OK, so I'm required to tolerate people saying "oooh, go ahead, it's okay to masturbate" yet when I say anything different, I'm the one who's the bad guy. I'm the one who's not allowed to say anything because it's "religious".
Xboxplayer_12 asked me why it was immoral, and I told him what I believed.... NEVER INTENDED TOWARD THE OP! Then people replied to me.
If that last sentence was towards me, I can tolerate people I disagree with. Sure. But if it comes down to religion and people are shoving t… moreheir rules and preach then that's where I cannot tolerate. I don't know how you can, but I cannot. Especially in a thread like this where his views and opinions are NOT necessary since again, for the 10th time OP said he isn't religious.
Actually, you can say whatever you please. As long as it isn't RELIGIOUS.
Honestly, I can't right now. I'm not going to say WHY it isn't necessary at all. You should maybe, hmmmm.... read back my replies and see why your replies and opinion isn't okay and relevant to this thread specifically.
If he said he was religious, then it's fine you can say whatever you please. But you know what he's said now. And he's seriously hurt and confused about his habits so saying stuff like that isn't helpful at all. Maybe you should try to be helpful and say things that are not relevant to religion and that's about personal experience and basic common sense. Otherwise, no.
OK, so I'm required to tolerate people saying "oooh, go ahead, it's okay to masturbate" yet when I say anything different, I'm the one who's… more the bad guy. I'm the one who's not allowed to say anything because it's "religious".
Xboxplayer_12 asked me why it was immoral, and I told him what I believed.... NEVER INTENDED TOWARD THE OP! Then people replied to me.
So now he's not allowed to try out different methods? I never said it would definitely work, I'm trying to help him control a habit he has. I'm not demanding him to stop, I'm trying to help him control it like he ASKED FOR!
I am not just discussing the comments directly above. I was talking about your "advice" in general.
And in addition, just because indoctr… moreination worked for you, doesn't mean it will work for everyone. Personal opinions and experiences are nothing compared to factual evidence supporting anyone's claims, not just yours.
Yes, but are you sure you're even "cured" as you would put it? Or if you plan to argue that it's just a control you have, we are all humans, we have sex drives, pinning it down isn't going to do anything except for let it come back around and become a thing again. Have you ever thought that the reason that it's so hard to get rid of is simply because it's just natural? I'm not saying it's good for it to become an addiction, but it shouldn't be looked down upon.
So now he's not allowed to try out different methods? I never said it would definitely work, I'm trying to help him control a habit he has. I'm not demanding him to stop, I'm trying to help him control it like he ASKED FOR!
Actually, you can say whatever you please. As long as it isn't RELIGIOUS.
Honestly, I can't right now. I'm not going to say WHY it isn't … morenecessary at all. You should maybe, hmmmm.... read back my replies and see why your replies and opinion isn't okay and relevant to this thread specifically.
If he said he was religious, then it's fine you can say whatever you please. But you know what he's said now. And he's seriously hurt and confused about his habits so saying stuff like that isn't helpful at all. Maybe you should try to be helpful and say things that are not relevant to religion and that's about personal experience and basic common sense. Otherwise, no.
There is no reason whatsoever why it can't be religious. I see religious views as just another opinion on the world, and it does affect how we live. People need to calm down about religious views.
Actually, you can say whatever you please. As long as it isn't RELIGIOUS.
Honestly, I can't right now. I'm not going to say WHY it isn't … morenecessary at all. You should maybe, hmmmm.... read back my replies and see why your replies and opinion isn't okay and relevant to this thread specifically.
If he said he was religious, then it's fine you can say whatever you please. But you know what he's said now. And he's seriously hurt and confused about his habits so saying stuff like that isn't helpful at all. Maybe you should try to be helpful and say things that are not relevant to religion and that's about personal experience and basic common sense. Otherwise, no.
Yes, but are you sure you're even "cured" as you would put it? Or if you plan to argue that it's just a control you have, we are all humans,… more we have sex drives, pinning it down isn't going to do anything except for let it come back around and become a thing again. Have you ever thought that the reason that it's so hard to get rid of is simply because it's just natural? I'm not saying it's good for it to become an addiction, but it shouldn't be looked down upon.
