There's one thing in EP4 that really bothers me..
So as you all probably know, in episode four (amid the ruins) there is a scene where Clem and Jane find Nick as a walker and Clem kills him. What really bothers me is that afterwards, when you find Luke and tell him what happened to Nick, he barely cares that he's dead. They've been good friends for a long time, and when he dies, Luke just says a few curse words and carries on. I was expecting him maybe be a bit depressed - but nope.
I believe it's pretty much the same thing if Nick dies in EP2, but I'm not exactly sure.
What also bothers me is that Nick barely got any lines in episodes three and four. In the first two episodes, he was kind of a main character, but in EP3 he literally has seven lines, and in EP4 he barely has a line at all. Like what the hell? ._.
I kind of ranted here, but I just wanted to speak up about this since it really bothers me.
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This is a talked about thing no one likes, hell Rebecca was crying in Ep 4 over nicks death and Luke only says oh shit and dosnt say anything else...
Yeah, Rebecca seemed more upset than Luke. It's just sad that he doesn't seem to care. His exact reaction to Nick's death was "Fuck, fuck."
And he didn't know Rebecca for a long time compared to how long he knew Luke-Over 20 years...
Yeah, that's the part that really bothered me about the death as well. I guess the explanation might be that he sort of already expected the news because he saw how surrounded they were and Nick was already shot, but still...
I feel like Luke lashing out after Jane leaves isn't just because she's gone, but he's also venting after what happened to Nick and Sarah, too.
I think he just puts on a brave face because he's trying hard to be a good leader and the group can't be led by someone who's breaking down.
Also, he seemed to care more about Jane leaving than Nick's death. Like he barely knew her and she goes away and he cries like a little baby for her .__.
Luke IS pretty hurt by it, but refuses to break down in the trailer because he knows Jane and Clem need his help. His momentary lapse of logic, when he decides to have one moment of relaxation with an attractive woman, is a direct result of him dealing with his losses. Let's not forget that, in addition to his best friend dying, Luke has:
-Ran across an entire state without rest, food or water
-Spent hours desperately trying to save Sarah and feeling useless due to his failure
-Seen the group falling apart and perceives Kenny as the most dangerous potential liability
-The only remaining members of his original 'family' being a pregnant woman and, potentially, a catatonic girl
With all that running through his head, I can understand him finally questioning whether it really is worth it to continually disregard his own feelings for the sake of the 'group.' Having sex with Jane is a selfish and irresponsible thing to do, but it shows that Luke himself has reached his limits.
Rebecca is the only one who seems to have emotions for Nick.
Nick even says Luke is able to just keep moving on sure Luke is Nicks childhood friend but its the Apocalypse you cant sob over someones death it will happen to everyone, However i do agree it should have been a bit more emotional than just Fuck...Fuck...
No, it's actually a very realisitc reaction. A lot of people aren't impacted by a death until much later. He's just in shock/denial.
Like, didn't Nick say that he wish he could carry on like Luke, but he just wasn't built like that? This is an example of that. Luke is used to dealing with loss. He moves on very quickly.
That makes sense.
Well I guess Luke thinks HOES OVER BROS (Just saying Luke cared more about his 1 time fucking buddy, than his best friend of 20 years, If I was a group member I wouldn't be sure if his priorities are straight...)
Yeah, but I was just expecting to at least mention his good friend or something like that.
True, and Clem too. She seemed pretty sad about it
Yeah, I wasn't thinking that he'd have an emotional breakdown, but I thought he'd at least (like you said) say something else than fuck, fuck.
Still he cared more about Jane leaving than Nicks death unless if that was a delayed reaction..
Well, you do have a point there, but he doesn't even seem to care that much from what we see.
Something's definitely off during that moment when he asks Clem about her feelings ("Hey, you okay?") only to brush her off and immediately talk about Jane. He explodes when he finds out she leaves, and I can understand why - having sex with her was the first pleasant experience he'd had in a damn long time, and finding out he apparently meant nothing to her does bother him.
He's much more like Kenny than you'd think. Kenny hides his grief behind his sense of duty, but freaks out when they get lost. The people who Luke was trying to protect die anyway, and he does something selfish to deal with that failure.
I think Luke hides his emotions, because there was a little girl that needed her help, and the reason he didn't cry with Rebecca is because he needed be strong for her, and of course that he thinks he's the leader of the group. And when Jane left he finally starts letting out his emotions, he fights with Kenny more now, expressing his dislike of Kenny.
