Yeah your right, its worse, whatever pain they were feeling was transferred to them, with a side of abandonment, rejection, guilt, and all other sorts of emotions.
Not the same severity by any reasonable assessment. It's pretty evident when the one severity causes the person to end their life and the other causes the person to mourn for a while and to reflect after the event. No offense, but I think it's very clear who is in more pain.
The pain someone who commits suicide is feeling is not the same as the pain someone who loses someone feels.
Yeah your right, its wo… morerse, whatever pain they were feeling was transferred to them, with a side of abandonment, rejection, guilt, and all other sorts of emotions.
Life goes on for the people who lose
Does it?
How is there something wrong with me for letting someone make their own choice? Sometimes things are just too bad and life isn't worth living. Also, it isn't my responsibility to help every suicidal person I may come across.
thats fucking stupid. how does it affect me??? i havent dealt with suicide. like i ive thought about it but it doesnt make sense. and it is selfish. they are not thinking about their families, the pain that they will go through the different feelings, hell death dont come cheap. you gotta do all whatever ritual people do, if they bury people a casket, a cemetery, the service, the decorations, the gathering of people coming from different place having to stop and drop what they are doing to go to the funeral. so it is selfish. they just think about themselves. but again there is different circumstances. different people and different people. i get it if the person was terminal or knew he was going to die or had a bad mental disease and that over takes them and take their life. but over lil shit like getting bullied or change that you can change?? thats selfish, and quite honestly pathetic.
I'm really getting tired of people telling people what to do with their lives. It doesn't matter how you feel about it, if someone wants to … moredie, they should be able to. And those people saying that it's selfish are the ones who are actually selfish. You are only focused on how their death will affect you, what about them? After all it is THEIR life.
thats fucking stupid. how does it affect me??? i havent dealt with suicide. like i ive thought about it but it doesnt make sense. and it is … moreselfish. they are not thinking about their families, the pain that they will go through the different feelings, hell death dont come cheap. you gotta do all whatever ritual people do, if they bury people a casket, a cemetery, the service, the decorations, the gathering of people coming from different place having to stop and drop what they are doing to go to the funeral. so it is selfish. they just think about themselves. but again there is different circumstances. different people and different people. i get it if the person was terminal or knew he was going to die or had a bad mental disease and that over takes them and take their life. but over lil shit like getting bullied or change that you can change?? thats selfish, and quite honestly pathetic.
Suicide may close the pain on the one who dies, but it's another form of death, and like a plague, it spreads to others who looses that pers… moreon that loved them. I won't say it's selfish, because bonds were always complicated to begin with. Life is full of endless possibilities, a test. We have moments of bliss, anger, boredom, fear, and misery. We are a race of people born to endure. We are a complicated race of emotions. Not everyone has a happy ending unfortunately. Not everyone can endure as much as the other. But just because of that, doesn't mean you can't try and make something out of life. If you fight back, and don't give in, you'll show the world that you belong. And deserve to live. Sometimes they need to be carried until they can walk again. For the ones that can endure, we are given a responsibility to help those in need. Sympathise, and take in their pain, show them they're not alone. Encourage them to keep going, not by giving th… [view original content]
If that's how they feel, then nobody can change that. What matters to me is that they don't ignore the fact that the person did what they believed was right for them.
For the most part, I think it's a coward's way out.
I was there for a while, wanting to off myself because of a very traumatic experience I had had when I was young. It festered and grew and I really didn't believe for a while there was any reason to go on. Then I grew up, and found that a friend of mine had done just that. I hated suicide after that and find that if you're too cowardly to find a reason to exist, then you'd be better off dead.
I have no remorse for first-world people that hit a speed bump and think dying is the only way out.
For the most part, I think it's a coward's way out.
I was there for a while, wanting to off myself because of a very traumatic experience… more I had had when I was young. It festered and grew and I really didn't believe for a while there was any reason to go on. Then I grew up, and found that a friend of mine had done just that. I hated suicide after that and find that if you're too cowardly to find a reason to exist, then you'd be better off dead.
I have no remorse for first-world people that hit a speed bump and think dying is the only way out.
It takes courage to end your own life because you don't have a reason to keep on living, some people feel too much pain on a daily basis and can't handle it, people are bullied, live through tough times in their life and feel alone in the world but allot of people couldn't off themselves, I know since I've been in those shoes. Although I don't support suicide I understand why people do it, death just seems like a shortcut, a way to end all the pain. Some people can't find a reason to exist, heck some people are practically outcasts in their community and treated differently for being different.
For the most part, I think it's a coward's way out.
