I am upset, and i miss him but they already made the episode, theres no way they'd go back to change his status. Trust me i also want to riot...but i am gonna be the party pooper of this thread.
Their dealing with most of the deaths of characters this season was awful. The final straw was with Luke though. Especially when it's revealed they did it purely for shock value. It's a shame because there are so few well written, character based games out there. I'm willing to give a little bit of leeway at least if you try to provide an explanation. There's no explanation though, just simply a middle finger to their audience.
When you do things like this, it makes me think twice before paying for another game. There's better things I can spend money on than a slap in the face.
And, in the secret lair, EVERYONE that has died is actually alive. Lee, Nick, Carlos, Sarah, Sarita, Duck, Katjaa, Rebecca, Alvin, Pete, and Carley and Doug
I doubt he'd faked his death, but the cold water could've slowed down brain damaged and thus delayed Luke turning into a walker for a good hour or so, so revival with CPR could've still been plausible.
I doubt he'd faked his death, but the cold water could've slowed down brain damaged and thus delayed Luke turning into a walker for a good hour or so, so revival with CPR could've still been plausible.
He did care about the group. But as seen in episode 5, Luke feels bad from the lost of his entire Cabin survivor group.
He was also shot in the leg. This could be a sign that he thought of himself as a detriment to the group and wanted the group to move on.
I guess, but if somebody did fish him out and revived the guy, being in that water for so long would knock you out for a while, it would take a whole to recover. The human body is kinda scary with that stuff but it's happened o_o But with his leg, he wouldn't be going anywhere fast. Luke would be screwed on his own.
At least, that's the only outcome I could of it to back what you say. If he couldn't go after them because of his injury and if he got fished out in time.
He did care about the group. But as seen in episode 5, Luke feels bad from the lost of his entire Cabin survivor group.
He was also shot in… more the leg. This could be a sign that he thought of himself as a detriment to the group and wanted the group to move on.
Guys, kenny coming back was crazy, but we didn't hear him scream, or see him die. Luke is by far my favorite character but telltale won't pull a kenny again. I bet if luke did survive, he would have come back for the group, which he didnt.
You mean like a liability?
I guess, but if somebody did fish him out and revived the guy, being in that water for so long would knock you… more out for a while, it would take a whole to recover. The human body is kinda scary with that stuff but it's happened o_o But with his leg, he wouldn't be going anywhere fast. Luke would be screwed on his own.
At least, that's the only outcome I could of it to back what you say. If he couldn't go after them because of his injury and if he got fished out in time.
You mean like a liability?
I guess, but if somebody did fish him out and revived the guy, being in that water for so long would knock you… more out for a while, it would take a whole to recover. The human body is kinda scary with that stuff but it's happened o_o But with his leg, he wouldn't be going anywhere fast. Luke would be screwed on his own.
At least, that's the only outcome I could of it to back what you say. If he couldn't go after them because of his injury and if he got fished out in time.
I know, it is unlikely, but my purpose for commenting was to show that Luke can be brought back by telltale alive if telltale wanted to. Just to show that it was not impossible to have Luke come back, not to show that he will come back.
Guys, kenny coming back was crazy, but we didn't hear him scream, or see him die. Luke is by far my favorite character but telltale won't pull a kenny again. I bet if luke did survive, he would have come back for the group, which he didnt.
I agree with the many replies here that agree with Luke's death being rushed despite his character importance and lack of personal development. It feels almost as though every character needs to die by the endgame so they just tossed all the models out the window in the animation screen and said "Okay, time to move on." Even Luke's "don't cover him' animation was poorly done as if they only put some time in the 'cover Luke option'. Looks like his model is just floating there for the first. Anyways, why even make a character if they're going to die so unimportantly? Why lead us to care for his relationship with Clem? I understand, some deaths happen. They really do, and they can't be helped. But the shock factor is gone, I'm not impressed or sad by deaths anymore, and saving a character means their death will be worse later on.
I LOVE Telltale, I usually love their storytelling and character development. And will I go on strike for their games for this season? No, because in contrast to most other games this really is still amazing. But it was disappointing compared to the amazing Season 1. I'd love to see them read these forums and take our advice to create more outstanding work rather than let it go down the path the show did. The show is unbearable to me, unrelatable, and honestly just a girl show with romance and sex and whatever. I didn't care for games like Resident Evil or much anything else either, but this game made me accept the idea of zombies finally, and realize there was potential in stories about the people dealing with them.
