The video and song itself is actually pretty good, OP is just drawing parallels where I don't believe there are any. I agree completely. I don't plan on changing my beliefs/values because it's not "in", or people are offended by them. I will never support the lifestyle, but I also will never hate the person for it, or wish them any harm. If anything, I wish them the best, and hope they will one day see the error of their ways. But it is not my right to judge them, I will treat them just how I treat every other person I know. Politely and respectfully.
Which was one of the reasons why I refused to watch the video he posted.
And as I said before, "even if I were to watch it, it would not ch… moreange my viewpoint on homosexuals and homosexuality.
I agree with what God says about homosexuals and homosexuality in the Bible, and I will not change; nor modify my beliefs, just to be appeasing to others."
And I will continue to state my beliefs in a respectful manner, and if people are hell-bent on finding fault with me because of my beliefs, then that's their problem.
I will treat homosexuals the way I would like them to treat me, with courtesy and respect.
However that does not mean I will support them or their lifestyle.
As I stated earlier: "If people don't like my supporting the Bible's viewpoint on homosexuals and homosexuality, than their problem in reality is not with me, but rather is with God-almighty himself."
The video and song itself is actually pretty good, OP is just drawing parallels where I don't believe there are any. I agree completely. I d… moreon't plan on changing my beliefs/values because it's not "in", or people are offended by them. I will never support the lifestyle, but I also will never hate the person for it, or wish them any harm. If anything, I wish them the best, and hope they will one day see the error of their ways. But it is not my right to judge them, I will treat them just how I treat every other person I know. Politely and respectfully.
Yep, the way it was worded felt like it pretty much stabbed me. I really don't care how you see it cause I can't change that. But that really disturbed me for some reason.
Edit: Its strange to see the other side of something that I believed in.
It's not my intention to hurt you or anyone else. I'm very firm in my beliefs, and it's important to me to never censor my thoughts/feelings on anything. I'd rather be brutally honest than be a kind liar.
Yep, the way it was worded felt like it pretty much stabbed me. I really don't care how you see it cause I can't change that. But that really disturbed me for some reason.
Edit: Its strange to see the other side of something that I believed in.
It's not my intention to hurt you or anyone else. I'm very firm in my beliefs, and it's important to me to never censor my thoughts/feelings on anything. I'd rather be brutally honest than be a kind liar.
Its a good thing you don't censor yourself, its weird, at least for me to actually see someone with the opposite beliefs than me on a sensitive topic.
I'm not holding it against you or anything, it was just a shock to me.
Just been sent this and figured I shoudl post it here instead of making a new thread.
I had no idea that marriage equality was happening … moreso quickly, last time I actually counted it was only in 10 states, and now 2/3 of americans live in states with it!
I just found this, and I think it totally has a point - here it's talking about Don't Ask Don't Tell, but I think it's true in a lot of cases (although I'm not sure how appropriate it is to lump transsexuals and homosexuals into a single category; there's a lot of overlap but they are two different things).
I just found this, and I think it totally has a point - here it's talking about Don't Ask Don't Tell, but I think it's true in a lot of case… mores (although I'm not sure how appropriate it is to lump transsexuals and homosexuals into a single category; there's a lot of overlap but they are two different things).
Majority of homosexuals stay homosexual and same with heterosexuals. Their nature is something that's very hard to go aganist successfully. You know what I mean? Changing who you are is impossible for some people.
With all due respect, even if I were to watch the video, it would not change my mind how I feel about homosexuality, and those who practice … moreit.
As long as the Bible continues to condemn homosexuality, I will continue to hold to that viewpoint.
And that is my personal right, and under the 1st amendment of the constitution, I'm allowed to express my belief.
And when you think about it, I myself am not condemning homosexuality.
Rather, God; through his word The Bible, does.
And I agree with what he says on the subject.
So in reality, and I say this respectfully, your disagreement is not with your fellow man, but rather with almighty God himself.
some of my friends are homo or bisexual. I respect them either way, its their choice. I have never held a grudge against someone for their choices, and I don't intend to. I love all people, races, genders, and nationalitys equally.
Where you've come from and where your going don't defined you, its how you get there that dose.
