I see to many people who think that they know everything, and they know how certain people feel in certain situations, which they have never been in. I know better. I've personally never thought about suicide or given any real reason to even think about it, but there was a kid at my school who did commit it. It changed my mind on it really, and I saw how people were affected by such an event and how I was. That was a while ago... The whole moral being that you don't know how someone feels unless you've done the same thing, which is exactly what you said. Pretty much expanded the words I agree into a paragraph.
It's rather irritating when normal people try to empathize by telling you that it isn't that bad, or that it isn't worth it, or what have you. Like they think they understand because they've been sad before. I wish nothing but the best for you Vince
It's like an insane person not knowing right and wrong and kills someone. They didn't know murder was wrong, yet they still did something wrong.
Depression limits their mind to the circumstances of now. It limits their mind to thinking about how much it hurts rather than how much they can contribute to something. It limits their thinking.
Those who suffer yet do good are truly people we should admire. People who ignore their circumstances and focus on the circumstance of others. I don't believe in promising people things will get better. It wouldn't be a promise I couldn't keep, as things may not get better depending on how it plays out. Everyone who suffers from depression for any reason has something they can contribute to this world, and I wont let them forget it. They can change people.
My heart goes out to all those who have committed suicide. We all have potential and it doesn't deserve to be wasted.
'Most' was the key word there. There are people who commit suicide because of someone's death, Katjaa from TWDG as example, since I don't know real people who committed suicide off the top of my head,
One event CAN make you a suicidal, but that depends on the severity of event that happens. Many Japanese people committed suicide because of the surrender of Japan in WW2.
Most all people do get over it, they may recall it and it may make them sad, but that's nothing in comparison to living in a suicidal depres… moresion. Depression and mental illness isn't a spring of the moment thing, one event doesn't cause you to be all of a sudden suicidal. (It could be argued that the event would be the starting point for depression, but correlation does not equal causation.)
In that case at least they have that as an excuse. People like you are selfish when it comes to suicide and you should know it, since you're not "an insane person who kills someone."
as things may not get better depending on how it plays out
Yet even after they have come to the conclusion that it won't get better (most suicides are not actually spur of the moment actions, they are often carefully calculated and contemplated for a long time) you would keep them in a world they deem as never ending misery? The fuck?
It is selfish. They just don't know it.
It's like an insane person not knowing right and wrong and kills someone. They didn't know murd… moreer was wrong, yet they still did something wrong.
Depression limits their mind to the circumstances of now. It limits their mind to thinking about how much it hurts rather than how much they can contribute to something. It limits their thinking.
Those who suffer yet do good are truly people we should admire. People who ignore their circumstances and focus on the circumstance of others. I don't believe in promising people things will get better. It wouldn't be a promise I couldn't keep, as things may not get better depending on how it plays out. Everyone who suffers from depression for any reason has something they can contribute to this world, and I wont let them forget it. They can change people.
My heart goes out to all those who have committed suicide. We all have potential and it doesn't deserve to be wasted.
So you would put the entirety of the people in severe mental distress who want nothing but blissful nothingness in a state where they have to endure the misery of the world around them on the off chance that a person may, perhaps, unlikely not get over the person? You would torture people on that off chance? That's... terrible.
One event CAN make you a suicidal, but that depends on the severity of event that happens. Many Japanese people committed suicide because of the surrender of Japan in WW2.
Cultural. Killing yourself because someone killed themselves is not cultural in the slightest. You don't "maintain your honor" or anything like that. Suicide in the Japanese culture was extremely commonplace, even expected in many, many regards. They didn't kill themselves because they were suicidal depressed, they did it because of the social obligations placed on them.
'Most' was the key word there. There are people who commit suicide because of someone's death, Katjaa from TWDG as example, since I don't kn… moreow real people who committed suicide off the top of my head,
One event CAN make you a suicidal, but that depends on the severity of event that happens. Many Japanese people committed suicide because of the surrender of Japan in WW2.
So you would put the entirety of the people in severe mental distress who want nothing but blissful nothingness in a state where they have to endure the misery of the world around them on the off chance that a person may, perhaps, unlikely not get over the person? You would torture people on that off chance? That's... terrible.
Where the heck did you get any of that from? I have absolutely not idea where, because it certainly didn't come from me.
This thread is about suicide, not depression or mental illness. And where did "killing yourself because someone killed themselves" from? I said surrender. And the Emperor did NOT commit suicide.
So you would put the entirety of the people in severe mental distress who want nothing but blissful nothingness in a state where they have t… moreo endure the misery of the world around them on the off chance that a person may, perhaps, unlikely not get over the person? You would torture people on that off chance? That's... terrible.
One event CAN make you a suicidal, but that depends on the severity of event that happens. Many Japanese people committed suicide because of the surrender of Japan in WW2.
