Yes, I'm a Christian. I believe it is wrong to murder people, and to kill others solely for revenge. But I believe it is just to kill in order to protect the innocents from harm, and to deter future tragic incidents. And I believe because life is so precious, that the moment you selfishly take an innocent life in such a heinous and malicious way you forfeit your own right to life.
"Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image." - Genesis 9:6.
Not to open up a can of worms, but I'm curious as to how killing prisoners interacts with your faith that is based around forgiveness and rehabilitation?
(If you are indeed a Christian, I can't quite remember if you are or if that's someone else).
Hell no! I would not have my spot in the first colony taken by a fucking rapist. That mission is way to monumental and changing to be left to a group of heathens.
More like test subjects. We have to find out what kind of things human beings would face by living on another world. Who knows what unattended consequences we would have.
My friend you have no idea what happens behind doors. You have no idea about what goes on during war besides what the media tells you. The bias media, that decides what you see, how you see it, when you see it, or if you see it at all. You are in the shadows.
As my favorite DS told me, "Know what you're fighting for."
Oh, so America's troops condones the beheading of innocents, and partakes in it in the name of their god? American condones and partakes in … morethe use of children and women alike as human shields? American soldiers believe that sacrificing themselves in suicidal bombings is just, and that will somehow get them into Heaven where they will be rewarded in virgins? That it's ok to rape and murder kids/women if it's in the name of their god? That publicly killing people for having different religions is ok? Because American soldiers and Terrorists are interchangeable right? Seriously, stop talking.
Are you claiming to know everything that goes on in the military then, as though you have eyes and ears on the inside informing you of everything that happens? You are beginning to sound absurd. And as for all the points I listed in my previous post, I sincerely would like to know what instances you speak of where America condones and partakes in such acts. It is incredibly disconcerting to know that you replied to my initial comment about Corporal Punishment in what looks like defense of Terrorists.
My friend you have no idea what happens behind doors. You have no idea about what goes on during war besides what the media tells you. The b… moreias media, that decides what you see, how you see it, when you see it, or if you see it at all. You are in the shadows.
As my favorite DS told me, "Know what you're fighting for."
I never claimed anything like that. Do your research. A few Google searches will lend you many proofs of horrible acts, therefore I don't find it necessary to list them. I'm not in defense of terrorism, in any form. The fact you believe I have insinuated this is concerning. Either your powers of interpretation are excessively bad or you're trying to find reasons I'm bad simply because I found falsity in your post.
Are you claiming to know everything that goes on in the military then, as though you have eyes and ears on the inside informing you of every… morething that happens? You are beginning to sound absurd. And as for all the points I listed in my previous post, I sincerely would like to know what instances you speak of where America condones and partakes in such acts. It is incredibly disconcerting to know that you replied to my initial comment about Corporal Punishment in what looks like defense of Terrorists.
What I'm saying is that you clearly don't have such connections on the inside, so you have no basis to claim that I don't have any idea what I'm talking about, nor that you know more about the matter than I do. And I never said that the military was full of saints, but the specific acts I listed that Terrorists commit are the lowest of the low, and America does not condone or partake in them. That was the point I was making. I only insinuate that you are defending them because of the manner in which you replied to my reasoning behind my stance on Corporal Punishment. I said that I don't have sympathy for terrorists who kill people in fucked up ways to further their fucked up agenda. You then say that all armies do that, which leads me to believe that you are saying that because everyone supposedly does those fucked up things that I shouldn't fault Terrorists as much as I do. I'm not sure what else you could be implying. If I have misinterpreted your comment, then I apologize.
I never claimed anything like that. Do your research. A few Google searches will lend you many proofs of horrible acts, therefore I don't fi… morend it necessary to list them. I'm not in defense of terrorism, in any form. The fact you believe I have insinuated this is concerning. Either your powers of interpretation are excessively bad or you're trying to find reasons I'm bad simply because I found falsity in your post.
I think the death penalty misses the point of punishment, which is intended to be rehabilitative.