So, Telltale, please do try to go back to your roots. I do respect your art and it's amazing, but I'd love for the next season to improve.
I was expecting Luke to die eventually. You can't get that close to the main character and then just be fine. Additionally, Luke's death is like hammer shattering a piece of glass. It drives a wedge through the group, splinters it. That said, I WAS surprised how he died. As we see Luke and Clem getting closer and suddenly Kenny returns, I was expecting a life or death decision between Luke and Kenny. It's set up several times through the dialogue, do you side with Luke or Kenny. I was convinced you would have to decide between the two eventually. Obviously I was wrong.
We did learn about Luke though..about how he wanted to be an art history student or w/e and that he gets frustrated and won't think twice about taking an offer like Jane did to him.. to Telltale that is enough backstory I suppose.
Alright, its become pretty clear. People are NOT happy about Luke's death. Me included. Dear Telltale. I have been a huge fan of your recent… more games for a while. I absolutely love the wolf among us. Characters, setting, style, and of course, the story, are very compelling in that game. This is one of the reasons I got so upset when Luke died under that ice. Telltale, as long as I've known you, your plots have been well-constructed, and seem to have been planned very well. But, this Luke thing...it just seemed so wrong. It's not like you, Telltale.
First off, it just seemed damn illogical. Why spend weeks on meticulous character development planning, and then just kill a character off? To me, Luke was a very intriguing character throughout the game, and I'm sure I'm not the only one here who wanted to learn more about his past, his intentions, and his true self.
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Guys, good news! there are ways in which Luke may have survived his 'drowning'. He could have experienced the diving reflex, where the victim is able to survive for an extended period of time underwater while unconscious (it's real, look it up). This could have given enough time for other survivors to discover his body, and revive him. Here's a plausible scenario:
Luke gets pulled down. He grabs his machete and kills the walker. Unable to find a hole in the ice, he swims to shallow water, and starts to break the ice with his machete. he then loses consciousness. The events above take place within a few minutes.
He then remains underwater, unconscious, for some time (the diving reflex keeps him alive). Eventually a couple of survivors by chance reach the same spot Luke is, and try to break the ice, searching for water (it's better to drink water than eat snow, hence the survivors are here). They then find Luke's body once they break through.
Thinking he is dead, they drag him out, in order to find whatever supplies/equipment he has on him. Noticing he hasn't turned, and that he's still a bit warm, the survivors realize Luke is still alive, and rush to their camp in the woods, where they light a fire and revive him. Luke lives, but he is in no condition to move, thus he is unable to join Clementine's group, who eventually leave. Luke must join the survivors who saved him, but eventually meets Clementine again in Season 3.
This scenario I feel is plausible, no supernatural whatever is required for it to happen. All this needs is Telltale to reconsider Luke's death. They could easily bring Luke back in season 3, with a story like this. A lot of luck may be needed for Luke to survive, but it's nothing compared to Kenny's situation.
Guys, good news! there are ways in which Luke may have survived his 'drowning'. He could have experienced the diving reflex, where the victi… morem is able to survive for an extended period of time underwater while unconscious (it's real, look it up). This could have given enough time for other survivors to discover his body, and revive him. Here's a plausible scenario:
Luke gets pulled down. He grabs his machete and kills the walker. Unable to find a hole in the ice, he swims to shallow water, and starts to break the ice with his machete. he then loses consciousness. The events above take place within a few minutes.
He then remains underwater, unconscious, for some time (the diving reflex keeps him alive). Eventually a couple of survivors by chance reach the same spot Luke is, and try to break the ice, searching for water (it's better to drink water than eat snow, hence the survivors are here). They then find Luke's body once they break thro… [view original content]
What pissed me off the most about Luke's death was how badly thought out it was. And why did they bring up the hype of the Luke/Kenny choice for the final episode and end up killing him off just for the sake of it? That's stupid, really stupid. Don't get me wrong, I loved the finale, but I'll never get over how betrayed and angered I felt when I found out Luke couldn't be saved. Seriously, Telltale? You can do better than that. I still haven't lost faith in them and am hoping that season 3 will be worth it, along with their other games that are coming up... Please don't fail us again, Telltale. :C
And my theory about how he could've survived - in the [Help Luke] option you definitely see him drown, but he had his goddamn machete on his back. Take that shit out and hack the walker off, right? ... I don't know what would happen after that, though.
