Season 2 villain?
For those who don't know what happened at the end of Season 1, here's a quick recap of the most likely theory: Faith was Nerissa all slong and Nerissa had been glamoured to look like Faith to cover for her with the Woodsman. If you want a full description, I suggest you check out some of the other threads. The major concern of this thread is who will replace the Crooked Man in season 2, and after mulling it over for a bit I think I have at least the start of a theory.
The theory goes that Faith grabbed Bigby's attention by puposly meeting him (when she fights with the woodsman) and then she glamoured a dead Nerissa as herself to start Bigby's quest to find and get rid of the Crooked Man. My reasoning for this is that its very coincidental that a girl Bigby only just met a bit ago winds up dead so soon after.
By grabbing Bigby's attention, she starts a ball rolling that leads to the death of the Crooked Man- and leaves a spot vacant for a new villain to rise. In order to do this, not only did she get the attention of Bigby but she must have also been working with Bloody Mary. At the end of the Bigby-bloody mary fight the last Mary shatters like the rest, which indicates to me that she is still alive. However, she doesnt conti ue the fight snd she doesnt try to stop Bigby taking the Crooked Man and later disposing of him. That reinforces the theory that she was working secretly against the Crooked Man, and after the events throughout the series (if the theory of faith being glamoured as Nerissa is true) then she must have been working with Faith to start of the string of events leading to the demise of the Crooked Man. As i said, its only a theory in the making and probably has millions of flaws so feel free to rip this theory apart.
An alternative version to this theory could be that Bloody Mary herself was Faith at the beginning and Nerrisa all throughout- none of the characters ever appear together, which makes it possible that one person could have been both Faith and Nerissa. This would mean that she wanted Bigby to get rid of the Crooked Man, but this makes no sens since she could've done that herself. Why involve Bigby, unless you want him to join you?
Again, this is a theory in the making, but i find it pretty interesting and the second one does make sense. Anyone agree/disagree?
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Not sure that Bloody Mary was secretly working against the CM. If she was, I'm sure she would blow her cover as soon as the CM told her to fight the God of Wolves (unless she had a backup plan to escape, then you might be right)
Also, sort of off topic but we have a thread to guess/speculate on villains in a possible S2 if you wanted to post any future ideas in their or copy paste this one into that: http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/87299/what-new-villains-would-you-like-to-see-in-twau-season-2
Honestly speaking, every theory presuming that Bloody Mary is still alive is a good theory for me. I really do hope she will be involved in Season 2 somehow, not even necessarily as a villain, so, yeah, I'm 100% with you on what you're suggesting, OP.
The second theory does indeed make sense, considering that there's quite a lot of interesting details indicating that Faith and Nerissa were the same person all the way from the beginning (the most obvious one) and also that it might be actually Bloody Mary glamoured as them in order to spy on Bigby as he investigates the case. Although, I'm not too sure that she had been following the scheme of betraying the Crooked Man from the start, mainly because her defeat in that fight with Bigby seemed more like a real one to me, rather than initially planned and faked, even though I strongly believe she didn't die. There's actually some interesting details encountered throughout the game hinting on possible reliability of this theory, such as these:
We can see Mary performing the same goodbye gesture all three girls (Mary, Nerissa and Faith) gave Bigby in different episodes. Knowing Telltale and TWAU universe particularly, it may lead to anything.
The other one is not so well-known and is discovered by me personally, when I was replaying Wolf. If you pay close attention to Nerissa (her hair, to be exact) you can notice a small, but very curious and intriguing detail. Nerissa in Episodes 2-4:
Nerissa and Bloody Mary in Episode 5:
Now look, the flower, that Nerissa ALWAYS had in her hair is now missing, and it was located on the same spot where Mary's shard she pulled out was! Interesting, huh?
All in all, I think we can all agree that The Wolf Among Us leaves us completely mind-fucked by the end of it, and speculating about the game's events is pretty much everything we can do for now, at least until them Telltalers decide we've suffered enough and release a Season 2. As for me, I think I'm gonna stick with the theory I talked about.
And yeah,
This is the best part. I must say, I secretly dream about something like this actually happening in the game, lmao.
Oh, sorry. Thanks for telling me.
The two picture you just posted have near enough confirmed that Bloody Mary was both of them in my mind now! Would have never noticed that, thanks for sharing them!
As I said, is a theory in the making and its likely that Bloody Mary wasn't betraying the Crooked Man- but to me, the fight wasn't that realistic. I mean, if she REALLY wanted to kill him she could've multiplied herself continuously till there were too many for Bigby to take on. The way the fights suddenly ends, without Bloody Mary dying, just raises my suspicions. She made sure she didn't die (we never saw her die, only the replicas get smashed) and then she did nothing to stop Bigby taking the Crooked Man away. Plus, personally, she seems like the kind of character to double cross people and in my mind the Crooked Man was wrong to trust her- she's uncontrollable, and will be no ones servant. Although the Crooked Man was made out to be the main villain, I think Bloody Mary will evolve into the entire games main villain, since she poses a lot more of a threat than the Crooked Man who, though clever and brutal, is no fighter like Mary and Bigby.