Cultural. Killing yourself because someone killed themselves is not cultural in the slightest. You don't "maintain your honor" or anything like that. Suicide in the Japanese culture was extremely commonplace, even expected in many, many regards. They didn't kill themselves because they were suicidal depressed, they did it because of the social obligations placed on them.
Where the heck did you get any of that from? I have absolutely not idea where, because it certainly didn't come from me.
Soooo people kill themselves when they are not depressed from a mental illness? I can honestly say I've never heard of that, and if it does happen it's damn rare compared to the normal reasons.
That's how you would choose to have it be.
This thread is about suicide, not depression or mental illness. And where did "killing yourself because someone killed themselves" from?
" If anything depression and mental illness can come from death of people you love."
I said surrender.
Yes, suicide was commonplace and even expected in their culture. Suicide is not commonplace nor excepted in our culture.
So you would put the entirety of the people in severe mental distress who want nothing but blissful nothingness in a state where they have t… moreo endure the misery of the world around them on the off chance that a person may, perhaps, unlikely not get over the person? You would torture people on that off chance? That's... terrible.
Where the heck did you get any of that from? I have absolutely not idea where, because it certainly didn't come from me.
This thread is about suicide, not depression or mental illness. And where did "killing yourself because someone killed themselves" from? I said surrender. And the Emperor did NOT commit suicide.
I'm really getting tired of people telling people what to do with their lives. It doesn't matter how you feel about it, if someone wants to die, they should be able to. And those people saying that it's selfish are the ones who are actually selfish. You are only focused on how their death will affect you, what about them? After all it is THEIR life.
Misery doesn't end. I wouldn't lie about it. Happiness is circumstantial, and because of some people's circumstances, happiness is damn near unachievable.
Happiness should not be the seeking goal. We shouldn't seek happiness, because then we look into things that will give us some sort of something, and sometimes that could be pretty bad things. In order to have happiness, you must first change circumstance. An example would be that a person who has a terrible home life. Well, he can change the circumstances of his life. He wont be able to change his home life, but if his focus shifts to other things like helping others, hanging with good friends, etc., then he has then changed the general circumstances of his life. That is a good step toward being content and happy. Issues can be far deeper than that, but happiness and circumstance is tied together.
It is selfish. They just don't know it.
In that case at least they have that as an excuse. People like you are selfish when it comes… more to suicide and you should know it, since you're not "an insane person who kills someone."
as things may not get better depending on how it plays out
Yet even after they have come to the conclusion that it won't get better (most suicides are not actually spur of the moment actions, they are often carefully calculated and contemplated for a long time) you would keep them in a world they deem as never ending misery? The fuck?
Misery doesn't end. I wouldn't lie about it. Happiness is circumstantial, and because of some people's circumstances, happiness is damn near unachievable.
That's the entire point.
Happiness should not be the seeking goal. We shouldn't seek happiness, because then we look into things that will give us some sort of something, and sometimes that could be pretty bad things.
Happiness is the only thing we should look for. If that is brought through helping others, or going to church, or playing video games then so be it. If you cannot be happy, and even more so you hate living, then what reason is there to continue on? So that other people can be happy? Back to "the others" being selfish.
In order to have happiness, you must first change circumstance.
Oh, yes, the petty "change" advice. Please. I honestly don't mean to offend you, but I cannot put into words how ridiculous those words are.
Misery doesn't end. I wouldn't lie about it. Happiness is circumstantial, and because of some people's circumstances, happiness is damn ne… morear unachievable.
Happiness should not be the seeking goal. We shouldn't seek happiness, because then we look into things that will give us some sort of something, and sometimes that could be pretty bad things. In order to have happiness, you must first change circumstance. An example would be that a person who has a terrible home life. Well, he can change the circumstances of his life. He wont be able to change his home life, but if his focus shifts to other things like helping others, hanging with good friends, etc., then he has then changed the general circumstances of his life. That is a good step toward being content and happy. Issues can be far deeper than that, but happiness and circumstance is tied together.
I somewhat agree, but when you search for it, you can search in the wrong areas. Sometimes it doesn't help. Video games can be an escape, but not a solution. I want to help people look for solutions, not escapes.
So that other people can be happy? Back to "the others" being selfish.
Why would the others be selfish? It is certainly possible, but when you bend over for someone and they bend for you too, they are both sacrificing for each other.
Oh, yes, the petty "change" advice.
There is nothing petty about changing something about something. When you have depression, you have to change your outlook, and that could take some support, but it is possible.
Misery doesn't end. I wouldn't lie about it. Happiness is circumstantial, and because of some people's circumstances, happiness is damn near… more unachievable.
That's the entire point.
Happiness should not be the seeking goal. We shouldn't seek happiness, because then we look into things that will give us some sort of something, and sometimes that could be pretty bad things.
Happiness is the only thing we should look for. If that is brought through helping others, or going to church, or playing video games then so be it. If you cannot be happy, and even more so you hate living, then what reason is there to continue on? So that other people can be happy? Back to "the others" being selfish.