In the [Cover Luke] option if you break the ice you can see Luke's just floating there, which means he passed out. I mean, dead bodies sink, right? He was definitely passed out. Maybe someone else tagged along, saw him, pulled him out and revived him?
Getting too hopeful here. xD But yeah, that's what I think. Feel free to criticize me on it. x3
Recently I sent somebody a message to help them with something in their writing, because they hadn't written in the effects of hypothermia. This is what I sent them copy pasted from a site...
[Mild hypothermia]
If someone has mild hypothermia (generally with a body temperature of 32-35˚C), the symptoms aren't always obvious but they can include:
•constant shivering
•tiredness
•low energy
•cold or pale skin
•fast breathing (hyperventilation)
[Moderate hypothermia]
Moderate cases of hypothermia (generally with a body temperature of 28-32˚C) can include symptoms such as:
•being unable to think or pay attention
•confusion
•loss of judgement and reasoning (someone with hypothermia may decide to remove clothing despite being very cold)
•difficulty moving around
•loss of co-ordination
•drowsiness
•slurred speech
•slow, shallow breathing (hypoventilation)
People with a body temperature of 32˚C or lower will usually stop shivering completely. This is a sign that their condition is deteriorating and emergency medical help is required.
[Severe hypothermia]
The symptoms of severe hypothermia (a body temperature of below 28˚C) can include:
•unconsciousness
•shallow or no breathing
•weak, irregular or no pulse
•dilated pupils
Someone with severe hypothermia may appear to be dead. However, under these circumstances the individual must be taken to hospital to determine whether they have died, or if they are in a state of severe hypothermia. Medical treatment can still be used to resuscitate people with severe hypothermia, although it is often fatal.
Luke has weapons visible on him, so if somebody did see him floating in the water, their intentions might be to rob him and take those weapons from him, so right there you got a motive for breaking the ice and fishing him out. The chances of survival are still incredibly slim even with the cold water slowing down the process of killing those precious braincells, but it's not completely impossible.
What pissed me off the most about Luke's death was how badly thought out it was. And why did they bring up the hype of the Luke/Kenny choice… more for the final episode and end up killing him off just for the sake of it? That's stupid, really stupid. Don't get me wrong, I loved the finale, but I'll never get over how betrayed and angered I felt when I found out Luke couldn't be saved. Seriously, Telltale? You can do better than that. I still haven't lost faith in them and am hoping that season 3 will be worth it, along with their other games that are coming up... Please don't fail us again, Telltale. :C
And my theory about how he could've survived - in the [Help Luke] option you definitely see him drown, but he had his goddamn machete on his back. Take that shit out and hack the walker off, right? ... I don't know what would happen after that, though.
In the [Cover Luke] option if you break the ice you can see Luke's just floating there, whic… [view original content]
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As much as I like Luke, I have to admit that he's 100% dead and he will never come back. Sorry for being an asshole here but it's true.
At least he died on screen and had lines in the episode he died in. coughNickcough
They COULD just bring him back in the third season. That's what they did with Kenny.
We saw him dead
but I am hoping by some crazy miracle someone dragged his ass out of that lake i dont know....
Luke really deserved more, Telltale dealt him a shit hand. Him and Nick could have been handled WAY better.
Their dealing with most of the deaths of characters this season was awful. The final straw was with Luke though. Especially when it's revealed they did it purely for shock value. It's a shame because there are so few well written, character based games out there. I'm willing to give a little bit of leeway at least if you try to provide an explanation. There's no explanation though, just simply a middle finger to their audience.
When you do things like this, it makes me think twice before paying for another game. There's better things I can spend money on than a slap in the face.
Can't the same be said with Kenny? When he was in that alleyway and everyone kept saying he was dead.
