Seriously? It's not like GoT could be told in on phrase but whatever. First of all the story is not a soap opera, the show is based on a HUGE series of books, of course you wont get the final satisfaction in the first season. There are many themes, one of the important ones is the growth stories of "cripples, bastards and the broken things" aka characters like Tyrion, Dany, Bran, Jon Snow. It pictures the world of medieval feudalism adding the fantasy. The politics, the unique characters. And if the problem really is that the show is too "soap opera like" then try the books.
Okay, tell me what point have I missed in season one? Explain to me how or what I have apparently missed?
Also, if you don't see how this is like a soap opera, then I think you might want to look the word up.
It's not just that though. It's written and is exactly like a soap opera. There's no point to any of it and it seems to be going on and on i… moren an aimless manner at an incredible slow pace trying to shock you in whatever way it can. I've basically watched the whole of season 1 now and there's no point to it.
No, my opinion is it's setup like a soap opera. We see snippets of people's lives just like a soap opera, but that's where it falls apart. You couldn't possibly get behind any of these people as they're all vile murders. That's essentially the issue with the whole story arc too. Who gets the throne? At the end of it, probably some scumbag.
There is conflict in this, which is what all stories need, but when it's villains vs villains, the effects are nullified due to there being no one you can sympathise with. I'm not saying the good guys have to be squeaky clean of course. You need characters flaws obviously.
No the story is not goodies vs. baddies, black vs. white, so what? The characters are three dimensional, shades of grey. And it's almost impossible to see what could the ending be even if you have read the books so with watching one season it's kinda early to start assuming that "some scumbag" will sit on the throne. Heck, there might not even be the iron throne in the end. And you can't relate to these characters? Well maybe it's because there are no perfect heroes in this story, only realistic personalities. Though for me it's easier to relate to a realistic character who is not perfect and I do find many likeable ones from the story. And if the characters don't feel deep enough in the show, they are deeper in the books.
No, my opinion is it's setup like a soap opera. We see snippets of people's lives just like a soap opera, but that's where it falls apart. Y… moreou couldn't possibly get behind any of these people as they're all vile murders. That's essentially the issue with the whole story arc too. Who gets the throne? At the end of it, probably some scumbag.
There is conflict in this, which is what all stories need, but when it's villains vs villains, the effects are nullified due to there being no one you can sympathise with. I'm not saying the good guys have to be squeaky clean of course. You need characters flaws obviously.
Game of Thrones necessarily isn't about what's right or wrong, who's moral and virtuous and who's immoral and mischievous. It's about survival, a desperate strive to exist in a most wicked, nasty, corrupted, vicious, almost heartless world.
It's a neverending struggle.
But, beneath all that pile of ploy scheming slimes, there is hope which plays a big part. In a lot of ways it represent a world we all live in. And it is supposed to, it is its genius.
Simply calling it a soap opera means you're not really seeing the basis of it.
This all of course it just one way of understanding it.
No, my opinion is it's setup like a soap opera. We see snippets of people's lives just like a soap opera, but that's where it falls apart. Y… moreou couldn't possibly get behind any of these people as they're all vile murders. That's essentially the issue with the whole story arc too. Who gets the throne? At the end of it, probably some scumbag.
There is conflict in this, which is what all stories need, but when it's villains vs villains, the effects are nullified due to there being no one you can sympathise with. I'm not saying the good guys have to be squeaky clean of course. You need characters flaws obviously.
Like I said, they don't need to be squeaky clean and I can't agree with you saying they're three dimensional at all I'm afraid. They're just scum. Just because a couple of characters go misty eyed every now and then (which quickly passes and is forgotten about), doesn't mean they're three dimensional. They'll think tactically about dealing with someone or something like a battle, but that's about it.
Also, if you can "relate" to these characters, then that is very concerning.
No the story is not goodies vs. baddies, black vs. white, so what? The characters are three dimensional, shades of grey. And it's almost imp… moreossible to see what could the ending be even if you have read the books so with watching one season it's kinda early to start assuming that "some scumbag" will sit on the throne. Heck, there might not even be the iron throne in the end. And you can't relate to these characters? Well maybe it's because there are no perfect heroes in this story, only realistic personalities. Though for me it's easier to relate to a realistic character who is not perfect and I do find many likeable ones from the story. And if the characters don't feel deep enough in the show, they are deeper in the books.