I think its time to take a break from this thread. Only arguments are starting, your opinion and personal experience is noted. The OP is clearly taking your advice, I want the fighting to stop, im not trying to be rude but I noticed youre in all the arguments, so please let it rest.
I think its time to take a break from this thread. Only arguments are starting, your opinion and personal experience is noted. The OP is cle… morearly taking your advice, I want the fighting to stop, im not trying to be rude but I noticed youre in all the arguments, so please let it rest.
I'm just telling you my looks on things. In this sense, it's reasonable, since i'm not giving any advice to you.
I also know my opinions aren't facts, which is why when I gave my "advice", I didn't try to make it sound like I was some superior all knowing person, though I did do some research before saying anything.
Because nobody here is religious. OP doesn't need advice coming from somebody who IS. That's broken logic and can be seen automatically by any reasonable person.
It's like somebody who's muslim telling you what's sinful and what isn't. And saying that it's sinful directly does not matter regardless since poked me said it was "lust" and that it was "bad" based off of his personal experience which were not necessary at all. It was based off of his religion and his parents issues. OP isn't a married guy so he doesn't need your advice. That's too much regardless.
Just because your mom doesn't like it doesn't mean everybody should hate it and that it's "bad".
Just because it's "lust" doesn't mean shit to anybody who's atheist or who doesn't believe in what you believe.
There is no reason whatsoever why it can't be religious. I see religious views as just another opinion on the world, and it does affect how we live. People need to calm down about religious views.
To say that nobody on this forum is religious is either a lie or you are simply incorrect. @HelloWorld123 has posted here and has admitted that she believes in God. If you are referring to the topic of masturbation problems, @Ohyoupokedme is simply giving his point of view on the topic and contributing in his own way. If you do not see it as adequate advice, so be it, but it is not your problem. The OP does not need someone to tell him what is adequate advice and what is not.
Because nobody here is religious. OP doesn't need advice coming from somebody who IS. That's broken logic and can be seen automatically by a… moreny reasonable person.
It's like somebody who's muslim telling you what's sinful and what isn't. And saying that it's sinful directly does not matter regardless since poked me said it was "lust" and that it was "bad" based off of his personal experience which were not necessary at all. It was based off of his religion and his parents issues. OP isn't a married guy so he doesn't need your advice. That's too much regardless.
Just because your mom doesn't like it doesn't mean everybody should hate it and that it's "bad".
Just because it's "lust" doesn't mean shit to anybody who's atheist or who doesn't believe in what you believe.
So you're wasting your replies.
Wow....... ok , juice box, i just want to tell you that i'm very thankful for your concern..... but i think you are a bit overreacting when you say that Ohyoupokedme is ''indoctrinating'' me or that he ''should not be allowed to comment''.
Even tho i'm not a religious person, Ohyoupokedme is right when he says that i want to control myself and that i'm not comfortable with how masturbation affect me right now..
I think that his experience trough what i'm facing right now is very interesting and pertinent on that thread, whether it is religious or not i can decide when it applies to me.(when he was talking about sin , he was answering to someone else )
---Yes i do want to stop masturbate(more precisely :be able to stop when i want) because of NON religious reasons , but it DOESN'T mean that all the advice from religious people are suddenly invalid.
I'm just telling you my looks on things. In this sense, it's reasonable, since i'm not giving any advice to you.
I also know my opinions … morearen't facts, which is why when I gave my "advice", I didn't try to make it sound like I was some superior all knowing person, though I did do some research before saying anything.
To say that nobody on this forum is religious is either a lie or you are simply incorrect. @HelloWorld123 has posted here and has admitted t… morehat she believes in God. If you are referring to the topic of masturbation problems, @Ohyoupokedme is simply giving his point of view on the topic and contributing in his own way. If you do not see it as adequate advice, so be it, but it is not your problem. The OP does not need someone to tell him what is adequate advice and what is not.