In order to have happiness, you must first change circumstance.
Oh, yes, the petty "change" advice. Please. I honestly don't mean to offend you, but I cannot put into words how ridiculous those words are.
I somewhat agree, but when you search for it, you can search in the wrong areas. Sometimes it doesn't help. Video games can be an escape, but not a solution. I want to help people look for solutions, not escapes.
And what is suicide but a solution, even if you don't like it.
Why would the others be selfish?
Because it's selfish to torture someone so that you don't have to feel saddened by their death.
There is nothing petty about changing something about something. When you have depression, you have to change your outlook, and that could take some support, but it is possible.
Not always. And to assume it always is possible is completely foolish. It's easy to say that your outlook can change if you just will it enough, but when you're that far gone your will isn't enough, the drugs aren't enough, the fake as shit sypathies and smug "just try harder to change" sentiments aren't enough, all the bullshit, eventually, isn't enough. When your despair outweighs everything else in the world, then the world isn't enough.
Happiness is the only thing we should look for.
I somewhat agree, but when you search for it, you can search in the wrong areas. So… moremetimes it doesn't help. Video games can be an escape, but not a solution. I want to help people look for solutions, not escapes.
So that other people can be happy? Back to "the others" being selfish.
Why would the others be selfish? It is certainly possible, but when you bend over for someone and they bend for you too, they are both sacrificing for each other.
Oh, yes, the petty "change" advice.
There is nothing petty about changing something about something. When you have depression, you have to change your outlook, and that could take some support, but it is possible.
And what is suicide but a solution, even if you don't like it.
Suicide a solution? It isn't a solution. It is an escape. Suicide doesn't solve the problem, you simply stop working at the problem.
Because it's selfish to torture someone so that you don't have to feel saddened by their death.
So you think that me convincing someone not to kill themselves because the would end up hurting people is bad? I don't do that, I convince them that they still have a purpose to play on Earth, but how is it selfish and bad to keep someone from killing themselves? You got one shot at life, and you can't waste it.
Not always. And to assume it always is possible is completely foolish. It's easy to say that your outlook can change if you just will it enough, but when you're that far gone your will isn't enough, the drugs aren't enough, the fake as shit sypathies and smug "just try harder to change" sentiments aren't enough, all the bullshit, eventually, isn't enough. When your despair outweighs everything else in the world, then the world isn't enough.
I don't let people condemn themselves that easily.
I somewhat agree, but when you search for it, you can search in the wrong areas. Sometimes it doesn't help. Video games can be an escape, bu… moret not a solution. I want to help people look for solutions, not escapes.
And what is suicide but a solution, even if you don't like it.
Why would the others be selfish?
Because it's selfish to torture someone so that you don't have to feel saddened by their death.
There is nothing petty about changing something about something. When you have depression, you have to change your outlook, and that could take some support, but it is possible.
Not always. And to assume it always is possible is completely foolish. It's easy to say that your outlook can change if you just will it enough, but when you're that far gone your will isn't enough, the drugs aren't enough, the fake as shit sypathies and smug "just try harder to change" sentiments aren't enough, all the bullshit, eve… [view original content]
Suicide a solution? It isn't a solution. It is an escape. Suicide doesn't solve the problem, you simply stop working at the problem.
Well that is most certainly not true at all.
So you think that me convincing someone not to kill themselves because the would end up hurting people is bad? I don't do that, I convince them that they still have a purpose to play on Earth, but how is it selfish and bad to keep someone from killing themselves? You got one shot at life, and you can't waste it.
No. This is about deeming suicide as bad or wrong (or selfish in certain regards). You obviously can't force someone to live (and I'd yoy do then you really are a sadistic asshole).
I don't let people condemn themselves that easily.
And what is suicide but a solution, even if you don't like it.
Suicide a solution? It isn't a solution. It is an escape. Suicide … moredoesn't solve the problem, you simply stop working at the problem.
Because it's selfish to torture someone so that you don't have to feel saddened by their death.
So you think that me convincing someone not to kill themselves because the would end up hurting people is bad? I don't do that, I convince them that they still have a purpose to play on Earth, but how is it selfish and bad to keep someone from killing themselves? You got one shot at life, and you can't waste it.
Not always. And to assume it always is possible is completely foolish. It's easy to say that your outlook can change if you just will it enough, but when you're that far gone your will isn't enough, the drugs aren't enough, the fake as shit sypathies and smug "just try harder to change" sentiments aren't enough, all… [view original content]
It is true. If I have a sheet of math problems, I can either find the solution to those problems, or I can take the paper and throw it away. Throwing the paper away didn't solve any of the problems, it wasn't a solution to them, I simply stopped trying.
You obviously can't force someone to live (and I'd yoy do then you really are a sadistic asshole)
I wouldn't be considered sadistic if it was for their betterment and I knew it.
Oh religion. Lawlz.
First of all: don't laugh about my religion.
