Maybe you should calm down before getting defensive about it and throwing insult my way.
I did listen and the argument had solid ground, but in a better situation. At that point everyone was just getting over the fact they had lost the motel and Lilly being lilly decided to make the situation even worse by getting angry and throwing accusations around. There is no excuse for what she did, non at all. She murdered them because she got too paranoid, she's a murderer. There's no justification for that.
because she thought someone in the group was betraying them (ben or carley)
she killed them because she was angry AND SUSPECTED THEY BETR… moreAYED THE GROUP which is what the whole rant in the rv is actually about
maybe u should listen to wat she actually said in her dialogue in the rv instead of makin up reasons to hate her
fuck yeah finally someone sensible!
agree completely the OP is a bit obsessed with Lily
she killed carley in my playthrough and I'm not sure how that can be justified
so she suspected them of betrayal so fucking what? you just kill them?
dumbest move ever she was just hurt that Carley basically gave her the finger and undermined her authority thats it
poor Lily was just hurt well she will be again if we have the option to kill her
She thought it was helping the group? How in all of gods holy destroyed earth did you come to such an assumption?
Giving supplies helps a… more group.
Choping off an infection to save a life is helping a group.
Helping to find safety is helping a group.
Killing someone because they called them a bitch is not helping the group, that's just selfish, that's just inconsiderate.and it's insane.
I'm not just looking into specific actions, but throughout episode 1, 2 and 3 she was very rude and selfish to people. When Lee brought injured people back it wasn't "Let's help them and get them on their way" it was "I want to know why you think bring more mouths to feed was a good idea?" Same in episode 1, you enter the pharmacy she gets frustrated for allowing strangers in. She acted like the group was her own dictatorship and when things didn't go her way or Kenny or Lee oppressed her she got bitchy.
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no idea why you always bring Lee up sure he killed the senator but it was an accident
(or so he said in my playthrough) he didn't do it on… more purpose and he was the protagonist and Clems guardian
not even a justified comparison he was an awesome character don't even try to put him in the same
league as Lily
Lily just took her gun out and shot Carley
not sure how that wasn't on purpose she even shot her in the head
fucking bitch no idea how people can forgive her
sure if you didn't like Carley I understand but she was one of my favourite characters
and when Lily killed her that was way too much don't care about the reasons
hopefully you understand stop with your lily obession
dude some people like me just don't like her whats it to you?
You already made your points numerous times but we won't change our opinion thats it
and there are reasons to hate her you with your Lily fanboyism don't understand them and thats ok
hopefully you will understand once I shoot her or leave her to die !
because she thought someone in the group was betraying them (ben or carley)
she killed them because she was angry AND SUSPECTED THEY BETR… moreAYED THE GROUP which is what the whole rant in the rv is actually about
maybe u should listen to wat she actually said in her dialogue in the rv instead of makin up reasons to hate her
BenSawyer the difference is we don't care for the senator. Would you not be mad if someone killed your mother? Because your uncle had killed some random person?
Do you think Lilly didn't hurt the group by acctually offing someone in it? She gave in to her rage and let the group suffer. Understandable maybe, unforgivable nonetheless.
ys BUT imagine if we had killed lee after he murdered someone
all lee did happened AFTER he killed someone, therefore lilly can still red… moreeem herselrf
u dont think being traumatised and bullied and left to die is a very good reason for going crazy?
ur out of your mind, i bet u were okay with ken punching lee after losing katjaa or him being horrible to clem after she killed sarita
u just dont olike lilly and r looking for excuses to hate on her instead of making valid points against her character (which are there, you're just giving stupid reasons)
I always felt bad for her, even though I helped Kenny kill Larry and was fond of Carley. But it's important to remember that even Lee, however kind and forgiving and self-sacrificing as you may play him, lost his temper and murdered a man just for having sex with his wife. I don't regret leaving her behind, but if she ever turned out to be genuinely remorseful and sought to make things better for Clementine, I'd forgive her.