I really thought Nick Breckon would do Luke justice this episode.. in episode 2 he was building Luke up... I dont know what happened in episode 5.
Luke was just playing dead, right? And that walker was actually taking Luke to a secret lair where he will prepare for season 3, right?
Luke could have faked his death or passed out
Well, the latter is very unlickely, but the first one is possible
And, in the secret lair, EVERYONE that has died is actually alive. Lee, Nick, Carlos, Sarah, Sarita, Duck, Katjaa, Rebecca, Alvin, Pete, and Carley and Doug
Yeah
I doubt he'd faked his death, but the cold water could've slowed down brain damaged and thus delayed Luke turning into a walker for a good hour or so, so revival with CPR could've still been plausible.
Well, you never know if Luke had a good reason for faking his death, if he did
Not really, he cared about the group. There's no reason he'd want to fake it
He did care about the group. But as seen in episode 5, Luke feels bad from the lost of his entire Cabin survivor group.
He was also shot in the leg. This could be a sign that he thought of himself as a detriment to the group and wanted the group to move on.
Shhhhh...
Let us dream...
You mean like a liability?
I guess, but if somebody did fish him out and revived the guy, being in that water for so long would knock you out for a while, it would take a whole to recover. The human body is kinda scary with that stuff but it's happened o_o But with his leg, he wouldn't be going anywhere fast. Luke would be screwed on his own.
At least, that's the only outcome I could of it to back what you say. If he couldn't go after them because of his injury and if he got fished out in time.
Guys, kenny coming back was crazy, but we didn't hear him scream, or see him die. Luke is by far my favorite character but telltale won't pull a kenny again.
I bet if luke did survive, he would have come back for the group, which he didnt.
Mike, Arvo, and Bonnie (determinate) decided to leave the group and go south. So that could explain Luke surviving afterwards.
I know, it is unlikely, but my purpose for commenting was to show that Luke can be brought back by telltale alive if telltale wanted to. Just to show that it was not impossible to have Luke come back, not to show that he will come back.
Telltale please make a miracle happen sobs
Yeah, Luke's totally alive.
Not like he got pulled down underwater by a walker and possibly got bitten if he didn't drown first/drown in front of Clementie or anything.
I agree with the many replies here that agree with Luke's death being rushed despite his character importance and lack of personal development. It feels almost as though every character needs to die by the endgame so they just tossed all the models out the window in the animation screen and said "Okay, time to move on." Even Luke's "don't cover him' animation was poorly done as if they only put some time in the 'cover Luke option'. Looks like his model is just floating there for the first. Anyways, why even make a character if they're going to die so unimportantly? Why lead us to care for his relationship with Clem? I understand, some deaths happen. They really do, and they can't be helped. But the shock factor is gone, I'm not impressed or sad by deaths anymore, and saving a character means their death will be worse later on.
I LOVE Telltale, I usually love their storytelling and character development. And will I go on strike for their games for this season? No, because in contrast to most other games this really is still amazing. But it was disappointing compared to the amazing Season 1. I'd love to see them read these forums and take our advice to create more outstanding work rather than let it go down the path the show did. The show is unbearable to me, unrelatable, and honestly just a girl show with romance and sex and whatever. I didn't care for games like Resident Evil or much anything else either, but this game made me accept the idea of zombies finally, and realize there was potential in stories about the people dealing with them.
So, Telltale, please do try to go back to your roots. I do respect your art and it's amazing, but I'd love for the next season to improve.
I was expecting Luke to die eventually. You can't get that close to the main character and then just be fine. Additionally, Luke's death is like hammer shattering a piece of glass. It drives a wedge through the group, splinters it. That said, I WAS surprised how he died. As we see Luke and Clem getting closer and suddenly Kenny returns, I was expecting a life or death decision between Luke and Kenny. It's set up several times through the dialogue, do you side with Luke or Kenny. I was convinced you would have to decide between the two eventually. Obviously I was wrong.
We did learn about Luke though..about how he wanted to be an art history student or w/e and that he gets frustrated and won't think twice about taking an offer like Jane did to him.. to Telltale that is enough backstory I suppose.
There are potential ways for him to come back, they involve the diving reflex to some extent.
