Jane is just a child forced to be a survivor.
Hello, I am new to this forum, excuse me for my poor english skills.
I was motivated to make this thread by the sheer hate of Jane by the community, treating her like she's the lucifer of characters.The goal of this thread is to shed some light on her personallity and motiovations and to show that she isn't as bad as people might think.Also, I'll try to touch on the topic of why the decision to kill Kenny does have some merit, but of course there are pros/cons to all decisions.
Jane was presumably a teenager at the start of the apocalyspe with little to no social skills.She was forced to take care of a sister who didn't want to survive.She is clearly emotionally scarred and disturbed, but in what ways?Clearly she distances herself from everyone, what we learnt from conversations with her is that she can't stand seeing other people get killed and suffer, knowing she can't do anything to save them, that's the reason she distances herself from everyone and doesn't get involved in emotional relationships.In Clementine, she sees everything that she didn't see in her sister, Clementine is strong and is willing to survive, that's why she developed an overprotective need to keep her safe.
Throught episodes 4 and 5 we've seen her distance herself from the group, however she has NEVER in any way harmed the group, in fact, she helped them survive multiple times.Even if she's socially akward and an emotionally scarred person she has never caused any suffering to the group , in fact, that was her goal, to distance herself in order not to see others get killed, she couldn't handle it.And she would move mountains to not see that happen to Clem.
Let's look at Kenny for a bit.While he ceirtanly has all the right motives for the things he does, a will to protect himself and the ones he loves, hatred, anger and sadness overcame him and made him do some pretty fucked up stuff that harmed the group countless times.He is by all means a badass, but also a badass that is just as much a danger as he is a benefit to the group.He's gone dark places and I think it was his time to go.
We know that both Kenny and Jane did stupid and bad things for reasons that, in their head were noble.Kenny wanted to protect Clementine from the same fate as AJ by disposing of Jane.And Jane wanted to protect Clementine from Kenny by creating this scheme of hers.Was the scheme misguided and a mistake on her part?Absolutely so!Did she want to show Clementine that Kenny is an extremely violent man and was ready to fight him?Absolutely.However, she never meant it to go lethal stages if Kenny was willing to let her and Clementine go as we see in examples where she said/did the following: Sheathed her knife, and later, told Kenny to "Just go".Was this wrong and unfair to Kenny?Yes.Though Kenny is just as unreasonable and she DID prove her point.He attacked her when he found out AJ was "dead" and he even jumped on her when she sheated her knife.
What do we have here?Both Kenny and Jane are genuinely good people who were driven to extreme unreasonable acts because of the fcked up sht that happened to them
The difference I see is that Jane barely more than a misguided kid who wanted to prove her point by doing stupid things while Kenny is supposed to be the adult, the sensible one, but man...Kenny has been trough a lot, some very dark places and it was his time to go.His recent actions have endangered his group many times, and he is filled with such anger and sadness he is ready to take it to the extremes and is a danger to Clementine.I think he was a great character that finally deserves rest.
Those are the reasons that made me shoot Kenny.
While Jane...I think she has room for emotional growth.She's just a kid forced to become a survivor who got attachted to Clementine a bit too much.I see the potential for her to become a good person.She has gone trough some fcked up stuff that made her distance herself from others, though we see her grow and adapt to other people, even help them.I trust that if the group that Clem and Jane encounter at the end are really a good family and not bandits, Jane can become a social, good person, perhaps she can finally emotionally grow up.
I respect other people's decisions and views on things and I encourage a good discussion.
I am just sick when people enjoy seeing characters getting stabbed and making them seem like the ultimate scum of the earth just because they disagree with their actions.
Cheers.
Comments
Oh boy, here we go again.
Another one of "those threads".
That was a good read but you have just unknowingly started a war.
Are you kidding me??? They both wanted to kill each other. Jane brought out the knife she got stabbed with. Its her fault she is dead. Enough with these pointless threads.
Jane had no interest in killing Kenny for funzies.She wanted to fight, oh boy, as long as it takes, untill one of the two outcomes happened:
A:Clem saw who Kenny is and went alone with Jane.
B:Kenny left after Jane injured him.
I gave 2 examples that showed moments where Jane gave an opening for both of the two outcomes.But none were willing to give up Clementine, so they went on to fight to the death.
It's both no ones fault and both of their fault.
I'm sick of this threads so I'm posting a leaked image of Kenny from Season 3.
Don't mind me.
She wanted Clementine to herself, she was willing to kill Kenny to get it.
Not really, Kenny was under a false pretense, she could of ended the fight, by saying.... I'm sorry Kenny i was just joking, calm down. Alvin is in that car over there. Lets try to work together instead of fight. I'm also sorry for picking on you constantly and giving you shit.
She wanted the fight because she has mental problems.
Saying that she has mental problems is very offensive to people who actually do and is extremely ignorant.
She is just emotionally scarred by the fact that everyone she loved was eaten by zombies and Clementine was the only close person she's had in a long time.
And you can't seriously say that just because Kenny didn't know AJ was alive that what he did was justified.It is extremely unreasoable to attack a person because she couldn't keep a baby alive in the freezing snow with zombies attacking you.
Also, Kenny is the one constantly giving everyone shit too.
