Final showdown and why you made your choice
Hello. I'd like to hear what your thoughts were during the finale? Did you try to stop the fight between Kenny and Jane? Or maybe you helped only Jane or only Kenny? Or perhaps you did nothing at all? And also what place you thought was best fitted to go (the north or south?) I kind of tried to stop the fight. In the end it was heartbreaking for me to do what I had to do (shoot Kenny) since I always loved the guy before he became all aggressive like that. I also always used the "hug" when it was available for him. Tried to stop Carver to beating him to death as well. In the end I thought it was kind of merciful for him to go out of this world and be with Duck and his wife again. Also goddamn Clementine making me feel so much every single time she cries... 
While I still think Kenny was right on the money about the freezing North. I think it's best suited in a zombie apocalypse and I'm really curious why Rick and friends haven't already done that in the show considering they've been surviving for quite a while already (2 expensive to film in hell-cold?) My thoughts on Jane were very positive through the whole season (except for that part where she slept with Luke, kind of felt like betrayal a little bit.) She is a very tough character/girl and I think she is best suited to be with Clementine in the future than Kenny is with his short temper and already (a little bit?) crazy mind. I didn't let the family in since they seemed really shady to me and in the end I was right (the guy had a pistol on his back).
So Character wise: Jane > Kenny
Location wise: Howe < Wellington
I want this to be constructive thread and not just hate on Kenny or Jane kind of thread. I just really wanna hear everyone's opinion about why they made the choices they did.
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I chose to help Jane partly because if my Clem could stop a murder she would, and partly because Jane shows character growth with regard to her faults, particularly when you let her make the decision about the family in Howe's, whereas Kenny's fault get worse and worse throughout his arc, to such an extent that even he doesn't think he can really look after Clem.
Same from flog61... but i didnt let the family in...
I only played the game once. My final decision was to let Jane get killed by Kenny. I didn't really like her at all personally. I found her whining about kenny irritating. I felt it at the time, that Jane asked Clementine not to get involved, so whatever. I let her die because she killed Troy. I liked him, because of funny things he said in Episode 3. Now that Kenny is with Clementine, we head to Wellington then decide to leave together.
I never been a trusting person. I just don't trust Wellington so i left with Kenny. I'm not a kenny fan but I left with Kenny because we been through a lot, and i liked his son Duck. I'm sure Duck would want me to take care of his dad. Kenny's behavior in S2 was deplorable, he never listened and did whatever he wanted.
I let Kenny kill Jane, there's multiple ways people can see this and there is no "wrong choice" but we've known Kenny longer and can kind of predict what he'll do and I felt like Jane was holding out on some details (and she was) so I didn't want to shoot Kenny when I knew something was up, Also I felt like Kenny even though he can be extreme would be an overall better guardian than Jane but in the end it depends on your opinion.
I chose Kenny and I got the Wellington ending. I chose kenny because I knew I could always count on him and he'd give up his life to save mine. I just chose the Wellington ending because, in my opinion, the whole point of this season is Clementine growing up. She's not responsible only for herself, now she's responsible for AJ as well. MY Clementine knew she had to do this, even if she loved Kenny.
We'll I never really liked Jane, but the last choice was really hard for me. I knew I should have shot Kenny because it was the right thing to do, but I couldn't make myself shoot him. In the end I was happy that Kenny was right about Jane so I didn't need to feel so terrible. I told Kenny he was dangerous and then I had the choice to leave him but I figured after all this I was never going to leave Kenny. So when we got to Wellington I decided that we've been through all this so we are going to stay together so I stayed with Kenny
I ended up leaving Wellington with Kenny. I still feel bad about letting him kill Jane, but I couldn't shoot him, he's one of my favorites. I actually really liked Jane, but I was just too attached to Kenny.
I was fully ready to go into Wellington, to say goodbye to him on a good note, but his speech convinced me that the good person he used to be was still in there. So I left with him, in the hopes that Clem will have a positive influence on him, and he'll return back to normal. Before he dies in S3.
I chose to shoot Kenny during the finale. I wasn't going to let him kill someone for a crime he thought they committed without any evidence, especially when he continuously allowed his rage and penchant for violence get the better of him whenever trouble comes along. Had it been Clementine to be the one who had lost AJ in the blizzard, I don't think even Clementine would be spared by Kenny's wrath and she's an eleven year old girl.
I went to Howe's with Jane because it's the only known place to have supplies needed for AJ, and I knew that going alone with AJ was suicidal even if I didn't care for Jane. Even though Wellington exists in the end, the journey caused too many people to die or leave the group, and I didn't trust Wellington to be genuine enough or having no dark secret behind its walls. We know of Howe, and we find out that its barren but with supplies more than large enough for three people, and it was enough for me.