People can be different, diverse, strange. But that's good, we shouldn't fault people because they were brave enough to step out of line when the rest just fall in and fallow orders. A little respect can go a long way.
People may be homosexual, they may be from a different land, and have a different skin tone. They may be live something you don't, they may speak different, but that doesn't make them and less than you.
And yes, I'm covering more than just homosexual bullying. I don't really have an account with that, I have to deal more with racism in my life.
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If she wasn't too stupid to work a computer, I would actually think you were this girl I go to school with. She pretends to be a Lesbian for attention and then screams that sexuality is a choice. It's not. If you think it is, you need to reevaluate yourself. I'm sorry.
If sexuality was a choice, I would not be Bisexual. My best friend would not be a Lesbian. My male friend would not be gay. No one in this world, who was in their right mind, would never choose to be gay/bi/whatever, because some attention is simply NOT worth what we go through.
On the other hand, if there are people who are forcing themselves into loving the same sex or gender, then that is their business. It's not ours. My personal belief from my own life and what I've witnessed is that no legitimate LGBT+ person would really choose to be that way.
Hahaha that's what they want you to believe. Being homosexual is a choice. Example: Last month on Jerry Springer show there was this girl wh… moreo had a crush on her friend who she met at the bar. Her friend was straight, but when she came on the Springer show the girl asked if she wanted to go all the way. Her friend was nervous because she never been with a girl before and a few minutes late she said yes. So the gay friend converted her friend to her lesbian lifestyle lol. There's homosexuals converting straight people on that show everyday, so it is a choice. Most grew up with the lie that it's not a choice but it is. Only hermaphrodites have that right to say it wasn't a choice they have both genitals and born that way. Society promoted the gay lifestyle and over time people adapted to it. Just like the cave people learned how to draw, make fire, and build homes. They had a choice to educated themselves and weren't born that way. They adapted … [view original content]
Being gay is a choice because it's society and media that makes people that way. It has nothing to do with genes according to science and it's a mental disorder. When people see homosexuality on tv or books it gives them the influence to try it because they think it's cool. Just like kids playing gta they probably weren't criminals, but after gta influenced them to rob and reanact the game. It was their choice to relive the game.
Nobody was born homosexual until society influenced them to become that way.
"Being homosexual is a choice."
If she wasn't too stupid to work a computer, I would actually think you were this girl I go to school wit… moreh. She pretends to be a Lesbian for attention and then screams that sexuality is a choice. It's not. If you think it is, you need to reevaluate yourself. I'm sorry.
If sexuality was a choice, I would not be Bisexual. My best friend would not be a Lesbian. My male friend would not be gay. No one in this world, who was in their right mind, would never choose to be gay/bi/whatever, because some attention is simply NOT worth what we go through.
On the other hand, if there are people who are forcing themselves into loving the same sex or gender, then that is their business. It's not ours. My personal belief from my own life and what I've witnessed is that no legitimate LGBT+ person would really choose to be that way.
You make a good point.
Sometimes though, I have to wonder about which is worse, being brutally honest, or a kind liar.
For instance, one time my cousin; who was 14 at the time, had this major crush on this girl at school.
I mean he was in a real funk over her!
Anyway, I happened to know this girl, she was 16.
And one day we were just talking and I brought up that my cousin had a crush on her.
And when she started talking about it, it was obvious that she didn't care a thing about him, and she was just toying with him.
I felt very bad for him, and dreaded the thought of telling him.
But I knew it was the right thing to do.
When I told him, I tried to be as kind as I could about it, but he was still devastated.
It took him quite a while to get over it, but it was a life lesson he needed to learn.
And sometimes I wish there was a way I could have spared him that pain.
The point is, even though being honest with others is important, it doesn't always mean it's easy, especially if it's with ones you care for.
It's not my intention to hurt you or anyone else. I'm very firm in my beliefs, and it's important to me to never censor my thoughts/feelings on anything. I'd rather be brutally honest than be a kind liar.
The way I see it, you either believe and accept what the Bible says, or you don't.
And sometimes I have to wonder, if some Christians actually support homosexuality, when the Bible clearly condemns it, how can those folks claim to be Christians?
For example, how can someone say they are opposed to people using illegal drugs, if they smuggle illegal drugs across the border?
