
Here's the point I'm trying to make; what's wrong with people having different opinions? It promotes discussion. Forums are made for discussion. I don't understand why a majority of the community finds it necessary to pounce on fellow members for unpopular points of view. If you disagree with a comment, but you feel that it's properly contributed to a conversation, don't downvote it. Respond to it and explain why you disagree, or why their logic might be flawed.
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Downvote buttons are childish, Puzzlebox said in the future they'll get rid of them hopefully.
I agree with you piggs and #TeamSarah I agree with you to and I hope you're right.
It's gotten to the point where some users are afraid to make posts that not everyone will agree with because of downvotes, you can say just ignore it but it's part of human nature to want to feel liked and accepted. Just get rid of it and keep the up vote option
I'm kind of half and half on that, but I can see why you'd say that.
I don't have a problem with downvote buttons, it's just that people here seem puzzled as to when they should and shouldn't use it. If someone writes something illegible, provocative, aggressive, irrelevant, or generally distasteful, then yeah, you should downvote it. However, as I stated in the OP, a lot of people tend to think that the downvote button should always be used whenever you disagree with someone. Now that's certainly childish.
That's how I feel everytime I post something.
Unfortunately, it's because it's the fucking internet. Some feel like they can say or do what they want and since they're behind a computer screen, there's no real consequence for their behaviour aside from getting banned on forums.
It's the one place where your online presence can be whatever you want it to be and some people prefer to act extremely defensive and childish when it comes to different opinions.
I really don't care if I get down-voted for any of my comment or discussions and honestly, no one should. There's a reason why there isn't a counter for them like there is for the amount of likes you get: If people don't like what you feel like sharing within the forum but are too scared to explain why so they just take the easy way out and down-vote them, then it's THEIR problem.
I actually agree with you for the most part. I'm used to ignorance and intolerance on the internet, but the problem is that it can be especially strong in this community in particular. A lot of the people here feel immature at times; moreso than on a lot of other websites I've been on.
Any normal human being can't hate Clementine, There is nothing about her to hate.. If you hate her you are heartless or mentally disabled.
There are consequences to rash actions.
It's a problem with the internet. People don't think before they write something, and their emotional responses blind them to actually understanding what someone else is saying. It's a shame, because buried beneath hundreds of blind hatred and love are some truly insightful thoughts on the characters, themes and messages.
There's a difference between hating a character and criticizing elements of it. Clementine isn't a perfectly written character, in my opinion.
In my opinion she is probably in the top three range of best female characters in gaming.
She was incredible in Season 1, so yeah. I agree. I just feel that Telltale has wasted some of her potential in Season 2.
How has her potential been wasted?
We just need to remove the down vote.
Bioware forums do it and at the moment they are incredibly constructive and house many intelligent discussions, which to a large extent are missing here.
They have nothing as mean, rude and reluctant to reason as the Kenny fan downvote brigade haunting their forums, that's for sure.
I dont particularly mind it, healthy disucssion sometimes get a bit intense. I do agree some people take it a bit far with personal insults etc. I honestly still cannot see why anyone cares about a like or dislike, they just seem like a feature to say if you agree or disagree, they really shouldnt bother people.
In theory they shouldn't, but in practise they do, hence it would be best to get rid of them.
Too many users just can't learn to respect an opinion, or they're just too sensitive. I respect all opinions, and I wouldn't go to the extent of hating somebody over an opinion either. That's just retarded.
This also doesn't just happen in this forum, it happens on literally every site. Just check YouTube comments for example, so many arguments break out because of a simple opinion somebody didn't agree with. It's a warzone XD
I understand what you're trying to say, but your point about arguments is very strange.
You state thy arguments happen because someone has a differing opinion. Well, isn't that obvious? And so what?
They might occasionally be unpleasant, but arguments NEED to happen. If no arguments happened at all in the past and no one questioned things, black people would still be segregated and women wouldn't have the vote. Now arguments are allowin gay people to get married, and workin to stop them being massacred in countries where it holds the death penalty.
We HAVE to argue. We HAVE to question the viewpoints of others. That's the only way we can make an impact on the world for the better.
That said, we should argue less rudely on this forum, but giving up argument altogether would be a very bad move.