If they're is hope it would be nice to see it now and then. The show is very political and I understand that connection, but that doesn't make it good necessarily. Especially when anyone who tries to do the right thing is quickly killed or made to suffer. Its incredibly slow pacing over each episode each just doesn't work for me either.
Game of Thrones necessarily isn't about what's right or wrong, who's moral and virtuous and who's immoral and mischievous. It's about surviv… moreal, a desperate strive to exist in a most wicked, nasty, corrupted, vicious, almost heartless world.
It's a neverending struggle.
But, beneath all that pile of ploy scheming slimes, there is hope which plays a big part. In a lot of ways it represent a world we all live in. And it is supposed to, it is its genius.
Simply calling it a soap opera means you're not really seeing the basis of it.
This all of course it just one way of understanding it.
I would agree that the first season is somewhat slow paced. However, as I've said season one is mostly about that basis of the show. Betrayals happening everywhere, people being deceived.. Ending really is unpleasent and bitter but it all composes a rather interesting plot for later seasons.
Do trust me, it picks up the pace after season one. It's a tough show to get into but when and if you do it becomes quite addictive. Books too actually, however they are somewhat more complicated and ambiguous which creates a lot of room for theories. Which of course is not a bad thing by any means. Another plus if you ask me.
I really do hope some of this helps you appreciate it a tad bit more, and if not then that too is completely fine.
If they're is hope it would be nice to see it now and then. The show is very political and I understand that connection, but that doesn't ma… moreke it good necessarily. Especially when anyone who tries to do the right thing is quickly killed or made to suffer. Its incredibly slow pacing over each episode each just doesn't work for me either.
Yeah for sure. Minor characters disappearing for a while and then showing back up again. And when they do, it's not like this big moment, it's like "Yeah that character was doing stuff just off camera, we name checked him 3 times." People who die aren't forgotten, the show doesn't just move on and drop plotlines. In another show an event like the red wedding would only get brought up a couple times after the season 4 premiere. Where here it just reverberates through multiple plotlines.
I enjoy other shows for what they are. Watching a show slowly find it's identity, world building as they go along, finding a voice for certain characters.
But GOT is on another level, it hit the ground running and feels so deliberate and not improvisational. That sets it apart, and is part of its greatness.
This is what puts me off of most of the shows, they have a good season or two because they did writing and everything with the mindset that … moreit might not get popular and will be canceled so if it gets a fallowing they start to layer up stuff, try to make the stakes higher or introduce new characters or backstory that seems out of place and in the end it usually gets just ridiculous. In GoT everything is connected, something that happened in first season might be relevant or referenced in 4th. That is what makes this show/books great.
When I say I can relate to these characters I don't really mean every single one of them, I wonder what kind of character would it have to be if there is no one in GoT you can relate to. But at the same time even with the more "bad" characters there are reasons brought why they are who they are, especially in the books. And of course many of the characters may seem distant and 2d if you only watch one season of the tv show...
Like I said, they don't need to be squeaky clean and I can't agree with you saying they're three dimensional at all I'm afraid. They're just… more scum. Just because a couple of characters go misty eyed every now and then (which quickly passes and is forgotten about), doesn't mean they're three dimensional. They'll think tactically about dealing with someone or something like a battle, but that's about it.
Also, if you can "relate" to these characters, then that is very concerning.
For many people this is exactly what's appealing about Game of Thrones. The fact that none of the characters are clean, good guys the protagonists usually are. And no, the characters are definitely not all "scum". It simply shows people living in a harsh and unforgiving world and what the world makes of such people. It's up to you to find a character you can relate to, of course, but that's part of the fun. See, why I love discussing GoT with my friends is because every person has his own favorites for different reasons. That just shows the diversity of the characters and their personalities. And if you just write everyone off as "scum", then I don't know what kind of perfect dream world you live in, but it sure ain't the same one I'm in.
