Are we too hard on Season 2?
Now before you say anything, i'm just saying that we seem to be beating a dead horse here. I believe that many of the game's flaws has been address by us collectively, but we seem to be constantly belittling the game over and over again. Now I'm not trying to defend the game cause it does have many flaws, and I'm not trying to say that we should stop altogether, but I just feel that we reach its limit. I honestly don't know how to say this without coming off to fanboyish or plain stupid : I.
How about this then, does Season 2 constantly need all of this hate.Which is respectable, cause the writers needs to learn from there mistakes. Or are we just preaching to the choir. I hope that clears things up. : )
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Maybe? I don't know, I think the complainers just want Telltale to get better instead of worse when it comes to writing characters and telling tales, cause I don't think TWD S2 is their best work.
I complain out of loooove.
Some people do...not all. I think the people ACTUALLY hated the season won't get past by this for a while.
On this forum, yes definitely. Other than here Season 2 is really well received.
It kinda reminds me of this Fallout forum called "No Mutants Allow". Almost 90% of the members there hate Fallout 3 with a passion, but the game itself is praised highly outside of the forum. Hmmm...
I know, it just seems rather repetitive is all. But like I said before, the writers do need the criticism.
I liked season 2 a lot, my second fav game this year
Edit: or last year that is :P
Nah. If you make a game relying on fanservice then you lose all integrity as far as I'm concerned.
Personally I liked season 2 allot! I get why other people disliked it, especially Amid The Ruins (I disliked that episode)
But I am really sick of seeing the repeated shit over and over again "ugh Carver had potential" "omg the ending in season 2 was so bad" like come on, I may seem like a cunt here but seriously we need to get over the fact that, yes the writers fucked up on some episodes forcing you into things ie: talking to Kenny.. but there's really nothing we can do about it..
Hopefully they make a better Season 3 and not force things down your throat like having a relationship with AJ but I mean that;s not up for us to decide, yes we can try and input ideas but... really it's up to the developers/writers of the game to decide
We need to make it clear that it was a mistake and that Telltale need to change it if they ever want to achieve Season 1 success. It worked for Jurassic Park and it will work for this. Season 2 was one of the worst Telltale Games has to offer, they're capable of way better still (I hope).
I feel we've reached the point where all of the valid criticism has already been voiced and made clear.
It feels like it's devolved more or less into bashing season 2 relentlessly at this point. I mean, it's getting hard to remember the last time I've seen a truly positive thread about it.
Much too hard. Pretty much every thread is bashing S2, and anything that could be criticized has already been criticized several times over. The horse has long since turned to dust, at this point people are beating a pile of ashes.
It's mostly just the people in the forums. The critics and people outside the forums loved it.
Of course. Season One was amazing and fantastic, but I knew there would be no possible way that Season Two would ever live up to it, especially with the original writers leaving. So I lowered my expectations, and honestly Season Two was pretty good. People just bashed it so much because it wasn't as good as Season One.
Perhaps Season Three will be, but I knew Season Two wouldn't.
No, Season 2 was Terrible @ TTG standards. I'm not going into a big debate on why i think this, its been said a million times.
Frankly, even if Vanaman and Rodkin stayed, there's no way Season 2 would have been better than Season 1.
Sure but it would have been much better. They were the original writers (who I presume) created the original cast of characters. Plus since Vanaman planned it out, he at least had a decent idea on how to pan out the entire Season just not in much detail. Season 2 would have never been nowhere near the amazing story-telling of Season 1, but it could have at least come close.
Even still Season 2 in itself is a decent sequel and nothing is saying Season 3 can't be as good if not more good than Season 1.
I would have to say that the people on this website are a little too cruel to this game. I've had plenty of experience playing other new video games in 2014 and would say that S2's story still outshines them by a huge margin. So many stories just fail at trying to get the player to even get a little remotely attached to any characters. As far as Telltale's way of writing compared to S1 of TWD, I think it holds the same kind of quality and people just forget all the mistakes/errors that S1 has made, if not the very same mistakes/errors that S2 has.
Although the thing I've noticed the most about all the complaining about S2 is it's usually coming from the same regular users (no offense fellas it's just an observation) you see on this website. It's not like it's new people signing up everyday complaining about the same problems, more so it's the same people complaining about the same problems over and over again.
Expectations were high. Players believed TTG, now succesfull company, won't ruin it's most famous title and new game will be (at least) as good as Lee's story. It was not. I feel cheated. It's my right to complain. Maybe being hard will help. Maybe TTG will hear and rethink it's plans.
