Is it equal?
Myusha
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Luke can have sex with Jane and Kenny can yell at Clem.
Two ways of coping with stress.
Comparing these two, you can argue one about the morals behind these choices, and how they negatively impacted the group.
But they both made these decisions without a clear head. In an Apocalypse I doubt you could have a clear head, even less so when people you love and cherish keep dying around you. I think they should apologize (And both can, although one is determinant on whether you aggravate them or not.)
Eitherway they've both done bad things. I don't see one being worse than the other and being used as leverage/fire against the other. But is it? Wanna hear opinions. ^^
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Am I the only one feeling Kenny yelling at Clementine for chopping off Saritas arm was justified?
Okay, here's my stance on it.
I felt horrible that Kenny went through all that again with Sarita, as I'm sure it brought back memories of Duck and Katjaa. I get it, people say things they don't mean when they're in pain. To a degree, Clementine did make things worse for Sarita when she chopped off her arm. However, an understanding of why they do it is not the same as an excuse. It does not justify pushing the blame of a poorly executed plan on the shoulders of an eleven year old girl who did what she thought would save his girlfriend's life. It doesn't excuse forcing and demanding that Clementine look at a dying, ill Sarita even when she does nothing during the herd.
The pain and anger is justified and valid. Anybody would be feeling those emotions during that time. It doesn't make it right to scream at a little girl though. I hope my explanation makes sense.
In a fucked up apocalypse, where everything is going to hell, saying to a girl that shopped off your girlfriend's arm that she is a "stupid fucking kid" is NOTHING. If I were Kenny I would fucking leave Clementine to zombies. But apparently it seems like there is a big number of sensitive members in here.
But Kenny has most likely bottled up this anger. It's because of Clementine, death occurs. She causes the death of Sarita by chopping off the arm, she can cause the death of both Alvin and Nick. She caused the death of Lee, and can cause the death of Ben. She also causes the death of Chuck.
I mean look how ballistic Kenny went on Ben after finding out what he did to Katjaa and Duck! Clementine is right when she says that people die around her, and Kenny finally felt it in full force. The anger he felt for Ben when Katjaa and Duck died because of him, is the anger he felt for Clementine when Sarita died.
It's horrible, but it's true this baby could make Kenny forgive Clementine. Either way I don't see a problem with it.
Also shortly after the release of 'In Harms Way' a lot of people were somewhat mad that since Clementine is a child protagonist, she doesn't feel like any consequences can be placed on her and be condemned by other people from the group. When this happened, and I saw people complaining I believed this is what everyone wanted. It was a consequence of choice, Clementine did something wrong. We did something wrong, as Pete said: "Sometimes you gotta play a role, even if it means the people you love, hate you for it."
Eh, Kenny chewing Clem out kinda had to be expected. He says some really cruel shit, but the guy just lost a loved one and isn't in a state to put himself in Clem shoes or try to understand why she did it.
Luke just plain old fucked up. It's kinda justified, In that everyone reacts different to losing people, but still...shit timing. Especially when they knew a herd was still in the vicinity.
Sarita was going to die anyway, regardless of what Clem did the moment she got bitten. Clementine didn't cause that. At no point does she cause the death of Alvin. Determinately, it can be because of Kenny that Alvin dies, just like it was when Walter died. Nick dies because of Walter, regardless of what Clementine says to him. He made the choice not to help him. As for Lee and Ben, we can take it a step further back and say that determinately, Lee caused his own death by stealing from the Stranger, and if he didn't take it, then Kenny is responsible for Lee's death. None of that would have happened if the group hadn't stolen from the Stranger in the first place. Also, Molly caused the death of Chuck by ringing those bells. Ben also could have done something but ran off and abandoned Clem. Not so easy to say "it was Clementine who caused it".
The problem with the whole choice is that even if Clementine doesn't do anything to Sarita, Kenny is still being a prick about it. Sure, you can blame it on the writing, but the fact remains Kenny is just being a prick for the sake of it.
He does leave her to the zombies though. He just runs off. Also, you would leave a young girl, or , in fact, anyone not evil, to die because they tried to save your loved one? That's not a good outlook on life.
