It's just a game. Don't get so worked up about it. If the worst thing that happens in your life is your post on a video game forum gets down-voted a lot, then you've got a pretty good life.
I say keep both up/down buttons... in fact, expand it and add '# of dislikes' to the profile page to keep track of those as well. You know you've hit a good point when you get down-voted
I agree that the downvoting is annoying, but it is what it is I guess. People tend to downvote just because they don't like the opinion, no matter if it is actually correct/ reasonable or not.
For example, if you say anything even semi pro Kenny on the forums these days, prepare to get down voted. Doesn't even matter if you have good points or not.
I've read a few comments on this discussion relating to the up and downvote buttons, and I'd like to give my thoughts on the subject. I do not think the downvote button should be removed. Yes, you could argue that its removal would also remove 'downvoters' or 'downvote trolls', and I'm not saying that isn't a problem, because it is a problem, but in my opinion it would also remove the option of expressing your opinion without creating your own comment. I don't think everyone has to explain themselves in regards to why they downvoted, even though I always do. I've never downvoted a logical comment without replying and explaining myself (that's not to say I've never downvoted an illogical comment and just went about my day), but some people may not have anything to say other than "I don't agree with that", and I don't think they have to explain themselves.
Everyone's gonna get upvotes, everyone's gonna get downvotes. I don't think that should change.
When people downvote without saying why, it isn't very fair to the poster they are downvoting. They can't defend their post/opinion if people are only downvoting and then walking away.
I've read a few comments on this discussion relating to the up and downvote buttons, and I'd like to give my thoughts on the subject. I do n… moreot think the downvote button should be removed. Yes, you could argue that its removal would also remove 'downvoters' or 'downvote trolls', and I'm not saying that isn't a problem, because it is a problem, but in my opinion it would also remove the option of expressing your opinion without creating your own comment. I don't think everyone has to explain themselves in regards to why they downvoted, even though I always do. I've never downvoted a logical comment without replying and explaining myself (that's not to say I've never downvoted an illogical comment and just went about my day), but some people may not have anything to say other than "I don't agree with that", and I don't think they have to explain themselves.
Everyone's gonna get upvotes, everyone's gonna get downvotes. I don't think that should change.
I do like her character. However I don't like the way you put things. You're doing pretty much what the OP said.
So if people don't agree with your view that any "normal", as you put it, human can't hate a fictional game character, then they're probably mentally disabled. Well that's pretty damn childish and incredibly narrow minded of you buddy.
What makes it unfair though? What about likes? What about people who upvote and don't say why? There literally is no difference except one is positive and one is negative. They don't affect anything. Removing the downvote button because of the negativity it presents is really stupid to me. I guess we should just be happy it only shows likes received on our profile.
When people downvote without saying why, it isn't very fair to the poster they are downvoting. They can't defend their post/opinion if people are only downvoting and then walking away.
I'm used to bigger communities where people tend to be aggressive about opinions and whatnot, but this forum's pretty unique in the sense that everyone's like "IF MUH CLEM DIES WE RIOT".
Welcome to the real internet, my friend. The place where you'll get chewed out for a different opinion, have your sexuality questioned and y… moreour maternal ancestry insulted because you don't hold to the narrative.
It's still far better to have such an open environment than one of false politeness and enforced niceness just to spare the feelings of sheltered manchildren.
I don't wanna derail the thread too much, so I'll try to finish up the conversation with this post.
Telltale's "illusion of choice" is beginning to weaken when you look at Clem. You can make every choice possible to preserve her innocence, or make choices that should destroy it and harden her; in the end, it doesn't make any difference. Your choices don't effect Clementine's behavior. I really want to see more character development on her part, but Telltale seems more focused on developing other people; Rebecca and a certain man with a beard, for example.
I agree completely. I had one little theory I talked about with a friend and shared it with this forum in one out of the two threads I've made, since returning to this forum, but people just felt like calling it stupid and exploded the dislike button. Only had 4 likes and one good discussion with a person. I even respected the people who thought it was very unlikely but every post I made got a dislike. It felt awful. I didn't think I gave a shit about dislikes but it really sucked.
Some people (including me ) get overly worked up if someone doesn't like a fictional character they like. But in all seriousness, this is a very good post, and I probably will stay more away from the down vote button now.
I'm sorry but you're overthinking this... I rarely see the active members, with the exception of some extremist Kenny and Clem fans like you mentioned, bitch other members.