He was too busy being portrayed as an irresponsible idiot who mostly cares about sex and having preposterous arguments with Kenny. Only his attempt at saving Sarah is worth remembering. Give him credit.
Also, I'm surprised you didn't mention how crestfallen he was over Jane's departure.
For the record, Luke fans. I'm not blaming him. It's the writers' fault. A decent reaction to his best buddy's death would've made a big difference.
For people saying that Luke is able to move on and blah blah blah. I don't think many expected him to cry his eyes out. However, a guy that's basically his brother had just died. "Fuck, fuck..." is okay for someone like Rebecca or Alvin. At least an "I'll miss you, buddy" would've been acceptable.
I totally agree with you. I know he wouldn't cry, but c'mon, at least take a moment to remember him or something?
He breaks down after Jane leaves him. He rants at Kenny and actually shuts him up, and then spends the rest of the episode constantly sniping at Kenny for being 'harsh'.
"Fuck, fuck..." is perfectly reasonable for someone surrounded by zombies. The problem is that we really don't get to see LUKE grieve - Kenny's misery is given the most attention on, followed by Rebecca moaning about how mean she was to Alvin. And we don't even have any indication that Mike or Bonnie were bothered by what had just happened to them.
Exactly. It's one thing to be tough, but being an emotionless broomstick is very different.
Which is funny. He didn't seem that emotionless when Jane left.
What up, Telltale?
Like you said, I think it has something to do with the writers.
Again, we're missing the point.
Are we forgetting Nick was LUKE'S BESTFRIEND?
"Fuck, fuck..." is NOT perfectly fine. Unless Luke is a piece of shit. Which I don't think he is. He's a good guy.
TellTale:You know that Character Nick people like, well fuck him we're giving him an off-screen death at the beginning of the episode... and we'll make sure his best friend dosnt show any emotion...
I don't think so, Valerie.
I know it.
Not everyone breaks down melodramatically. Let's not forget that he, unlike Sarah and Kenny, didn't see Nick die horribly before his eyes and even had some time to presumably deal with the possibility that his friend wasn't going to make it. Nick was shot in the arm and likely bleeding out from that.
If anything, I'd say that it says something good about Luke's character that he has the presence of mind to hold off on his rage until he's not immediately in danger. Unlike Kenny, who tries to murder Ben in the middle of a zombie attack and then screams at Clem when Sarita gets eaten.
Thank god, I thought this would be another Sarah thread :P
I'm waiting until episode 5, maybe Luke's tough exterior will crack and he'll break down.
He already did crack. But I think the shootout will only worsen his stability. Remember that he was the one who yelled out "No!" when the gunfight begins.
I think that who he gets angry at for starting the gunfight will depend on whether Clem or Kenny shot Rebecca. Remember, he probably didn't even realize that Rebecca was dead and seems to believe that Kenny is being 'weird' about her baby. He may very well have thought Rebecca was outright murdered.
Again, you seem to be missing some of the points I made.
It would be pretty stupid of us to expect Luke to break down and "Cease to function".
It's not someone he met last week on a supply run, it's his friend for over 20 years.
Not only was Luke's reaction unrealistic and damaging to his character. Whatever tough guy credibility Telltale was trying to build went out the window in the Jane scene.
I would've been rebecca crying but also a mix of sarah that needed a moment. Hell if I were luke in the trailer, I would've joined Sarah sitting and reevaluating.
Nick was the best character for me in the series, I love him personally and a bummer he died the way he did. I wish he could've survived this season. Then, I would actually reconsider that "choices do matter" and that determinant characters really do live.
Also we kept a promise with pete, we should've atleast had the option to save him or let him die in every episode for Nick haters. same with sarah.
Wait, people hated Nick?
Betrayal is different from death.
Like I said, you won't see him care. It's very likely that he doesn't even fully grasp that his friend is dead yet.
Yeah but remember back in episode 2, if you save Nick instead of Pete he'll talk about Lukes ability to move on quickly, a trait that he wishes he had. Maybe that's why??
I did at first cause he almost shot Clem and was a dick in general, but in episode 3 I really liked him, and his death in episode 4 (for me) was really hard to handle.
If you listen in on the kitchen long enough, Nick actually sees Clem peeking in and then Carlos gives a "You okay?" and then Nick looks down saddened. I'll show you.(Pete also says Nick would have been soft on Clem if he found because he couldn't shoot the buck as a kid)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOvMl2OLDlw
Yeah surprisingly. Nick was my favorite character in the series. I was sad for a week and you could obviously tell i was bothered and hurt by it in my comments few days ago. This series will never be the same without him in it.