I'm open to other people's opinions as long as they don't disrespect mine. I hate that shit.
Eh, well I just try to stay away from arguments. I don't like arguing because I'm no good at getting my point across. It can be fun to watch them happen though.
Because some people here are stupid no offense to stupid people
I'm not good at it either, but unfortunately arguments are 100% necessary so there's no point fighting against the concept of them
Just think of them as discussions instead of arguments perhaps!
I just post whatever I want to say, but I do know what the limits are and I'll never cross them.
As for the downvote thing I just completely ignore that because it has no effect on anything whatsoever and for people to take notice of it and get upset by it is sad just like the people who pointlessly click on it.
Welcome to video game forums side of the internet. Where everything is either super 100% awesome or complete utter trash that is a disgrace to the game company how DARE they do that thing~
When you're saying its sad to feel upset over being downvoted are you saying the person needs to get over it? Or you feel bad for them?
Everyone likes me
I'm crazy. Oh wait. People are just haters man, they got to hate cause their getting made fun of at school, or their life sucks in general. As Obama said Haters gotta Hate. Me personally, i think there is more pain in this world its busting at the seams, and i'm trying to be peaceful in my end days.
Welcome to the real internet, my friend. The place where you'll get chewed out for a different opinion, have your sexuality questioned and your maternal ancestry insulted because you don't hold to the narrative.
It's still far better to have such an open environment than one of false politeness and enforced niceness just to spare the feelings of sheltered manchildren.
People are passionate about their favorite characters or they get heated over topics close to their hearts. It's just the way message board discussions go. Asking everyone to present their arguments in a calm and orderly manner is asking too much, I think lol
Yeah well i'm sure the people who bullied Amanda Todd thought the same thing, till she drank bleach and killed herself.
Exactly what I think. This is a discussion platform, people to should have different opinions, otherwise there'd be nothing much to discuss. I noticed the downvotes are mainly used in threads that supports a popular theory or character and everyone against it just downvotes every single comment in the thread and frankly it's just plain silly. It's like yelling "BOOO!" everytime someone tries to say something you don't agree with.
People having differing opinions is normal. But once dislikes flow and people leave retorts then you got a problem. Telltale removing the dislike button later on should help and teach people to stop trolling and being bigoted.
Well, it depends ...
if someone says his opinion, (which must be respected and always), but quoted saying "nonsense", there is "criticize" ....
but WAIT with dislike!
criticize not mean to insult him, because as I said before, you have to respect the opinions of others; but "criticize" is understood to first understand his reasons, and second to compare the opinions ...
doing so (I think) you can discuss and "criticize" without going to the "bad words" ...
Human nature. For example; some disagreements turns into straight out personal arguments and insults. I've been there, honestly.
Yes but it can be controlled, trust me i keep the beast locked in a cage.
Really? That's kinda stupid, sorry. I always thought, and were 100% sure and used the buttons as such, that up- and downvotes are to show how many people agree with you and how many not. If someone's aggressive or rude, you should block or report him, not just downvote him, some might even get off it and enjoy it.
So if I disagree with someone's opinion, I'll downvote to show him I disagree.
I love her character and all, but i hate those people that are like ''IF SHE DIES WE STOP PLAYING''. If she dies i would cry alot, I care for this character, but it's not the end of the series if she dies. Sure telltale may lose a lot of players, but not me.
This is your beast.
And this is mine.
First off how is it stupid? The button is completely misused. Everyone just uses it now if they slightly disagree with something, actually be mature about it and reply back to them on why they might be incorrect. The button should be removed since it would stop all these downvote trolls and lazy users that can't reply. I'll be partying the day it gets deleted, why must you have to have a negative button and doesn't even tell anyone is he post is legit or not because everyone just misuses it.
Even Nate looks down upon your false equivalency with disgust, Georgy.
There's not having a forum be a hugbox for the socially retarded (who seem to demand the world adjust to them [SJWs are the first and most prominent who come to mind]), and then there's active harassment. So don't you dare go saying that being an asshole to anonymous people is the same as harassing someone specific until they snap.
We all have to face our demons in the end. Mine are large enough i don't need any more weight on my soul.