Like I said, they don't need to be squeaky clean and I can't agree with you saying they're three dimensional at all I'm afraid. They're just… more scum. Just because a couple of characters go misty eyed every now and then (which quickly passes and is forgotten about), doesn't mean they're three dimensional. They'll think tactically about dealing with someone or something like a battle, but that's about it.
Also, if you can "relate" to these characters, then that is very concerning.
They're not all as bad as each other. Jon Snow is orders of magnitude more virtuous than Cersei Lannister. The point is that they are all flawed. They are all human. No one is perfect; all have their vices. But some try to overcome (Theon) while others revel in their own depravity. This is the main lesson of GoT/ASOIAF, I believe: What do honor and virtue mean in a world that doesn't seem to care about these things, and will punish you for committing yourself to them?
Then you're interpreting it wrong.
Also, you find it irritating when someone doesn't see the point after an entire season? That's slightl… morey odd. Fair enough if it was one episode, but entire season? That's 10 episodes (10 hours) and nothing to make me think about what I've just watched. One scumbag kills another. Boo hoo.
Yes, it has the conflict of a great story, but it lacks any substance and reason for me to care who dies as they're all as bad as each other.
Actually, i love all characters in the game. And world is not white and black. You don't have good vs bad people. Everyone has flaws, this is WAR we are talking about it is not villian vs villian. There are both sides to the story of every war.
No, my opinion is it's setup like a soap opera. We see snippets of people's lives just like a soap opera, but that's where it falls apart. Y… moreou couldn't possibly get behind any of these people as they're all vile murders. That's essentially the issue with the whole story arc too. Who gets the throne? At the end of it, probably some scumbag.
There is conflict in this, which is what all stories need, but when it's villains vs villains, the effects are nullified due to there being no one you can sympathise with. I'm not saying the good guys have to be squeaky clean of course. You need characters flaws obviously.
Oh and BTW when a TV series is good vs bad that actually IS a soap opera. Because there aren't purely good and purely evill persons in real life.
If you were a warrior for one house would you say i don't want to fight it isn't nice so i don't to be a part of the war? Because in that era you would die if you say something like this.
No, my opinion is it's setup like a soap opera. We see snippets of people's lives just like a soap opera, but that's where it falls apart. Y… moreou couldn't possibly get behind any of these people as they're all vile murders. That's essentially the issue with the whole story arc too. Who gets the throne? At the end of it, probably some scumbag.
There is conflict in this, which is what all stories need, but when it's villains vs villains, the effects are nullified due to there being no one you can sympathise with. I'm not saying the good guys have to be squeaky clean of course. You need characters flaws obviously.
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Seriously? It's not like GoT could be told in on phrase but whatever. First of all the story is not a soap opera, the show is based on a HUGE series of books, of course you wont get the final satisfaction in the first season. There are many themes, one of the important ones is the growth stories of "cripples, bastards and the broken things" aka characters like Tyrion, Dany, Bran, Jon Snow. It pictures the world of medieval feudalism adding the fantasy. The politics, the unique characters. And if the problem really is that the show is too "soap opera like" then try the books.
You can go to imdb and see that it isn't a soap opera. That IS the fact. Okay, your opinion is that it looks like soap opera.
No, my opinion is it's setup like a soap opera. We see snippets of people's lives just like a soap opera, but that's where it falls apart. You couldn't possibly get behind any of these people as they're all vile murders. That's essentially the issue with the whole story arc too. Who gets the throne? At the end of it, probably some scumbag.
There is conflict in this, which is what all stories need, but when it's villains vs villains, the effects are nullified due to there being no one you can sympathise with. I'm not saying the good guys have to be squeaky clean of course. You need characters flaws obviously.
No the story is not goodies vs. baddies, black vs. white, so what? The characters are three dimensional, shades of grey. And it's almost impossible to see what could the ending be even if you have read the books so with watching one season it's kinda early to start assuming that "some scumbag" will sit on the throne. Heck, there might not even be the iron throne in the end. And you can't relate to these characters? Well maybe it's because there are no perfect heroes in this story, only realistic personalities. Though for me it's easier to relate to a realistic character who is not perfect and I do find many likeable ones from the story. And if the characters don't feel deep enough in the show, they are deeper in the books.
