2 endings with AJ and Jane (one with the family), 1 ending with AJ and Kenny, 2 endings with Clementine and AJ(one has Kenny temporarily), 80% of those choices (4/5) make us say goodbye to Kenny.
He was glaring at her after she almost froze to death and before Kenny started properly whipping his ass. He wanted her dead. Whether that was by his own hand or by happenstance. His denial at his sister's death means nothing (she was shot in the friggin chest and his "help" would've only made things worse).That does not gain him any sympathy points from me, as that is on his head for repaying Clem's kindness with treachery that got his whole group killed.
I would've loved to have spoken to him to get a better perspective on his motives but that wasn't in the cards (hopefully that bug will get fixed).
I doubt Arvo would've shot Clem if Kenny hadn't horribly abused him to his breaking point, and if Clem had been given the opportunity to exp… morelain to him that his sister had turned. It was obvious with how he was desperately pumping her chest that he was convinced Natasha was alive. He didn't even see her turn because Kenny was holding him hostage, he only saw Clem shoot her in the face and nothing else.
That's not my point. My point being even if you go with Jane, you never have a chance to tell you were right. You never have a chance to side with her like how you side with Kenny.
If it's all supposed to subjective and based on your Clementine, then it should've been like that. Not being heavily sympathetic with Kenny all the way through.
Fuck. In all honesty, I couldn't shoot Kenny. And now I feel terrible. Jane is dead, and I really liked her too! I'm gonna go back and do it differently. Shit. Is Kenny really who we think he is? Another Carver?
That's not my point. My point being even if you go with Jane, you never have a chance to tell you were right. You never have a chance to sid… moree with her like how you side with Kenny.
If it's all supposed to subjective and based on your Clementine, then it should've been like that. Not being heavily sympathetic with Kenny all the way through.
Jane: It was an accident, Kenny..
Kenny: That's NOT TRUE!
Kenny kills Jane and tries to convince Clementine
Clementine: You were … moreright about her.. she was unstable.. always looking out for herself
Clementine shoots Kenny
Jane: I just thought if you saw Kenny like that ... you'd know we have to leave him.
THE FOLLOWING DIALOGUE OPTIONS
I don't understand
I can't believe he's alive
You're fucking crazy..
Silence
Notice how we do NOT get to side with Jane. Notice how we're made to feel bad for Kenny because he was the victim.
This sucks man..
I agree, though in one way, you could look at it as, Clem is not us, Clem is Clem, and maybe she did have a relationship with Kenny, we just never saw it, we're still playing a character in a fictional story. Don't think I'm trying to defend Telltale's mediocre writing with this Kenny and Clem thing, I'm just trying to, I guess, just make Season 2 seem better than it actually was.
That's not my point. My point being even if you go with Jane, you never have a chance to tell you were right. You never have a chance to sid… moree with her like how you side with Kenny.
If it's all supposed to subjective and based on your Clementine, then it should've been like that. Not being heavily sympathetic with Kenny all the way through.
She does not even shed a tear for Jane... The closest we get to Clementine sympathizing with someone else rather than Kenny, is when she shoots him right after Kenny kills Jane.
That end, we see the real Kenny. Someone who did not care about Clementine. Do it, just do it.
Kenny: I know exactly what you are. Nothing. Nobody cares about you, and you care about nobody but yourself. And that makes you nothing.
… moreKeep in mind Kenny said this before Jane bashed her dead family. I see the Kenny favoritism now.
Also, Clementine says they should go back to Howe's Hardware.
Kenny: Oh I get, you're both teaming up on me. She's filling your head with bullshit, Clem
Jane: Let her think for herself.
See. Everytime. Everytime. It's Kenny guilt-tripping you.
She does not even shed a tear for Jane... The closest we get to Clementine sympathizing with someone else rather than Kenny, is when she sho… moreots him right after Kenny kills Jane.
That end, we see the real Kenny. Someone who did not care about Clementine. Do it, just do it.
Kenny will let Clem and AJ go if he's convinced they are better off without him (either at Wellington or if Clem doesn't forgive him). Completely contradicting the over-used idea he was like Carver, who refused to let people go.
Fuck. In all honesty, I couldn't shoot Kenny. And now I feel terrible. Jane is dead, and I really liked her too! I'm gonna go back and do it differently. Shit. Is Kenny really who we think he is? Another Carver?