I had more or less planned to just… more float around in this topic without giving my own insight on the issue, but I don't really understand your personal reasoning for this particular line of thought. The purpose of rehabilitation is for the reintegration of a criminal back into society. It's to help prevent further crime; it's not meant as some sort of personal benefit for the criminal. With that said, rapists, sex offenders, and murderers should not be let back into society. Therefore, the idea of giving these criminals the benefit of personal rehabilitation is pointless to what the justice system is trying to accomplish. The death penalty doesn't miss the point at all.
There is the argument that all soldiers are murderers, but that is far too liberal a discussion to take place on a right wing fundie forum such as this.
My husband having to shoot someone who was about to shoot him when he was a soldier was not murder.
Right, give a soldier permission… more, justify the reasons and suddenly murder becomes acceptable.
I understand that if your husband didn't shoot his attacker while on active duty, he'd be dead, but this actually doesn't stop this from being a murder. It's simply more justified, since it's self-defense, but still.
I was thinking of giving my take on that, but it really doesn't matter at all as it doesn't take away from the point I was making. Murderers, AKA the main recipients of the death penalty to begin with, are not going to be reintegrated into society. So again, the death penalty really isn't defeating the purpose of the justice system at all.
Why should sex offenders not be let back into society when they have been rehabilitated?
Do you think that, say, a 14 year old rapist sho… moreuld be imprisoned for life? Yes? No? Why/Why not?
What about an 8 year old rapist?
If rapists cannot be reintegrated and reeducated, then why should we let children who have raped back into society?
I don't think killing in self-defense is murder.
There is the argument that all soldiers are murderers, but that is far too liberal a discussion to take place on a right wing fundie forum such as this.
But you didn't list specific events to begin with. Your basing your justification on something you said later, to which I never denounced or found problematic. Though chances are you would find acts commited by any army as heinous as the ones you attribute to terrorists, though probably not as numerous.
The manner in which I replied to you was one of objectivity. You find it okay to torture the people who commit heinous acts on us, yet when we commit heinous acts on them you would chalk it up to patriotism in the form of blissful ignorance. I have no doubt that after a certain military forced dropped a certain little bomb on a certain little island that the inhabitants of that country viewed the attackers as disgusting monsters willing to do anything to advance their monstrous agenda. Why don't you view it as such? Biasness. Knowledge is power. Understanding is knowledge.
What I'm saying is that you clearly don't have such connections on the inside, so you have no basis to claim that I don't have any idea what… more I'm talking about, nor that you know more about the matter than I do. And I never said that the military was full of saints, but the specific acts I listed that Terrorists commit are the lowest of the low, and America does not condone or partake in them. That was the point I was making. I only insinuate that you are defending them because of the manner in which you replied to my reasoning behind my stance on Corporal Punishment. I said that I don't have sympathy for terrorists who kill people in fucked up ways to further their fucked up agenda. You then say that all armies do that, which leads me to believe that you are saying that because everyone supposedly does those fucked up things that I shouldn't fault Terrorists as much as I do. I'm not sure what else you could be implying. If I have misinterpreted your comment, then I apologize.
I'm against the death penalty. I feel that if you sentence a murderer to death then its kind of hypocritical. I think life imprisonment would be a way harsher punishment, let them rot and think about what they've done for the rest of their lives.
Acts. I listed acts that terrorists have committed, and are committing currently. We have the body count as well as the video/photographic evidence to prove it. As you told me, do your research.
We're starting to get off topic, but oh well. You're talking about Hiroshima right? We were at war with Japan, we dropped that bomb to end the war as quickly as possible, there would have been far more casualties had we not used the atomic bomb. Don't forget, Japan had declared that if the US invaded Japan they would face an army of 100 million. It was cruel, but necessary. If by biased you mean prioritizing our country's citizens above others, then of course I am. We should always put the safety of our citizens above others, putting other countries before ours, and acting like martyrs does not keep us safe from the enemy. Again, America is not intentionally going around taking innocent hostages and beheading them on camera (something that Terrorists have done in the last couple of weeks mind you). The military doesn't resort to violence out of the malice in their hearts. It is done out of necessity to protect our people.
But you didn't list specific events to begin with. Your basing your justification on something you said later, to which I never denounced or… more found problematic. Though chances are you would find acts commited by any army as heinous as the ones you attribute to terrorists, though probably not as numerous.
