The two ways that it's most probable that Lilly is around:
* She was following Kenny
* She was heading to the same place as Kenny
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The thing is it's still unlikely she would have found the R.V. (if you left her at the side of the road), they drove for miles before stopping in the R.V. plus they travelled for miles and miles on the train (to the coast along a direct, uncluttered route). Also, time has passed. Why would Lilly be tracking them that long to appear now?
Maybe revenge for her father's death, but then it just feels like a pale echo of the season one finale.
Basically if Lilly shows up she shows up but it wouldn't be believable that the R.V. is there to indicate she used it to drive there. It might have been put there to cue the audiences subconscious (like were being cued to think that Kenny is the perfect guy to look after the baby) but it's all really too tenuous to draw a definite conclusion on it all.
Yes it would. Omid, Christa, and Clem were together from the start of S2 so they don't count as returning in the sense he is referring. Kenny was the only character to actually leave the group and miraculously find his way back. That was unrealistic enough. Having the same fan service happen twice would be horrible.
Hmm. There's plenty of holes and alternative explanations.
First, the RV as said before could be a reused model, which is what I genuinely believe. And even if the RV was Lilly's and Lilly was in that general area, why would the RV be parked perfectly (as in a parking space) in the middle of a complex with walkers around?
Remember that the Russians main lurking place were 'in the woods' and that these woods were quite a walking distance even from the observation deck - Jane and Clementine walked in the opposite direction to the motels, so that means that the location of the RV relative to where the Russians are a long way away. I suppose in theory the Russians could have found Lilly at the motel, Lilly could have went to the Russians and found them in the woods or even have met them earlier and led the Russians to where they hide today. But nothing really suggests that Lilly had any experience speaking Russian, and if she was the leader why isn't she there with the main group in the ambush against the group?
Furthermore, if Arvo went back to the Russians with Lilly there and said "I was robbed by a little girl! She is called Clementine!" wouldn't that ring a few alarm bells to her? Surely she'd want to go see for herself that she was there, and since all she has is memory of S1 Clementine, she wouldn't have any reason to actively go after Clementine for revenge and would find it curious that she "robbed" Arvo. I suppose it's possible Arvo wouldn't have mentioned Clementine by name and would've slipped through without really getting Lilly curious. Also in one of the dialogue options who says "But you we know, you're Clementine!" which could suggest that Arvo actually told the Russians about her anyway. It could be just bad English and Arvo saying "we" instead of "I", but it's a bitch of a technicality if not.
And I might be a bit sketchy on this, but I don't really remember her having any obsession with oxy? I remember her almost having a breakdown because Ben was taking stuff like that to the bandits, but then she wasn't really in the best mind-set at all after Larry was killed. And who wouldn't, it's a rare thing to find drugs in the apocalypse months into it. I remember she wanted 'nitro-glycerine pills' but that was only for her dad's heart?
I also have a slight hangover from my brothers birthday last night, so if there's any problems then yeah...
Unlikely, improbable, even implausible, but not impossible (I thought it implausible. For me Kenny was almost certainly dead and having him brought back seemed too unrealistic but it is what it is.).
Lee being alive just seems to defy all possibility.
Edit: Oops wrong thread. It's not impossible that she could have spent the time off-screen tracking down the R.V. but it just seems completely unlikely to me without some kind of R.V.-centric revenge plot.
For me it breaks down at the possibility of the kind of coincidence that would let her be there. Truth is stranger than fiction and you can't write most true events and have them feel plausible within a fictitious narrative. Lilly being there is possible but too implausible unless she's making it her business to find them or is heading to the same location via a mountain pass or valley etc., then it's just the question of timing: Why are they all passing through that area at the same time?
Maybe Lilly's been detained by the Russians on the way to the same destination Clem and the party are headed, but do they still have a clear plan as to where they're going and are there really that few routes to get there that they'd all pass through the same area?
Hmm. There's plenty of holes and alternative explanations.