It'd be hilarious(ly dumb) if Kenny and Lilly fell in love with each other.
she wanted to get away from the group
you kno0w the people who tried to abandon her to the bandits after she tried to save them (kenny dr… moreove away without her)
she thinks they all hate her and she couldn't take that pressure
not to mention, as she was originally in the comics, she HAD to leave at some point unlike kenny so the stiory necessitated it and shouldn't necessaraly be taken as a point against her
Yes, I felt really sorry for her, especially because she just saved the whole group in the motor inn and that f***** who killed her dad wanted to kill her too... He should go back for her but no, "let's just leave that bitch". He didn't realize she saved them all! Katjaa, Duck and the rest. She was the real leader, she knew who was responsible for all that but she lost something and no one was listening to her... I can imagine her being a leader of some really big group now because she was much stronger and more clever than Kenny.
her reason for stealing wasn't 'oh i wnt them all to die' it was 'oh i hav to get away frm these people who hate me'
she regrets what she… more did by shooting by that doesnt stop the group hating her thewrefore she fled
i dont see how her running away shows that she doesnt feel bad about what she did it just shows she doesnt want to be in the group and thinks they all hate her
especially after kenny left her to die
ALSO can i just say this: her face was shock, u can't really fake that in the sense that it was:
look at her face after it, that is genuine emotion, she isn't trying to trick them into thinkin she felt bad for it thts absurd peoples brains dont work like tht when they do something so grim and unlike them
sayin 'lilly was faking her look of shock' is like saying 'lee was faking his look of shock wen lilly did it cause he knew she would do it all along an he wanted the group not to know this so thy dont hate him'
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Lilly stealing the RV had no big effect on the group, the RV was useless as Kenny said it would break down past 30 miles. Besides, they DID get the train to work. Lilly had good reasons to leave, she thought Lee and/or Kenny would kill her, she was afraid for her life what they would do. So her leaving was the best bet for her, even if Lee kept her, it basically means she's dead if you don't cut her loose.
On the option of Lee taking Clementine with him and going with Lilly, Lilly left Lee probably due to fear that Lee left the RV to go tell Kenny and the group that she was escaping, and she had good reason too if she didn't trust Lee throughout the season. She was never looking out for herself, she was afraid for her own life.
I have to disagree.
If you let her stay, she runs off with the Rv, leaving everyone to die.
Even if you have Lee say he and Clementine wil… morel come with her, she leaves them both, as soon as Lee exits the trailer.
Thus showing herself to be dishonest, as she said she would wait for Lee to get clemintine, and that she was only looking after herself.
So that's why I have a hard time believing her show of remorse, immediately after shooting Carly, was truly genuine.
I honestly feel it was just an act.
because she thought someone in the group was betraying them (ben or carley)
she killed them because she was angry AND SUSPECTED THEY BETR… moreAYED THE GROUP which is what the whole rant in the rv is actually about
maybe u should listen to wat she actually said in her dialogue in the rv instead of makin up reasons to hate her
Here's some of Kenny being an overall much better person than Lilly, clearly feeling sorry for letting another person die for disagreeing with him [she's the only one who makes rash decisions out of anger after all]
Kenny is willing to let you die if you don't side with him, while Lilly saves both you and Kenny at the motor in from the bandits, even if you kill her dad. Both of them are flawed, but for some reason people gang up on Lilly a lot more.
Here's some of Kenny being an overall much better person than Lilly, clearly feeling sorry for letting another person die for disagreeing wi… moreth him [she's the only one who makes rash decisions out of anger after all]
Kenny is willing to let you die if you don't side with him, while Lilly saves both you and Kenny at the motor in from the bandits, even if you kill her dad. Both of them are flawed, but for some reason people gang up on Lilly a lot more.
Everyone knows the Carley scenario, lol. She looks mad when she pulls the trigger, but she still looks devastated after Lee snaps her out of her anger. It was a rash action. If she had any intent of killing the group before, she could have just left them to die when she snuck out of the motor inn to get the first shot at the bandits holding them hostage.
Anyway, you're not seeing the point, what makes Lilly so much worse than everyone else?
Yes, I felt really sorry for her, especially because she just saved the whole group in the motor inn and that f***** who killed her dad want… moreed to kill her too... He should go back for her but no, "let's just leave that bitch". He didn't realize she saved them all! Katjaa, Duck and the rest. She was the real leader, she knew who was responsible for all that but she lost something and no one was listening to her... I can imagine her being a leader of some really big group now because she was much stronger and more clever than Kenny.
I really liked her as a character, and empathized with her. But when she shot Carly it was the final straw. There was no coming back for that, especially since my Lee was gonna hit that
I admit I hold a dark grudge against her for what she's done, her actions in episode 3 just piled up and the shooting was the final straw for many people. But if we did see her again, I don't know. I've spent so much time hoping that she'd died out on that road, that walker got her and bit her, not letting her have the satisfaction of not having to come back as one of them.
But now...I don't know, if she's changed, if she's suffered the guilt for the past year then maybe I can ease up on her, but if she's the same Lilly I doubt we'd see much in common.