Guys, good news! there are ways in which Luke may have survived his 'drowning'. He could have experienced the diving reflex, where the victim is able to survive for an extended period of time underwater while unconscious (it's real, look it up). This could have given enough time for other survivors to discover his body, and revive him. Here's a plausible scenario:
Luke gets pulled down. He grabs his machete and kills the walker. Unable to find a hole in the ice, he swims to shallow water, and starts to break the ice with his machete. he then loses consciousness. The events above take place within a few minutes.
He then remains underwater, unconscious, for some time (the diving reflex keeps him alive). Eventually a couple of survivors by chance reach the same spot Luke is, and try to break the ice, searching for water (it's better to drink water than eat snow, hence the survivors are here). They then find Luke's body once they break through.
Thinking he is dead, they drag him out, in order to find whatever supplies/equipment he has on him. Noticing he hasn't turned, and that he's still a bit warm, the survivors realize Luke is still alive, and rush to their camp in the woods, where they light a fire and revive him. Luke lives, but he is in no condition to move, thus he is unable to join Clementine's group, who eventually leave. Luke must join the survivors who saved him, but eventually meets Clementine again in Season 3.
This scenario I feel is plausible, no supernatural whatever is required for it to happen. All this needs is Telltale to reconsider Luke's death. They could easily bring Luke back in season 3, with a story like this. A lot of luck may be needed for Luke to survive, but it's nothing compared to Kenny's situation.
What pissed me off the most about Luke's death was how badly thought out it was. And why did they bring up the hype of the Luke/Kenny choice for the final episode and end up killing him off just for the sake of it? That's stupid, really stupid. Don't get me wrong, I loved the finale, but I'll never get over how betrayed and angered I felt when I found out Luke couldn't be saved. Seriously, Telltale? You can do better than that. I still haven't lost faith in them and am hoping that season 3 will be worth it, along with their other games that are coming up... Please don't fail us again, Telltale. :C
And my theory about how he could've survived - in the [Help Luke] option you definitely see him drown, but he had his goddamn machete on his back. Take that shit out and hack the walker off, right? ... I don't know what would happen after that, though.
In the [Cover Luke] option if you break the ice you can see Luke's just floating there, which means he passed out. I mean, dead bodies sink, right? He was definitely passed out. Maybe someone else tagged along, saw him, pulled him out and revived him?
Getting too hopeful here. xD But yeah, that's what I think. Feel free to criticize me on it. x3
Recently I sent somebody a message to help them with something in their writing, because they hadn't written in the effects of hypothermia. This is what I sent them copy pasted from a site...
[Mild hypothermia]
If someone has mild hypothermia (generally with a body temperature of 32-35˚C), the symptoms aren't always obvious but they can include:
•constant shivering
•tiredness
•low energy
•cold or pale skin
•fast breathing (hyperventilation)
[Moderate hypothermia]
Moderate cases of hypothermia (generally with a body temperature of 28-32˚C) can include symptoms such as:
•being unable to think or pay attention
•confusion
•loss of judgement and reasoning (someone with hypothermia may decide to remove clothing despite being very cold)
•difficulty moving around
•loss of co-ordination
•drowsiness
•slurred speech
•slow, shallow breathing (hypoventilation)
People with a body temperature of 32˚C or lower will usually stop shivering completely. This is a sign that their condition is deteriorating and emergency medical help is required.
[Severe hypothermia]
The symptoms of severe hypothermia (a body temperature of below 28˚C) can include:
•unconsciousness
•shallow or no breathing
•weak, irregular or no pulse
•dilated pupils
Someone with severe hypothermia may appear to be dead. However, under these circumstances the individual must be taken to hospital to determine whether they have died, or if they are in a state of severe hypothermia. Medical treatment can still be used to resuscitate people with severe hypothermia, although it is often fatal.
Luke has weapons visible on him, so if somebody did see him floating in the water, their intentions might be to rob him and take those weapons from him, so right there you got a motive for breaking the ice and fishing him out. The chances of survival are still incredibly slim even with the cold water slowing down the process of killing those precious braincells, but it's not completely impossible.
...it's that or mermaids.
Shit. I can't believe I missed this riot... I'm obviously not a true fan ;_;
It's ok, you're here now. That means you are a true fan.