First, the RV as said before could be a reused model, which is what I genuinel… morey believe. And even if the RV was Lilly's and Lilly was in that general area, why would the RV be parked perfectly (as in a parking space) in the middle of a complex with walkers around?
Remember that the Russians main lurking place were 'in the woods' and that these woods were quite a walking distance even from the observation deck - Jane and Clementine walked in the opposite direction to the motels, so that means that the location of the RV relative to where the Russians are a long way away. I suppose in theory the Russians could have found Lilly at the motel, Lilly could have went to the Russians and found them in the woods or even have met them earlier and led the Russians to where they hide today. But nothing really suggests that Lilly had any experience speaking Russian, and if she was the leader… [view original content]
Whether you abandon her after she betrays you (in which case she's seen by all the walkers), or whether you take her along in which case she will betray you again (in which case she gets away with the RV), her death is not confirmed. At all.
If she abandons you, then... Well of course she'd have the RV.
If you abandon her, then I suppose it is completely possible that Lily caught up to the section of railroad where the group found the train and took the abandoned RV from there.
Not necessarily. We didn't see her die but that doesn't mean she didn't die off-screen. I'd imagine they'd leave it open for her to return but if it's been confirmed somewhere that she is still alive (and so is being considered as a returning character) it's not something I've personally seen or heard.
Yes it would. Omid, Christa, and Clem were together from the start of S2 so they don't count as returning in the sense he is referring. Kenn… morey was the only character to actually leave the group and miraculously find his way back. That was unrealistic enough. Having the same fan service happen twice would be horrible.
Hmmm... she was right about Ben stealing medicine... she is trying to survive just like everyone else... she lost the only person she really… more cared about, which was Larry, her dad, who protected her... most of the group hated her... I'm not saying these make here actions any brighter, but you can't look at her as just a bad person when she did more good than allot of people.
well if she returns my Clem will insult her at every moment possible and
also kill her if option is given
god I hated that bitch after what she did to Carley after I tried to save her fucking father
So because shes not Russian that means shes not allowed to be in their group? nah man. Just because shes not Russian it doesn't mean that she cant still be with them.
And Arvo can speak English, so she can still communicate with them.
You guys are really dumb...IT'S A DAMN RUSSIAN RUSSIAN RUSSIAN GROUP HOW COME SHE WILL BE IN IT WHILE SHE IS CAUCUSIAN-AMERICAN WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE??????!!!!!
A forced plot = a bad plot, which sounds like what you people want. I swear, if Lily miraculously shows up in episode 5 or in any other Walking Dead episode, I will never play it again. You people don't know what you're talking about.
if Arvo went back to the Russians with Lilly there and said "I was robbed by a little girl! She is called Clementine!" wouldn't that ring a few alarm bells to her? Surely she'd want to go see for herself that she was there
If this were to actually happen i personally would feel that Lily would NOT go because it's clementine, if the Russians were definite that they were going to ambush her group, why would Lily want to go, as far as im concerned Lily never hated Clem, why would she want to watch her die.
Hmm. There's plenty of holes and alternative explanations.
First, the RV as said before could be a reused model, which is what I genuinel… morey believe. And even if the RV was Lilly's and Lilly was in that general area, why would the RV be parked perfectly (as in a parking space) in the middle of a complex with walkers around?
Remember that the Russians main lurking place were 'in the woods' and that these woods were quite a walking distance even from the observation deck - Jane and Clementine walked in the opposite direction to the motels, so that means that the location of the RV relative to where the Russians are a long way away. I suppose in theory the Russians could have found Lilly at the motel, Lilly could have went to the Russians and found them in the woods or even have met them earlier and led the Russians to where they hide today. But nothing really suggests that Lilly had any experience speaking Russian, and if she was the leader… [view original content]
u mean madicane she isnt "Obsessed" with anything and i dont think she is the leader too they used the RV model to work faster there is no hint or anything
well if she returns my Clem will insult her at every moment possible and
also kill her if option is given
god I hated that bitch after what she did to Carley after I tried to save her fucking father
Lilly couldn't be the leader of the Russian bandits. Her father, Larry, was a retired army commander who probably hated Russians and said, "Damn Commie bastards!" a lot in his youth and raised Lilly to dislike them too.