Second of all: I wasn't even talking about that. I don't let people condemn themselves to death so easily, because I don't give up on people, even when they give up on themselves. They all have a purpose to serve still.
Suicide a solution? It isn't a solution. It is an escape. Suicide doesn't solve the problem, you simply stop working at the problem.
… more Well that is most certainly not true at all.
So you think that me convincing someone not to kill themselves because the would end up hurting people is bad? I don't do that, I convince them that they still have a purpose to play on Earth, but how is it selfish and bad to keep someone from killing themselves? You got one shot at life, and you can't waste it.
No. This is about deeming suicide as bad or wrong (or selfish in certain regards). You obviously can't force someone to live (and I'd yoy do then you really are a sadistic asshole).
I don't let people condemn themselves that easily.
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Oh religion. Lawlz.
A guy I knew killed himself due to his schizophrenia, he was only 20. Yeah, its sad, his family were all distraught, he jumped out of him bedroom window. Sad stuff, but everyone eventually got over it. But he would never have got over his schizophrenia, the mental torture of it. I for one say he did the right thing.
It is true. If I have a sheet of math problems, I can either find the solution to those problems, or I can take the paper and throw it away. Throwing the paper away didn't solve any of the problems, it wasn't a solution to them, I simply stopped trying.
Except the problem is living, so dying is a solution. It's even one of the, if not the most used words to refer to suicide in the form of the phrase "It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem." it may not be the solution you want or like, but it is a solution none the less.
First of all: don't laugh about my religion.Second of all: I wasn't even talking about that.
Sorry, condemnation always has connotations for me for the evil gods in most religions who damn infidels to whichever hell they respectively send people to.
I don't let people condemn themselves to death so easily, because I don't give up on people, even when they give up on themselves. They all have a purpose to serve still.
Have you ever been suicidal before? I'd have to guess not. (Edit: you don't have to answer that, if you have I know it can be very personal.)
Well that is most certainly not true at all.
It is true. If I have a sheet of math problems, I can either find the solution to thos… moree problems, or I can take the paper and throw it away. Throwing the paper away didn't solve any of the problems, it wasn't a solution to them, I simply stopped trying.
You obviously can't force someone to live (and I'd yoy do then you really are a sadistic asshole)
I wouldn't be considered sadistic if it was for their betterment and I knew it.
Oh religion. Lawlz.
First of all: don't laugh about my religion.
Second of all: I wasn't even talking about that. I don't let people condemn themselves to death so easily, because I don't give up on people, even when they give up on themselves. They all have a purpose to serve still.
Soooo people kill themselves when they are not depressed from a mental illness? I can honestly say I've never heard of that, and if it does happen it's damn rare compared to the normal reasons.
It doesn't matter the reason, some people still do kill themselves. Suicide bombers? They are in the news all the time! I've already said Bushido Japan but clearly them killing themselves for a different reason means they are totally to be ignored.
I do not know why you think I want to torture people like that, I never said "I think people who don't get over people's deaths desire priority over mental ill people.' What I was trying to say was "Not everyone commits suicide because of mental illness."
" If anything depression and mental illness can come from death of people you love."
I was referring to the fact that some suicides can be rooted at the death of someone and then go downhill from there. Depression can originate there and usually is why they commit suicide then.
Yes, suicide was commonplace and even expected in their culture. Suicide is not commonplace nor excepted in our culture.
They still committed suicide. Different reasons; same end result. Doesn't mean they should be forgotten entirely.
Okay?
You said "killing yourself because someone killed themselves" and I assumed you were talking about Japan and referring to the Emperor.
Where the heck did you get any of that from? I have absolutely not idea where, because it certainly didn't come from me.
Soooo peopl… moree kill themselves when they are not depressed from a mental illness? I can honestly say I've never heard of that, and if it does happen it's damn rare compared to the normal reasons.
That's how you would choose to have it be.
This thread is about suicide, not depression or mental illness. And where did "killing yourself because someone killed themselves" from?
" If anything depression and mental illness can come from death of people you love."
I said surrender.
Yes, suicide was commonplace and even expected in their culture. Suicide is not commonplace nor excepted in our culture.
And the Emperor did NOT commit suicide.
Okay?
Soooo people kill themselves when they are not depressed from a mental illness? I can honestly say I've never heard of that, and if it does … morehappen it's damn rare compared to the normal reasons.
It doesn't matter the reason, some people still do kill themselves. Suicide bombers? They are in the news all the time! I've already said Bushido Japan but clearly them killing themselves for a different reason means they are totally to be ignored.
I do not know why you think I want to torture people like that, I never said "I think people who don't get over people's deaths desire priority over mental ill people.' What I was trying to say was "Not everyone commits suicide because of mental illness."
" If anything depression and mental illness can come from death of people you love."