To say that nobody on this forum is religious is either a lie or you are simply incorrect. @HelloWorld123 has posted here and has admitted t… morehat she believes in God. If you are referring to the topic of masturbation problems, @Ohyoupokedme is simply giving his point of view on the topic and contributing in his own way. If you do not see it as adequate advice, so be it, but it is not your problem. The OP does not need someone to tell him what is adequate advice and what is not.
Something that isn't adequate advice is that based off of own religion and family problems. Idk why you mention hello world, please stay on … moretopic.
Also seems like you're getting a bit lost there, read back on the replies then maybe consider replying?
ok here was a big debate but i want to say thanks man, your stories are very interesting and pertinent here because you went trough something very similar to me. I didn't felt that your advice about how to control myself were religious related in any way . i think that some people overreact a little bit
I understand, but we should stop stroking the fire. The conversation has already started to die down. I contacted Ellias and its all good.
Let's move past this, yeah? I appreciate it, but enough damage has been done.
Because you said that since nobody else is religious here. That's not true at all and that's why I brought up Helloworld. I'll stop this argument by simply saying that there was no need to react to @Ohyoupokedme's comments the way you did.
Something that isn't adequate advice is that based off of own religion and family problems. Idk why you mention hello world, please stay on … moretopic.
Also seems like you're getting a bit lost there, read back on the replies then maybe consider replying?
Because you said that since nobody else is religious here. That's not true at all and that's why I brought up Helloworld. I'll stop this argument by simply saying that there was no need to react to @Ohyoupokedme's comments the way you did.
No. I was simply saying that she posted here previously in response to you say that there were no religious people on this thread. If what you meant was that there were no religious people seeking similar help, I apologize for the misunderstanding.
Very interesting thread but my god look at the arguments. O_O
Anyway... uh.... apparently when I did it when younger it stopped the wet dreams from happening. So it saved me the trouble of embarrassment in front of my family. But anyway, what I usually do is distract myself by playing video games, watch comedy, draw, or go shopping and hang out with folks. Reading also helps. Just try to avoid anything that turns you on, and if you think of sexual things a good whack to the old noggin helps(drastic maybe?) or just watch funny videos.
Trivia based on what I researched(not sure it's true but who knows): If you are able to reduce the amount you do it, say about 2-3 days, the sperm will be fully grown by then. If you constantly do it, you will reduce the amount you ejaculate sperm to an EXTENT. So if you had a sex partner that wanted to be impregnated, reducing the amount you masturbate will help.
Two things being taken out of context... I didn't say he was indoctrinating you, I was talking about what has happened to him. I'm not saying advice from religious folks is invalid either, i'm just saying, any points discussing religion as the primary source are invalid.
I understand you want to stop, but starving something doesn't belittle it, i'm just trying to make sure that the advice your getting is actually going to help you.
Wow....... ok , juice box, i just want to tell you that i'm very thankful for your concern..... but i think you are a bit overreacting when … moreyou say that Ohyoupokedme is ''indoctrinating'' me or that he ''should not be allowed to comment''.
Even tho i'm not a religious person, Ohyoupokedme is right when he says that i want to control myself and that i'm not comfortable with how masturbation affect me right now..
I think that his experience trough what i'm facing right now is very interesting and pertinent on that thread, whether it is religious or not i can decide when it applies to me.(when he was talking about sin , he was answering to someone else )
---Yes i do want to stop masturbate(more precisely :be able to stop when i want) because of NON religious reasons , but it DOESN'T mean that all the advice from religious people are suddenly invalid.
You shouldn't feel obligated to stop masturbating, it's a normal part of life. I masturbate at least once a week; sometimes I even wake up to find myself subconsciously doing it. Plus, considering your age, it's not a big deal. Getting off helps with relieving stress and sexual frustration.
But if you really can't stop; like, if masturbation is interfering with your everyday life and preventing you from being productive, then you might wanna see someone. It could be psychological.
