Nicks Death Wasn't Bad
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Look so there's been a lot of complaining about how Telltale handled Nicks determinant status, and to an extent I do agree, I feel it was sloppy to give him a handful lines in episode three and only a grunt in episode four. however his death wasn't that bad, no it may not have been a heroes death but it was a Nick death, he died like himself. let me explain, Throughout season two we have seen many different sides of Nick. Here's a list of some things we learned about him
- He has insecurities about his manliness, he wants to be seen as tough and hard in front of others
- He feels guilty for the deaths of many people
- He sees Luke as a role model
- He takes stupid risks
Now keeping these things in mind lets evaluate what happened after escaping Howe's Hardware.Carlos died causing Sarah to freak out and run through the herd. after seeing this Luke and Nick head after her. they see her run to a trailer and they catch up to her there. Once inside they realize that the trailer is surrounded by walkers trying to get in. As they know, it is unlikely that the group will find them there so if they don't get help soon, it might be the end for all of them. Nick sees an opportunity here to save Luke and Sarah and be seen as a hero just like Luke, make up for the deaths he feels responsible for by saving other lives as well as to look brave by risking his life for the two. So Nick makes a run for it to look for the others but gets caught up in the fence and bitten by a walker, stuck there, later to be found by Clem and Jane. No this was not a heroic death, but it was a death that happened while trying to be heroic, however doing it in a very stupid risky way. which is just like Nick.
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You're right it wasn't bad, it was absolutely awful.
Not as bad as Dale's in the show.
Being killed offscreen when I told Pete I would watch Nick's back, and continually encouraged him and supported him was just a punch to the gut. There wasn't an inkling of redemption to be had for Nick, no making things right before his demise. It just hit me as wasted potential all around.
So looking for help is 'stupid?'
So I've been thinking and I think they could have made Nick's death more tragic if he had simply gotten bitten instead of shot. Then it would be that he tried to do noble thing and get help for Sarah and Luke, despite already being under a death sentence. Luke's muted reaction when Clem tells him would make more sense as well since he would have already understood that Nick was "dead" by that point.
Yeah, and people weren't happy about Chuck's death either
People need to remember the same "off screen" death thing happened to Chuck in s1. But the thing that really bothers people I think was that he was given barely any screen time after his determined status.
Except before you find Chuck dead the last thing you see him do is being a hero and protecting the group, as for Nick...he did nothing. Which really is a shame, his character had so much potential.
And for some of the same reasons that people aren't happy about Nick and Sarah's deaths. The lack of a reaction or even really acknowledgement of it from the other characters. Chuck died saving Clem and she never so much as mentioned his name in the episode.
no, but running through a herd alone, unarmed, is
No offense to Chuck, here, but Nick was a far larger character than him.
Haha that's true.
I kinda agree, if i save a character that means he's gotta have redemption? Hell, no.I t could've been handled a lot better i'm not saying it's a good death scene.
...and when i say a lot, i mean A LOT.
and bleeding.
I can only imagine after Lee gets back from the sewers and Clem finds the boat, a time skip happens when Kenny is examining the boat and some where along the line Lee says to the group "by the way guys Chuck is dead". What a crappy thing to say after finding some hope.
...Excuse me, son?
How was Nick a larger character than Chuck? Chuck was the one who told Lee to teach Clem how to shoot and cut her hair. Like...the main contributions to Clem's survival that people attribute to Lee. Nick's role was pretty much just to cause tension in the group and didn't really have that significant an impact on the overall plot. I mean he shot Matthew, but that didn't really end up mattering that much.
I think Skoothz just meant that Nick got far more focus and character development than Chuck, no offense to the great homeless guru.
Yeah, but Chuck died for something: to save Clementine. And it makes sense for his character, seeing as he said that seeing another little girl get eaten might destroy his will to live.
Screen-time wise? Episode 2 revolves quite heavily around Nick.
The reason why Chuck's death is not bad like Nick's death is because Chuck hasn't been around since the beginning of the season. Chuck shows up towards the end of Episode 3, and is gone within 20 minutes of Episode 4.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Chuck, and I think he's an awesome character. But we haven't been following him or his personal struggles for the last 3 episodes like we have with Nick. Chuck's story ending when it did was fine, because he had served his purpose in the story. He told Lee to make a plan with Clem, and even came up with the idea to cut her hair. He also died while protecting the group.