LOL OK, so you want to go there? Fine. She has some sort of "mental disorder", i'm not a psychiatrist, but i know she was trying to turn Clementine into Jamie 2.0, and it wasn't healthy for Clementine. Jane tells Clementine that she would "never abandon" her again, however when the truck comes to a halt, she leaves Clementine to walk 1 mile in a snowstorm by herself to set up her "brilliant" plan.
During the fight, Jane brings out her knife., she stabs Kenny in the gut. She gets killed with her own blade, and for what? Again explain to me how Jane doesn't have mental problems. I think anyone that knows Kenny, is you don't intentionally try to piss him off especially when he just smashed a guy's face into paste.
Just because someone has emotional problems after losing a loved one doesn't equal mental disorder.Most people who've lost someone generally know what I'm talking about.
Kenny also has a ton of emotional problems with anger, yet I'm not saying he has a mental disorder, because it is extremely insensitive to throw that word around like that.
"I've never killed someone, that hasn't ever wronged me in some way."
Shoots troy in the dick.
Manipulates Kenny into a fight to the death
She doesn't have problems noo....
Problems?Definitely so.
Mental Disorder?Nope.
I think it might be to late. We're already in the thick of it. Let's just hope it doesn't escalate even further.
fastens seatbelt just to be safe
Jane is the 'ultimate scum of the earth' because she hid a baby in a car, faked its death to kill Kenny, didn´t stop the figth when she could do it in any moment by running to the car and she didn´t do it, and because she didn´t consider the emotional trauma her plan could cause Clem.
To give Kenny a opening because he was just stading there, looking pissed off, instead of figthing.
dafuq?
This is called assuming, stop doing that.
Jane is twenty something in season 2, and the apocalypse started two years ago. She was not a tennager when it started.
Lol, nope. Is because Clem=Jaime 2.0
Lol, nope. Remember the group of russians? That´s her fault.
Only because Clem cared about the group.
She.Faked.A.Baby´s.Death.To.Kill.Kenny.
Because being pushed over the edge by Jane means Kenny is EVIL. Sure, whatever.
Have you even played the game?
Kenny: I fucking kill you!
Jane: I knew you would.
Also, I am going to remind you that Jane almost spilled Kenny´s guts with her knife.
That´s part of it, yes, but you are forgetting he was in a rage because he thougth Jane had killed AJ.
nOpe. She wanted to kill Kenny.
Lol, nope.
What part of Kenny thinking Jane had killed AJ is so hard to understand?
Yes, because Kenny could totally have left Clem with a baby killer.
Are you even serious?
Killed. By.Jane. No just death.
Lol, nope. She 'adapted' to the group because Clem cared about them.
It will escalate. It always does.
Stay safe,friend.
Well we do know she is obsessive about Clementine, a pathological liar, a manipulator, she left her sister to die and saved herself, she wants to abandon the rest of the group from the start, and stalks Clmeentine (determinant) if you decide to wait a few days to let Rebecca recover. (now remember if you decide to wait, she leaves that night. Why would she be in the area to hear those gunshots.
Oh and i almost forgot, she is also a common bandit for getting the group involved with the Russians in the first place.
Your right.
Thanks buddy, you stay safe to. Hopefully we'll survive.
That's the spirit!!! I think everything will turn out just fine. Positivity is key to survival
And not getting in the middle of it.
You're right
Edit: I'm removing my comment
"Guys let me explain why I was tricked and pressured into making the terrible wrong decision. Maybe if I talk about it long enough I'll get Stockholm Syndrome with my bad ending and rationalize myself into a place where I can convince myself I didn't screw up. Is there anyone else around who can reinforce my delusion?"
P.S. These are things players who stick with Kenny don't need to do.
Yay we made it
It's really hard to respect anyone who is so completely on Kenny's side or so completely on Jane's side that they are unwilling to admit the simple truth that these are two fatally flawed characters.
Right. If you stick with Kenny you'll just ride on a boat into the middle of nowhere where walkers can't reach you.
Also, OP, if you see some of my posts about it, It can convince you to stay with Jane. Depends on how much you value Kenny's friendship though.
Day 203: We´re still alive and going well. Supplies are stable and the shitstorm hasn´t escalted too much. The future seems clear.
Day 400: TWD_1992 and ABigBadWolf are sitting at their camp when suddenly they see someone in the distance. A woman approaches them and asks them if they'd like to join her community.
TWD_1992 asks, "No, we're fine thanks. What's your name?
The woman responds, "I'm Tavia"
eyes her suspiciously
So...what do you want...Tavia?
Tavia responds " we have a community not far from here and we are looking for survivors to join our group"
TWD_1992 looks ABigBadWolf and asks, "What do you think we should do? I don't trust her personally. Its your choice".
I sigh for a moment and reply.
"I don´t trust her either but we need supplies, that´s a fact."
I face the woman and test her.
"If things don´t go our way, will we be free to go back?"
Tavia hesitates for a moment before answering with "of course".
I look at ABigBadWolf " I trust your judgement, its your call"
I shrug.
"Let´s go buddy, if anything goes wrong we can just slide outta there. Nothing to lose, right?"
"Ok, what's the worst that could happen. And we are getting low on supplies. Ok Tavia, we'll join your community"
Tavia responds, "Ok then, follow me"
I look at ABigBadWolf "I think everything is going to be just fine"
I nod.
"I have a good feeling about this."
Arvo
Why is it that people who say "Sorry for my poor english skills" express themselves flawlessly? I agree with your points. Its just such a "either your on this side or that side" community. Very few people try to understand the other perspective.