Oh, and one more piece of advice: If you ever find yourself starting to feel inexplicably horny in a public place, like work, imagine the most disgusting person/thing/smell that you can. Just don't make yourself sick. XD
Two things being taken out of context... I didn't say he was indoctrinating you, I was talking about what has happened to him. I'm not sayin… moreg advice from religious folks is invalid either, i'm just saying, any points discussing religion as the primary source are invalid.
I understand you want to stop, but starving something doesn't belittle it, i'm just trying to make sure that the advice your getting is actually going to help you.
DAY 2 : i successfully spent my first complete day without masturbating since 3 years i feel very good. Now i just need to survive the night till the morning!
When i came back to school i almost did it but instead i ran to the nearest public Pool and i did like 30min of swimming ! After i didn't felt the ''emptiness'' ! good i'm ready for the next day
DAY 2 : i successfully spent my first complete day without masturbating since 3 years it feels very good , now i only need to survive the night!
after getting back from school, i almost did it but instead i ran to the nearest public pool and i did like 30 min of swimming ! after i didn't felt the ''emptiness''!.... good ,so now i'm ready for the next day.
It is a very good place to start with setting goals. Like anything that you've done enough it becomes habit/addiction, pacing yourself is key. But also, I can't emphasize enough how beneficial it is to have something else fill that time.
Let's face it (applying to all guys): you know when you like to do it, where, how, what leads to it. The best advice I can offer for it if you're still in the struggling stage is "don't try to out think it, you'll always lose." And by that I mean that if you do begin winning the battles, don't ever get it a footing just to prove to yourself you can beat it again--most often you wont. There is truth in the saying "flee from temptation"--and by no means is that being a coward.
As for it being past the point of struggling to a need, like anything else, you're going to have to stomp your foot down eventually. I know it sounds dumb and that you've probably said it a million times before to yourself, but if you want it to stop, you're going to just have to stop. But that's hard when it becomes habit--so fill it with another habit. Distract yourself. Flee the markers that you know lead you to it EVERY time. You know your strengths and weaknesses most--claim war to them and fight it like a man:)
It is not easy. You have my prayers. If I may help in any other way, I'm here for ya man--that is a struggle men put off stopping far too long.
I don't masturbate but I do admit to touching myself down there and watching porn. Just take your mind off it, this is coming from someone who hasn't had a girlfriend. It's not that hard.
Well, reading this, I don't think "sin" was mentioned once on here: http://www.wikihow.com/Stop-a-Masturbation-Addiction
And besides, you're not meant to punish yourself or patronize yourself for having the addiction in the first place.
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OK, so I'm required to tolerate people saying "oooh, go ahead, it's okay to masturbate" yet when I say anything different, I'm the one who's the bad guy. I'm the one who's not allowed to say anything because it's "religious".
Xboxplayer_12 asked me why it was immoral, and I told him what I believed.... NEVER INTENDED TOWARD THE OP! Then people replied to me.
Actually, you can say whatever you please. As long as it isn't RELIGIOUS.
Honestly, I can't right now. I'm not going to say WHY it isn't necessary at all. You should maybe, hmmmm.... read back my replies and see why your replies and opinion isn't okay and relevant to this thread specifically.
If he said he was religious, then it's fine you can say whatever you please. But you know what he's said now. And he's seriously hurt and confused about his habits so saying stuff like that isn't helpful at all. Maybe you should try to be helpful and say things that are not relevant to religion and that's about personal experience and basic common sense. Otherwise, no.
So now he's not allowed to try out different methods? I never said it would definitely work, I'm trying to help him control a habit he has. I'm not demanding him to stop, I'm trying to help him control it like he ASKED FOR!
Okay this thread is out of control, please everyone calm down, stop arguing.
Yes, but are you sure you're even "cured" as you would put it? Or if you plan to argue that it's just a control you have, we are all humans, we have sex drives, pinning it down isn't going to do anything except for let it come back around and become a thing again. Have you ever thought that the reason that it's so hard to get rid of is simply because it's just natural? I'm not saying it's good for it to become an addiction, but it shouldn't be looked down upon.