As much as a lot of people get frustrated by having their posts downvoted, I think the option to downvote is necessary in a forum that is as controversial as this one: it is interesting to have the actual numbers on how many people agree or disagree with you opinion.
It's easy to push the limits of what is and isn't acceptable. We can't flag EVERY post by those standards. Sometimes, being a general dick isn't against the rules, so the downvote button is a good device to voice disapproval.
I must disagree.
As much as a lot of people get frustrated by having their posts downvoted, I think the option to downvote is necessary i… moren a forum that is as controversial as this one: it is interesting to have the actual numbers on how many people agree or disagree with you opinion.
@Piggs
That would be the purpose of the FLAG button.
I'm used to bigger communities where people tend to be aggressive about opinions and whatnot, but this forum's pretty unique in the sense that everyone's like "IF MUH CLEM DIES WE RIOT".
I'm sorry but you're overthinking this... I rarely see the active members, with the exception of some extremist Kenny and Clem fans like you mentioned, bitch other members.
Yeah, I do agree with you. Best would be that you are only able to up- and downvote a post if you explain why. That would be ideal.
Then again, it would be ideal if everyone would just stop fighting and love each other, but that's just a dream, as is expecting trolls to stop trolling. You can't stop people misusing things like the downvote-button. If you want to delete everything that could be misused by trolls and lazy people, eventually you'd have to delete the whole Internet.
And again, I wonder, if you are so against the Votes, why bother so much about them? If you don't care what other people thing about your opinion, just ignore the votes. Can't be too hard, right? Does it hurt your pride?
By the way, my posts never got unrightful voted. If I stated a common opinion, my votes got upvoted, and opinions I know are controversial get partly downvoted. hell, one or two even got almost totally downvoted. Not on this Forum though. So what? It doesn't hurt me, it doesn't stop me from stating my opinion, I don't have that much of a low self esteem. And you and other shouldn't have either.
First off how is it stupid? The button is completely misused. Everyone just uses it now if they slightly disagree with something, actually b… moree mature about it and reply back to them on why they might be incorrect. The button should be removed since it would stop all these downvote trolls and lazy users that can't reply. I'll be partying the day it gets deleted, why must you have to have a negative button and doesn't even tell anyone is he post is legit or not because everyone just misuses it.
If you disagree with someone's post, you should either say so and say WHY you disagree or just leave the thread. There are plenty of other threads (and forums) that can be visited instead. Using the down vote to say you disagree when not stating why is a cheap shot. The point of the forum is to discuss matters. Down voting is childish as is not saying why you did so, especially when people will down vote for the silliest things. Someone says they like chocolate ice cream and all of the vanilla lovers will down vote them just because they like vanilla more. It's silly.
It'll be a good day when the down votes are removed. While the up voting has its points, people just abuse the system. It's no different than people posting to pad their post count so they can appear to be a helpful poster. I've seen both across many forums and it's irritating. I'd be glad if they removed the voting system and hid post counts so people don't feel the urge to pad either. You should post if you have a valid opinion or argument to offer, not post just to get to a certain post count or get a certain number of likes.
Really? That's kinda stupid, sorry. I always thought, and were 100% sure and used the buttons as such, that up- and downvotes are to show ho… morew many people agree with you and how many not. If someone's aggressive or rude, you should block or report him, not just downvote him, some might even get off it and enjoy it.
So if I disagree with someone's opinion, I'll downvote to show him I disagree.
Down voting is unfair in the instance that it is the only thing that you use to address someone's post. It doesn't allow the poster to defend their viewpoints. Basically, downvoting is a lazy way for people to disagree with other posters without actually having to use their brains to come up with a counter opinion/argument.
The difference is kind of a big deal. Obviously getting praise for one of your posts is entirely different than getting shot down with no means of defending your stance.
What makes it unfair though? What about likes? What about people who upvote and don't say why? There literally is no difference except one i… mores positive and one is negative. They don't affect anything. Removing the downvote button because of the negativity it presents is really stupid to me. I guess we should just be happy it only shows likes received on our profile.
I can see why that would bother some people, but I don't think that it's a lazy way to disagree for everyone. And regarding the difference, no, I don't think it is a big deal. If I start getting upvotes on a post, or even if I don't, I expect downvotes, that's because I see it as people disagreeing with my perspective, and that's okay. Granted, downvote trolls are very annoying, and as I said they are a problem, I don't think removing the button is the solution. Of course, if someone thinks that downvoting is just a lazy way for people to disagree with other posters, then they'll obviously see things differently.