The manner in which I replied to you was one of objectivity. You find it okay to torture the people who commit heinous acts on us, yet when we commit heinous acts on them you would chalk it up to patriotism in the form of blissful ignorance. I have no doubt that after a certain military forced dropped a certain little bomb on a certain little island that the inhabitants of that country viewed the attackers as disgusting monsters willing to do anything to advance their monstrous agenda. Why don't you view it as such? Biasness. Knowledge is power. Understanding is knowledge.
So the first part of your post has no relevance. You listed them after the fact and I did... I already said all this...
Your remarks about dropping the atomic bomb are as bias as I would have expected. Which brings us back to the manner, and reason, to which I responded in the first place. As for the last part of your post regarding other armies (America in particular) doing for the sole purpose of protecting our people? Shadows all around you.
A quote comes to mind. Though it may not be from masterful tactician from the far reaches of the world it's still powerful and true.
In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then in that very moment I also love him. I think it’s impossible to really understand somebody, what they want, what they believe, and not love them the way they love themselves. And then, in that very moment when I love them.... I destroy them.
Acts. I listed acts that terrorists have committed, and are committing currently. We have the body count as well as the video/photographic e… morevidence to prove it. As you told me, do your research.
We're starting to get off topic, but oh well. You're talking about Hiroshima right? We were at war with Japan, we dropped that bomb to end the war as quickly as possible, there would have been far more casualties had we not used the atomic bomb. Don't forget, Japan had declared that if the US invaded Japan they would face an army of 100 million. It was cruel, but necessary. If by biased you mean prioritizing our country's citizens above others, then of course I am. We should always put the safety of our citizens above others, putting other countries before ours, and acting like martyrs does not keep us safe from the enemy. Again, America is not intentionally going around taking innocent hostages and beheading them on camera (something that Terroris… [view original content]
What are you even talking about? One more time, I said I have no sympathy for Terrorists who kill people in fucked up ways to further their fucked up agenda. I then listed several fucked up things that terrorists are doing currently to support my first statement. How isn't that relevant to my initial post?
I'm biased because I understand why my country made a difficult decision to drop a bomb to end a war that happened decades ago, and for overall supporting the military who protects us from outside threats. I'm biased because I despise the people who are murdering innocents on camera/using them as human shields/raping women and children in the name of their god with the purpose of scaring people into submission. Right. This conversation is going nowhere.
So the first part of your post has no relevance. You listed them after the fact and I did... I already said all this...
Your remarks abou… moret dropping the atomic bomb are as bias as I would have expected. Which brings us back to the manner, and reason, to which I responded in the first place. As for the last part of your post regarding other armies (America in particular) doing for the sole purpose of protecting our people? Shadows all around you.
A quote comes to mind. Though it may not be from masterful tactician from the far reaches of the world it's still powerful and true.
In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then in that very moment I also love him. I think it’s impossible to really understand somebody, what they want, what they believe, and not love them the way they love themselves. And then, in that very moment when I love them.... I destroy them.
What are you even talking about? One more time, I said I have no sympathy for Terrorists who kill people in fucked up ways to further their … morefucked up agenda. I then listed several fucked up things that terrorists are doing currently to support my first statement. How isn't that relevant to my initial post?
I'm biased because I understand why my country made a difficult decision to drop a bomb to end a war that happened decades ago, and for overall supporting the military who protects us from outside threats. I'm biased because I despise the people who are murdering innocents on camera/using them as human shields/raping women and children in the name of their god with the purpose of scaring people into submission. Right. This conversation is going nowhere.
Repeating yourself doesn't help. I'm not the one lost in the conversation. I've already addressed these points.
Obviously it's going nowh… moreere. You're circularly
arguing points previously covered and not understand the new ones.
So have a good night.
PS. The passive-aggressive stance right off the rip does not indicate the start to a worthwhile discussion. You may want to work on that.
Not to open up a can of worms, but I'm curious as to how killing prisoners interacts with your faith that is based around forgiveness and rehabilitation?
(If you are indeed a Christian, I can't quite remember if you are or if that's someone else).