I was referring to the fact that some suicides can be rooted at the death of someone and then go downhill from there. Depression can originate ther… [view original content]
I'm really getting tired of people telling people what to do with their lives. It doesn't matter how you feel about it, if someone wants to … moredie, they should be able to. And those people saying that it's selfish are the ones who are actually selfish. You are only focused on how their death will affect you, what about them? After all it is THEIR life.
I sometimes feel very sad, unstaisfied, alone, bored and I have thought about it because it can get real hard sometimes. I can't understand (fully) derpression or other disorders people have these days so I can't judge anyone.
I couldn't ever bring myself to do it, but I just feel sad and bad for those who comitt suicide because it must be real hard and difficult for them. I think people should try their best to recover even if that means to change themselves.
It's just sad. I try not to judge or blame people who have taken their lives, because I don't know what was going through their minds beforehand. I'm still bothered by Amanda Todd's suicide and how she actually reached out for help mere days before she killed herself. It's like a sucker punch when famous, talented people such as Kurt Cobain and Robin Williams are revealed to have met this fate. I just feel sorry for all the victims and how they must have struggled so much.
I'm going to tell a personal story. This happened just recently.
This week hasn't been going so well in my life. Relationships haven't w… moreorked out, feeling a little depressed about myself, about the way my life has ended up. I asked a friend out, and was horribly rejected. Like it was probably one of the worst rejections i've had in a entire life. I didn't take it well, and Friday i decided to get blast drunk because of it. I got soooooooooooooooo drunk to the point i blacked out, i awoke in my kitchen leaning against the cabinet. My boarder collie woke me up. My head was throbbing, i haven't eaten since Thursday, now today is Saturday.
I decide to make a trip to Tim Hortons to get a cup of coffee, so i put on my coat and head out the door. Looking like 3 day old vomit i decided to venture to Tim Hortons to grab a cup of coffee, i pull up and order my coffee. I pull up and see the girl who took my order, she is a ninteen year old re… [view original content]
I'm really getting tired of people telling people what to do with their lives. It doesn't matter how you feel about it, if someone wants to … moredie, they should be able to. And those people saying that it's selfish are the ones who are actually selfish. You are only focused on how their death will affect you, what about them? After all it is THEIR life.
I'm really getting tired of people telling people what to do with their lives. It doesn't matter how you feel about it, if someone wants to … moredie, they should be able to. And those people saying that it's selfish are the ones who are actually selfish. You are only focused on how their death will affect you, what about them? After all it is THEIR life.
Not always, a lot of the people who are on the verge of suicide can be helped, and you shouldn't just "let someone die" if you know you can help him.
Many people on the verge of suicide have been helped, all it takes is one conversation and you might give that person a reason to want to live.
Of course, you can't force them, it's their choice what to do with their life, but just letting them kill themselves when they can be helped is downright stupid.
I'm really getting tired of people telling people what to do with their lives. It doesn't matter how you feel about it, if someone wants to … moredie, they should be able to. And those people saying that it's selfish are the ones who are actually selfish. You are only focused on how their death will affect you, what about them? After all it is THEIR life.
It's rather irritating when normal people try to empathize by telling you that it isn't that bad, or that it isn't worth it, or what have you. Like they think they understand because they've been sad before. I wish nothing but the best for you Vince
It is selfish. They just don't know it.
It's like an insane person not knowing right and wrong and kills someone. They didn't know murd… moreer was wrong, yet they still did something wrong.
Depression limits their mind to the circumstances of now. It limits their mind to thinking about how much it hurts rather than how much they can contribute to something. It limits their thinking.
Those who suffer yet do good are truly people we should admire. People who ignore their circumstances and focus on the circumstance of others. I don't believe in promising people things will get better. It wouldn't be a promise I couldn't keep, as things may not get better depending on how it plays out. Everyone who suffers from depression for any reason has something they can contribute to this world, and I wont let them forget it. They can change people.
My heart goes out to all those who have committed suicide. We all have potential and it doesn't deserve to be wasted.
The pain someone who commits suicide is feeling is not the same as the pain someone who loses someone feels. Life goes on for the people who lose someone, they are temporarily despondent or in temporary despair. Sad, yes, but not nearly so much as living each and every minute of each day is crippling depression.
Oh I suppose you will just watch them kill themselves while eating popcorn, and not do anything to try and help them? If you stand there and do nothing to try and make things better for that person, especially if it's someone close, then there's something wrong with you then.
And those people saying that it's selfish are the ones who are actually selfish.
The way I see it, sometimes selflessness and selfishness goes hand in hand when it comes to relationships. You want them to be happy, and seeing them happy will make you happy. Sometimes you'll feel better about yourself is if you make some one else happy in the process. You don't want them to get hurt and at the same time, the person might not think of it, the fear of the pain that will come from seeing that person get hurt. Hopefully I made sense.
I'm really getting tired of people telling people what to do with their lives. It doesn't matter how you feel about it, if someone wants to … moredie, they should be able to. And those people saying that it's selfish are the ones who are actually selfish. You are only focused on how their death will affect you, what about them? After all it is THEIR life.
