_____ WAS Alive, good evidence! (Season 1 Spoilers)
Remember that scene in Season 1 Episode 2 where you have to either help Kenny kill Larry or help Lily try to revive him (in which case Kenny still kills him)?
Well after watching the scene where you help revive him, I can state that he was alive -- he wasn't on the verge of reanimation. Was he on the verge of death? We can't say, but we can say that he was alive.
How? Well skip to the 1:55 mark of this video in particular that shows the scene where you save Larry, and , and pay REALLY close attention to Larry's mouth as Lee does the 4th/5th compression (just before his head becomes the salt block). Unambiguously his lips WILL move.
Now, is this something well-known, because I haven't heard of it in many discussions related to the scene. If this is something overlooked by many, than I guess I can't blame them because it only happens if you try to save him and it is a very tiny moment overshadowed by his head becoming a salt block (and it would be kinda hypocritical of me because I couldn't recognize it myself the first time I did it in my alternate playthrough).
So really, what do you think are the implications to this? Personally, I believe it implies that trying to save Larry was the morally right choice, as only a small detail can tell.
(Sorry if this is a well-known fact, it doesn't seem to be to me).
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Yeah I noticed that one I first played the game, That doesn't matter now......We can't save him
He was Lily's father, but I personally hated him primarily because he tried to kill you.
I wish... Lee's my favorite character...
Jesus, for a second I thought this was a "Lee is Alive" thread again haha.
Whats done is done..
I stand by my decision. The fact that his lips might have moved a tiny bit in the route I didn't choose is not enough for me to risk having the entire group stuck in a meat locker with no weapons and ANY kind of zombie, especially not of a big guy like Larry. It was a terrible choice and there is always doubt about whether he was alive, dead, about to die, whatever but ultimately lee couldn't predict the future and that was way too much of a risk.
Fun fact: If you give him the axe (and saved doug) he will save Lee's life when he is being attacked by the walker.
Could you imagine Larry being alive two years into the apocalypse?
With his uncontrollable temper,and with how stressful the apocalyptic world is, he was eventually going to have a heart attack in another inconvenient place, and medicine for his episodes would get increasingly rarer to come by as time passed.
I don't imagine Larry was going to last much longer even if he made it out of that meatlocker.
I agree with you. Larry had a heart attack -- his heart attack in Episode 1 didn't knock him out, he will still call out Lee if Lee criticizes him while talking to Lily in the drugstore. Even if he wasn't dead, he could still have been approaching death, making him no less a threat.
Good point. I wonder if he went through the 3-month timeskip inbetween eps 1-2 without a heart attack.
Depending on your choices Lee can tell Clem in episode 5 that killing Larry was the right call. And I'm not going to argue with Lee.
lol I didn't know that, I never bothered to save doug
Well, depending on your choices Lee can also tell Clem that even though Larry was going to die for sure, that isn't an excuse to let yourself be "consumed" with violence, so...
The line I'm referring to is "Even though it was probably the right thing to do, I just couldn't do any more violence" (not the exact quote, but close enough.)
Which seems pretty much the same as your quote. So I'm not quite sure why you're arguing.
Ooooooooor it could've been him reanimating into a walker.....
I just meant that Lee doesn't always agree with killing Larry. He may have believed the situation was hopeless for him, but that didn't mean he thought killing him was right.
Fuck, now this is a good reason to fucking choose an ice cream over a pizza.
If Lee believed the situation was hopeless, the only alternative to killing Larry would have been a walker Larry.
So he kind of did agree it was the right choice I think.
I'm sure he wasn't happy about the way it went down though.
I noticed that in my first playthrough and my thoughts were: "WTF Kenny, you just murdered him".
Back in the day when Season 1 was more recent there was much discussion about this and many seemed to think (just like I did) that Larry was alive and Kenny murdered him.
Read all the comments here and you'll see that it's not.
Eh, I interpreted his line that "It's like with Larry, honey. He was going one way or another, but at that moment I couldn't do more violence. You have to be careful about that. It'll consume you..." was meant to teach Clem that the "smart" choice isn't always the "right" choice, since he only tells her this if he asks her to leave him behind instead of shooting him. But I don't know, I guess my point is that Lee knew it was necessary but didn't necessarily agree with it or enjoy it, which is apparently your argument as well, so I'm not even sure what we're discussing :P
Hehe, might be for the best anyway that we agree. It's not like the Meatlocker discussion has been done to death on this forum, or anything.
He wasn't officially dead.... yet.
The heart may have stopped (cardiac arrest) but blood was still flowing to the brain. It was enough for the brain to still send messages to try to keep breathing. It doesn't last very long because the heart isn't pumping.
For Larry, the message was enough to try to take a breath. That's why his mouth moved. And well, Kenny put a stop to it. And people who need CPR typically don't come back. Well shit... maybe I should have backed Kenny. I just logic'd myself into his corner...
And he'll even comment on this in the meat locker before his heart attack.