And finally I didn't let the family in. They were acting too suspicious, especially with the father being aggressive even to his 'wife'. His last words to Clementine had only confirmed my decision when he practically threatened her than pleaded one more time. Besides I went with Christa's ideals in the end, stay in smaller groups, much less hassle and baggage to deal with.
Killed them both out of spite because I didn't like having to deal with either character at that point (They both bored me and hogged the episode, yes they had to have screentime because they played a big part in the ep but they still irritated the piss out of me.) and Clem will probably end up alone anyway by the time s3 rolls around, so why not get them both out of the way?
I disliked both of them and when the final battle happened I was just pissed why Jane would ruin something when we were so close to our goal. I hated them both but I hated Jane more so I only helped Kenny in certain points. Jane told me to stay out of it and when Kenny was about to deliver the final blow a few things went through my mind. First off, Jane told me to stay out of it...Secondly, My Clem isn't a murderer and my Clem will only kill people who try and kill her or kill her friends...Lastly, Jane isn't a friend. So, I had no regret to let the timer run out...I also went with Kenny as Clem can't survive on her own without dying mentally and almost dying physically.
I would explain my reasons for going with Kenny instead of going into Wellington but I don't feel like it.
I tried to stop the fight between them, saying stuff like we can't kill each other, stopping Kenny from hitting Jane and vice versa, and I tried getting between them. In the end, I choose to look away, but it still remains the hardest decision I've ever had to make in the game to date since I loved (at the time) both characters immensely. But when I heard the baby crying, my love for Jane turned to anger quickly and I knew I made the right choice. Anyway, we went up North to Wellington, but when they wouldn't let us in, I decided to leave with my boy Kenny. We've been through so much, I'm not abandoning him after all we've been through.
As for location, I think it's better to be up North than it is to be in the South, since the walkers do slow down in the cold, you see that when marching through the snow trying to get to the rest stop, those walkers were frozen in place. You may freeze your ass off, but the threat of walkers is a lot less up there that it's worth being a little cold.
I tried to stop the fight, but at the end I let Kenny kill Jane. I hadn't liked her since we first met her In Harm's Way. I found her arrogant and a hypocrite, plus the constant making fun of Kenny was irritating too. Kenny was a broken man who had lost everything and the only way he would ever get better is with the help and support of others, so thats why I left Wellington with him.
Well,I can find a lot of reasons but the reason i chose to let kenny kill jane while the time was running out is because Kenny is one of my favorite characters in the walking dead universe(comic and show included).I left with him because after seeing him willing to sacrifice himself for Clem and aj,I knew he could take care of them.
I didn't see any good way out of that situation: no matter what you do, someone is going to die. And no matter which way the blood spills, it will still end up on your hands, to some degree.
I guess I chose the way where my hands were the least bloody; the one where I wasn't the guy pulling the trigger.
In my mind, it's a situation where you're just as guilty as the parties involved, no matter which way you choose to handle it.
I tried to stop it, I kept trying to get in between them, but I couldn't bring myself to pull the trigger, even if from some people's perspectives, it's the 'right thing' to do. At the same time, I'm not happy for letting someone die (in fact, Jane is the first and only person to date who I have let die in this game, across both seasons). But hey, that's what I like about this game. Some of my favorite moments are the ones where it left me questioning myself and wondering how I let myself do certain things.
They both frustrated the hell out of me, but I've known Kenny longer I guess. I don't like Kenny, but I do trust him. You don't really have to like someone in order to trust them. Plus, I knew something was off with Jane when she dropped that "No matter what happens, stay out of it" line. Hey, you wanna prove Kenny has gone full psycho? Guess what, you can be the blood spattered example.
Tried to break it up. Didn't want either of them to die. But Kenny was seeing red, there was no stopping him. Chose Jane, didn't think she deserved death for what she said happened. Forgave her, but she's on thin ice. She pulls anything like that again, without consulting Clem, I'll put that knife in her myself.
Let Kenny stab Jane because I never liked her or her view on the world, afterwards I refused to leave Kenny because god damn if I'm going to leave my last friend and connection to Lee behind.
I prevented a murder, so yea, I'm with Jane and the family.
I let Kenny kill Jane, and refused to stay at Wellington.
My reasoning? Kenny has been my best friend since the start, he's competent, useful, and has proven to me several of times that he cares for me, and he's made sacrifices for the better of the group. When he's had a bad gut feeling about someone, he's usually right. Example: St Johns, Arvo, etc.