And Kenny was threatening him with death repeatedly before any of that.
His denial doesn't mean anything? Funny how everyone sympathized with Kenny when he was in denial that Sarita wouldn't turn and condemned her to a horrible, slow demise if you didn't cut her hand off. Besides, he was a desperate kid who had lost everyone he cared about, I understand why he was being irrational to the point that he believed he could've saved Natashi if not for Clem. Same with Lilly; she thought she could've saved her dad if not for Kenny. Same with Kenny; he thought he could've saved Sarita if Clem hadn't cut her arm off.
He was glaring at her after she almost froze to death and before Kenny started properly whipping his ass. He wanted her dead. Whether that … morewas by his own hand or by happenstance. His denial at his sister's death means nothing (she was shot in the friggin chest and his "help" would've only made things worse).That does not gain him any sympathy points from me, as that is on his head for repaying Clem's kindness with treachery that got his whole group killed.
I would've loved to have spoken to him to get a better perspective on his motives but that wasn't in the cards (hopefully that bug will get fixed).
Kenny will let Clem and AJ go if he's convinced they are better off without him (either at Wellington or if Clem doesn't forgive him). Completely contradicting the over-used idea he was like Carver, who refused to let people go.
I agree, though in one way, you could look at it as, Clem is not us, Clem is Clem, and maybe she did have a relationship with Kenny, we just… more never saw it, we're still playing a character in a fictional story. Don't think I'm trying to defend Telltale's mediocre writing with this Kenny and Clem thing, I'm just trying to, I guess, just make Season 2 seem better than it actually was.
I think it'd be more accurate to say that Kenny was like Carver towards anyone who wasn't Clem or AJ. Refusing to consider other people's plans or opinions, believing that his plan and philosophy was right and everyone else was wrong, beating Arvo to death before he even did anything wrong and feeling no remorse at all...
Kenny will let Clem and AJ go if he's convinced they are better off without him (either at Wellington or if Clem doesn't forgive him). Completely contradicting the over-used idea he was like Carver, who refused to let people go.
I guess, I honestly can't stop thinking about that Lee sequence, it made me sad..and homesick for Season 1, like Season 1's glory days were over and now here's Season 2, which is enjoyable, but it's missing something that Season 1 had, despite my enjoyment with episode 5 and a couple of other moments, Season 2 is kind of a let down, even though I don't hate it. I made a thread a a while back that asked the question "Can Season 1 stand on it's own?" I thought it could, though who knows maybe Season 3 might the real sequel to Season 1.
Carver was obsessed with Rebecca purely because she had his baby - and even then, she herself became expendable once she tried to escape again.
Makes me wonder, in the event that she doesn't enter Wellington, what happens if Clem were to be sick and tired of his over-protective behavior and try to leave him...
I think it'd be more accurate to say that Kenny was like Carver towards anyone who wasn't Clem or AJ. Refusing to consider other people's pl… moreans or opinions, believing that his plan and philosophy was right and everyone else was wrong, beating Arvo to death before he even did anything wrong and feeling no remorse at all...
Fuck. In all honesty, I couldn't shoot Kenny. And now I feel terrible. Jane is dead, and I really liked her too! I'm gonna go back and do it differently. Shit. Is Kenny really who we think he is? Another Carver?
Probably gonna get a lot of flak from Kenny fans but I agree with this so much.
Honestly still feel like Kenny should've died back in S1 and the cabin group getting more development time, but that's not Kenny's fault and moreso of Telltale's writers.
I hate that the game didn't ever give you an option to agree with Jane, Mike and Bonnie that Clem shouldn't stick with Kenny. She only gets … moreoptions like "Kenny's fine", or "I can fix Kenny", or a half-hearted "Maybe you're right... maybe you're not". The whole fight at the end, Mike and Bonnie's betrayal, Arvo being abused to the point that he'd shoot Clem, all of that could've been avoided if we weren't forced to stay with Kenny.
Even getting to shoot Kenny was annoying, because Clem always cries over his death, and Kenny was portrayed sympathetically in that scene no matter what. It doesn't matter that he left Lee to die multiple times. It doesn't matter that he abused Arvo when he was harmless. It doesn't matter what you think of Kenny, he's getting a dignified and sombre death no matter what.