Everyone knows the Carley scenario, lol. She looks mad when she pulls the trigger, but she still looks devastated after Lee snaps her out of… more her anger. It was a rash action. If she had any intent of killing the group before, she could have just left them to die when she snuck out of the motor inn to get the first shot at the bandits holding them hostage.
Anyway, you're not seeing the point, what makes Lilly so much worse than everyone else?
Lilly was going to shoot someone because they didn't confess, at first she probably would have just left the person who was stealing, but as I said no one confessed. Also she had reached her snapping point: Losing her dad, Everyone hating on her, The person who was stealing and The bandits forcing them to leave the rest of their supplies such as the food from the stranger and their medicine. I'm not a fan of Lilly, but I'm listing what caused Carley/Doug's death and Her Breakdown. (Ben) I wonder how this would come into play with Kenny now....
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I admit I hold a dark grudge against her for what she's done, her actions in episode 3 just piled up and the shooting was the final … morestraw for many people. But if we did see her again, I don't know. I've spent so much time hoping that she'd died out on that road, that walker got her and bit her, not letting her have the satisfaction of not having to come back as one of them.
But now...I don't know, if she's changed, if she's suffered the guilt for the past year then maybe I can ease up on her, but if she's the same Lilly I doubt we'd see much in common.
I think as of now, both have done things neither are proud off, Kenny was a dick on various occasions on Season 1, and Lilly murdered carley and doug in cold blood. Both have guilts to live with, but I think in some way or form they can look past it now. It still doesn't excuse the act of murder she did as well as well as the other stuff Kenny.
Not a single bit. I never hated Lilly because I know her intentions were survival and to protect her father as much as he tried to protect her.
But, when Larry tried to kill Lee in the drug store, that immediately put Larry on my hit list.. I realize if my Lee were to simply shoot Larry, I may also have to shoot Lilly as she would more than likely be upset with that.
The way the game plays out, I was always concerned about what Lilly may do after Kenny and I killed Larry in the meat locker, so when Lilly shot Doug, I abandoned Lilly on the road for two reasons. Protection from possible retaliation and because she was too unstable putting any of us including Clem at risk.
Now, if Lilly is somehow the leader of Wellington in EP5 or Season 3, It may not be a very big deal unless Kenny survived the shootout with the Russian's. Kenny is the only one left that Lilly would have an issue with. I'm fairly certain Lilly wouldnt have any grudge against Clem.
Of course this is all speculation and may not mean a thing if Lilly is never seen again, but if she does, It's fine with my Clem and may even be better to have someone she know's.
I could imagine if Lee were still alive, walking into Wellington with Kenny and Clem, Lilly would give the command to shoot Lee and Kenny on sight so really in a way, if this is what happen's, it would be better for Clem if Kenny dies at the shootout with the Russian's.
I always felt bad for her, even though I helped Kenny kill Larry and was fond of Carley. But it's important to remember that even Lee, howe… morever kind and forgiving and self-sacrificing as you may play him, lost his temper and murdered a man just for having sex with his wife. I don't regret leaving her behind, but if she ever turned out to be genuinely remorseful and sought to make things better for Clementine, I'd forgive her.
It'd be hilarious(ly dumb) if Kenny and Lilly fell in love with each other.
Well she didn't mean to shoot Doug so it's excusable (kind of) but even still, as a side note, Lilly just got unhinged. Are we really going to pretend Kenny didn't become unhinged in S2E3 or S2E4??
Well she didn't mean to shoot Doug so it's excusable (kind of) but even still, as a side note, Lilly just got unhinged. Are we really going to pretend Kenny didn't become unhinged in S2E3 or S2E4??
Blimey I was considering how long it would be till BenSawyers obnoxious attitude and poor grammar would end up getting him a ban, have to say it occurred quicker than I expected.
Blimey I was considering how long it would be till BenSawyers obnoxious attitude and poor grammar would end up getting him a ban, have to say it occurred quicker than I expected.
Lilly was right about Ben, but that doesn't give her the right to end someone's life. In the ZAU , the population of humans decrease and some of the main reasons are lack of trust or faith in others. Yes, Ben did endanger the group, but which character hasn't? Each character can only do what they think is right, don't expect to find rewards for your choices, only consequences no matter how insignificant they may be.
Honestly, after somebody saltlicking larry, calling her a crazy ass hoe, AND trying to leave her to die when being attacked, she would be pretty pissed, that doesn't make ti right, but you can't really justify the things everyone did to her too.
I don't agree because she shot Carley for no reason If she was angry she could just punch her in the face... But no... She has to kill her in cold blood.