Suicide may close the pain on the one who dies, but it's another form of death, and like a plague, it spreads to others who looses that person that loved them. I won't say it's selfish, because bonds were always complicated to begin with. Life is full of endless possibilities, a test. We have moments of bliss, anger, boredom, fear, and misery. We are a race of people born to endure. We are a complicated race of emotions. Not everyone has a happy ending unfortunately. Not everyone can endure as much as the other. But just because of that, doesn't mean you can't try and make something out of life. If you fight back, and don't give in, you'll show the world that you belong. And deserve to live. Sometimes they need to be carried until they can walk again. For the ones that can endure, we are given a responsibility to help those in need. Sympathise, and take in their pain, show them they're not alone. Encourage them to keep going, not by giving them guilt of consequences, but by giving them something meaningful, some good. A purpose they can have in life. Everyone needs a purpose in life to keep going. If you're the one that can endure, pass on that endurance you have to someone who needs it. Now I got a little girl (no I'm not a father) who has suicidal thoughts, and I'm doing everything I can to protect this child. I'm trying to make life easier for her, and give her a reason to keep going. If you got someone who's suicidal, someone's close to you, do what's best for them. Help them, adore them, care for them for what they want, and what you think is best for them. Not for yourself, but for them. Don't do it because of the fear of them dying, do it because you love them. Don't fear of a bad ending, face the long road head on, with hopes of a happy ending. Never give up on the person you love most. They're important to you just as you're important to them.
The pain someone who commits suicide is feeling is not the same as the pain someone who loses someone feels.
Yeah your right, its worse, whatever pain they were feeling was transferred to them, with a side of abandonment, rejection, guilt, and all other sorts of emotions.
The pain someone who commits suicide is feeling is not the same as the pain someone who loses someone feels. Life goes on for the people who… more lose someone, they are temporarily despondent or in temporary despair. Sad, yes, but not nearly so much as living each and every minute of each day is crippling depression.
How is there something wrong with me for letting someone make their own choice? Sometimes things are just too bad and life isn't worth living. Also, it isn't my responsibility to help every suicidal person I may come across.
if someone wants to die, they should be able to.
Oh I suppose you will just watch them kill themselves while eating popcorn, and not… more do anything to try and help them? If you stand there and do nothing to try and make things better for that person, especially if it's someone close, then there's something wrong with you then.
And those people saying that it's selfish are the ones who are actually selfish.
The way I see it, sometimes selflessness and selfishness goes hand in hand when it comes to relationships. You want them to be happy, and seeing them happy will make you happy. Sometimes you'll feel better about yourself is if you make some one else happy in the process. You don't want them to get hurt and at the same time, the person might not think of it, the fear of the pain that will come from seeing that person get hurt. Hopefully I made sense.
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I see to many people who think that they know everything, and they know how certain people feel in certain situations, which they have never been in. I know better. I've personally never thought about suicide or given any real reason to even think about it, but there was a kid at my school who did commit it. It changed my mind on it really, and I saw how people were affected by such an event and how I was. That was a while ago... The whole moral being that you don't know how someone feels unless you've done the same thing, which is exactly what you said. Pretty much expanded the words I agree into a paragraph.
It is selfish. They just don't know it.
It's like an insane person not knowing right and wrong and kills someone. They didn't know murder was wrong, yet they still did something wrong.
Depression limits their mind to the circumstances of now. It limits their mind to thinking about how much it hurts rather than how much they can contribute to something. It limits their thinking.
Those who suffer yet do good are truly people we should admire. People who ignore their circumstances and focus on the circumstance of others. I don't believe in promising people things will get better. It wouldn't be a promise I couldn't keep, as things may not get better depending on how it plays out. Everyone who suffers from depression for any reason has something they can contribute to this world, and I wont let them forget it. They can change people.
My heart goes out to all those who have committed suicide. We all have potential and it doesn't deserve to be wasted.
'Most' was the key word there. There are people who commit suicide because of someone's death, Katjaa from TWDG as example, since I don't know real people who committed suicide off the top of my head,
One event CAN make you a suicidal, but that depends on the severity of event that happens. Many Japanese people committed suicide because of the surrender of Japan in WW2.
In that case at least they have that as an excuse. People like you are selfish when it comes to suicide and you should know it, since you're not "an insane person who kills someone."
Yet even after they have come to the conclusion that it won't get better (most suicides are not actually spur of the moment actions, they are often carefully calculated and contemplated for a long time) you would keep them in a world they deem as never ending misery? The fuck?
So you would put the entirety of the people in severe mental distress who want nothing but blissful nothingness in a state where they have to endure the misery of the world around them on the off chance that a person may, perhaps, unlikely not get over the person? You would torture people on that off chance? That's... terrible.