I don't see her as a normal "young girl", I see her more like a naughty sassy 11 years old kid with a weapon.
No, thanks. I'd rather have my loved one dead than having her without an arm because of a stupid kid.
i knew as soon as i did it that it would probably end badly, doing it right in the middle of a zombie hoard is a bad idea, so it totally felt like my fault (even if she dies anyway) so kenny was justified
When it happened, no. But afterwards I realized yeah I can see why. She died right after it happened. She died later anyways (if you killed the zombie instead) but that's hind sight. For Kenny he may have thought possibly HE could have chopped it off, and thrown her over his shoulder and made a run for it.
He doesn't leave her for the Walkers I don't think. She starts to follow but Walkers cut her off. Kenny probably thought she was following right behind.
Everyone will be like "Oh Clem's my baby how can Kenny yell at her", but he in every way was justified in yelling at Clem. He had lost his son, his wife had committed suicide, and now his girlfriend has just been devoured alive. Clem was the easiest to blame so he did blame her. But he apologized, didn't he? He still cares for her, doesn't he? So yeah, Luke having fun with Jane instead of keep a watch against walkers is much worse than what Kenny did.
Actually I blame Ben's stupid ass for Chuck's death. Seriously how hard is it to grab a little girl's hand and run WTF
Out of anger, he just ran for it. He knew she could handle herself, afterall she still had the walker blood on herself and she mentionned that she had done it with Lee before.
Clementine was kind of pushed to cut her arm off. It was mentionned a few times that cutting your arm or leg after a bite gives you chances of survival. They were in the middle of a god damn mess, in between bullets and dead bodies eating human flesh. There weren't so many options - Clem had to act fast: Leave Sarita to die, kill the walker and let her get infected (so basically, certain death) or attempting to save her by cutting her arm off to try to stop the infection although there were risks that she bleeds to death. Cutting her arm off was the only truly helpful option (although it was also most likely she'd die from bloodloss if she didn't get medical assistance but it was worth trying, 1% chance is better than 0%).Unfortunately the shock broke Sarita, she got bit again and fainted - then died. She didn't bleed out, I assume she had a heartattack due to the shock. Then I guess most of you [axe]d Sarita after she died so Kenny does not get killed himself.
These were hard choices, especially after what happened in the last few days. Also what Carver told her, then seeing Kenny get beaten up (to save Clementine) and seeing Carver himself get beaten to death by Kenny - and as I said, they're in the middle of a battle and people died/disappeared. That must be a lot of stress at once even if you're used to that life.
Kenny yelling at clem? I don't find it 'justified' per say, I forgive him of course. He had his reasons for doing so, but there are reasons he shouldn't of done it.
Luke havng sex with jane? If you want to hit it, hit it. just pick a better time. I mean, dude. You had a lot of opportunities, and you pick NOW? Really?
You're right. Luke is really acting immature sometimes. After he found out Clementine was bitten (by a dog) he just dropped her, I mean come on she isn't a threat as long as she is alive, you may be scared but it could've gone bad if that was Nick instead of Pete for example. I don't remember him defending her much before she got locked in the shed. Then he asked Clementine to go with him to scout around the bridge, he asks her to do the talking with Matthew and kind of pushes her toward him. He shows no sign of life when Carver hits the lodge, he let an injured Nick leave the trailer (He was wounded, tired and overstressed, there is no way he would have survived on his own to find help), he plans to leave the group because Jane would be a strong partner and because he's afraid of Kenny so he obviously does not care about Clementine after all. And for the last fuck up - he leaves his guard post to have fun with Jane without telling anybody which almost gets everybody killed.
Oh and he suggests waiting a few days before leaving that place next to the river - the noise probably attracted walkers somewhere, Arvo knows where the group is (if you told him), the more they wait - the more they starve and the more they're exposed to the cold. He also had to start useless fights with Kenny, trying to justify himself and trying to piss him off when it's really far from the right time to start such bullshit. By the way I think he forced Nick into something pre-ZA and I don't remember him warning Clementine about Carver chasing them (he didn't tell Kenny either)
Luke is a cool guy but he's not so much of a responsible person - not even sure why he's the leader in the first place, Alvin would have probably been a better leader.