Basically everything Lilly did was something Kenny did. Plus Kenny left Clementine in the herd of zombies AND screamed at her, blaming her for his girlfriends death even though she was trying to save Sarita. Kenny is a hypocrite crazy guy who I used to like but I disliked him in episode 4. I liked Lilly and agreed with her everytime. I mean look at season 1, Kennys robbery caused Lee and Bens death... LEE DIES BECAUSE OF HIM<
I understand your reasoning.
However, the idea of hurting others is repugnant to me.
Even though it's just a videogame, I'm still not cool with the idea.
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Maybe you should calm down before getting defensive about it and throwing insult my way.
I did listen and the argument had solid ground, but in a better situation. At that point everyone was just getting over the fact they had lost the motel and Lilly being lilly decided to make the situation even worse by getting angry and throwing accusations around. There is no excuse for what she did, non at all. She murdered them because she got too paranoid, she's a murderer. There's no justification for that.
fuck yeah finally someone sensible!
agree completely the OP is a bit obsessed with Lily
she killed carley in my playthrough and I'm not sure how that can be justified
so she suspected them of betrayal so fucking what? you just kill them?
dumbest move ever she was just hurt that Carley basically gave her the finger and undermined her authority thats it
poor Lily was just hurt well she will be again if we have the option to kill her
I wonder if people will forget what Lilly did next time she snaps.
dude some people like me just don't like her whats it to you?
You already made your points numerous times but we won't change our opinion thats it
and there are reasons to hate her you with your Lily fanboyism don't understand them and thats ok
hopefully you will understand once I shoot her or leave her to die !
BenSawyer the difference is we don't care for the senator. Would you not be mad if someone killed your mother? Because your uncle had killed some random person?
Do you think Lilly didn't hurt the group by acctually offing someone in it? She gave in to her rage and let the group suffer. Understandable maybe, unforgivable nonetheless.
I always felt bad for her, even though I helped Kenny kill Larry and was fond of Carley. But it's important to remember that even Lee, however kind and forgiving and self-sacrificing as you may play him, lost his temper and murdered a man just for having sex with his wife. I don't regret leaving her behind, but if she ever turned out to be genuinely remorseful and sought to make things better for Clementine, I'd forgive her.
It'd be hilarious(ly dumb) if Kenny and Lilly fell in love with each other.
I don't care what reasons she had to steal from Lee.
Game Over
Yes, I felt really sorry for her, especially because she just saved the whole group in the motor inn and that f***** who killed her dad wanted to kill her too... He should go back for her but no, "let's just leave that bitch". He didn't realize she saved them all! Katjaa, Duck and the rest. She was the real leader, she knew who was responsible for all that but she lost something and no one was listening to her... I can imagine her being a leader of some really big group now because she was much stronger and more clever than Kenny.
That was not a look of shock. That was a look of "I'm glad you're dead".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVRCnDUYv4M
1:54 ur welcome
if she really always wanted to kil ben she'd do it immediately after shooting doug
Faces of an emotionless killer with no regrets
Is that the Carley or Doug scenario? I can't tell.
Doug scenario
Lilly stealing the RV had no big effect on the group, the RV was useless as Kenny said it would break down past 30 miles. Besides, they DID get the train to work. Lilly had good reasons to leave, she thought Lee and/or Kenny would kill her, she was afraid for her life what they would do. So her leaving was the best bet for her, even if Lee kept her, it basically means she's dead if you don't cut her loose.
On the option of Lee taking Clementine with him and going with Lilly, Lilly left Lee probably due to fear that Lee left the RV to go tell Kenny and the group that she was escaping, and she had good reason too if she didn't trust Lee throughout the season. She was never looking out for herself, she was afraid for her own life.
How about posting the Carley scenario too?
Key word SUSPECT maybe you should not think that just because people hate lily they didn't hear what she said
Here's some of Kenny being an overall much better person than Lilly, clearly feeling sorry for letting another person die for disagreeing with him [she's the only one who makes rash decisions out of anger after all]
Kenny is willing to let you die if you don't side with him, while Lilly saves both you and Kenny at the motor in from the bandits, even if you kill her dad. Both of them are flawed, but for some reason people gang up on Lilly a lot more.
Yeah because I obviously care about kenny? Post the Carley scenario
Everyone knows the Carley scenario, lol. She looks mad when she pulls the trigger, but she still looks devastated after Lee snaps her out of her anger. It was a rash action. If she had any intent of killing the group before, she could have just left them to die when she snuck out of the motor inn to get the first shot at the bandits holding them hostage.
Anyway, you're not seeing the point, what makes Lilly so much worse than everyone else?
Funny you should say Lilly is tougher than Kenny, that seems to be the voice actor's opinion as well!