I was there for a while, wanting to off myself because of a very traumatic experience… more I had had when I was young. It festered and grew and I really didn't believe for a while there was any reason to go on. Then I grew up, and found that a friend of mine had done just that. I hated suicide after that and find that if you're too cowardly to find a reason to exist, then you'd be better off dead.
I have no remorse for first-world people that hit a speed bump and think dying is the only way out.
Another reason I'm cynical is because of things like this. I live in the country with the second highest suicide rate in the world.
A lot of students kill themselves because of pressure (basically, after school they go to private academies and study until late at night), when they get out into the real world people still work until ridiculously late (and even outside of suicide, there's a relatively high rate of alcoholism), there's a disturbing number of people who kill themselves in the military (which is 2 years mandatory), quasi-arranged marriages aren't uncommon, physical appearance is emphasized (also a problem when looking for work - a photo on resumes is almost always mandatory) to the point where something like 1 in 5 women have had plastic surgery, and worst of all, mental health treatment is still really stigmatized (both socially and when trying to find a job - and there are no laws against discrimination against people with mental problems [at least not any with teeth]).
The response? Work towards fixing those social problems? Not really. They put panels with doors on the subway so people couldn't throw themselves off, they put slogans like 'the sun will come out tomorrow' on a bridge so people don't jump off. Now a concert for raising awareness apparently (which is disturbingly presented by a life insurance company).
It takes much more courage to keep fighting on. Anyone can tie a rope around their neck and kick the chair. Hell, my grandmother did. And it, to this day still affects my mother... who found her swinging in the morning before she was going to school. Explain to me that my grandmother wasn't a fucking lowlife for hanging herself in her bedroom knowing her kids would find her? That's sick, and my mother still has some mental issues with certain things as do I. Cause, as I've I stated, I've been there having late night terrors and would go as so far to pack a blade in my book bag and go to school with the intent of recreating a "Jeremy" scenario. I've been there and I know the "horror" it creates.
As you grow and over time, things just have a habit of fading. Now, I have a beautiful girlfriend who loves me and I her. I have a job, make some money, share laughs and am now reformed into society. And all it took was some persistence, affection, a little music, and some Kleenex. It CAN be gotten over, just surround yourself with positivity and your outlook will change.
It takes courage to end your own life because you don't have a reason to keep on living, some people feel too much pain on a daily basis and… more can't handle it, people are bullied, live through tough times in their life and feel alone in the world but allot of people couldn't off themselves, I know since I've been in those shoes. Although I don't support suicide I understand why people do it, death just seems like a shortcut, a way to end all the pain. Some people can't find a reason to exist, heck some people are practically outcasts in their community and treated differently for being different.
Yeah your right, its worse, whatever pain they were feeling was transferred to them, with a side of abandonment, rejection, guilt, and all o… morether sorts of emotions.
Not the same severity by any reasonable assessment. It's pretty evident when the one severity causes the person to end their life and the other causes the person to mourn for a while and to reflect after the event. No offense, but I think it's very clear who is in more pain.
Does it?
Yes.
The life I knew before I cut my toe nail is different. Sure they have a new, not so fond memory, but that pails in comparison to what the person who has commited suicide is/was going through. Again, back to the two severities. Life does go on.
It takes much more courage to keep fighting on. Anyone can tie a rope around their neck and kick the chair. Hell, my grandmother did. And it… more, to this day still affects my mother... who found her swinging in the morning before she was going to school. Explain to me that my grandmother wasn't a fucking lowlife for hanging herself in her bedroom knowing her kids would find her? That's sick, and my mother still has some mental issues with certain things as do I. Cause, as I've I stated, I've been there having late night terrors and would go as so far to pack a blade in my book bag and go to school with the intent of recreating a "Jeremy" scenario. I've been there and I know the "horror" it creates.
As you grow and over time, things just have a habit of fading. Now, I have a beautiful girlfriend who loves me and I her. I have a job, make some money, share laughs and am now reformed into society. And all it took was some persistence, affection, … [view original content]
Surround yourself with positivity and you WILL get over the heartache.
Couldn't be more simple. Whether that means going to church and "finding God" or doing what I did and just started running to boost your endorphins. Anything can work; listen to music, call a suicide hotline, talk it out with anyone that'll listen.
Be brave and grit it out 'till it's gone, cause it WILL go away eventually.
The life I knew before I cut my toe nail is different. Sure they have a new, not so fond memory, but that pails in comparison to what the person who has commited suicide is/was going through. Again, back to the two severities. Life does go on.
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Not the same severity by any reasonable assessment. It's pretty evident when the one severity causes the person to end their life and the other causes the person to mourn for a while and to reflect after the event. No offense, but I think it's very clear who is in more pain.
Yes.