If none of you aren't willing to kill or torture those people yourselves, shut the fuck up. If you are, then you aren't "good" like you all claim to be or any different from them.
"...people who are more than willing to kill thousands of innocents in the most fucked up kind of way to further their equally fucked up agenda." (<---- bolded for emphasis)
To which you replied: "You do realize that is every army, ever. Right?"
Did you not see the whole second part of her sentence? I suppose she didn't really elaborate in detail, but it really wasn't needed because of the context. I thought it was clear that she was specifically talking about actions of terrorism... as in purposely targeting and killing innocent victims for the purpose of spreading fear/ pushing their violent and intolerant agenda/ whatever else you may want to relate to terrorism. So basically, in your original statement there, you had said that every army acts through this kind of terrorism... whether that was unintentional or based on you misreading/ missing the point or not. The WWII comparison you brought up doesn't make much sense to me either, as the intentions behind the bombings aren't really even comparable to the ideals and intentions behind terrorism. And I mean... is it really even a relevant example to modern America anyway..?
Anyway, not to keep the conversation going or anything, I just thought I would help you get on the same page.
Repeating yourself doesn't help. I'm not the one lost in the conversation. I've already addressed these points.
Obviously it's going nowh… moreere. You're circularly
arguing points previously covered and not understand the new ones.
So have a good night.
PS. The passive-aggressive stance right off the rip does not indicate the start to a worthwhile discussion. You may want to work on that.
Perspective. You're shielded from our uses of fear because that would be viewed as stooping to their level.
Is torturing a probable terrorist different than them torturing an American soldier? Even the outcome is relatively the same, to further the cause. Theirs is driven by religion on the small man level and power on the higher up. Ours is driven by patriotism on the small man level and power on the higher up. The most major difference is the secrecy used.
"...people who are more than willing to kill thousands of innocents in the most fucked up kind of way to further their equally fucked up age… morenda." (<---- bolded for emphasis)
To which you replied: "You do realize that is every army, ever. Right?"
Did you not see the whole second part of her sentence? I suppose she didn't really elaborate in detail, but it really wasn't needed because of the context. I thought it was clear that she was specifically talking about actions of terrorism... as in purposely targeting and killing innocent victims for the purpose of spreading fear/ pushing their violent and intolerant agenda/ whatever else you may want to relate to terrorism. So basically, in your original statement there, you had said that every army acts through this kind of terrorism... whether that was unintentional or based on you misreading/ missing the point or not. The WWII comparison you brought up doesn't make much sense to me either… [view original content]
Trust me , you don't want to live on mars. I have no idea why people would want to live on a planet with no atmosphere, no heat, no radiation shield. If you want to experience living like that, live in Ohio during the winter time. Same thing.
Hell no! I would not have my spot in the first colony taken by a fucking rapist. That mission is way to monumental and changing to be left to a group of heathens.
Oh I do want to live on Mars. I would love to live on another planet. We are on the precipice of a new age, and I would give anything to be a part of it. It would be difficult to live in the conditions Mars gives us, but I would revel in the challenge.
PS. I've lived through decades of Ohio winters. I'm prepared!
Trust me , you don't want to live on mars. I have no idea why people would want to live on a planet with no atmosphere, no heat, no radiation shield. If you want to experience living like that, live in Ohio during the winter time. Same thing.
I don't think killing in self-defense is murder.
There is the argument that all soldiers are murderers, but that is far too liberal a discussion to take place on a right wing fundie forum such as this.
Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
The powers that be made killing the enemy lawful, therefore it was not murder. It was a killing, but by definition the act of a governing body giving lawful permission to kill inherently makes it impossible to be a murder.
My husband having to shoot someone who was about to shoot him when he was a soldier was not murder.
Right, give a soldier permission… more, justify the reasons and suddenly murder becomes acceptable.
I understand that if your husband didn't shoot his attacker while on active duty, he'd be dead, but this actually doesn't stop this from being a murder. It's simply more justified, since it's self-defense, but still.
I personally woudln't want to live on mars, what if something goes wrong, you're screwed. I think other planets/moons have better chances for habitation than mars imo, like the moon for example. Why aren't we building there first.