You're not his pa, he can decide to listen to me or not. You're not a moderator, you're not the OP.
And if you haven't seen any of my original posts above, they ARE relevant to personal experience! I barely mention religion.
There is no reason whatsoever why it can't be religious. I see religious views as just another opinion on the world, and it does affect how we live. People need to calm down about religious views.
Thank you, sadly I doubt this will stop the fighting.
Why shouldn't it? Who are you to determine that? Don't forget that YOUR OPINION isn't FACT EITHER.
I think its time to take a break from this thread. Only arguments are starting, your opinion and personal experience is noted. The OP is clearly taking your advice, I want the fighting to stop, im not trying to be rude but I noticed youre in all the arguments, so please let it rest.
I didn't ask for this to happen. I'm sorry.
I'm just telling you my looks on things. In this sense, it's reasonable, since i'm not giving any advice to you.
I also know my opinions aren't facts, which is why when I gave my "advice", I didn't try to make it sound like I was some superior all knowing person, though I did do some research before saying anything.
I know, you were trying to help and you might have but its time, for this to rest.
Because nobody here is religious. OP doesn't need advice coming from somebody who IS. That's broken logic and can be seen automatically by any reasonable person.
It's like somebody who's muslim telling you what's sinful and what isn't. And saying that it's sinful directly does not matter regardless since poked me said it was "lust" and that it was "bad" based off of his personal experience which were not necessary at all. It was based off of his religion and his parents issues. OP isn't a married guy so he doesn't need your advice. That's too much regardless.
Just because your mom doesn't like it doesn't mean everybody should hate it and that it's "bad".
Just because it's "lust" doesn't mean shit to anybody who's atheist or who doesn't believe in what you believe.
So you're wasting your replies.
To say that nobody on this forum is religious is either a lie or you are simply incorrect. @HelloWorld123 has posted here and has admitted that she believes in God. If you are referring to the topic of masturbation problems, @Ohyoupokedme is simply giving his point of view on the topic and contributing in his own way. If you do not see it as adequate advice, so be it, but it is not your problem. The OP does not need someone to tell him what is adequate advice and what is not.
Wow....... ok , juice box, i just want to tell you that i'm very thankful for your concern..... but i think you are a bit overreacting when you say that Ohyoupokedme is ''indoctrinating'' me or that he ''should not be allowed to comment''.
Even tho i'm not a religious person, Ohyoupokedme is right when he says that i want to control myself and that i'm not comfortable with how masturbation affect me right now..
I think that his experience trough what i'm facing right now is very interesting and pertinent on that thread, whether it is religious or not i can decide when it applies to me.(when he was talking about sin , he was answering to someone else )
---Yes i do want to stop masturbate(more precisely :be able to stop when i want) because of NON religious reasons , but it DOESN'T mean that all the advice from religious people are suddenly invalid.
Box, please... Let it gooooooo, let it gooooooooo.
Uhh I'm defending you.
I understand, but we should stop stroking the fire. The conversation has already started to die down. I contacted Ellias and its all good.
Let's move past this, yeah? I appreciate it, but enough damage has been done.
Something that isn't adequate advice is that based off of own religion and family problems. Idk why you mention hello world, please stay on topic.
Also seems like you're getting a bit lost there, read back on the replies then maybe consider replying?
Ellias, pls!
ok here was a big debate but i want to say thanks man, your stories are very interesting and pertinent here
because you went trough something very similar to me. I didn't felt that your advice about how to control myself were religious related in any way . i think that some people overreact a little bit
Because you said that since nobody else is religious here. That's not true at all and that's why I brought up Helloworld. I'll stop this argument by simply saying that there was no need to react to @Ohyoupokedme's comments the way you did.
So all of the sudden helloworld was seeking help for her "masturbation" problem?
No. I was simply saying that she posted here previously in response to you say that there were no religious people on this thread. If what you meant was that there were no religious people seeking similar help, I apologize for the misunderstanding.
