No, you are missing the point. Jane is as responsible for her own actions as Luke is for his. She's not a victim. She was complicit in any misconduct Luke was engaged in. If you are trying to make some point, don't use a non-sensical rape analogy.
I never said Luke was not responsible for his actions. I merely said that Jane was responsible for her actions. I don't know how many fucking ways I need to say it before you understand.
You are not understanding at all what my point was. U r upset and blaming jane whom is not responsible which was Luke who was. It was not stupid but of course you would say that to prove your point. Apparently you ar either slow or not reading
I don't know how many dam times I have to either, You ranted on in your first post about jane not doing nothing and it was her felt too, when its clearly not, its Luke whom did not do his job, one simple task he choose to ignore, and caused the death of serah and put the group in the shitty situation they are in.
No, you are missing the point. Jane is as responsible for her own actions as Luke is for his. She's not a victim. She was complicit in any m… moreisconduct Luke was engaged in. If you are trying to make some point, don't use a non-sensical rape analogy.
I never said Luke was not responsible for his actions. I merely said that Jane was responsible for her actions. I don't know how many fucking ways I need to say it before you understand.
And it was Jane who suggested that Luke not do his job, and who assisted him in not doing his job. She is responsible for her complicity. And none of the bad results that happened can be blamed on Luke. It all would have happened, anyway.
I don't know how many dam times I have to either, You ranted on in your first post about jane not doing nothing and it was her felt too, whe… moren its clearly not, its Luke whom did not do his job, one simple task he choose to ignore, and caused the death of serah and put the group in the shitty situation they are in.
No she is not,for all we know she did not know and why should she be tied down to help him with a simple duty or did he even explain that to her, she is not a psyche. Luke could have avoided this with a simple no, everything could have been better if his slip up was postpone
And it was Jane who suggested that Luke not do his job, and who assisted him in not doing his job. She is responsible for her complicity. And none of the bad results that happened can be blamed on Luke. It all would have happened, anyway.
So after being present when he says "I'll check the perimeter" she's supposed to just assume that he's walking around with nothing to do. And because apparently there's nothing worth doing for the either of them, she proposes that they have sex. Yeah, she's absolutely blameless. Should never have been expected to think about the fact that if Luke was with her, no one was checking the perimeter. Hmm, Bonnie and Mike went to the museum, Kenny is with Rebecca, Sarah is useless, Clementine is checking on Kenny and Rebecca, and it's a great idea for her to have sex with Luke with no one available to check the perimeter.
No she is not,for all we know she did not know and why should she be tied down to help him with a simple duty or did he even explain that to… more her, she is not a psyche. Luke could have avoided this with a simple no, everything could have been better if his slip up was postpone
So after being present when he says "I'll check the perimeter" she's supposed to just assume that he's walking around with nothing to do. An… mored because apparently there's nothing worth doing for the either of them, she proposes that they have sex. Yeah, she's absolutely blameless. Should never have been expected to think about the fact that if Luke was with her, no one was checking the perimeter. Hmm, Bonnie and Mike went to the museum, Kenny is with Rebecca, Sarah is useless, Clementine is checking on Kenny and Rebecca, and it's a great idea for her to have sex with Luke with no one available to check the perimeter.
Yes.
So what?
His choice didn't cost the group anything.
Jane was complicit in Luke's neglect because she knew what he was supposed to be doing and she could have helped him or at least could have suggested that he get back to what he was doing instead of suggesting that he continue not doing it, because she was done with what she needed to do.
Nothing could have been avoided, regardless. Nothing happened that wouldn't have happened anyway.
Once again Luke engaged
Ignored [his]duty and responsibility
**His choice **cost the group
Jane had little to do with it for once a… moregain she is not a pyche and plus she did waaay more then Luke
At the end of the day all this could have been avoided with Luke saying No
Yes.
So what?
His choice didn't cost the group anything.
Jane was complicit in Luke's neglect because she knew what he was supposed to be… more doing and she could have helped him or at least could have suggested that he get back to what he was doing instead of suggesting that he continue not doing it, because she was done with what she needed to do.
Nothing could have been avoided, regardless. Nothing happened that wouldn't have happened anyway.
I mean after that. Luke says something about just wanting to forget about everything for a minute, and Kenny quiets down, nods along and goes back to taking care of Lee/Omid Jr/Duck II.
A herd can be spotted from quite a distance, I imagine. Luke's a runner too as seen in EP3, not like zambies would catch up to him.
He could come back, warn them, and then they'd be prepared. Could have barricaded the gift shop appropriately.
Well, anyway, I don't blame him much. It just shows that he's becoming as broken as he says Kenny is,even if he doesn't realize it. Makes him more believable.
"When I look at Kenny now, I see a broken man. Clem, broken people get reckless."
Then he gets called reckless by Kenny himself like a scene later. Lol. It wasn't exactly untrue either, boning Jane at that moment was pretty reckless of him.