Almost reminds me of Minecraft when it was first announced...
Of course you have a right, he's just saying that it's one thing to criticize the game in hopes that it will be better, it's another to completely shit on it and complain endlessly about it and not offer anything that could improve the game (not saying you do that, but some do).
Seriously Great Writing, like how they kill off Nick, Sarahs character. REHASH THE SAME STORYLINE! YEAH BABY S1 ALL OVER AGAIN.
Plus, did you really expect it to be as good when you take away one of the main reasons why Season 1 was so successful (the Lee and Clementine dynamic) and the two main guys leave and is replaced by a guy who never worked at Telltale prior to TWD S2 (Breckon) but has shown growth in his writing since he started.
Yeah so they killed off characters in TWD... big surprise, but at least we got to know them (if interested) and proved as shining examples that you can't save everyone, people just die. And Telltale also gave you the option to kill them off if you didn't like them which I'm sure some people didn't. Pretty sure I didn't get the same storyline either, just more zombie apocalypse craziness.
Hopefully Season 3 will be Christa Chronicles. Where you play as Clementine with a new group where it gets whittled down, death after death, that feels pointless and predictable, to where you get to the point where you have that finality where you either Let Christa kill someone or you shoot her.
Clementine is either alone again, or with Crazy Christa. You know how much TTG loves rehashing storylines.
GREAT WRITING GO NICK.
Best advice I can give you is to not get S3. Then you'll have nothing to worry or complain about.
Uhm, i probably will get it, but i will wait for a steam 80% sale. The day 1 mentality died with S2. I took days off for this game, now i just shrug my shoulders. Listen i'm not saying its the worst game ever made, like Gone Home. Its good, but TTG after S1 was held to a certain standard, and they fell way below that in S2, in my personal opinion. At this point the only game i am now interested in is TWAU, and that hasn't been announced. Game of Thrones i know the TV show is extremely Risky, i'm not sure if it would be something i would enjoy or not., also unsure about Borderlands.
I'm analyzing 2nd season now, step by step and believe me - it's painful. It's like a middle finger from TTG, no respect for a fan. That is why I'm harsh in my posts. Improve the game? I'm not professional writer. Can give few tips but that's all.
Yes, I was expecting good season. I believed. It was possible. They had success, they had money.
I preferred season 2 the second time around, I got to look at the bits I didn't see before like most of the characters from 400 Days that I didn't pay attention too before, I judge the characters by what I ready new. and made it more fun, was it better than season 1? no but did it still have the same kind of feel, yes. most thing I worrie about is the game changing so much from the Orginal that it dosnt work. the storyline wasn't so good but the characters where good, I wish a lot of them didn't have to dissapear or die. but I did enjoy the game
I admit, I bash on it a lot more than probably necessary. Though my personal interest in the series went down increasingly with Amid the Ruins and No Going Back, the beginning half of the game was very interesting and a good story. So yes, we are too hard on it but most of the criticism it receives is justified.
I thought this forum hates the fact that there was NO fanservice :
"Give Nick and Sarah a so-so death/ shouldn't have killed Luke/ the game shouldn't be so realistic with it's deaths cause it's based on zombie apocalypse which is not realistic AKA Give Sarah and Nick a so-so death/ Carver had so much potential, shouldn't have killed him off"
You guys should stop thinking "S1 will never be surpassed".
Keeping expectations high is your fault.
People dwell on the negative parts of S2 a bit too much, I guess this is what happens when the previous installment of a show/game is so good.
If the game is going to be realistic then yes, a lot of groups will fall apart and people you like will die.
I know of other places that are very critical of Season 2, actually. The "hate" on this forum is pretty mild compared to the critique I've seen.
Suggesting that writers actually utilize unique the characters they create to their full extent, rather than tossing them aside after basic introductions to instead focus on certain fan favorites literally brought back from the dead (who went on to repeat the same story arc they had in season 1), is a pretty fair critique.
Yeah, that's what I said, you guys want all the unique characters (in your opinion) to have a 'deserved' death, which could get unrealistic. Other than that your reply has so much exaggeration I'm not even going to comment on that. Now if the only thing you're going to reply me with is "Zombi apocalypse isn't realistic, so the story shouldn't realistic", then I'm not going to reply.
It's true though, Season 1 can't be surpaassed. Even though I love Breckon, there's no way he can write a story that can top Season 1's.
I know. It's not like conflict, heartbreak, emotional trauma and the repercussions from power weren't complex themes explored in this season. Oh wait-