what should jane have done?
many of you seem to be quiet fast to judge when it comes to jane's "plan".
but imagine yourself in the following scenario. what would you do?
(i know you kenny fanatics will again argue some of this points are not true. but they seemed true enough from jane's pov. so just imagine "what if?".)
you are traveling with a man a baby and a girl.
the man
... seems to go through the same metamorphosis you have seen others go through before, inedible ending in him getting all the people around him killed. (one way or the other)
... is violent and rash.
... is obsessed with finding a place that he nether seems to know actually exists nor where it is.
... will not stop looking for this place until all of you starve to death.
... got unsettling strong emotionally attached to a baby, whose safety seemed to be his nr. 1 priority.
... does not seem to be able to keep the people around him save.
... knows the girl for a long time and seemed to be quiet attached to her.
... will likely loose it completely when something happens to the baby or the girl.
... would hunt you down like an animal if you just took the baby.
... seems to need someone he can blame all the problems he encounters on.
... thinks you are a danger to the baby and the girl.
... thinks you are a bad influence on the girl.
... just brought the only people you opened up to in quiet a while to betray you.
... has just been heavily provoked by you
you
... can not just leave because you got to emotionally attached to the girl.
... doubt if the place the man is looking for actually exists and if it can be reached in time.
... just lost one (of only two) people who seemed to care about you.
... have just been betrayed by the first people you opened up to after being alone for a long time, because of the man.
... have just been poked in that open wound.
... responded by strongly antagonizing the man
... are not a babykiller.
the baby
... will likely die first, if you go along with the man's plan.
... should probably not be raised by this man.
the girl
... seems to be quiet attached to the baby and the man.
... does not seem to comprehend how dangerous the man is.
... just almost died because of a situation the man seemed to have caused.
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We all have to ask ourselves.
What would Jesus do?
Wierugh, funny!
transformed the baby into wine?
Well, I could have obviously faked the baby´s death and tried to kill that man, because words never work.
Let's just agree to disagree. I don't want to eleborate how there are several points missing at 'You'.
To be fair she did that all episode and everyone else did it all season.
Clem just went "Nah m8 Kenny's kool he's ma boi" no matter what the player did
She could have tried to talk him out, she didn´t. End of story.
Nope.
She tried to talk to clem about it the whole time and clem ignored her.
Fine then say when someone tells clem Kenny is a threat and clem full out agrees, there isnt
She can aggre with Jane, but she was not going to leave Kenny behind. Is that so hard to understand?
Play Episode 4 again. Any time you get asked about Kenny, you can aggre that he is dangerous.
point's how she sees herself?
Fair enough. But I meant more like she is, not like she sees herself.
'I won't eleborate.'
'Ok, if you don't want...'
'Fine, if it's that important to you, then I will eleborate!!'
(Everyone who gets that One Piece reference gets a cookie)
YOU:
cannot just leave because you got too emotionally attached to the girl, in an almost as creepy manner as the man with the baby, as you see her as your 'new' sister, after your younger sister died because of you.
doubt if the place the man searches for actually exists and if it can be reached in time. You don't really have a better plan though, other than going back to a (by most chances) still overrun hardware store.
just lost one (of only two) people that seemed to have cared about you, even though you don't care about anyone but yourself and girl/new sister.
have just been poked in that open wound after stabbing the man in his open wounds with a burning sword.
responded by strongly antagonizing the man, making him snap at some point (only natural) and bring the girl into a position where she might have to kill her best friend.
are not a babykiller, but make everyone believe you are and would neither tell the girl about your plan nor tell the man what's going on even though your point has been proven.
Just as a beginning.
This. So much this.
She did the right thing by showing Clementine that Kenny was a ticking time bomb. Let's imagine Clementine returned without the baby.
I don't even want to bring myself to comprehend such an horrific act. I fear Clem may be given the Carver treatment
XD i read transform the baby into white
interesting view. i had a similar impression with kenny and the baby.
why should it still be overrun? why does the herd move anyway? with you ringing the dinner bell and opening the doors whoever stayed there did not survive. for whom should they stay there? is it not better to trust the words of the person that seemed to know more about walkers then anyone you ever met before then some guy who is just sure it must be out there?
what gave you that impression? accepting people you care about might die whatever you do is not not caring.
as far as i remember kenny poked first. "you are nothing, you don't care about anyone and nobody cares about you. that makes you nothing" - or something like that.
we are before that. i asked if someone knows an alternative.
how should that plan work if clem immediately tells kenny it was just a lie.
there is no way the man mad with rage that thinks you are some selfish mad babykiller will believe you at this point.
One could imagine that would be a brutal scene to watch. What if Jane & The Baby never came back?
Kenny's body language was considerably telling. "YOU LEFT IT WITH JANE?"
Maybe we should have had the option to fully agree with Jane in the first place, instead we were only given the option to sympathize with Kenny the entire game, which I couldn't do. It was a bit annoying especially when key plot points revolved around the "relationship" between Kenny and Clem.
She should've waited until they were in a safer place and then tell Clem about her concerns over Kenny and ask her to leave with her. Then Clem would've had to chose between following Kenny or Jane and no one would be dead. When you know that someone is broken and has anger management issues, you just don't start provoking them to make things worst. I liked Jane but her "plan" left me disappointed in her and after that I couldn't trust her anymore.