Or, how can someone say they oppose illegal immigration, if they knowingly hire illegal immigrants to work for them?
To be clear, I'm not trying to cause any offense here to anyone.
I'm just asking thought-provoking questions.
You talk like it's a fact that the Bible is unambiguously against homosexuality. The Bible can be interpreted many ways. Read this article f… moreor a Christian's view on why homosexuality is acceptable. It's a long article, but I highly recommend at least reading his interpretations of the few passages that anti-gay Christians turn to.
Amen!
Why should homosexuals get special treatment, especially if they are bullied?
And as far as the suicide statistics, people have committed suicide for being bullied, and they weren't homosexual.
...try to remember the worst, cruellest bullying you've ever gotten. Then, try to imagine how much worse it would have been if you were gay.
A lot of people had it bad in school, homosexual/lesbian people are not excluded from this.
And people don't participate in orgies today?
Or don't commit other acts of perversion today, like rape, and other disgusting things like that?
If you ask my opinion, that scripture doesn't only apply to just homosexuality, and it is still just as applicable now as it was when Paul wrote it, some 2000 years ago.
This passage also has to be looked at from its time period, as Paul was speaking about the rituals that happened at the time. The first par… moret of the passage is talking about those who worship false idols, and the second is talking about ritualistic orgies (seeing as they're referring to men and women turning away from each other in the plural fashion). Pagan rituals at the time did consist of orgies, both of a homosexual and heterosexual fashion. That's likely where the terms atimia and pathos (dishonor and suffering) are used in the original Greek, and was translated in the King James version as vile affections.
He's saying not to commit sexual ritualistic acts to worship a false God, since the first part of the passage speaks about worshiping false idols, and the second part speaks about the sexual acts committed to worship those idols. People have separated the two parts for discrimination, but taken as a whole, it's clear when looki… [view original content]
I suppose it all depends upon how one interprets what it means to be a Christian. I personally wouldn't go so far as to tell a Christian that they aren't truly of faith simply because they support homosexuality and/or have a different interpretation of the scripture.
The way I see it, you either believe and accept what the Bible says, or you don't.
And sometimes I have to wonder, if some Christians actua… morelly support homosexuality, when the Bible clearly condemns it, how can those folks claim to be Christians?
For example, how can someone say they are opposed to people using illegal drugs, if they smuggle illegal drugs across the border?
Or, how can someone say they oppose illegal immigration, if they knowingly hire illegal immigrants to work for them?
To be clear, I'm not trying to cause any offense here to anyone.
I'm just asking thought-provoking questions.
Do you also support slavery? The Bible clearly does not have a problem with it. It even lays down rules governing how you can treat your slave. Like, you're allowed to beat your slave as much as you want as long as the slave doesn't die.
What about being rich? One of Jesus's central messages is that a rich Christian is a problem. He even goes as far as to say that it's almost impossible for a rich person to get into heaven.
The Bible is open to interpretation. Most Christians have explanations as to why the slavery and wealth verses are misleading. That's fine, and I'm asking you to show the same open-mindedness towards homosexuality. There are a small number of verses relating to homosexuality and there are historical explanations as to how they've been misinterpreted (see the article I linked in my past comment). To say that the Bible is clearly against homosexuality is wrong.
The way I see it, you either believe and accept what the Bible says, or you don't.
And sometimes I have to wonder, if some Christians actua… morelly support homosexuality, when the Bible clearly condemns it, how can those folks claim to be Christians?
For example, how can someone say they are opposed to people using illegal drugs, if they smuggle illegal drugs across the border?
Or, how can someone say they oppose illegal immigration, if they knowingly hire illegal immigrants to work for them?
To be clear, I'm not trying to cause any offense here to anyone.
I'm just asking thought-provoking questions.
What you're saying contradicts another sentence. You're saying that being gay is a mental disorder (I'm mentally ill, with God only knows what, according to my therapist), and then you're saying that kids are being influenced to be gay by TV or books. And then you're saying that violent video games cause real life violence.
Being gay is a choice because it's society and media that makes people that way. It has nothing to do with genes according to science and it… more's a mental disorder. When people see homosexuality on tv or books it gives them the influence to try it because they think it's cool. Just like kids playing gta they probably weren't criminals, but after gta influenced them to rob and reanact the game. It was their choice to relive the game.