To be fair, Kenny practically begs Clem to leave with AJ if you decide to leave him immediately after Jane's death. However, I'm almost certain this was more inconsistent writing intended to shove Kenny sympathy down our throats, seeing as his complete willingness to let Clem and AJ leave was completely out of character. He let them wander off alone with no supplies at all, and didn't seem concerned that they'd starve or freeze to death in the slightest. He didn't put up any kind of fight despite his previous rage whenever Clem didn't agree with him in the past.That ending just doesn't make any sense. Why the hell would Kenny just let Clem and AJ wander off into a blizzard???
Carver was obsessed with Rebecca purely because she had his baby - and even then, she herself became expendable once she tried to escape aga… morein.
Makes me wonder, in the event that she doesn't enter Wellington, what happens if Clem were to be sick and tired of his over-protective behavior and try to leave him...
I think it'd be more accurate to say that Kenny was like Carver towards anyone who wasn't Clem or AJ. Refusing to consider other people's pl… moreans or opinions, believing that his plan and philosophy was right and everyone else was wrong, beating Arvo to death before he even did anything wrong and feeling no remorse at all...
And it was just that. Threats. That were not entirely undeserved. And what does Kenny waiting for Sarita to turn have to do with anything. That's just deflecting. Sarita agreed with the plan once Kenny was up and able to travel. Her death was not his fault. Natasha's death was most definitely on Arvo's shoulders.
Edit: And the Lilly/Larry comparison makes no sense. Natasha turned and came after Clem. She got shot. Completely different from the pre-emptive killing of Larry (which I did not agree with to begin with so you bringing this up is moot).
And Kenny was threatening him with death repeatedly before any of that.
His denial doesn't mean anything? Funny how everyone sympathized … morewith Kenny when he was in denial that Sarita wouldn't turn and condemned her to a horrible, slow demise if you didn't cut her hand off. Besides, he was a desperate kid who had lost everyone he cared about, I understand why he was being irrational to the point that he believed he could've saved Natashi if not for Clem. Same with Lilly; she thought she could've saved her dad if not for Kenny. Same with Kenny; he thought he could've saved Sarita if Clem hadn't cut her arm off.
To be fair, Kenny practically begs Clem to leave with AJ if you decide to leave him immediately after Jane's death. However, I'm almost cert… moreain this was more inconsistent writing intended to shove Kenny sympathy down our throats, seeing as his complete willingness to let Clem and AJ leave was completely out of character. He let them wander off alone with no supplies at all, and didn't seem concerned that they'd starve or freeze to death in the slightest. He didn't put up any kind of fight despite his previous rage whenever Clem didn't agree with him in the past.That ending just doesn't make any sense. Why the hell would Kenny just let Clem and AJ wander off into a blizzard???
Kenny was about to shoot Arvo if not for Mike and Luke shielding him. That's pretty extreme.
And I mentioned Sarita because Kenny, just like Arvo, was in denial that she was turning and killing her was necessary. And Kenny was partly responsible for her death as well. He held the group up by arguing what to do with Carver and killing him slowly even he knew they needed to escape immediately. He didn't stay close to Sarita to look out for her, while Carlos had the sense to keep Sarah and Clem near him, and Sarita and Bonnie had the sense to stay near the kids so they could protect them when walkers started attacking them. Kenny was being an irresponsible idiot by randomly wandering away from Sarita.
And it was just that. Threats. That were not entirely undeserved. And what does Kenny waiting for Sarita to turn have to do with anything. T… morehat's just deflecting. Sarita agreed with the plan once Kenny was up and able to travel. Her death was not his fault. Natasha's death was most definitely on Arvo's shoulders.
Edit: And the Lilly/Larry comparison makes no sense. Natasha turned and came after Clem. She got shot. Completely different from the pre-emptive killing of Larry (which I did not agree with to begin with so you bringing this up is moot).
Jane's far from innocent, especially after pulling that kind of stunt. Even in the event that Kenny did the unexpected and calmed down, how would she ever expect to get either Clem's or his trust once it turned out she had abandoned the baby to 'test' Kenny.
Kenny needed to be put down, regardless, but the trick Jane pulled in order to trigger him made me lose sympathy for her too.
Meh, he did absolutely nothing to stop her from leaving as soon as you choose to leave. I'd say it was just horrible writing. Seriously, why the hell would Kenny ever be okay with letting Clem wander off into a blizzard alone with a baby and no supplies at all??????