I really do hope those two characters get along now.
I really liked her as a character, and empathized with her. But when she shot Carly it was the final straw. There was no coming back for that, especially since my Lee was gonna hit that
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I admit I hold a dark grudge against her for what she's done, her actions in episode 3 just piled up and the shooting was the final straw for many people. But if we did see her again, I don't know. I've spent so much time hoping that she'd died out on that road, that walker got her and bit her, not letting her have the satisfaction of not having to come back as one of them.
But now...I don't know, if she's changed, if she's suffered the guilt for the past year then maybe I can ease up on her, but if she's the same Lilly I doubt we'd see much in common.
Lilly was going to shoot someone because they didn't confess, at first she probably would have just left the person who was stealing, but as I said no one confessed. Also she had reached her snapping point: Losing her dad, Everyone hating on her, The person who was stealing and The bandits forcing them to leave the rest of their supplies such as the food from the stranger and their medicine. I'm not a fan of Lilly, but I'm listing what caused Carley/Doug's death and Her Breakdown. (Ben) I wonder how this would come into play with Kenny now....
That's the most reasonable point I've seen on this thread so far. *slow claps *
You deserve a boat!
I think as of now, both have done things neither are proud off, Kenny was a dick on various occasions on Season 1, and Lilly murdered carley and doug in cold blood. Both have guilts to live with, but I think in some way or form they can look past it now. It still doesn't excuse the act of murder she did as well as well as the other stuff Kenny.
Not a single bit. I never hated Lilly because I know her intentions were survival and to protect her father as much as he tried to protect her.
But, when Larry tried to kill Lee in the drug store, that immediately put Larry on my hit list.. I realize if my Lee were to simply shoot Larry, I may also have to shoot Lilly as she would more than likely be upset with that.
The way the game plays out, I was always concerned about what Lilly may do after Kenny and I killed Larry in the meat locker, so when Lilly shot Doug, I abandoned Lilly on the road for two reasons. Protection from possible retaliation and because she was too unstable putting any of us including Clem at risk.
Now, if Lilly is somehow the leader of Wellington in EP5 or Season 3, It may not be a very big deal unless Kenny survived the shootout with the Russian's. Kenny is the only one left that Lilly would have an issue with. I'm fairly certain Lilly wouldnt have any grudge against Clem.
Of course this is all speculation and may not mean a thing if Lilly is never seen again, but if she does, It's fine with my Clem and may even be better to have someone she know's.
I could imagine if Lee were still alive, walking into Wellington with Kenny and Clem, Lilly would give the command to shoot Lee and Kenny on sight so really in a way, if this is what happen's, it would be better for Clem if Kenny dies at the shootout with the Russian's.
You don't mow another man's lawn.
REALY!?
Kenny: Lee you always standed my back when it mattert
Me saving Larry
Then agree with him later with some other things and still you get that
Well she didn't mean to shoot Doug so it's excusable (kind of) but even still, as a side note, Lilly just got unhinged. Are we really going to pretend Kenny didn't become unhinged in S2E3 or S2E4??
Did you mean to reply to BenSawyer's comment? Lol
No, sorry, I just kind of rambled on, most of the comment wasn't necessary xD
Yeah that's fine, we all ramble sometimes XD
I just want people to remember Doug in these scenarios.
Blimey I was considering how long it would be till BenSawyers obnoxious attitude and poor grammar would end up getting him a ban, have to say it occurred quicker than I expected.
Is that even a reason to get banned?
Yeah, most likely. We should stop talking about him so we don't get in trouble now.
Probably not, but those are contributing factors to an action he must have done which cause him to be banned.
Lilly was right about Ben, but that doesn't give her the right to end someone's life. In the ZAU , the population of humans decrease and some of the main reasons are lack of trust or faith in others. Yes, Ben did endanger the group, but which character hasn't? Each character can only do what they think is right, don't expect to find rewards for your choices, only consequences no matter how insignificant they may be.
Honestly, after somebody saltlicking larry, calling her a crazy ass hoe, AND trying to leave her to die when being attacked, she would be pretty pissed, that doesn't make ti right, but you can't really justify the things everyone did to her too.
Basically everything Lilly did was something Kenny did. Plus Kenny left Clementine in the herd of zombies AND screamed at her, blaming her for his girlfriends death even though she was trying to save Sarita. Kenny is a hypocrite crazy guy who I used to like but I disliked him in episode 4. I liked Lilly and agreed with her everytime. I mean look at season 1, Kennys robbery caused Lee and Bens death... LEE DIES BECAUSE OF HIM
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As lee says. Sometimes its kill or be killed.