Nobody was born homosexual until society influenced them to become that way.
I'm not sure we've met before, but I'd just like to say that I agree with basically everything you've been saying, on other threads as well as on this one judging by your profile page.
"Being homosexual is a choice."
If she wasn't too stupid to work a computer, I would actually think you were this girl I go to school wit… moreh. She pretends to be a Lesbian for attention and then screams that sexuality is a choice. It's not. If you think it is, you need to reevaluate yourself. I'm sorry.
If sexuality was a choice, I would not be Bisexual. My best friend would not be a Lesbian. My male friend would not be gay. No one in this world, who was in their right mind, would never choose to be gay/bi/whatever, because some attention is simply NOT worth what we go through.
On the other hand, if there are people who are forcing themselves into loving the same sex or gender, then that is their business. It's not ours. My personal belief from my own life and what I've witnessed is that no legitimate LGBT+ person would really choose to be that way.
I'm not sure we've met before, but I'd just like to say that I agree with basically everything you've been saying, on other threads as well as on this one judging by your profile page.
Thank you for debating so well on this thread.
The video and song itself is actually pretty good, OP is just drawing parallels where I don't believe there are any. I agree completely. I d… moreon't plan on changing my beliefs/values because it's not "in", or people are offended by them. I will never support the lifestyle, but I also will never hate the person for it, or wish them any harm. If anything, I wish them the best, and hope they will one day see the error of their ways. But it is not my right to judge them, I will treat them just how I treat every other person I know. Politely and respectfully.
I try everyday to change my behavior. Sometimes i fail, and i make mistakes but i feel like i learn from them and understand and take responsibility for my failures. Now if everyone else put as much effort in controlling their behavior as i do, the world would be awesome.
As someone with combat PTSD, i would probably say that everytime i say something, i have to watch myself to make sure i don't unintentionally hurt people's feelings. I'm tired of being the "bad" guy. Remember when Kenny was saying
"What is wrong with Kenny?"
"Why is Kenny acting this way?"
This is how i feel every day. People are always making me feel like i am not normal, so i understand partly.
I'm the same way. Half of the people I know regard me as a snooty, selfish girl. I don't think I am, but I take pride in my accomplishments, because God knows no one else will. Apparently, that's hurts people's feelings. I'm a selfish person, according to many people, because I've attempted suicide. I try not to be selfish, but some attempts to not be selfish just don't work.
I'm growing up in a household where I'm getting called retarded and dumbass half of the time, and I eventually getting that mindset that it's okay. I try not to, but I wish we could have one day where no one was rude to someone else, or complained. That would be amazing.
I try everyday to change my behavior. Sometimes i fail, and i make mistakes but i feel like i learn from them and understand and take respon… moresibility for my failures. Now if everyone else put as much effort in controlling their behavior as i do, the world would be awesome.
As someone with combat PTSD, i would probably say that everytime i say something, i have to watch myself to make sure i don't unintentionally hurt people's feelings. I'm tired of being the "bad" guy. Remember when Kenny was saying
"What is wrong with Kenny?"
"Why is Kenny acting this way?"
This is how i feel every day. People are always making me feel like i am not normal, so i understand partly.
Everyone is allowed to express their opinion under the 1st amendment.
Tinni does not hold homosexuality in high regard, and neither do I.
In fact, there are many people the world-over who do not support homosexuality, nor those who practice it.
That's just the way it is.
But what good does it really do to keep talking about this?
Does it promote peace?
No.
The way I feel about it, if someone is homosexual, don't advertise it, like with parades and things like that.
We straight people don't need to resort to such measures.
So if homosexuality is so natural, than why do homosexuals seem to want to flaunt it in everyone's face?
To me, it reminds of something a rebellious teenager would do.
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On a side note: where's this from? I don't think I've ever seen this before.
The video and song itself is actually pretty good, OP is just drawing parallels where I don't believe there are any. I agree completely. I don't plan on changing my beliefs/values because it's not "in", or people are offended by them. I will never support the lifestyle, but I also will never hate the person for it, or wish them any harm. If anything, I wish them the best, and hope they will one day see the error of their ways. But it is not my right to judge them, I will treat them just how I treat every other person I know. Politely and respectfully.