Jane provoked him into that fight, and she knew very well he would react that way. He had a purpose, protect Aj. I'm sure anyone would have reacted that way, as far as Kenny knew, Jane had just killed a glimmer of a hope in such a dark evil world.
I agreed with Kenny to go up North to Wellington. As far as I was concerned, Howe's was overran, and Carvers goons could be lurking around there somewhere.
Upon our arrival at Wellington, I refused to stay. Though Kenny begged me, I couldn't leave him behind. I didn't know who these Wellington people were, they could be another Woodbury community, or worse, a Terminus community filled with cannibals.
So, in the end, I stayed with the guy who I knew I can %100 trust, and who I knew would protect me with his life. In my opinion, I feel like I made the right choice and I'm happy with my ending.
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I chose Jane, I like both characters and I sat there with the game paused for a few minutes. I wanted my Clementine to be the person who defends people, who tries all she can to keep everyone alive, I couldn't let Kenny kill another person, I just feared it would send him deeper into the darkness, he even said he didn't think he could take care of Clementine and AJ. The thing with Kenny is he's the type of person to only agree with you if he likes the agreement, Jane was that kind of person who'd do anything for Clementine and she was someone who had humanity left, she couldn't let Rebecca and Clementine in the walker horde without guidance and she couldn't stop herself from feeling regret for killing Vitali, Kenny never really tried to save Clementine, he only showed his fondness towards her with his words and barely ever with his actions. I like Kenny but he's too far gone and I feel like if he was kept alive, he would only continue to suffer with continuous losses of consistent loved ones, I still think Kenny is a good man, he's just made some decisions that show the darker side of him but with Jane it's clear that she's made some progressions, she's done more good than Kenny has and done less bad.
Let Kenny kill Jane (with her own knife which she drew on Kenny first). Even though I never liked Jane (especially after the way she talked about Sarah). Kenny never had a lethal weapon until he took Jane's away from her after she sliced his abdomen nearly killing him or should've killed him. Also Jane told me to stay out of it no matter what and I did as I was told in that regard by trusting her. Guess the crotch shooting b***h ultimately couldn't finish what she started and got overwhelmed. And finally I simply did not want Clem to become a killer in order to stop a killer (even though Clem determinately shot the Stranger to save Lee.. technically making her a killer there) but at the time wasn't the player character so doesn't count I suppose. If there was a option to maybe shoot Kenny in the shoulder like he did Carver to weaken and distract him I would have (but then that might just tip the scale in Jane's favor by allowing her to engage in killing Kenny same situation just vice versa).
I shot Kenny. I like both of them (I like Jane more, but it doesn't matter), and wouldn't have a problem with sticking with either, I shot him just because I wanted to save Jane, that's it. If both switched places in that last exchange I would have shot Jane, though that would have been harder.
I ended up with Kenny. I refused to go to Wellington and stuck with him.
My reasoning for this is that, not only do I love Kenny personally as a character, but he's also the only family Clem has left. She's been with him almost since the beginning of the apocalypse, played with his son, Duck, and was treated well by his wife, Katjaa. Yes, he is a broken man, reckless at times, and irrational, but he's also loyal, and willing to do anything to protect those he loves. I know one might argue that in Season One, whenever you disgreed with him, he got angry, but he got angry because he believed his choices were the best choices he could make to keep his family safe, and he wanted others to agree with him so everyone could be safe. I also believe that he can recover from the depression he's facing. Even Jane said that Clem would be the only one able to pull him out of what he was in, because she had known him for longer than any of them.
Another point I want to make is how truly kind Kenny has been to Clem. Yes, he has been rude to her a few times, but he's been nice, as well. At the lodge, he was playful with her, and then just overall nice to her. At Carver's camp, he praises her whenever she does something to assist the group. For instance, when Clem takes the walkie-talkies, if you choose to just show them to him, he says, "You little devil," very playfully, smiling and such, he also apologizes multiple times for being outright rude to her after the death of Sarita, either in the tent or when the group sits in that little fenced-in area before the death of Luke. Kenny has a chance to make things right, to redeem himself, by taking care of Clem and raising AJ the way his parents would've wanted.
Don't get me wrong, I liked Jane as a character, and she was rational far more than Kenny was, but I think she was too cold. I'd rather be around someone who's overly emotional than rarely at all. I also think Jane hiding AJ and pretending he was dead just to rile Kenny up was uncalled for. She purposely tried to make him mad, and fought him, and I don't think that was right. Of course, Kenny shouldn't have fought back, but you can understand why he did. He thought his only hope for redemption left in the world, his second Duck, was dead. After everything he had lost, to think something else had been taking from him forcefully, and the person who did was standing right in front of him? I probably would've reacted similarly.