As to the rest...seriously? They couldn't leave until they covered themselves with guts and presumably there weren't any walkers near enough for them to do so without being seen ergo why they are all twittling their thumbs outside when Kenny comes out. And the man just lost his eye and is still suffering from a brutal beating; heaven forbid he lose sight of someone in a herd. Someone who's previously shown herself capable of protecting herself when need be.
Kenny was about to shoot Arvo if not for Mike and Luke shielding him. That's pretty extreme.
And I mentioned Sarita because Kenny, just l… moreike Arvo, was in denial that she was turning and killing her was necessary. And Kenny was partly responsible for her death as well. He held the group up by arguing what to do with Carver and killing him slowly even he knew they needed to escape immediately. He didn't stay close to Sarita to look out for her, while Carlos had the sense to keep Sarah and Clem near him, and Sarita and Bonnie had the sense to stay near the kids so they could protect them when walkers started attacking them. Kenny was being an irresponsible idiot by randomly wandering away from Sarita.
Meh, he did absolutely nothing to stop her from leaving as soon as you choose to leave. I'd say it was just horrible writing. Seriously, why… more the hell would Kenny ever be okay with letting Clem wander off into a blizzard alone with a baby and no supplies at all??????
I'm willing to forgive Jane there since she only resorted to something so drastic because according to the writers, apparently nothing short of Kenny snapping and trying to outright murder someone would convince Clem to leave him.
Jane's far from innocent, especially after pulling that kind of stunt. Even in the event that Kenny did the unexpected and calmed down, how… more would she ever expect to get either Clem's or his trust once it turned out she had abandoned the baby to 'test' Kenny.
Kenny needed to be put down, regardless, but the trick Jane pulled in order to trigger him made me lose sympathy for her too.
I think it was always latently there, but the one time we saw it manifest in Season 1 was an innocently ignorant comment towards his friend. Now that he's got brain damage and a lot of pent-up rage, his ugliest traits manifest in a far more extreme manner.
Woah woah woah hold up, i thought people who sided with Jane did it out of "evil is needed to survive" but no you giys LITERALLY believe you are in the moral right?.......what?
You are telling me that you acknowledge that Jane was going to kill Kenny literally for NO reason, infact she essentially faked a scenario just so she could kill him and yet claim KENNY is the psycho?
I'm willing to forgive Jane there since she only resorted to something so drastic because according to the writers, apparently nothing short of Kenny snapping and trying to outright murder someone would convince Clem to leave him.
And the writers couldn't allow that, could they? Even if you choose the "I think you're dangerous Kenny, AJ and I are not safe with you", that prompts Kenny to immediately agree with Clem with no argument. Just to drive home the fact that Kenny only has the kids' well-being in mind, right? Despite the fact that he let the kids wander off alone into the middle of nowhere. Logic!
I was neither agreeing nor disagreeing with Jane's morals in that scene, but it's undeniable if the game had simply given Clem a choice to agree with her earlier, she wouldn't have done something so stupidly drastic. Essentially, the fight was forced, poorly written, and contrived drama for the sake of drama.
In other words, I'm not going to blame Jane for the writers forcing that situation on us.
Woah woah woah hold up, i thought people who sided with Jane did it out of "evil is needed to survive" but no you giys LITERALLY believe you… more are in the moral right?.......what?
You are telling me that you acknowledge that Jane was going to kill Kenny literally for NO reason, infact she essentially faked a scenario just so she could kill him and yet claim KENNY is the psycho?
Sorry, but are you guys actually mentally ill?
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2 endings with AJ and Jane (one with the family), 1 ending with AJ and Kenny, 2 endings with Clementine and AJ(one has Kenny temporarily), 80% of those choices (4/5) make us say goodbye to Kenny.
He was glaring at her after she almost froze to death and before Kenny started properly whipping his ass. He wanted her dead. Whether that was by his own hand or by happenstance. His denial at his sister's death means nothing (she was shot in the friggin chest and his "help" would've only made things worse).That does not gain him any sympathy points from me, as that is on his head for repaying Clem's kindness with treachery that got his whole group killed.
I would've loved to have spoken to him to get a better perspective on his motives but that wasn't in the cards (hopefully that bug will get fixed).
That's not my point. My point being even if you go with Jane, you never have a chance to tell you were right. You never have a chance to side with her like how you side with Kenny.