I know this is going to sound a little crazy, but i'm a little into conspiracy theories, and i believe the US Government has a military base on the moon. From a strategic setting, you can launch an attack on anyone. They have also been mining a rare isotope on the moon's surface called Helium 3.
Oh I do want to live on Mars. I would love to live on another planet. We are on the precipice of a new age, and I would give anything to be … morea part of it. It would be difficult to live in the conditions Mars gives us, but I would revel in the challenge.
PS. I've lived through decades of Ohio winters. I'm prepared!
Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
The powers that be made killing the enemy lawful, therefore… more it was not murder. It was a killing, but by definition the act of a governing body giving lawful permission to kill inherently makes it impossible to be a murder.
PS: Is that Casandra?!
If something goes wrong here you're screwed. Maybe not as easily, but I'd be more than willing to take that risk if it meant being one of the first to explore outside of humanities tiny scope of current existence. We are building on Mars first because,despite it being further away, it has more chance of providing a self-sustaining environment (or for the most part self-sustaining, it would require some support from Earth, but not much and not often). The moon is a tiny satellite. Mars is an entire planet with H2O and other important necessities that the moon lacks. Interesting note, though, they are currently working on a mission to obtain an asteroid and put it in orbit around the Moon. Then they plan on having a crew land on the asteroid for study. That should be an interesting prelude to a Mars mission.
I believe in government conspiracies too. It's laughable to think there aren't conspiracies when certain things become "unclassified". Like they just stop doing things in the shadows because they aren't giving you the evidence that confirms they are. In any case, a moon base isn't one I subscribe to. I highly doubt they could hide such a monumental occurrence, and despite it being in the sky it's a terrible place to launch an offensive. It's absurdly far away and would provide assistance at a slow pace. It doesn't help uncover anything about the enemy anymore than an orbiting satellite or high flying drone would. I'm not sure what Helium 3 is :P
I personally woudln't want to live on mars, what if something goes wrong, you're screwed. I think other planets/moons have better chances fo… morer habitation than mars imo, like the moon for example. Why aren't we building there first.
I know this is going to sound a little crazy, but i'm a little into conspiracy theories, and i believe the US Government has a military base on the moon. From a strategic setting, you can launch an attack on anyone. They have also been mining a rare isotope on the moon's surface called Helium 3.
Actually, it works exactly like that. You can't label it a murder because it is, by definition and every correct use of the word, not at all a murder.
PS. Sarcasm, very nice. Her Uncle Tom is my favorite though.
PPS. Casandra does look very masculine. She could pass for an Uncle.
PSPS. If I am deployed and need to end the life of someone in protection of mine then so be it. If I were to come back and be called a killer so be it. If I were to be called a murderer that wouldn't end well for everyone involved.
Yeah, right, give it a fancy explanation, backed by the law, and murder turns into something that isn't murder. I don't think it works like it.
P.S: Nope. It's her third cousin, Uncle Sweeney.
Actually, it works exactly like that. You can't label it a murder because it is, by definition and every correct use of the word, not at all… more a murder.
PS. Sarcasm, very nice. Her Uncle Tom is my favorite though.
PPS. Casandra does look very masculine. She could pass for an Uncle.
PSPS. If I am deployed and need to end the life of someone in protection of mine then so be it. If I were to come back and be called a killer so be it. If I were to be called a murderer that wouldn't end well for everyone involved.
Okay, but your point of view is wrong. There is no side of this that you right. This isn't a question of moral standing or subjective reasoning. This is a definition. The very meaning of a word. It's equivalent to you taking the word cry and making it mean mourn. They are not the same, whether you see them as the same, or whether you see them as close to the same, or whether you see them as related is irrelevant. They are not the same and they will never mean the same thing.
PS. Tip of the tongue?
PPS. Meh, I could see the problem arising. I'll remember the extra s from now on. Cassandra has a nice ass. Too easy.
I'm not going to accept this point of view, so, let's leave it at that. Murder is murder, regardless of levels of acceptability or necessity… more.
P.S: Yeah, her uncle Tom and his hut. Reminds me of something, can't say what, though.