And, anyway, I don't think I, not Clem, would have the strength to shoot him, after everything they've been through. She even drew a picture of Kenny and his family in Season One. I just wouldn't be able to do it. This is just my opinion on the subject, but I don't want to let him go yet. Not until he has redeemed himself. I want him to die like Lee. With purpose, having accomplished something. Not in pain and depressed.
It's good to hear that im not the only one still thinking about Duck.
He reminds me of my nephew with his batman love. Shooting him gave me a bad PTSD moment.
Thanks for your "constructive" opinion. I don't like Kenny either, but I'm not spilling reasons why he was acting like a "bitch" for more than 1 seasons.
Obviously helped Kenny and let Jane die because at the time I thought she'd KILLED A BABY!!! Then I realised what she'd done and I was less mad, but still angry at her.
I was about to post a hate comment when I thought you actually believed that "nice hat" ending was good, but then I watched the rest of the video. If I could give you multiple likes, I would never stop clicking
Agreed
She never said she killed the baby it was all in Kenny's crazy mind that she did, because he is paranoid to hell at this point. I knew from first playthrough that the baby probably wasn't dead. And why the hell would she kill the baby? What kind of logic was behind that I have no clue at all. There was also no corpse, so to blame someone for murder so easily is stupid.
Killed Kenny, he was never a good pal to Lee, nor to Clem. Jane seemed more level headed. I regret nothing...shot Kenny like a rabid dog and I feel good.
I let Kenny kill Jane more because I couldn't bring myself to kill him like that than wanting Jane to die. I never really knew what to make of Jane since Amid the Ruins but I always tried to be nice to her and at one point I was even ready to leave with her if I had the chance. But then, the more I was with her in episode 5, the more I realized that she wasn't the perfect option either. I realized that she was doing the exact same thing all the other characters (except Luke) had been doing since we ever met them:manipulating Clementine to get her on their side and to make her see things the way they wanted her to see them instead of guiding her and letting her make her own decisions (like Lee used to do).
So I was pretty confused about the whole situation in episode 5, I realized that Clementine couldn't count on anyone from now on and I was really annoyed by the childish fight that broke in the car between Jane and Kenny. They were both so stupid that if I was Clementine I think I would've asked them to stop the car so that I could get out of it, I would've gladly faced the cold instead of hearing them fight when a seriously wounded innocent child was behind them.
But then Jane did her thing and I just couldn't understand the reason why she did it. She wanted to show that Kenny was insane by pretending that the baby he wanted to protect at all costs was dead, thus proving that she was too.At least we know what to expect from Kenny, we know what to do to avoid making him mad and I personally think that despite all that can be said about Kenny, he would never harm Clem and AJ. But Jane proved to be manipulative,not very intelligent and selfish. Why selfish ? Because she was willing to put the lives of both Clem and AJ at stake just to show Clementine that if you pretended to have killed a baby that someone loved and protected they would probably get mad at you. So that's why I didn't chose Jane, because I felt betrayed by her and because after what she did I couldn't have taken her seriously anymore.
Plus, we had only met her a couple days or weeks ago when we knew Kenny for a year and his family too, even if he wasn't close to Clem in season 1 there is still this sense of familiarity, the feeling that we have both been on the same journey, met the same people, witnessed the same horrors together and survived.For a little girl like Clem, I imagine it must be quite reassuring to find someone you knew for so long whereas finding strangers like the cabin group could be very scary since you don't know them and don't know what they're capable of.
However, I think it's obvious that there is no right or wrong choice and that objectively there is no ending better than the others. Ultimately it all depends on how you saw things, how you interpreted them and the characters and perhaps it also depends on your personality. In all the endings, there is an equal amount of good sides and bad sides and in all of them things can go wrong for Clem so it's useless to argue about that.
I was cheering, couldn't have been a happier ending. Killing a farcical psychopath that has only proven time and time again to have been a detriment to Clementine's survival and harms people because of his inherent stupidity is about as beautiful as endings come.
I just wish I could've pulled the trigger once Lee and Kenneth met in episode one. Would've saved a lot of lives down the line.
so is that a typo in your name, or were you not able to fit the extra d in 'shoulda'?
gee that's true, but i'm not surprise why people can't see/realize that.
All of these Kenny names on the board makes me giggle so much.
Well Jane told me to stay out of it so I did,
I ended Kenny's madness.