Cultural. Killing yourself because someone killed themselves is not cultural in the slightest. You don't "maintain your honor" or anything like that. Suicide in the Japanese culture was extremely commonplace, even expected in many, many regards. They didn't kill themselves because they were suicidal depressed, they did it because of the social obligations placed on them.
Where the heck did you get any of that from? I have absolutely not idea where, because it certainly didn't come from me.
This thread is about suicide, not depression or mental illness. And where did "killing yourself because someone killed themselves" from? I said surrender. And the Emperor did NOT commit suicide.
Soooo people kill themselves when they are not depressed from a mental illness? I can honestly say I've never heard of that, and if it does happen it's damn rare compared to the normal reasons.
That's how you would choose to have it be.
" If anything depression and mental illness can come from death of people you love."
Yes, suicide was commonplace and even expected in their culture. Suicide is not commonplace nor excepted in our culture.
Okay?
I'm really getting tired of people telling people what to do with their lives. It doesn't matter how you feel about it, if someone wants to die, they should be able to. And those people saying that it's selfish are the ones who are actually selfish. You are only focused on how their death will affect you, what about them? After all it is THEIR life.
Misery doesn't end. I wouldn't lie about it. Happiness is circumstantial, and because of some people's circumstances, happiness is damn near unachievable.
Happiness should not be the seeking goal. We shouldn't seek happiness, because then we look into things that will give us some sort of something, and sometimes that could be pretty bad things. In order to have happiness, you must first change circumstance. An example would be that a person who has a terrible home life. Well, he can change the circumstances of his life. He wont be able to change his home life, but if his focus shifts to other things like helping others, hanging with good friends, etc., then he has then changed the general circumstances of his life. That is a good step toward being content and happy. Issues can be far deeper than that, but happiness and circumstance is tied together.
That's the entire point.
Happiness is the only thing we should look for. If that is brought through helping others, or going to church, or playing video games then so be it. If you cannot be happy, and even more so you hate living, then what reason is there to continue on? So that other people can be happy? Back to "the others" being selfish.
Oh, yes, the petty "change" advice. Please. I honestly don't mean to offend you, but I cannot put into words how ridiculous those words are.
I somewhat agree, but when you search for it, you can search in the wrong areas. Sometimes it doesn't help. Video games can be an escape, but not a solution. I want to help people look for solutions, not escapes.
Why would the others be selfish? It is certainly possible, but when you bend over for someone and they bend for you too, they are both sacrificing for each other.
There is nothing petty about changing something about something. When you have depression, you have to change your outlook, and that could take some support, but it is possible.
And what is suicide but a solution, even if you don't like it.
Because it's selfish to torture someone so that you don't have to feel saddened by their death.
Not always. And to assume it always is possible is completely foolish. It's easy to say that your outlook can change if you just will it enough, but when you're that far gone your will isn't enough, the drugs aren't enough, the fake as shit sypathies and smug "just try harder to change" sentiments aren't enough, all the bullshit, eventually, isn't enough. When your despair outweighs everything else in the world, then the world isn't enough.
Suicide a solution? It isn't a solution. It is an escape. Suicide doesn't solve the problem, you simply stop working at the problem.
So you think that me convincing someone not to kill themselves because the would end up hurting people is bad? I don't do that, I convince them that they still have a purpose to play on Earth, but how is it selfish and bad to keep someone from killing themselves? You got one shot at life, and you can't waste it.
I don't let people condemn themselves that easily.
Well that is most certainly not true at all.
No. This is about deeming suicide as bad or wrong (or selfish in certain regards). You obviously can't force someone to live (and I'd yoy do then you really are a sadistic asshole).
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Oh religion. Lawlz.
It is true. If I have a sheet of math problems, I can either find the solution to those problems, or I can take the paper and throw it away. Throwing the paper away didn't solve any of the problems, it wasn't a solution to them, I simply stopped trying.
I wouldn't be considered sadistic if it was for their betterment and I knew it.
First of all: don't laugh about my religion.
Second of all: I wasn't even talking about that. I don't let people condemn themselves to death so easily, because I don't give up on people, even when they give up on themselves. They all have a purpose to serve still.
A guy I knew killed himself due to his schizophrenia, he was only 20. Yeah, its sad, his family were all distraught, he jumped out of him bedroom window. Sad stuff, but everyone eventually got over it. But he would never have got over his schizophrenia, the mental torture of it. I for one say he did the right thing.
Except the problem is living, so dying is a solution. It's even one of the, if not the most used words to refer to suicide in the form of the phrase "It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem." it may not be the solution you want or like, but it is a solution none the less.
Sorry, condemnation always has connotations for me for the evil gods in most religions who damn infidels to whichever hell they respectively send people to.
Have you ever been suicidal before? I'd have to guess not. (Edit: you don't have to answer that, if you have I know it can be very personal.)
It doesn't matter the reason, some people still do kill themselves. Suicide bombers? They are in the news all the time! I've already said Bushido Japan but clearly them killing themselves for a different reason means they are totally to be ignored.