Very interesting thread but my god look at the arguments. O_O
Anyway... uh.... apparently when I did it when younger it stopped the wet dreams from happening. So it saved me the trouble of embarrassment in front of my family. But anyway, what I usually do is distract myself by playing video games, watch comedy, draw, or go shopping and hang out with folks. Reading also helps. Just try to avoid anything that turns you on, and if you think of sexual things a good whack to the old noggin helps(drastic maybe?) or just watch funny videos.
Trivia based on what I researched(not sure it's true but who knows): If you are able to reduce the amount you do it, say about 2-3 days, the sperm will be fully grown by then. If you constantly do it, you will reduce the amount you ejaculate sperm to an EXTENT. So if you had a sex partner that wanted to be impregnated, reducing the amount you masturbate will help.
Two things being taken out of context... I didn't say he was indoctrinating you, I was talking about what has happened to him. I'm not saying advice from religious folks is invalid either, i'm just saying, any points discussing religion as the primary source are invalid.
I understand you want to stop, but starving something doesn't belittle it, i'm just trying to make sure that the advice your getting is actually going to help you.
You shouldn't feel obligated to stop masturbating, it's a normal part of life. I masturbate at least once a week; sometimes I even wake up to find myself subconsciously doing it. Plus, considering your age, it's not a big deal. Getting off helps with relieving stress and sexual frustration.
But if you really can't stop; like, if masturbation is interfering with your everyday life and preventing you from being productive, then you might wanna see someone. It could be psychological.
Oh, and one more piece of advice: If you ever find yourself starting to feel inexplicably horny in a public place, like work, imagine the most disgusting person/thing/smell that you can. Just don't make yourself sick. XD
So you're saying my advice isn't helpful?
With researches i've looked into, you're pointing him in the wrong direction. Though, there's nothing wrong with being incorrect sometimes.
Why am I pointint him in the wrong direction?
Fap, nap
DAY 2 : i successfully spent my first complete day without masturbating since 3 years
i feel very good. Now i just need to survive the night till the morning!
When i came back to school i almost did it but instead i ran to the nearest public Pool and i did like 30min of swimming ! After i didn't felt the ''emptiness'' ! good i'm ready for the next day
DAY 2 : i successfully spent my first complete day without masturbating since 3 years
it feels very good , now i only need to survive the night!
after getting back from school, i almost did it but instead i ran to the nearest public pool and i did like 30 min of swimming ! after i didn't felt the ''emptiness''!.... good ,so now i'm ready for the next day.
It is a very good place to start with setting goals. Like anything that you've done enough it becomes habit/addiction, pacing yourself is key. But also, I can't emphasize enough how beneficial it is to have something else fill that time.
Let's face it (applying to all guys): you know when you like to do it, where, how, what leads to it. The best advice I can offer for it if you're still in the struggling stage is "don't try to out think it, you'll always lose." And by that I mean that if you do begin winning the battles, don't ever get it a footing just to prove to yourself you can beat it again--most often you wont. There is truth in the saying "flee from temptation"--and by no means is that being a coward.
As for it being past the point of struggling to a need, like anything else, you're going to have to stomp your foot down eventually. I know it sounds dumb and that you've probably said it a million times before to yourself, but if you want it to stop, you're going to just have to stop. But that's hard when it becomes habit--so fill it with another habit. Distract yourself. Flee the markers that you know lead you to it EVERY time. You know your strengths and weaknesses most--claim war to them and fight it like a man:)
It is not easy. You have my prayers. If I may help in any other way, I'm here for ya man--that is a struggle men put off stopping far too long.
Well, reading this, I don't think "sin" was mentioned once on here: http://www.wikihow.com/Stop-a-Masturbation-Addiction
And besides, you're not meant to punish yourself or patronize yourself for having the addiction in the first place.
I don't masturbate but I do admit to touching myself down there and watching porn. Just take your mind off it, this is coming from someone who hasn't had a girlfriend. It's not that hard.
I'm not telling him to do that, but you have to recognize the addiction as bad, or else you wont have the incentive to stop.