P. P. S: She looks kind of masculine, yes, but still not enough to pass for a man. Also, I hate to nitpick, but her name is "Cassandra".
If something goes wrong here you're screwed. Maybe not as easily, but I'd be more than willing to take that risk if it meant being one of th… moree first to explore outside of humanities tiny scope of current existence. We are building on Mars first because,despite it being further away, it has more chance of providing a self-sustaining environment (or for the most part self-sustaining, it would require some support from Earth, but not much and not often). The moon is a tiny satellite. Mars is an entire planet with H2O and other important necessities that the moon lacks. Interesting note, though, they are currently working on a mission to obtain an asteroid and put it in orbit around the Moon. Then they plan on having a crew land on the asteroid for study. That should be an interesting prelude to a Mars mission.
I believe in government conspiracies too. It's laughable to think there aren't conspiracies when certain things become "unclassified". … [view original content]
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Yes, I'm a Christian. I believe it is wrong to murder people, and to kill others solely for revenge. But I believe it is just to kill in order to protect the innocents from harm, and to deter future tragic incidents. And I believe because life is so precious, that the moment you selfishly take an innocent life in such a heinous and malicious way you forfeit your own right to life.
"Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image." - Genesis 9:6.
Hell no! I would not have my spot in the first colony taken by a fucking rapist. That mission is way to monumental and changing to be left to a group of heathens.
My friend you have no idea what happens behind doors. You have no idea about what goes on during war besides what the media tells you. The bias media, that decides what you see, how you see it, when you see it, or if you see it at all. You are in the shadows.
As my favorite DS told me, "Know what you're fighting for."
Are you claiming to know everything that goes on in the military then, as though you have eyes and ears on the inside informing you of everything that happens? You are beginning to sound absurd. And as for all the points I listed in my previous post, I sincerely would like to know what instances you speak of where America condones and partakes in such acts. It is incredibly disconcerting to know that you replied to my initial comment about Corporal Punishment in what looks like defense of Terrorists.
I never claimed anything like that. Do your research. A few Google searches will lend you many proofs of horrible acts, therefore I don't find it necessary to list them. I'm not in defense of terrorism, in any form. The fact you believe I have insinuated this is concerning. Either your powers of interpretation are excessively bad or you're trying to find reasons I'm bad simply because I found falsity in your post.
What I'm saying is that you clearly don't have such connections on the inside, so you have no basis to claim that I don't have any idea what I'm talking about, nor that you know more about the matter than I do. And I never said that the military was full of saints, but the specific acts I listed that Terrorists commit are the lowest of the low, and America does not condone or partake in them. That was the point I was making. I only insinuate that you are defending them because of the manner in which you replied to my reasoning behind my stance on Corporal Punishment. I said that I don't have sympathy for terrorists who kill people in fucked up ways to further their fucked up agenda. You then say that all armies do that, which leads me to believe that you are saying that because everyone supposedly does those fucked up things that I shouldn't fault Terrorists as much as I do. I'm not sure what else you could be implying. If I have misinterpreted your comment, then I apologize.
Well, that's 2643 comments and counting then lol. We'll see if it keeps up. I can't recall ever not being on the same page with you either.
Hey, don't hold me to a standard that I can't live up to
Well, that's 2688 comments and counting. We'll see if it keeps up. Lol.
Why should sex offenders not be let back into society when they have been rehabilitated?
Do you think that, say, a 14 year old rapist should be imprisoned for life? Yes? No? Why/Why not?
What about an 8 year old rapist?
If rapists cannot be reintegrated and reeducated, then why should we let children who have raped back into society?
I don't think killing in self-defense is murder.
There is the argument that all soldiers are murderers, but that is far too liberal a discussion to take place on a right wing fundie forum such as this.
I was thinking of giving my take on that, but it really doesn't matter at all as it doesn't take away from the point I was making. Murderers, AKA the main recipients of the death penalty to begin with, are not going to be reintegrated into society. So again, the death penalty really isn't defeating the purpose of the justice system at all.
But you didn't list specific events to begin with. Your basing your justification on something you said later, to which I never denounced or found problematic. Though chances are you would find acts commited by any army as heinous as the ones you attribute to terrorists, though probably not as numerous.