Down voting is unfair in the instance that it is the only thing that you use to address someone's post. It doesn't allow the poster to defen… mored their viewpoints. Basically, downvoting is a lazy way for people to disagree with other posters without actually having to use their brains to come up with a counter opinion/argument.
The difference is kind of a big deal. Obviously getting praise for one of your posts is entirely different than getting shot down with no means of defending your stance.
I think people really start to over-exaggerate what the downvotes are. I don't see them as a way of attacking people, I just see them as a way for disagreeing with your opinion. Heck I myself downvoted that post of yours for that reason. It doesn't mean we're all assholes.
I think people really start to over-exaggerate what the downvotes are. I don't see them as a way of attacking people, I just see them as a w… moreay for disagreeing with your opinion. Heck I myself downvoted that post of yours for that reason. It doesn't mean we're all assholes.
I will admit, it irritates me when I get a large amount of downvotes, but no replies explaining why they disagree with my comment/ why they felt the need to downvote me. It seems to happen a lot, because I'm often in the minority opinion about something controversial. But that's just the internet for you, there's always going to be trolls and/or people who are incapable of forming a substantial argument other than "I don't agree with your opinion, so I dislike you and your opinion".
I will admit, it irritates me when I get a large amount of downvotes, but no replies explaining why they disagree with my comment/ why they … morefelt the need to downvote me. It seems to happen a lot, because I'm often in the minority opinion about something controversial. But that's just the internet for you, there's always going to be trolls and/or people who are incapable of forming a substantial argument other than "I don't agree with your opinion, so I dislike you and your opinion".
The Prophecy of the Raging Redneck shall come true, for the StacheGods have predicted it...and the rest of the world- I mean forums- is none the wiser...cue evil laugh
Agreed, what they don't know is that Kenny's power will become unlimited when i receive over 9000 downvotes,
Then Kenny is going Super Sayan Kenny, and restart humanity with the power of his stash.
Yeah, but it just comes across as kind of lazy. The only replies I got out of those 54 people were pretty substanceless. It feels like people are trying to dismiss my opinion without addressing it, if that makes sense.
I think people really start to over-exaggerate what the downvotes are. I don't see them as a way of attacking people, I just see them as a w… moreay for disagreeing with your opinion. Heck I myself downvoted that post of yours for that reason. It doesn't mean we're all assholes.
It's ridiculous how some of you guys complain non-stop about the downvotes.
Yeah, I'd like them removed: But it's annoying as hell when some people go 'OMIGOD NOO IM DOWNVOTED. FUUUUCK. MY HEART IS SHATTERED.'
As long as it's your opinion, feel free to give zero fucks, and just ignore anyone else downvoting you or replying you saying 'ur opinion sucks ha ha ha'
Makes sense. I dont know how being downvoted by 54 individuals feels and all the replies werent 'well done' what i do now is ignore the downvotes and see how many likes i got. Look you got 13 likes
Yeah, but it just comes across as kind of lazy. The only replies I got out of those 54 people were pretty substanceless. It feels like people are trying to dismiss my opinion without addressing it, if that makes sense.
It's ridiculous how some of you guys complain non-stop about the downvotes.
Yeah, I'd like them removed: But it's annoying as hell when s… moreome people go 'OMIGOD NOO IM DOWNVOTED. FUUUUCK. MY HEART IS SHATTERED.'
As long as it's your opinion, feel free to give zero fucks, and just ignore anyone else downvoting you or replying you saying 'ur opinion sucks ha ha ha'
I had my share of that "Racism" on my threads as well, And believe it or not, A mod acted that childishly to me before. That's why I don't stay much on the forums here anymore.
Well... seeing as how multiple people used this video I made across the forum... it's not surprising:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oaKGgS1SD8&list=UUZY1l0oCREzKx-CVG8s37vw
Been there, anyways, I like when people have different opinions. If everyone liked Clementine and Kenny we would have a lot less to talk about. I do agree it can eventually lead to getting out of hand (been there too) but it is entertaining hearing a "rival" point of view.
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It's just a game. Don't get so worked up about it. If the worst thing that happens in your life is your post on a video game forum gets down-voted a lot, then you've got a pretty good life.
I say keep both up/down buttons... in fact, expand it and add '# of dislikes' to the profile page to keep track of those as well. You know you've hit a good point when you get down-voted
I agree that the downvoting is annoying, but it is what it is I guess. People tend to downvote just because they don't like the opinion, no matter if it is actually correct/ reasonable or not.