This is the first time I've ever been offended on the internet.
Nice.
Ok? Not much I can do about it, we just have different opinions and views.
Yep, the way it was worded felt like it pretty much stabbed me. I really don't care how you see it cause I can't change that. But that really disturbed me for some reason.
Edit: Its strange to see the other side of something that I believed in.
It's not my intention to hurt you or anyone else. I'm very firm in my beliefs, and it's important to me to never censor my thoughts/feelings on anything. I'd rather be brutally honest than be a kind liar.
Its a good thing you don't censor yourself, its weird, at least for me to actually see someone with the opposite beliefs than me on a sensitive topic.
I'm not holding it against you or anything, it was just a shock to me.
Thank you. Despite my views, I can see why you feel that way.
I don't hold anything against you either. Hope you had a good Christmas.:)
I hope you had a good Christmas too.
Too bad the one from Idaho is false, god I hate my state so much.
We made it on a thread!
I just found this, and I think it totally has a point - here it's talking about Don't Ask Don't Tell, but I think it's true in a lot of cases (although I'm not sure how appropriate it is to lump transsexuals and homosexuals into a single category; there's a lot of overlap but they are two different things).
I agree. Transsexuals can have a choice while homosexuals usually cannot.
But that's an entire different can of worms.
'Usually' cannot?
Majority of homosexuals stay homosexual and same with heterosexuals. Their nature is something that's very hard to go aganist successfully. You know what I mean? Changing who you are is impossible for some people.
Bad phrasing on my part.
You are a sheep.
some of my friends are homo or bisexual. I respect them either way, its their choice. I have never held a grudge against someone for their choices, and I don't intend to. I love all people, races, genders, and nationalitys equally.
Where you've come from and where your going don't defined you, its how you get there that dose.
People can be different, diverse, strange. But that's good, we shouldn't fault people because they were brave enough to step out of line when the rest just fall in and fallow orders. A little respect can go a long way.
People may be homosexual, they may be from a different land, and have a different skin tone. They may be live something you don't, they may speak different, but that doesn't make them and less than you.
And yes, I'm covering more than just homosexual bullying. I don't really have an account with that, I have to deal more with racism in my life.
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"Being homosexual is a choice."
If she wasn't too stupid to work a computer, I would actually think you were this girl I go to school with. She pretends to be a Lesbian for attention and then screams that sexuality is a choice. It's not. If you think it is, you need to reevaluate yourself. I'm sorry.
If sexuality was a choice, I would not be Bisexual. My best friend would not be a Lesbian. My male friend would not be gay. No one in this world, who was in their right mind, would never choose to be gay/bi/whatever, because some attention is simply NOT worth what we go through.
On the other hand, if there are people who are forcing themselves into loving the same sex or gender, then that is their business. It's not ours. My personal belief from my own life and what I've witnessed is that no legitimate LGBT+ person would really choose to be that way.
Being gay is a choice because it's society and media that makes people that way. It has nothing to do with genes according to science and it's a mental disorder. When people see homosexuality on tv or books it gives them the influence to try it because they think it's cool. Just like kids playing gta they probably weren't criminals, but after gta influenced them to rob and reanact the game. It was their choice to relive the game.
Nobody was born homosexual until society influenced them to become that way.
You make a good point.
Sometimes though, I have to wonder about which is worse, being brutally honest, or a kind liar.
For instance, one time my cousin; who was 14 at the time, had this major crush on this girl at school.
I mean he was in a real funk over her!
Anyway, I happened to know this girl, she was 16.
And one day we were just talking and I brought up that my cousin had a crush on her.
And when she started talking about it, it was obvious that she didn't care a thing about him, and she was just toying with him.
I felt very bad for him, and dreaded the thought of telling him.
But I knew it was the right thing to do.
When I told him, I tried to be as kind as I could about it, but he was still devastated.
It took him quite a while to get over it, but it was a life lesson he needed to learn.
And sometimes I wish there was a way I could have spared him that pain.
The point is, even though being honest with others is important, it doesn't always mean it's easy, especially if it's with ones you care for.
The way I see it, you either believe and accept what the Bible says, or you don't.