The manner in which I replied to you was one of objectivity. You find it okay to torture the people who commit heinous acts on us, yet when we commit heinous acts on them you would chalk it up to patriotism in the form of blissful ignorance. I have no doubt that after a certain military forced dropped a certain little bomb on a certain little island that the inhabitants of that country viewed the attackers as disgusting monsters willing to do anything to advance their monstrous agenda. Why don't you view it as such? Biasness. Knowledge is power. Understanding is knowledge.
At approximately $30,000 to house a prisoner, it is harsher. For society.
Acts. I listed acts that terrorists have committed, and are committing currently. We have the body count as well as the video/photographic evidence to prove it. As you told me, do your research.
We're starting to get off topic, but oh well. You're talking about Hiroshima right? We were at war with Japan, we dropped that bomb to end the war as quickly as possible, there would have been far more casualties had we not used the atomic bomb. Don't forget, Japan had declared that if the US invaded Japan they would face an army of 100 million. It was cruel, but necessary. If by biased you mean prioritizing our country's citizens above others, then of course I am. We should always put the safety of our citizens above others, putting other countries before ours, and acting like martyrs does not keep us safe from the enemy. Again, America is not intentionally going around taking innocent hostages and beheading them on camera (something that Terrorists have done in the last couple of weeks mind you). The military doesn't resort to violence out of the malice in their hearts. It is done out of necessity to protect our people.
So the first part of your post has no relevance. You listed them after the fact and I did... I already said all this...
Your remarks about dropping the atomic bomb are as bias as I would have expected. Which brings us back to the manner, and reason, to which I responded in the first place. As for the last part of your post regarding other armies (America in particular) doing for the sole purpose of protecting our people? Shadows all around you.
A quote comes to mind. Though it may not be from masterful tactician from the far reaches of the world it's still powerful and true.
What are you even talking about? One more time, I said I have no sympathy for Terrorists who kill people in fucked up ways to further their fucked up agenda. I then listed several fucked up things that terrorists are doing currently to support my first statement. How isn't that relevant to my initial post?
I'm biased because I understand why my country made a difficult decision to drop a bomb to end a war that happened decades ago, and for overall supporting the military who protects us from outside threats. I'm biased because I despise the people who are murdering innocents on camera/using them as human shields/raping women and children in the name of their god with the purpose of scaring people into submission. Right. This conversation is going nowhere.
Repeating yourself doesn't help. I'm not the one lost in the conversation. I've already addressed these points.
Obviously it's going nowhere. You're circularly
arguing points previously covered and not understand the new ones.
So have a good night.
PS. The passive-aggressive stance right off the rip does not indicate the start to a worthwhile discussion. You may want to work on that.
Alrighty then. Merry Christmas.
Well just for clarification purposes, I to am a Christian.
That died with Steve Irwin, sir.
Exactly who gave you the right to tell someone if they're god or not? You know what, fuck it. You clearly have no respect for other people.
"...people who are more than willing to kill thousands of innocents in the most fucked up kind of way to further their equally fucked up agenda." (<---- bolded for emphasis)
To which you replied: "You do realize that is every army, ever. Right?"
Did you not see the whole second part of her sentence? I suppose she didn't really elaborate in detail, but it really wasn't needed because of the context. I thought it was clear that she was specifically talking about actions of terrorism... as in purposely targeting and killing innocent victims for the purpose of spreading fear/ pushing their violent and intolerant agenda/ whatever else you may want to relate to terrorism. So basically, in your original statement there, you had said that every army acts through this kind of terrorism... whether that was unintentional or based on you misreading/ missing the point or not. The WWII comparison you brought up doesn't make much sense to me either, as the intentions behind the bombings aren't really even comparable to the ideals and intentions behind terrorism. And I mean... is it really even a relevant example to modern America anyway..?
Anyway, not to keep the conversation going or anything, I just thought I would help you get on the same page.
Perspective. You're shielded from our uses of fear because that would be viewed as stooping to their level.