If it's all supposed to subjective and based on your Clementine, then it should've been like that. Not being heavily sympathetic with Kenny all the way through.
Fuck. In all honesty, I couldn't shoot Kenny. And now I feel terrible. Jane is dead, and I really liked her too! I'm gonna go back and do it differently. Shit. Is Kenny really who we think he is? Another Carver?
"Do what your Clementine would do... Except not sympathize with Kenny. No Clementine is allowed to do that." - Telltale Games
Context man. You can't side with her on something you didn't know about in the first place.
And technically, forgiving her is siding with her decision.
I agree, though in one way, you could look at it as, Clem is not us, Clem is Clem, and maybe she did have a relationship with Kenny, we just never saw it, we're still playing a character in a fictional story. Don't think I'm trying to defend Telltale's mediocre writing with this Kenny and Clem thing, I'm just trying to, I guess, just make Season 2 seem better than it actually was.
She does not even shed a tear for Jane... The closest we get to Clementine sympathizing with someone else rather than Kenny, is when she shoots him right after Kenny kills Jane.
That end, we see the real Kenny. Someone who did not care about Clementine. Do it, just do it.
Kenny cultist tend to ignore that Kenny was at fault for a lot of things and that he had no right to try and murder Jane .
Until he begs for Wellington to let Clem and the baby in.....
Kenny will let Clem and AJ go if he's convinced they are better off without him (either at Wellington or if Clem doesn't forgive him). Completely contradicting the over-used idea he was like Carver, who refused to let people go.
And Kenny was threatening him with death repeatedly before any of that.
His denial doesn't mean anything? Funny how everyone sympathized with Kenny when he was in denial that Sarita wouldn't turn and condemned her to a horrible, slow demise if you didn't cut her hand off. Besides, he was a desperate kid who had lost everyone he cared about, I understand why he was being irrational to the point that he believed he could've saved Natashi if not for Clem. Same with Lilly; she thought she could've saved her dad if not for Kenny. Same with Kenny; he thought he could've saved Sarita if Clem hadn't cut her arm off.
Good point. I didn't shoot him but then I couldn't forgive him and decided to part ways with him. I dunno if that was really the best choice though...
Kenny had no right to bitch at Clem for Sarita.
That actually makes Season 2 worse, because in that case the Kenny/Clem relationship was based on something that the players never saw.
I think it'd be more accurate to say that Kenny was like Carver towards anyone who wasn't Clem or AJ. Refusing to consider other people's plans or opinions, believing that his plan and philosophy was right and everyone else was wrong, beating Arvo to death before he even did anything wrong and feeling no remorse at all...
I guess, I honestly can't stop thinking about that Lee sequence, it made me sad..and homesick for Season 1, like Season 1's glory days were over and now here's Season 2, which is enjoyable, but it's missing something that Season 1 had, despite my enjoyment with episode 5 and a couple of other moments, Season 2 is kind of a let down, even though I don't hate it. I made a thread a a while back that asked the question "Can Season 1 stand on it's own?" I thought it could, though who knows maybe Season 3 might the real sequel to Season 1.
Carver was obsessed with Rebecca purely because she had his baby - and even then, she herself became expendable once she tried to escape again.
Makes me wonder, in the event that she doesn't enter Wellington, what happens if Clem were to be sick and tired of his over-protective behavior and try to leave him...
Yes, Kenny becomes Carver/Lily if you let him kill Jane. Once you kill an innocent life over wrong information and rage you can NEVER go back.
Probably gonna get a lot of flak from Kenny fans but I agree with this so much.
Honestly still feel like Kenny should've died back in S1 and the cabin group getting more development time, but that's not Kenny's fault and moreso of Telltale's writers.
To be fair, Kenny practically begs Clem to leave with AJ if you decide to leave him immediately after Jane's death. However, I'm almost certain this was more inconsistent writing intended to shove Kenny sympathy down our throats, seeing as his complete willingness to let Clem and AJ leave was completely out of character. He let them wander off alone with no supplies at all, and didn't seem concerned that they'd starve or freeze to death in the slightest. He didn't put up any kind of fight despite his previous rage whenever Clem didn't agree with him in the past.That ending just doesn't make any sense. Why the hell would Kenny just let Clem and AJ wander off into a blizzard???
The episode would've been completely different if this had actually occurred.