You guys are really dumb...IT'S A DAMN RUSSIAN RUSSIAN RUSSIAN GROUP HOW COME SHE WILL BE IN IT WHILE SHE IS CAUCUSIAN-AMERICAN WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE??????!!!!!
I'd like to think Lilly is alive and around but I don't buy her being the leader of the Russians.
And where exactly was her RV seen, by the way? Can I have screenshot or something?
I'd like to think Lilly is alive and around but I don't buy her being the leader of the Russians.
And where exactly was her RV seen, by the way? Can I have screenshot or something?
Lily did say in season 1 she used to work in aircraft or airplanes so i think its possible that maybe she knows them because she might of been trying to help fix there airplane or something that happened to crash in america. Arvo sister is wounded from the crash and Lily is helping them but thats just theory
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Let's not forget that Kenny was revived and it was extremely unlikely that he survived in the alley.
That was oxytocin I believe not oxycontin
Yes it would. Omid, Christa, and Clem were together from the start of S2 so they don't count as returning in the sense he is referring. Kenny was the only character to actually leave the group and miraculously find his way back. That was unrealistic enough. Having the same fan service happen twice would be horrible.
Hmm. There's plenty of holes and alternative explanations.
First, the RV as said before could be a reused model, which is what I genuinely believe. And even if the RV was Lilly's and Lilly was in that general area, why would the RV be parked perfectly (as in a parking space) in the middle of a complex with walkers around?
Remember that the Russians main lurking place were 'in the woods' and that these woods were quite a walking distance even from the observation deck - Jane and Clementine walked in the opposite direction to the motels, so that means that the location of the RV relative to where the Russians are a long way away. I suppose in theory the Russians could have found Lilly at the motel, Lilly could have went to the Russians and found them in the woods or even have met them earlier and led the Russians to where they hide today. But nothing really suggests that Lilly had any experience speaking Russian, and if she was the leader why isn't she there with the main group in the ambush against the group?
Furthermore, if Arvo went back to the Russians with Lilly there and said "I was robbed by a little girl! She is called Clementine!" wouldn't that ring a few alarm bells to her? Surely she'd want to go see for herself that she was there, and since all she has is memory of S1 Clementine, she wouldn't have any reason to actively go after Clementine for revenge and would find it curious that she "robbed" Arvo. I suppose it's possible Arvo wouldn't have mentioned Clementine by name and would've slipped through without really getting Lilly curious. Also in one of the dialogue options who says "But you we know, you're Clementine!" which could suggest that Arvo actually told the Russians about her anyway. It could be just bad English and Arvo saying "we" instead of "I", but it's a bitch of a technicality if not.
And I might be a bit sketchy on this, but I don't really remember her having any obsession with oxy? I remember her almost having a breakdown because Ben was taking stuff like that to the bandits, but then she wasn't really in the best mind-set at all after Larry was killed. And who wouldn't, it's a rare thing to find drugs in the apocalypse months into it. I remember she wanted 'nitro-glycerine pills' but that was only for her dad's heart?
I also have a slight hangover from my brothers birthday last night, so if there's any problems then yeah...
Lilly in season 1 wanted nitroglycerin (Or how the hell is written) pills for her dad, because he had heart problems.
Unlikely, improbable, even implausible, but not impossible (I thought it implausible. For me Kenny was almost certainly dead and having him brought back seemed too unrealistic but it is what it is.).
Lee being alive just seems to defy all possibility.
Edit: Oops wrong thread. It's not impossible that she could have spent the time off-screen tracking down the R.V. but it just seems completely unlikely to me without some kind of R.V.-centric revenge plot.
For me it breaks down at the possibility of the kind of coincidence that would let her be there. Truth is stranger than fiction and you can't write most true events and have them feel plausible within a fictitious narrative. Lilly being there is possible but too implausible unless she's making it her business to find them or is heading to the same location via a mountain pass or valley etc., then it's just the question of timing: Why are they all passing through that area at the same time?