So you want Mary and Bigby to join up? I usually favour bad guys (in the Walking Dead for example, I'm a bit of a fan of Carver (as my profile name suggests)), but I really hate Mary so I hope (and assume) that will never happen.
Well, to tell you the truth, I don't think Mary was intending to kill Bigby either. Just the fact she fights him using her natural powers instead of just unloading a couple of silver bullets into him, againsts which Bigby is completely defenseless, already gives enough reason to be suspicious about this fight. Thus, when I said that the fight seemed convincing to me, I actually just meant Mary didn't know for sure if she can defeat The Big Bad Wolf, and losing the battle wasn't part of her plan. She seemed pretty desperate to me in the end of it, why else would she pull out her shard then? My personal view on this whole encounter is in fact really unpopular, but I would prefer not to go into details and just say that - yeah - I do think it's still totally unclear.
As for me, Bloody Mary is, on the contrary, one of my favorite video game characters of ALL time. I totally loved her concept and feel like she hadn't got enough screentime, this is also partly why I want her in Season 2. And the suggestion about her joining up with Bigby... Of course this will never happen, since it'll intolerably confront the official canon, but that's not exactly what I was suggesting. The matter is, I do in all seriousness ship BloodyMaryxBigby. Yeah, yeah, I know how it might sound at first, no need to look at me like that. XD But I have my reasons for it, and I'm basing my view exclusively on my own remarks and conclusions. There's actually quite a lot I can say on this topic, and if you'll want me to (which I doubt, lol), you can PM me and I'll explain my point in details.
That would have been interesting about the flower but you can see that Nerissa had the flower in her hair when they were in the witching well chamber
Yeah, I see you're right. This actually made me feel sad a little, it could've been such an interesting hidden hint. Oh well, there is still possibility that this theory might be true.
Yeah definitely, like the hand sign they both did lets hope we get to have a season 2 so we can see
I hope to see Bloody Mary return, but more as an anti-hero than an outright villain. I'd love to see her become a reluctant ally for Bigby. Of course, it'd be hard for Telltale to pull that character shift off without "defanging" Bloody Mary.
Fair does. When I say I hate Bloody Mary, it's not because she's badly written or anything- in fact, Telltale have got it spot on. But if you like her and Bigby than I don't judge you one bit- if I'm honest, I thought Carver and Clementine were a good team, and if I'd had the choice I'd have definitely have stayed alongside Carver (just because I am a fan of Eviltine >
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Oh, so it was just a coincidence? Damn, I was getting excited. That's a shame, but I still think Bloody Mary will turn out to be Faith and Lilly glamoured.
I think that role of the reluctant ally has been taken by Woody, who (if I'm honest) I'd like to see have a bigger part in the next season. Still, interesting suggestion.
Slenderman would make a nice villain.
No. Just... No
I second that. It would be sort of cool, but it wouldn't make sense. Plus, having Slender as a villain would be WAY to overpowered.
On the subject of villains, there's also a lot of theories around that there is a second witch, not Aunty Greenleaf. Anyone think that is possible?
Yeah, that'd be interesting. It would be more interesting if Greenleaf herself turned out to be the bad witch.
There are other ways to get glamours, so theres always a chance.
A S2 that revolves directly on revenge would be sweet. Greenleaf, Jersey, Tweedle(s), and BM getting together to try to kill Bigby = Instant Buy
True, but if you destroy her tree then wouldn't that rule her out? Or will there be a plot twist and she can do Glamour's and stuff without the tree (assuming you destroy it)?
It would only make sense that the Fable comes from a storybook or an old myth/legend/folktale. Slenderman was born from the Internet so imo it shouldn't exist in Fables at all!
True.
What if we're talking about something worse than producing Glamours? Bad witch has to be real bad.
Maybe. My problem with the whole witch theory is that there isn't actually much evidence to back it up
I haven't yet heard this theory, can anyone explain it real quick plz? Also, what Witch could possibly be badder than Frau Totenkinder or Baba Yaga!?
She shatters like the rest, sure, but it also made a point to zoom in on the "last" one's head and face. Not so with the first dozen(s)
I think Telltale just did that to make the player think that she is dead. It would be a terrible move to kill her off, and plus there is a of evidence that suggests she is alive.
Not to mention that TheZorkij, myself and several others on this site will die if she isn't in Season 2...
I think it's because the face is smiling, giving the impression that something isn't right (That's the feeling that I got when I first played Ep 5)
^^^^ A million times this. Our further well-being is henceforth in direct dependence on this ambiguous situation's outcome. We need this particular lady in Season 2, or else our bodies will cease to function.
The only "evidence" that suggests Bloody Mary is alive is the assumption that Bigby just destroyed another clone in the end
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Hardly. If you look close enough, you'll see there are indeed a lot of details pointing out that she can be alive.