I believe if you know someone can/will commit suicide and you don't help them or notify someone and they do, you can be prosecuted I think.
then why should we feel sad?
thats fucking stupid. how does it affect me??? i havent dealt with suicide. like i ive thought about it but it doesnt make sense. and it is selfish. they are not thinking about their families, the pain that they will go through the different feelings, hell death dont come cheap. you gotta do all whatever ritual people do, if they bury people a casket, a cemetery, the service, the decorations, the gathering of people coming from different place having to stop and drop what they are doing to go to the funeral. so it is selfish. they just think about themselves. but again there is different circumstances. different people and different people. i get it if the person was terminal or knew he was going to die or had a bad mental disease and that over takes them and take their life. but over lil shit like getting bullied or change that you can change?? thats selfish, and quite honestly pathetic.
I think that's only if you bully someone and drive them to suicide.
I think you really "have" to do any of that.
smh Tobi has it spot on down the bottom of this thread much better then I could debate I recommend everyone check it out
Spot on bro
If that's how they feel, then nobody can change that. What matters to me is that they don't ignore the fact that the person did what they believed was right for them.
For the most part, I think it's a coward's way out.
I was there for a while, wanting to off myself because of a very traumatic experience I had had when I was young. It festered and grew and I really didn't believe for a while there was any reason to go on. Then I grew up, and found that a friend of mine had done just that. I hated suicide after that and find that if you're too cowardly to find a reason to exist, then you'd be better off dead.
I have no remorse for first-world people that hit a speed bump and think dying is the only way out.
So your friend was a coward then?
Yes. And for a time after, I hated him because of the legacy he left behind as a result of his suicide.
It takes courage to end your own life because you don't have a reason to keep on living, some people feel too much pain on a daily basis and can't handle it, people are bullied, live through tough times in their life and feel alone in the world but allot of people couldn't off themselves, I know since I've been in those shoes. Although I don't support suicide I understand why people do it, death just seems like a shortcut, a way to end all the pain. Some people can't find a reason to exist, heck some people are practically outcasts in their community and treated differently for being different.
Another reason I'm cynical is because of things like this. I live in the country with the second highest suicide rate in the world.
A lot of students kill themselves because of pressure (basically, after school they go to private academies and study until late at night), when they get out into the real world people still work until ridiculously late (and even outside of suicide, there's a relatively high rate of alcoholism), there's a disturbing number of people who kill themselves in the military (which is 2 years mandatory), quasi-arranged marriages aren't uncommon, physical appearance is emphasized (also a problem when looking for work - a photo on resumes is almost always mandatory) to the point where something like 1 in 5 women have had plastic surgery, and worst of all, mental health treatment is still really stigmatized (both socially and when trying to find a job - and there are no laws against discrimination against people with mental problems [at least not any with teeth]).
The response? Work towards fixing those social problems? Not really. They put panels with doors on the subway so people couldn't throw themselves off, they put slogans like 'the sun will come out tomorrow' on a bridge so people don't jump off. Now a concert for raising awareness apparently (which is disturbingly presented by a life insurance company).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=trueview-instream&v=UAqWVbgdAh4
I can't complain too much, the band at the end is one I really like (called Dear Cloud)
It takes much more courage to keep fighting on. Anyone can tie a rope around their neck and kick the chair. Hell, my grandmother did. And it, to this day still affects my mother... who found her swinging in the morning before she was going to school. Explain to me that my grandmother wasn't a fucking lowlife for hanging herself in her bedroom knowing her kids would find her? That's sick, and my mother still has some mental issues with certain things as do I. Cause, as I've I stated, I've been there having late night terrors and would go as so far to pack a blade in my book bag and go to school with the intent of recreating a "Jeremy" scenario. I've been there and I know the "horror" it creates.
As you grow and over time, things just have a habit of fading. Now, I have a beautiful girlfriend who loves me and I her. I have a job, make some money, share laughs and am now reformed into society. And all it took was some persistence, affection, a little music, and some Kleenex. It CAN be gotten over, just surround yourself with positivity and your outlook will change.
I disagree, the life you knew, the person you were, they are all gone, and all is left is someone else you hardly know.
The life I knew before I cut my toe nail is different. Sure they have a new, not so fond memory, but that pails in comparison to what the person who has commited suicide is/was going through. Again, back to the two severities. Life does go on.
Everyone is not the same, you may have been there and got through it but not every person can. What can you not understand?
Surround yourself with positivity and you WILL get over the heartache.
Couldn't be more simple. Whether that means going to church and "finding God" or doing what I did and just started running to boost your endorphins. Anything can work; listen to music, call a suicide hotline, talk it out with anyone that'll listen.
Be brave and grit it out 'till it's gone, cause it WILL go away eventually.
Okay.
I'm done, agree to disagree.