Maybe Lilly's been detained by the Russians on the way to the same destination Clem and the party are headed, but do they still have a clear plan as to where they're going and are there really that few routes to get there that they'd all pass through the same area?
Whether you abandon her after she betrays you (in which case she's seen by all the walkers), or whether you take her along in which case she will betray you again (in which case she gets away with the RV), her death is not confirmed. At all.
If she abandons you, then... Well of course she'd have the RV.
If you abandon her, then I suppose it is completely possible that Lily caught up to the section of railroad where the group found the train and took the abandoned RV from there.
I'd say it's more likely that Bonnie was once a bandit because they were both drug addicts.
I wonder if the Russians knew Carver
Why would Lilly be a leader to a bandit group?
Secondly, why would this group of Russians need a leader? They seem pretty capable.
Lilly is definitely alive, although Nikki Rapp has said she hasn't been brought in to the studios to record.
And I think that was only because her father needed it for his heart?
No the one that Larry needed was nitroglycerin pills
Oh okay. So did she actually mention Oxytocin? I don't remember her mentioning a specific drug other than the stuff she needed for her father.
Not necessarily. We didn't see her die but that doesn't mean she didn't die off-screen. I'd imagine they'd leave it open for her to return but if it's been confirmed somewhere that she is still alive (and so is being considered as a returning character) it's not something I've personally seen or heard.
Hahaha this is great! Lily would fit right in with those brutes! Have an upvote.
Russian is not an easy language to learn bro
They only mentioned meds and drugs being stolen, not any in specific. She wasn't a druggy if that's what the OP was wondering.
Yes it does. Lilly WAS planned to show up in the RV in episode 5, regardless of your choice in that episode. So Ethier way, she jacked Kenny's ride.
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Viva, I completely back you up on that. Thats exactly what I'm saying.
I'm brazillian, I have english as a second language and I play The Walking Dead. \o/
In my playthrough, Lee liked her, however it's a shame we had to leave her anyways.
Ben is a fucking piece of sh*t, that's for sure.
well if she returns my Clem will insult her at every moment possible and
also kill her if option is given
god I hated that bitch after what she did to Carley after I tried to save her fucking father
So because shes not Russian that means shes not allowed to be in their group? nah man. Just because shes not Russian it doesn't mean that she cant still be with them.
And Arvo can speak English, so she can still communicate with them.
A forced plot = a bad plot, which sounds like what you people want. I swear, if Lily miraculously shows up in episode 5 or in any other Walking Dead episode, I will never play it again. You people don't know what you're talking about.
I agree with all of this, however.
If this were to actually happen i personally would feel that Lily would NOT go because it's clementine, if the Russians were definite that they were going to ambush her group, why would Lily want to go, as far as im concerned Lily never hated Clem, why would she want to watch her die.
When did it say that Lilly was obsessed with a drug?
then why out use shel's rv they used that rv
she said anything with oxy in it was missing
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No need to be mean now lol.
Lilly couldn't be the leader of the Russian bandits. Her father, Larry, was a retired army commander who probably hated Russians and said, "Damn Commie bastards!" a lot in his youth and raised Lilly to dislike them too.
Wait, aren't Russians caucasian? In fact, I'm pretty sure the Caucasus mountains are in Russia...
I'd like to think Lilly is alive and around but I don't buy her being the leader of the Russians.
And where exactly was her RV seen, by the way? Can I have screenshot or something?
at the trailer park right after jane shows clementine how to kill walkers easy it's in the parking lot next to the pickup truck
Lily did say in season 1 she used to work in aircraft or airplanes so i think its possible that maybe she knows them because she might of been trying to help fix there airplane or something that happened to crash in america. Arvo sister is wounded from the crash and Lily is helping them but thats just theory
yeah I know I'm just currently replaying Season 1 and Episode 3 was just so depressing
Yes , Caucasus mountains are in Russia , but caucasians are only a part from Russia`s population. The biggest part of it are Slavic.