The episode would've been even more different if Kenny hadn't abused Arvo at all :P
And it was just that. Threats. That were not entirely undeserved. And what does Kenny waiting for Sarita to turn have to do with anything. That's just deflecting. Sarita agreed with the plan once Kenny was up and able to travel. Her death was not his fault. Natasha's death was most definitely on Arvo's shoulders.
Edit: And the Lilly/Larry comparison makes no sense. Natasha turned and came after Clem. She got shot. Completely different from the pre-emptive killing of Larry (which I did not agree with to begin with so you bringing this up is moot).
Could've been him guilt-tripping Clem. That's what a lot of abusers tend to do in order to keep their partners from leaving...
Speculation.
Kenny was about to shoot Arvo if not for Mike and Luke shielding him. That's pretty extreme.
And I mentioned Sarita because Kenny, just like Arvo, was in denial that she was turning and killing her was necessary. And Kenny was partly responsible for her death as well. He held the group up by arguing what to do with Carver and killing him slowly even he knew they needed to escape immediately. He didn't stay close to Sarita to look out for her, while Carlos had the sense to keep Sarah and Clem near him, and Sarita and Bonnie had the sense to stay near the kids so they could protect them when walkers started attacking them. Kenny was being an irresponsible idiot by randomly wandering away from Sarita.
Jane's far from innocent, especially after pulling that kind of stunt. Even in the event that Kenny did the unexpected and calmed down, how would she ever expect to get either Clem's or his trust once it turned out she had abandoned the baby to 'test' Kenny.
Kenny needed to be put down, regardless, but the trick Jane pulled in order to trigger him made me lose sympathy for her too.
Meh, he did absolutely nothing to stop her from leaving as soon as you choose to leave. I'd say it was just horrible writing. Seriously, why the hell would Kenny ever be okay with letting Clem wander off into a blizzard alone with a baby and no supplies at all??????
It's pretty extreme but still just a threat.
As to the rest...seriously? They couldn't leave until they covered themselves with guts and presumably there weren't any walkers near enough for them to do so without being seen ergo why they are all twittling their thumbs outside when Kenny comes out. And the man just lost his eye and is still suffering from a brutal beating; heaven forbid he lose sight of someone in a herd. Someone who's previously shown herself capable of protecting herself when need be.
But whatever floats your boat. Agree to disagree.
Bonnie and Mike wouldn't have left. Clem wouldn't have been shot. Though you're right, it's all speculation at this point.
Because him acting over-protective and forcing her to stay, even if in this case it might have made sense, would have made him seem less sympathetic?
I'm willing to forgive Jane there since she only resorted to something so drastic because according to the writers, apparently nothing short of Kenny snapping and trying to outright murder someone would convince Clem to leave him.
I think it was always latently there, but the one time we saw it manifest in Season 1 was an innocently ignorant comment towards his friend. Now that he's got brain damage and a lot of pent-up rage, his ugliest traits manifest in a far more extreme manner.
His treatment of Arvo certainly made me hate him.
Kennys random racist attitude throughout this episode was so out of place
Woah woah woah hold up, i thought people who sided with Jane did it out of "evil is needed to survive" but no you giys LITERALLY believe you are in the moral right?.......what?
You are telling me that you acknowledge that Jane was going to kill Kenny literally for NO reason, infact she essentially faked a scenario just so she could kill him and yet claim KENNY is the psycho?
Sorry, but are you guys actually mentally ill?
And the writers couldn't allow that, could they? Even if you choose the "I think you're dangerous Kenny, AJ and I are not safe with you", that prompts Kenny to immediately agree with Clem with no argument. Just to drive home the fact that Kenny only has the kids' well-being in mind, right? Despite the fact that he let the kids wander off alone into the middle of nowhere. Logic!
And so Jane, who attempted to kill Kenny, gets a free pass.
Ok, keep telling yourself that
Not really. Saying ignorant politically incorrect things would not be out of character for Kenny. "Urban" and "invalids" anyone?
Whoa, no need to call us mentally ill :P
I was neither agreeing nor disagreeing with Jane's morals in that scene, but it's undeniable if the game had simply given Clem a choice to agree with her earlier, she wouldn't have done something so stupidly drastic. Essentially, the fight was forced, poorly written, and contrived drama for the sake of drama.
In other words, I'm not going to blame Jane for the writers forcing that situation on us.