Nick's story ending when it did was premature, because he didn't have any form of redemption, or even any usefulness after Episode 2. He didn't protect the group, he didn't atone for his mistakes. He just stayed in the background until he disappeared, and then turned up as a walker 10 minutes later.
Yeah you're right. It wasn't even bad, it was disgustingly terrible. HORRIBLE.
But that one was kind of justified, since Dale's actor wanted to get out of the show. We don't know if Nick's was like that or not though.
I didn't expect Nick's death to be necessarily heroic. But I did expect that it would mean something. Instead, he dies off screen unexplained, and afterwards no one even gives a crap. It was extremely anticlimatic and unsatisfying.
We don't need to have a heroic death in order for it to count as good writing. Remember Carley and Doug? What about Katjaa? And Duck? None of these deaths were heroic, but they were extremely emotional, because the story treated the situation with the proper gravity, purpose, and reaction. Compare that to episode 4, where it's just like "whoa, you're dead now?.....Why?... Oh well, moving on. It's not like this character meant anything anyway."
Ah. Well then, yes, that's true. Chuck was introduced smack dab in the middle of Kenny's greatest crisis and, unlike Nick, he didn't really have any of his own baggage that the group had to deal with. So yeah, he didn't really receive that much focus. But he's such an important figure in Clem's development...
Nicks death wasn't bad? OMG it waz like TERRIBLE! I saw we boycott Telltale until they rewrite Episode 4. Just the thought of how bad they wrote this season makes me want to throw up.
Aren't you the guy who posted a thread "complaint about complainers complaining" ?
Aren't you the guy that can't understand the most obvious form of sarcasm?
But Chuck's last scene was protecting Clem, fighting the zombies off so the group could escape. That's pretty good scene if you're gonna give him an off screen death.
Written sarcasm is not the best sarcasm.
Actually it is. Its even funnier when someone does catch on quick enough.
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No it's not...well, to me anyways.
I don't really know if DeMunn wanted out or not, but regardless, if they did care about the writing quality of the show, it would been done in a way that makes more sense. No matter how many times I watch Season 2, I will always hate the fact that the walker (that Carl could've killed by the way) somehow snuck up on Dale in a large upon field without making any noise, and he noticed it only when it was too late.
But about Brian Bremmer (the voice of Nick)? I seriously doubt he was in the same position as DeMunn, because the I don't think the Telltale Staff did anything to try to save money and make more money at the same time.
The amount of thought and effort that you put into something is shown once it's completed. Even though it sucks that he died, I can't say that Nick's death was bad...at all.
He went out looking for help with a bleeding shoulder, got caught in the fence and got bit a walker that was probably drawn to the fresh smell of his blood. And he's known to fuck up more than once anyways, so yeah I can believe that someone like him can inadvertently put himself in a bad situation like this.
And keep in mind that this isn't me trying to justify his death. This is just how I pieced everything together based on his character development.
off screen deaths suck, chuck's death was different in that it was a surprise he died off screen, because he basically died in front of us saving clementine, but in a surprise twist he actually managed to live a bit longer, which gave him added badass points.
it would have been cool if nick survived until clementine and jane met up with luke and sarah, but then had gone out into the hoard of zombies at the trailer park just to give the group more time to escape because he knew he was dead.
Yeah it was a kinda crappy death, but still you have to understand that not everyone is gonna die a hero, or is going to die with doing some impact. The story is trying to be somewhat realistic, cuz lets be honest, how many people would die by some stupid shit if it was the real world?? Hell im sure that wouldel be the number one killer if a ZA were real, people doing stupid shit, accidents, or faked executions of plans. But none of you are going understand it a bit or even think about it, so that's it... no more trying to explaining
I found his death to be one of the best of the series, because not everyone needs to die right in front you, or needs to go out like a hero. Nick died off screen and that felt like the most realistic death in the game due to the fact it shows not everyone is savable and that life goes on without you.
I do understand that the writers pissed on him after episode 2, but that's what happen when you give different writers the last guy's episode and an outline of what to do.