For example, if you say anything even semi pro Kenny on the forums these days, prepare to get down voted. Doesn't even matter if you have good points or not.
I've read a few comments on this discussion relating to the up and downvote buttons, and I'd like to give my thoughts on the subject. I do not think the downvote button should be removed. Yes, you could argue that its removal would also remove 'downvoters' or 'downvote trolls', and I'm not saying that isn't a problem, because it is a problem, but in my opinion it would also remove the option of expressing your opinion without creating your own comment. I don't think everyone has to explain themselves in regards to why they downvoted, even though I always do. I've never downvoted a logical comment without replying and explaining myself (that's not to say I've never downvoted an illogical comment and just went about my day), but some people may not have anything to say other than "I don't agree with that", and I don't think they have to explain themselves.
Everyone's gonna get upvotes, everyone's gonna get downvotes. I don't think that should change.
I read the title and laugh. I read the description and understand.
When people downvote without saying why, it isn't very fair to the poster they are downvoting. They can't defend their post/opinion if people are only downvoting and then walking away.
I do like her character. However I don't like the way you put things. You're doing pretty much what the OP said.
So if people don't agree with your view that any "normal", as you put it, human can't hate a fictional game character, then they're probably mentally disabled. Well that's pretty damn childish and incredibly narrow minded of you buddy.
What makes it unfair though? What about likes? What about people who upvote and don't say why? There literally is no difference except one is positive and one is negative. They don't affect anything. Removing the downvote button because of the negativity it presents is really stupid to me. I guess we should just be happy it only shows likes received on our profile.
I'm used to bigger communities where people tend to be aggressive about opinions and whatnot, but this forum's pretty unique in the sense that everyone's like "IF MUH CLEM DIES WE RIOT".
I don't wanna derail the thread too much, so I'll try to finish up the conversation with this post.
Telltale's "illusion of choice" is beginning to weaken when you look at Clem. You can make every choice possible to preserve her innocence, or make choices that should destroy it and harden her; in the end, it doesn't make any difference. Your choices don't effect Clementine's behavior. I really want to see more character development on her part, but Telltale seems more focused on developing other people; Rebecca and a certain man with a beard, for example.
This post itself is a rain of downvotes. Spins dramatically among the falling down votes from the sky xD
I agree completely. I had one little theory I talked about with a friend and shared it with this forum in one out of the two threads I've made, since returning to this forum, but people just felt like calling it stupid and exploded the dislike button. Only had 4 likes and one good discussion with a person. I even respected the people who thought it was very unlikely but every post I made got a dislike. It felt awful. I didn't think I gave a shit about dislikes but it really sucked.
Some people (including me
) get overly worked up if someone doesn't like a fictional character they like. But in all seriousness, this is a very good post, and I probably will stay more away from the down vote button now.
I'm sorry but you're overthinking this... I rarely see the active members, with the exception of some extremist Kenny and Clem fans like you mentioned, bitch other members.
I must disagree.
As much as a lot of people get frustrated by having their posts downvoted, I think the option to downvote is necessary in a forum that is as controversial as this one: it is interesting to have the actual numbers on how many people agree or disagree with you opinion.
@Piggs
That would be the purpose of the FLAG button.
It's easy to push the limits of what is and isn't acceptable. We can't flag EVERY post by those standards. Sometimes, being a general dick isn't against the rules, so the downvote button is a good device to voice disapproval.
If you have a minority opinion I guess you get downvotes and such,
I don't mind if it's an argument, I like to debate with smart people
That's just the idiots. They are easily ignored and ridiculed.
I've had it happen to me before, if I have to give one example.
People got pretty aggressive with their responses, too.
Yeah, I do agree with you. Best would be that you are only able to up- and downvote a post if you explain why. That would be ideal.
Then again, it would be ideal if everyone would just stop fighting and love each other, but that's just a dream, as is expecting trolls to stop trolling. You can't stop people misusing things like the downvote-button. If you want to delete everything that could be misused by trolls and lazy people, eventually you'd have to delete the whole Internet.
And again, I wonder, if you are so against the Votes, why bother so much about them? If you don't care what other people thing about your opinion, just ignore the votes. Can't be too hard, right? Does it hurt your pride?