Game of Thrones necessarily isn't about what's right or wrong, who's moral and virtuous and who's immoral and mischievous. It's about survival, a desperate strive to exist in a most wicked, nasty, corrupted, vicious, almost heartless world.
It's a neverending struggle.
But, beneath all that pile of ploy scheming slimes, there is hope which plays a big part. In a lot of ways it represent a world we all live in. And it is supposed to, it is its genius.
Simply calling it a soap opera means you're not really seeing the basis of it.
This all of course it just one way of understanding it.
Yeah I agree
It's the most pirated/(illegally) downloaded show online anyway. :P
Like I said, they don't need to be squeaky clean and I can't agree with you saying they're three dimensional at all I'm afraid. They're just scum. Just because a couple of characters go misty eyed every now and then (which quickly passes and is forgotten about), doesn't mean they're three dimensional. They'll think tactically about dealing with someone or something like a battle, but that's about it.
Also, if you can "relate" to these characters, then that is very concerning.
If they're is hope it would be nice to see it now and then. The show is very political and I understand that connection, but that doesn't make it good necessarily. Especially when anyone who tries to do the right thing is quickly killed or made to suffer. Its incredibly slow pacing over each episode each just doesn't work for me either.
I would agree that the first season is somewhat slow paced. However, as I've said season one is mostly about that basis of the show. Betrayals happening everywhere, people being deceived.. Ending really is unpleasent and bitter but it all composes a rather interesting plot for later seasons.
Do trust me, it picks up the pace after season one. It's a tough show to get into but when and if you do it becomes quite addictive. Books too actually, however they are somewhat more complicated and ambiguous which creates a lot of room for theories. Which of course is not a bad thing by any means. Another plus if you ask me.
I really do hope some of this helps you appreciate it a tad bit more, and if not then that too is completely fine.
Yeah for sure. Minor characters disappearing for a while and then showing back up again. And when they do, it's not like this big moment, it's like "Yeah that character was doing stuff just off camera, we name checked him 3 times." People who die aren't forgotten, the show doesn't just move on and drop plotlines. In another show an event like the red wedding would only get brought up a couple times after the season 4 premiere. Where here it just reverberates through multiple plotlines.
I enjoy other shows for what they are. Watching a show slowly find it's identity, world building as they go along, finding a voice for certain characters.
But GOT is on another level, it hit the ground running and feels so deliberate and not improvisational. That sets it apart, and is part of its greatness.
When I say I can relate to these characters I don't really mean every single one of them, I wonder what kind of character would it have to be if there is no one in GoT you can relate to. But at the same time even with the more "bad" characters there are reasons brought why they are who they are, especially in the books. And of course many of the characters may seem distant and 2d if you only watch one season of the tv show...
For many people this is exactly what's appealing about Game of Thrones. The fact that none of the characters are clean, good guys the protagonists usually are. And no, the characters are definitely not all "scum". It simply shows people living in a harsh and unforgiving world and what the world makes of such people. It's up to you to find a character you can relate to, of course, but that's part of the fun. See, why I love discussing GoT with my friends is because every person has his own favorites for different reasons. That just shows the diversity of the characters and their personalities. And if you just write everyone off as "scum", then I don't know what kind of perfect dream world you live in, but it sure ain't the same one I'm in.
They're not all as bad as each other. Jon Snow is orders of magnitude more virtuous than Cersei Lannister. The point is that they are all flawed. They are all human. No one is perfect; all have their vices. But some try to overcome (Theon) while others revel in their own depravity. This is the main lesson of GoT/ASOIAF, I believe: What do honor and virtue mean in a world that doesn't seem to care about these things, and will punish you for committing yourself to them?
Actually, i love all characters in the game. And world is not white and black. You don't have good vs bad people. Everyone has flaws, this is WAR we are talking about it is not villian vs villian. There are both sides to the story of every war.
But fine, you can have your opinion.
Oh and BTW when a TV series is good vs bad that actually IS a soap opera. Because there aren't purely good and purely evill persons in real life.
If you were a warrior for one house would you say i don't want to fight it isn't nice so i don't to be a part of the war? Because in that era you would die if you say something like this.