How is that a bad thing ? He is one of the last people who care about the baby (the other one being Clem) and his attachment isn't unsettling, he lets Clem and the others hold him and take care of him. Plus, in the Wellington ending, he is ready to let both Clem and the baby go without him just to keep them safe even though he needs them.I doubt that Jane would've done that and she didn't seem to care much about the baby.
First off, got the same impression. But now the disagreeing starts.
Because the walkers don't give a fuck if there is anyone or not. They work on basic instincts.
There is food? Ok, I must eat. There is no food=no reason to move at all? Ok, then I won't move too far, only stroll around a little.
No. I just proved I know more about walkers than Jane. And it was almost anything that is there to know. Other points being aim for the head and they won't listen to you.
Jane as a character. She was clearly designed to be a Molly-like person, and that was Molly's most notable character trait.
Also, Jane even admits that Clem is 90% of why she came back, the other 10% being Luke, probably. That is not really a good start to a trusting relationship.
Oh, he did, no doubt. He did poke first, before Jane stabbed him way more brutal with saying he can't protect anyone and that everyone, including Sarita, hated him. A little worse, I would say.
Ok, but that doesn't change the fact that Jane was planning this fight after the car crash the whole time.
Wouldn't it have been enough to just show her he would have attacked or let him swing one punch to show how mad he is?
'At this point' is the key word. If she had told him before, he would have still been able to understand her. Like, before she slashed his stomach trying to gut him and beat on him like a madwoman and tried to gouge his eye out.
Huh. He wouldn't kill her.
Scream at her, for sure. I would too.
Hurt her? Maybe.
But kill her? Ain't no way.
there is more reason for clem to stay then kenny. wherever he goes the baby goes.
the only chance you have to tell jane, you want to leave with her is right after the baby is born. combining that with all the options to avoid the baby paints a pretty picture of clem fearing too to get to attached to the baby only to loose it. (again)
but since you have no option to leave the baby it happened anyway.
this horde would not be there in the first place if they would not move on.
how?
what about the camouflage?
this are reanimated dead. that can smell better then humans, despite their entire body decaying. one would think there were people studding them. (not scientist's - that would be tv show terrible)
jane was alone forever and when she finally opened up to some people, they immediately betray her and leave her behind to starve with a madman. one (of the two) persons, that seem to care about her just died, the other one almost died and is now on her way to certain death thanks to him. don't underestimate the weight of kennys words.
this was never about anyone hating him. this was about everybody being afraid of him. and with that jane was completly right. even sarita made certain comments. remember the questions about kenny having changed and the "i thought i could save him." while carvers face was smashed. was jane nearby, when she said that? she definitely only saw him at his worst.
this was a "look at yourself". do you think this man is the right person to raise this child?
fighting him did not seem like an emotional decision. she even tried to say sorry when the car stopped. for her he was likely ... well, old yella.
she already saw him abuse arvo worse. so no.
after he brutally assaulted her.
he understood nothing at this point anymore.
in the car:
"everyone talks about your behind your back because they are afraid of you."
"that ain't true."
I think he would, that baby meant everything to him
you can not imagine how easy people die.
to say kenny would not have beaten arvo to death if mike had not stopped him is nonsense.
8 hits (especially on the head) while his head smashes against the floor can be quiet deadly.
jesus, that old rasist.
Clem meant just as much to him
This is about Clem, not Arvo.
And the fact Arvo still was able to look at him after he beat him shows that Arvo was still alright, besides his face being bruised
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1S_7Pkk2dQ&feature=player_detailpage
this is about kenny's lack of restrain.
just because he is alright does not mean he must be alright
Neither were diplomats
Both are executioners
Clem is awesome
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I'm getting better at haiku's.
"Kenny, please, listen. Clem's been shot, she NEEDS medical supplies and AJ NEEDS formula. We know for sure that we can get these things by turning around.
I want what's best for Clem and AJ. You want what's best for Clem and AJ. We can head north again and start looking for Wellington, but first we need some supplies."
Something like that. I'd talk him down.
Thank you so much! I love this song.
she has been telling her about her concerns for days and she asked her to leave with her right after kenny steped out of the car. clem has made it clear enough she would not leave without the baby. and kenny would never let go of that baby. (if it where not for that plan working)
i think it is very unsettling if a violent man without self-retain raises a baby.
what he needs more is a happy ending. before he can finally die he wants to know that at least one of the things he obsessed over ended well.
she seemed to not want to get too attached to the baby.
if she actually did not care about the baby, she would have saved clem after the car crash.
i think jane would have given the baby (at least in the beginning) in an instant to wellington.
clementine on the other side...
not wanting to let her go might be more about not trusting that place. (in a world filled with howes and st. john's dearies)
but with the baby barely having a chance to survive out there it would be worth the risk.
we also pretty much saw what letting go means for jane, when you leave her after killing kenny.
"tell you what, we can turn around just as soon as you pry this wheel from my cold, dead fingers."
Yeah, I remember that line. Basically I think she shouldn't have been aggressive about it. It put him on the defensive.
That is a scary thought. While, I don't think he would launch himself at her throat like he did Jane, he might not be able to control his violence or his strength. I could see him shaking her or something and breaking her arm