And sometimes I have to wonder, if some Christians actually support homosexuality, when the Bible clearly condemns it, how can those folks claim to be Christians?
For example, how can someone say they are opposed to people using illegal drugs, if they smuggle illegal drugs across the border?
Or, how can someone say they oppose illegal immigration, if they knowingly hire illegal immigrants to work for them?
To be clear, I'm not trying to cause any offense here to anyone.
I'm just asking thought-provoking questions.
Amen!
Why should homosexuals get special treatment, especially if they are bullied?
And as far as the suicide statistics, people have committed suicide for being bullied, and they weren't homosexual.
And people don't participate in orgies today?
Or don't commit other acts of perversion today, like rape, and other disgusting things like that?
If you ask my opinion, that scripture doesn't only apply to just homosexuality, and it is still just as applicable now as it was when Paul wrote it, some 2000 years ago.
I suppose it all depends upon how one interprets what it means to be a Christian. I personally wouldn't go so far as to tell a Christian that they aren't truly of faith simply because they support homosexuality and/or have a different interpretation of the scripture.
Do you also support slavery? The Bible clearly does not have a problem with it. It even lays down rules governing how you can treat your slave. Like, you're allowed to beat your slave as much as you want as long as the slave doesn't die.
What about being rich? One of Jesus's central messages is that a rich Christian is a problem. He even goes as far as to say that it's almost impossible for a rich person to get into heaven.
The Bible is open to interpretation. Most Christians have explanations as to why the slavery and wealth verses are misleading. That's fine, and I'm asking you to show the same open-mindedness towards homosexuality. There are a small number of verses relating to homosexuality and there are historical explanations as to how they've been misinterpreted (see the article I linked in my past comment). To say that the Bible is clearly against homosexuality is wrong.
What you're saying contradicts another sentence. You're saying that being gay is a mental disorder (I'm mentally ill, with God only knows what, according to my therapist), and then you're saying that kids are being influenced to be gay by TV or books. And then you're saying that violent video games cause real life violence.
All I have to say, is that is: This. This is for the video game thing, not the being gay thing.
I'm not sure we've met before, but I'd just like to say that I agree with basically everything you've been saying, on other threads as well as on this one judging by your profile page.
Thank you for debating so well on this thread.
Thank you.
What is wrong with Idaho, i thought about moving there a few months ago.
Okay, that doesn't sound polite or respectful in any way, in fact, that was kind of rude and snobbish.
It is 2014.
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I'll try.
We should all try. Imagine if we all just got along for one day.
I'd die from happiness.
I try everyday to change my behavior. Sometimes i fail, and i make mistakes but i feel like i learn from them and understand and take responsibility for my failures. Now if everyone else put as much effort in controlling their behavior as i do, the world would be awesome.
As someone with combat PTSD, i would probably say that everytime i say something, i have to watch myself to make sure i don't unintentionally hurt people's feelings. I'm tired of being the "bad" guy. Remember when Kenny was saying
"What is wrong with Kenny?"
"Why is Kenny acting this way?"
This is how i feel every day. People are always making me feel like i am not normal, so i understand partly.
I'm the same way. Half of the people I know regard me as a snooty, selfish girl. I don't think I am, but I take pride in my accomplishments, because God knows no one else will. Apparently, that's hurts people's feelings. I'm a selfish person, according to many people, because I've attempted suicide. I try not to be selfish, but some attempts to not be selfish just don't work.
I'm growing up in a household where I'm getting called retarded and dumbass half of the time, and I eventually getting that mindset that it's okay. I try not to, but I wish we could have one day where no one was rude to someone else, or complained. That would be amazing.
Nothing is really wrong with it, its just how its governed. It feels like a bunch of children are in charge of the state.
Everyone is allowed to express their opinion under the 1st amendment.
Tinni does not hold homosexuality in high regard, and neither do I.
In fact, there are many people the world-over who do not support homosexuality, nor those who practice it.
That's just the way it is.
But what good does it really do to keep talking about this?
Does it promote peace?
No.
The way I feel about it, if someone is homosexual, don't advertise it, like with parades and things like that.
We straight people don't need to resort to such measures.
So if homosexuality is so natural, than why do homosexuals seem to want to flaunt it in everyone's face?
To me, it reminds of something a rebellious teenager would do.