Yeah, Kenny was actually decent when Luke started yellling. I thought he'd lose his shit too like usual and start yelling back, but he made a lotta sense.
He was all calm like "Fine, but don't let it happen again, this baby's what's important now."
And what do you mean by letting his girlfriend die?... She was dying anyway, wasn't she?
I mean after that. Luke says something about just wanting to forget about everything for a minute, and Kenny quiets down, nods along and goes back to taking care of Lee/Omid Jr/Duck II.
They both made a mistake. I dont think they deserve the hate they're getting. Or Luke is getting anyway, I dont think I saw anyone blaming Jane eventhough she was a willing participant.
And I think he means that, if you don't cut Sarita's arm, Kenny spends a lot of time with her to say goodbye when he could've put her out of her misery or try cutting the arm right away. It's a little harsh, I'd say...
Yeah, Kenny was actually decent when Luke started yellling. I thought he'd lose his shit too like usual and start yelling back, but he made … morea lotta sense.
He was all calm like "Fine, but don't let it happen again, this baby's what's important now."
And what do you mean by letting his girlfriend die?... She was dying anyway, wasn't she?
Kenny reacted with his emotional trauma with yelling to clem, Luke reacted by trying to escape everything for a while with jane. If most of us forgive kenny, why shouldn't we forgive luke? They're similar situations when you think about it.
Kenny reacted with his emotional trauma with yelling to clem, Luke reacted by trying to escape everything for a while with jane. If most of us forgive kenny, why shouldn't we forgive luke? They're similar situations when you think about it.
Everyone is missing the bigger picture here, how could Luke possibly be horny after finding out his best friend died, as well as Carlos, Sarita, and possibly Sarah just hours before? Also, the thought of keeping Rebecca safe as she's about to go into labour isn't crossing his mind? Or that everyone is going to be on their way real soon as he's fondling Jane's lady bits? HOW COULD HE POSSIBLY EVEN BE THINKING ABOUT GETTING IT ON AT A TIME LIKE THAT??!! DA FUQ!!
It's not about horniness, or being afraid Bonnie thinks you're gay if you reject sex. It's about forgetting about everything, because everything is so fucked up. He even says this when Kenny confronts him.
Everyone is missing the bigger picture here, how could Luke possibly be horny after finding out his best friend died, as well as Carlos, Sar… moreita, and possibly Sarah just hours before? Also, the thought of keeping Rebecca safe as she's about to go into labour isn't crossing his mind? Or that everyone is going to be on their way real soon as he's fondling Jane's lady bits? HOW COULD HE POSSIBLY EVEN BE THINKING ABOUT GETTING IT ON AT A TIME LIKE THAT??!! DA FUQ!!
Kenny reacted with his emotional trauma with yelling to clem, Luke reacted by trying to escape everything for a while with jane. If most of us forgive kenny, why shouldn't we forgive luke? They're similar situations when you think about it.
It's not about horniness, or being afraid Bonnie thinks you're gay if you reject sex. It's about forgetting about everything, because everything is so fucked up. He even says this when Kenny confronts him.
He deserves love or sex or whatever he wanted-any really anyone old enough to have those kind of (mature) desires does deserve it too. But that situation was just not appropriate. I would have accepted it completely if he did that at Carver's camp (except not where everyone was there to see it), their house (before they had to leave) or just somewhere safe where its not a tense situation. He didn't know Jane at all, he shouldn't be surprised she used him (if that's what it was). I don't hate him for it, I just think he should've made wiser choices.
I agree its strange he was feeling horny when a walker could creep up at any time (same goes for Jane).
the only difference is that Luke refuses to recognize that he's broken too. Least Kenny knows he's a mess.
"Kenny is broken, broken peopl… moree get reckless"
*a few scenes later *
"You're a reckless fuckin' moron, Luke"
"I'M RECKLESS?!? NO U KENNY"
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honestly, someone should get this troll banned. It's not contributing anything to the forum, and is trying to start shit on other threads.
No, you are missing the point. Jane is as responsible for her own actions as Luke is for his. She's not a victim. She was complicit in any misconduct Luke was engaged in. If you are trying to make some point, don't use a non-sensical rape analogy.
I never said Luke was not responsible for his actions. I merely said that Jane was responsible for her actions. I don't know how many fucking ways I need to say it before you understand.
Says the man who spent hours moping, possibly letting his "girlfriend" die out of selfishness, rather than helping people.
This is why I think he and Luke are both bickering idiots.
I don't know how many dam times I have to either, You ranted on in your first post about jane not doing nothing and it was her felt too, when its clearly not, its Luke whom did not do his job, one simple task he choose to ignore, and caused the death of serah and put the group in the shitty situation they are in.
And it was Jane who suggested that Luke not do his job, and who assisted him in not doing his job. She is responsible for her complicity. And none of the bad results that happened can be blamed on Luke. It all would have happened, anyway.