Is torturing a probable terrorist different than them torturing an American soldier? Even the outcome is relatively the same, to further the cause. Theirs is driven by religion on the small man level and power on the higher up. Ours is driven by patriotism on the small man level and power on the higher up. The most major difference is the secrecy used.
Steve Irwin was a personal hero.
Trust me , you don't want to live on mars. I have no idea why people would want to live on a planet with no atmosphere, no heat, no radiation shield. If you want to experience living like that, live in Ohio during the winter time. Same thing.
Its a lot harder to get back to Earth.
Oh I do want to live on Mars. I would love to live on another planet. We are on the precipice of a new age, and I would give anything to be a part of it. It would be difficult to live in the conditions Mars gives us, but I would revel in the challenge.
PS. I've lived through decades of Ohio winters. I'm prepared!
I seen how child molestation can affect someone, its bad. Real Bad. Some people end up killing themselves over it.
People love to judge the military.
one bullet costs 50 cents. You do the math.
The powers that be made killing the enemy lawful, therefore it was not murder. It was a killing, but by definition the act of a governing body giving lawful permission to kill inherently makes it impossible to be a murder.
PS: Is that Casandra?!
I personally woudln't want to live on mars, what if something goes wrong, you're screwed. I think other planets/moons have better chances for habitation than mars imo, like the moon for example. Why aren't we building there first.
I know this is going to sound a little crazy, but i'm a little into conspiracy theories, and i believe the US Government has a military base on the moon. From a strategic setting, you can launch an attack on anyone. They have also been mining a rare isotope on the moon's surface called Helium 3.
Yeah, right, give it a fancy explanation, backed by the law, and murder turns into something that isn't murder. I don't think it works like it.
P.S: Nope. It's her third cousin, Uncle Sweeney.
If something goes wrong here you're screwed. Maybe not as easily, but I'd be more than willing to take that risk if it meant being one of the first to explore outside of humanities tiny scope of current existence. We are building on Mars first because,despite it being further away, it has more chance of providing a self-sustaining environment (or for the most part self-sustaining, it would require some support from Earth, but not much and not often). The moon is a tiny satellite. Mars is an entire planet with H2O and other important necessities that the moon lacks. Interesting note, though, they are currently working on a mission to obtain an asteroid and put it in orbit around the Moon. Then they plan on having a crew land on the asteroid for study. That should be an interesting prelude to a Mars mission.
I believe in government conspiracies too. It's laughable to think there aren't conspiracies when certain things become "unclassified". Like they just stop doing things in the shadows because they aren't giving you the evidence that confirms they are. In any case, a moon base isn't one I subscribe to. I highly doubt they could hide such a monumental occurrence, and despite it being in the sky it's a terrible place to launch an offensive. It's absurdly far away and would provide assistance at a slow pace. It doesn't help uncover anything about the enemy anymore than an orbiting satellite or high flying drone would. I'm not sure what Helium 3 is :P
Actually, it works exactly like that. You can't label it a murder because it is, by definition and every correct use of the word, not at all a murder.
PS. Sarcasm, very nice. Her Uncle Tom is my favorite though.
PPS. Casandra does look very masculine. She could pass for an Uncle.
PSPS. If I am deployed and need to end the life of someone in protection of mine then so be it. If I were to come back and be called a killer so be it. If I were to be called a murderer that wouldn't end well for everyone involved.
I'm not going to accept this point of view, so, let's leave it at that. Murder is murder, regardless of levels of acceptability or necessity.
P.S: Yeah, her uncle Tom and his hut. Reminds me of something, can't say what, though.
P. P. S: She looks kind of masculine, yes, but still not enough to pass for a man. Also, I hate to nitpick, but her name is "Cassandra".
Okay, but your point of view is wrong. There is no side of this that you right. This isn't a question of moral standing or subjective reasoning. This is a definition. The very meaning of a word. It's equivalent to you taking the word cry and making it mean mourn. They are not the same, whether you see them as the same, or whether you see them as close to the same, or whether you see them as related is irrelevant. They are not the same and they will never mean the same thing.
PS. Tip of the tongue?
PPS. Meh, I could see the problem arising. I'll remember the extra s from now on. Cassandra has a nice ass. Too easy.
Helium 3 is the fuel of the future.