I do not know why you think I want to torture people like that, I never said "I think people who don't get over people's deaths desire priority over mental ill people.' What I was trying to say was "Not everyone commits suicide because of mental illness."
I was referring to the fact that some suicides can be rooted at the death of someone and then go downhill from there. Depression can originate there and usually is why they commit suicide then.
They still committed suicide. Different reasons; same end result. Doesn't mean they should be forgotten entirely.
You said "killing yourself because someone killed themselves" and I assumed you were talking about Japan and referring to the Emperor.
You keep naming cultural suicides. The context of the current discussion is obviously not targeting such examples.
This random human gets it!
I sometimes feel very sad, unstaisfied, alone, bored and I have thought about it because it can get real hard sometimes. I can't understand (fully) derpression or other disorders people have these days so I can't judge anyone.
I couldn't ever bring myself to do it, but I just feel sad and bad for those who comitt suicide because it must be real hard and difficult for them. I think people should try their best to recover even if that means to change themselves.
It's just sad. I try not to judge or blame people who have taken their lives, because I don't know what was going through their minds beforehand. I'm still bothered by Amanda Todd's suicide and how she actually reached out for help mere days before she killed herself. It's like a sucker punch when famous, talented people such as Kurt Cobain and Robin Williams are revealed to have met this fate. I just feel sorry for all the victims and how they must have struggled so much.
It's good to hear that things turned around for you.
Hopefully you'll score with that chick!
Ironic.
^This.
I think suicide is a waste.
Life is far to precious to end prematurely.
Life's a gift, and should be viewed and treated as such.
Killing yourself is a permanent choice.
It is a temporary solution to the pain. The pain just transfers to others.
Not always, a lot of the people who are on the verge of suicide can be helped, and you shouldn't just "let someone die" if you know you can help him.
Many people on the verge of suicide have been helped, all it takes is one conversation and you might give that person a reason to want to live.
Of course, you can't force them, it's their choice what to do with their life, but just letting them kill themselves when they can be helped is downright stupid.
Yes they are much Better now
Thanks, I'm glad too.
Thanks m8, I wish best for you too and hope that you or any member of this forum won't have to go throug as hard times as I had to
It may be selfish, but it's pretty difficult to keep going only by thinking that everyone else will remain happy if you don't kill yourself.
Poetic justice.
...No.
It's irony.
The pain someone who commits suicide is feeling is not the same as the pain someone who loses someone feels. Life goes on for the people who lose someone, they are temporarily despondent or in temporary despair. Sad, yes, but not nearly so much as living each and every minute of each day is crippling depression.
You're right. Lol
Oh I suppose you will just watch them kill themselves while eating popcorn, and not do anything to try and help them? If you stand there and do nothing to try and make things better for that person, especially if it's someone close, then there's something wrong with you then.
The way I see it, sometimes selflessness and selfishness goes hand in hand when it comes to relationships. You want them to be happy, and seeing them happy will make you happy. Sometimes you'll feel better about yourself is if you make some one else happy in the process. You don't want them to get hurt and at the same time, the person might not think of it, the fear of the pain that will come from seeing that person get hurt. Hopefully I made sense.
Suicide may close the pain on the one who dies, but it's another form of death, and like a plague, it spreads to others who looses that person that loved them. I won't say it's selfish, because bonds were always complicated to begin with. Life is full of endless possibilities, a test. We have moments of bliss, anger, boredom, fear, and misery. We are a race of people born to endure. We are a complicated race of emotions. Not everyone has a happy ending unfortunately. Not everyone can endure as much as the other. But just because of that, doesn't mean you can't try and make something out of life. If you fight back, and don't give in, you'll show the world that you belong. And deserve to live. Sometimes they need to be carried until they can walk again. For the ones that can endure, we are given a responsibility to help those in need. Sympathise, and take in their pain, show them they're not alone. Encourage them to keep going, not by giving them guilt of consequences, but by giving them something meaningful, some good. A purpose they can have in life. Everyone needs a purpose in life to keep going. If you're the one that can endure, pass on that endurance you have to someone who needs it. Now I got a little girl (no I'm not a father) who has suicidal thoughts, and I'm doing everything I can to protect this child. I'm trying to make life easier for her, and give her a reason to keep going. If you got someone who's suicidal, someone's close to you, do what's best for them. Help them, adore them, care for them for what they want, and what you think is best for them. Not for yourself, but for them. Don't do it because of the fear of them dying, do it because you love them. Don't fear of a bad ending, face the long road head on, with hopes of a happy ending. Never give up on the person you love most. They're important to you just as you're important to them.
Yeah your right, its worse, whatever pain they were feeling was transferred to them, with a side of abandonment, rejection, guilt, and all other sorts of emotions.
Does it?
How is there something wrong with me for letting someone make their own choice? Sometimes things are just too bad and life isn't worth living. Also, it isn't my responsibility to help every suicidal person I may come across.