No she is not,for all we know she did not know and why should she be tied down to help him with a simple duty or did he even explain that to her, she is not a psyche. Luke could have avoided this with a simple no, everything could have been better if his slip up was postpone
So after being present when he says "I'll check the perimeter" she's supposed to just assume that he's walking around with nothing to do. And because apparently there's nothing worth doing for the either of them, she proposes that they have sex. Yeah, she's absolutely blameless. Should never have been expected to think about the fact that if Luke was with her, no one was checking the perimeter. Hmm, Bonnie and Mike went to the museum, Kenny is with Rebecca, Sarah is useless, Clementine is checking on Kenny and Rebecca, and it's a great idea for her to have sex with Luke with no one available to check the perimeter.
Once again Luke engaged
Ignored [his]duty and responsibility
**His choice **cost the group
Jane had little to do with it for once again she is not a pyche and plus she did waaay more then Luke
At the end of the day all this could have been avoided with Luke saying No
Yes.
So what?
His choice didn't cost the group anything.
Jane was complicit in Luke's neglect because she knew what he was supposed to be doing and she could have helped him or at least could have suggested that he get back to what he was doing instead of suggesting that he continue not doing it, because she was done with what she needed to do.
Nothing could have been avoided, regardless. Nothing happened that wouldn't have happened anyway.
Bonnie: Bitch! He was mine!
Jane: People ship you and Mike so Luke's mine!
I still disagree
Yeah, but either way, walkers still would have attacked. If he was there, he could have died himself?
I mean after that. Luke says something about just wanting to forget about everything for a minute, and Kenny quiets down, nods along and goes back to taking care of Lee/Omid Jr/Duck II.
A herd can be spotted from quite a distance, I imagine. Luke's a runner too as seen in EP3, not like zambies would catch up to him.
He could come back, warn them, and then they'd be prepared. Could have barricaded the gift shop appropriately.
Well, anyway, I don't blame him much. It just shows that he's becoming as broken as he says Kenny is,even if he doesn't realize it. Makes him more believable.
"When I look at Kenny now, I see a broken man. Clem, broken people get reckless."
Then he gets called reckless by Kenny himself like a scene later. Lol. It wasn't exactly untrue either, boning Jane at that moment was pretty reckless of him.
Yeah, Kenny was actually decent when Luke started yellling. I thought he'd lose his shit too like usual and start yelling back, but he made a lotta sense.
He was all calm like "Fine, but don't let it happen again, this baby's what's important now."
And what do you mean by letting his girlfriend die?... She was dying anyway, wasn't she?
They both made a mistake. I dont think they deserve the hate they're getting. Or Luke is getting anyway, I dont think I saw anyone blaming Jane eventhough she was a willing participant.
Thanks, I had forgotten the dialogue
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And I think he means that, if you don't cut Sarita's arm, Kenny spends a lot of time with her to say goodbye when he could've put her out of her misery or try cutting the arm right away. It's a little harsh, I'd say...
Kenny reacted with his emotional trauma with yelling to clem, Luke reacted by trying to escape everything for a while with jane. If most of us forgive kenny, why shouldn't we forgive luke? They're similar situations when you think about it.
How could masturbation ever get old. Touching other people is relentlessly disgusting, I would never. Ugh.
yea
I never thought of this. It makes a lot of sense.
(No offense comparing you to Skyler XD)
Everyone is missing the bigger picture here, how could Luke possibly be horny after finding out his best friend died, as well as Carlos, Sarita, and possibly Sarah just hours before? Also, the thought of keeping Rebecca safe as she's about to go into labour isn't crossing his mind? Or that everyone is going to be on their way real soon as he's fondling Jane's lady bits? HOW COULD HE POSSIBLY EVEN BE THINKING ABOUT GETTING IT ON AT A TIME LIKE THAT??!! DA FUQ!!
It's not about horniness, or being afraid Bonnie thinks you're gay if you reject sex. It's about forgetting about everything, because everything is so fucked up. He even says this when Kenny confronts him.
the only difference is that Luke refuses to recognize that he's broken too. Least Kenny knows he's a mess.
"Kenny is broken, broken people get reckless"
*a few scenes later *
"You're a reckless fuckin' moron, Luke"
"I'M RECKLESS?!? NO U KENNY"
Death is so arousing.
I can't say you're wrong...
He deserves love or sex or whatever he wanted-any really anyone old enough to have those kind of (mature) desires does deserve it too. But that situation was just not appropriate. I would have accepted it completely if he did that at Carver's camp (except not where everyone was there to see it), their house (before they had to leave) or just somewhere safe where its not a tense situation. He didn't know Jane at all, he shouldn't be surprised she used him (if that's what it was). I don't hate him for it, I just think he should've made wiser choices.
I agree its strange he was feeling horny when a walker could creep up at any time (same goes for Jane).
Kenny actually admitted it, that's the difference.
THERE ARE ZOMBEES ROUND BROOOO