E.g., as I wrote here before, there are strong grounds for believing that killing Bigby was not Mary's genuine intention, and therefore she could actually get away. As far as I can tell from her menacing, but somewhat playful way of acting, for her the entire confrontation with Bigby was a game of some sort, and she also never uses silver bullets again after the encounter in the alley. The following statement is subjective, but I've always felt like she had an obsession with the image of The Big Bad Wolf, which is why I think she made sure they both survive so that she could continue following him around creepily. Plus, she's got the ability to use ANY reflective surface as a portal, and there was plenty of those at the foundry, there goes another reason why she couldn't die in that fight. Also, if the last copy was still the real one, there are no guarantees she can't recreate herself back somehow.
Nevertheless, everything above is just my speculation, but speaking of real hints, there was a moment in the end of the game when Bigby rubs his eye, the very eye Mary tried to poke with her shard. This is what I call intriguing. Also, never forget the resemblance between her and Aunty Greenleaf's daughter. Something tells me it's definitely not a coincidence, and it may lead to some unexpected revelations in future. If everything I've listed here is not a whole bunch of evidences, then what is this?
Geppetto, also known as the Adversary. Geppetto is one of the main antagonists of the Fables series.
This is a comic reference; but I think Rachel kinda looks like Snow and Bigby's eldest daughter Winter... TWAU has A LOT of foreshadowing and Rachel does look like Winter in a way, but for the sake of this thred: Yes, she does resemble Mary...
Btw Zorkij (not sure if you're still reading my story) but I put the 'Bigby rubbing his eye' moment in my fanfic as: Mary managed to get some glass in there and she rips it out of him with magic to become 'complete' again!
Maybe, you probably know better, cuz I've read only first few issues so far, and therefore I'm not that familiar with the comic. However, I would appreciate if you could provide a pic or something. As for the "Mary is Rachel" theory, this one seems pretty believable, if you ask me. Just look at the pictures, they clearly look alike... or maybe I should say completely similar. Seriously now, the eyes, eyebrows, skin tone, freckles, cheekbones, hair color- honestly, I'm 99,(9)% certain they will turn out to be the same person at some point. And if it's true, it actually increases the possibility of Mary's return in Season 2, which is surely encouraging.
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As for your story, hey don't even worry man, I'm used to finishing EVERY literary work I start on, one way or another. Especially if we're talking of good ones, such as your story. I'm currently in the middle of Act 1, but I gotta say I'm already hyped and eager to see what comes next. To tell you the truth, I don't read in English too often, but it doesn't reject me from doing this now in no case - on the contrary, I'd say it only heightens the anticipation. Basically, yeah, I like it so far, and it already makes me look forward to seeing a whole fanfic dedicated to BM from you, though I'm not too sure if you were serious about this, lol.
By the by, Hazza, if you don't mind me speaking freely about this... I must say it was kinda painful to read the part where Mary gets brutally beaten by Bigby... in all honesty. I understand everything and don't judge you one bit, but, it's just that... You know how I feel about... sigh Never mind, sorry. I'm just saying it felt... uncomfortable. But it's not your fault, it's all mine... I guess I'm taking fiction way too close to heart, and it often causes me to act immature. But I can't help myself, this is just the way I am.
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Thanks so much for the feedback dude! I would appreciate if you could leave some reviews on the chapters, sign your name as Zorkij or something like that, I love hearing ppl's opinions on my work. Don't worry about BM, she kinda gets pushed to one side until the end of the Act (tbh I really don't know WHAT to do with her... any ideas from a fan like you?)
The BM fanfic WILL happen, I just need a point to start on and work from there. It will be written to your absolute specification of pure BM love
For my first fanfic, it has been getting a lot of good feedback, which is surprising considering how LOOOOOONG this story will be (3 Acts, probably over 50 chapters total...) But I really appreciate that you're reading it, even if it is in English...
I'm sorry, I never meant to sound like I'm complaining or something. Please, don't get me wrong, the language makes absolutely no difference to me, if a literary work is truly well-written. Reading in a native language just appears to be a little more convenient, or habitual, properly speaking, but, nevertheless, I'm always open for widening my outlook, and reading your story was nothing but pleasure, so, don't you worry man, it doesn't discommode me at all.
That is truly awesome to hear dude, for real. Look, I want you to know that I greatly appreciate what you're doing for me, can't believe you're starting an all new story just because of me and that weird speech I posted back in the day. You have no idea how much it matters to me, thank you so much, bruh.
I've actually got some ideas, but I'm kinda occupied right now, so I would prefer to give you a shout through a PM some time later, when I catch up a little bit, in order to state what's on my mind more circumstantially. And yeah, no probs, I'll leave some feedback soon. Again, it was awesome news that a BM love fic is coming. Thanks so much, Hazza, you're hell of a great dude. Take care.
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I find it easier to get back on track with the story after I've written some one shots or started other stories on the side. A BM love fic would really expand my wiriting and, hell, I'll love it just as much!
I haven't updated in 10 days now and my newest chapter is sort of done, but I'm not satisfied with it and I don't know why... (Pretty sure I have Writer's block or maybe I'm just being lazy)
Two characters have freckles?
Wow.
Two people who have freckles must be either cousins or siblings. No wait that's false.