By the way, my posts never got unrightful voted. If I stated a common opinion, my votes got upvoted, and opinions I know are controversial get partly downvoted. hell, one or two even got almost totally downvoted. Not on this Forum though. So what? It doesn't hurt me, it doesn't stop me from stating my opinion, I don't have that much of a low self esteem. And you and other shouldn't have either.
If you disagree with someone's post, you should either say so and say WHY you disagree or just leave the thread. There are plenty of other threads (and forums) that can be visited instead. Using the down vote to say you disagree when not stating why is a cheap shot. The point of the forum is to discuss matters. Down voting is childish as is not saying why you did so, especially when people will down vote for the silliest things. Someone says they like chocolate ice cream and all of the vanilla lovers will down vote them just because they like vanilla more. It's silly.
It'll be a good day when the down votes are removed. While the up voting has its points, people just abuse the system. It's no different than people posting to pad their post count so they can appear to be a helpful poster. I've seen both across many forums and it's irritating. I'd be glad if they removed the voting system and hid post counts so people don't feel the urge to pad either. You should post if you have a valid opinion or argument to offer, not post just to get to a certain post count or get a certain number of likes.
Down voting is unfair in the instance that it is the only thing that you use to address someone's post. It doesn't allow the poster to defend their viewpoints. Basically, downvoting is a lazy way for people to disagree with other posters without actually having to use their brains to come up with a counter opinion/argument.
The difference is kind of a big deal. Obviously getting praise for one of your posts is entirely different than getting shot down with no means of defending your stance.
I can see why that would bother some people, but I don't think that it's a lazy way to disagree for everyone. And regarding the difference, no, I don't think it is a big deal. If I start getting upvotes on a post, or even if I don't, I expect downvotes, that's because I see it as people disagreeing with my perspective, and that's okay. Granted, downvote trolls are very annoying, and as I said they are a problem, I don't think removing the button is the solution. Of course, if someone thinks that downvoting is just a lazy way for people to disagree with other posters, then they'll obviously see things differently.
I think people really start to over-exaggerate what the downvotes are. I don't see them as a way of attacking people, I just see them as a way for disagreeing with your opinion. Heck I myself downvoted that post of yours for that reason. It doesn't mean we're all assholes.
For that very reason telltale is taking them out of the forums, or they are trying to.
I will admit, it irritates me when I get a large amount of downvotes, but no replies explaining why they disagree with my comment/ why they felt the need to downvote me. It seems to happen a lot, because I'm often in the minority opinion about something controversial. But that's just the internet for you, there's always going to be trolls and/or people who are incapable of forming a substantial argument other than "I don't agree with your opinion, so I dislike you and your opinion".
Agreed, what they don't know is that Kenny's power will become unlimited when i receive over 9000 downvotes,
Then Kenny is going Super Sayan Kenny, and restart humanity with the power of his stash.
Fuck downvotes.
The Prophecy of the Raging Redneck shall come true, for the StacheGods have predicted it...and the rest of the world- I mean forums- is none the wiser...cue evil laugh
Yeah, but it just comes across as kind of lazy. The only replies I got out of those 54 people were pretty substanceless. It feels like people are trying to dismiss my opinion without addressing it, if that makes sense.
Fuck downvotes.
They need to get over it.
It hasn't seemed that bad to me. People have opinions and if they're too extreme to be considered rational it's just best not to give them credence.
It's ridiculous how some of you guys complain non-stop about the downvotes.
Yeah, I'd like them removed: But it's annoying as hell when some people go 'OMIGOD NOO IM DOWNVOTED. FUUUUCK. MY HEART IS SHATTERED.'
As long as it's your opinion, feel free to give zero fucks, and just ignore anyone else downvoting you or replying you saying 'ur opinion sucks ha ha ha'
Makes sense. I dont know how being downvoted by 54 individuals feels and all the replies werent 'well done' what i do now is ignore the downvotes and see how many likes i got. Look you got 13 likes
Jesus, I don't care that much at all. Who said I did?
I had my share of that "Racism" on my threads as well, And believe it or not, A mod acted that childishly to me before. That's why I don't stay much on the forums here anymore.
Well... seeing as how multiple people used this video I made across the forum... it's not surprising:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oaKGgS1SD8&list=UUZY1l0oCREzKx-CVG8s37vw
A fucking masterpiece.
amen,thank you its about time someone said it
Been there, anyways, I like when people have different opinions. If everyone liked Clementine and Kenny we would have a lot less to talk about. I do agree it can eventually lead to getting out of hand (been there too) but it is entertaining hearing a "rival" point of view.