The difference between murdering an innocent person, and legally executing someone for a heinous crime, such as
murder, rape, etc, are two completely different things.
There are a lot, but I will give you one because I don't feel like getting into an argument right now. In the thread about if you were a rul… moreer. In a previous thread you ranted about your disapproval of murderers, but you went on how you would execute all types of people, some of who don't even deserve it, nonetheless it's very hypocritical.
The difference between murdering an innocent person, and legally executing someone for a heinous crime, such as
murder, rape, etc, are two completely different things.
No one being burned for being a witch, killed for being the wrong religion for the time, education accessible for everyone, better help for poor people. This is the western world I'm talking about.
"This article gives 5 good moral standings and 5 terrible moral standings. Since people are too stupid to make their own moral choices we should just adopt all 10 because then at least we have 50 percent good morals."
Right. The bible is such a great book to derive morality from. Especially the old testament amirite gais??
I have contempt for it bec… moreause saying something harmless that you can't control is evil and worthy of death or "fixing" fucking digusts me. Get off your high horse. And even then, that contempt only extends to assholes. I know several good-natured religious people who don't try and force people to accept their backwards "morality".
In hindsight, I doubt I'm gonna change your mind, and I'd rather not get into something circular, neverending debate like that abortion thread.
I'll admit that it does have some respectable morals, but I still can't accept a book as my source of good conduct when it advocates for some of the outdated stuff that it does. And if I did, I would take a very critical approach to the those sorts of things.
I already accomplished what I wanted to. And that was to show that he is a hypocrite calling other people hypocrites. What do you hope to accomplish by constantly riding him and backing him up?
I wasn't naming anyone specifically, though.
I wasn't directing my words towards any-one particular person.
I was making an in-general observation of the behavior of many today.
And have you noticed, nobody else started attacking me for my in-general remarks?
You're the only one.
As the old-saying goes: "Me thinks thou protests to much."
And the only reason I responded to your verbal assaults, is quite frankly, they're unfair of you to make, especially since you know nothing of me as a person.
Um, considering the word 'integrity''s meaning is completely defined by its use in the modern world it HAS to mean something in the modern world, or else it wouldn't be a word.
What are people defining as integrity here, anyway?
How is it hypocritical? Why must you look at it so black in white? Obviously the context is entirely different. Execution is punishment, and it's punishment that fits the crime. It doesn't even remotely compare to unjustly murdering an innocent individual. Murder and execution are quite clearly not the same thing, therefore you can support the death penalty but also be very against murder without being hypocritical. Bringing justice upon a murderer, making sure he can never harm anyone ever again, does not compare to murdering an innocent person.
Let me ask you, using the scenario you brought up: Is it hypocritical for me to want justice for the victim and their family?
Think about the harm that the perpetrator caused, not only towards the victim, but also to the victim's family.
If he murdered someone else, why should he be allowed to continue living, when he took someone else's life?
So how is it just, to let that man to continue to live?
The law is suppose to protect the innocent!
But today, it is built to protect the criminal, which is no surprise since most politicians today are corrupt themselves, and hope to use the law to their advantage if they're ever caught in an illegal situation.
I already accomplished what I wanted to. And that was to show that he is a hypocrite calling other people hypocrites. What do you hope to accomplish by constantly riding him and backing him up?
Let me ask you, using the scenario you brought up: Is it hypocritical for me to want justice for the victim and their family?
Think about t… morehe harm that the perpetrator caused, not only towards the victim, but also to the victim's family.
If he murdered someone else, why should he be allowed to continue living, when he took someone else's life?
So how is it just, to let that man to continue to live?
The law is suppose to protect the innocent!
But today, it is built to protect the criminal, which is no surprise since most politicians today are corrupt themselves, and hope to use the law to their advantage if they're ever caught in an illegal situation.
No, it's called retribution.
A man being executed for committing murder, is justice.
And as far as those who sell drugs, have you ever seen what drugs do to people.
The lives that are destroyed because of people getting hooked on them.
Some of them being innocent kids, who started doing drugs, all because someone said: "Try this."
And thus, these kids end up suffering needlessly, all because of someone's greed.
How is it hypocritical? Why must you look at it so black in white? Obviously the context is entirely different. Execution is punishment, and… more it's punishment that fits the crime. It doesn't even remotely compare to unjustly murdering an innocent individual. Murder and execution are quite clearly not the same thing, therefore you can support the death penalty but also be very against murder without being hypocritical. Bringing justice upon a murderer, making sure he can never harm anyone ever again, does not compare to murdering an innocent person.
It would mean something if there aren't wars, propaganda, greed, sterotypes, etc. But, the important idea isn't "Does integrity exist?", the… more important idea is "Can you make integrity exist?". It starts somewhere, and it starts with you.
I say "you" to say "we, you, and humanity".
Um, considering the word 'integrity''s meaning is completely defined by its use in the modern world it HAS to mean something in the modern world, or else it wouldn't be a word.
What are people defining as integrity here, anyway?
We all need to see it (the sun) at least once in our life time, no matter what it is. It may not always be a spiritual awakening, but surely an awakening from pseudolife to reality.
Let's be honest, people are egoistic. The day we reach perfection will be the day when we know we sin (and blaming ourselves) as much as we know that everybody else sin too.
Just imagine if all the billionaires took all their money, and used that money to make the world a better place. I've seen people literally starved to death. I give what i could but i didn't have much at the time. People are dying needlessly, some people would say, well maybe that was their fate, like abortion. I find that to be a bleak outlook.
We are all given the lives that we are given, i don't know why my i had my parents, and you had yours. There is some meaning in all of this madness if we can just see through the fog. Keep looking toward the shoreline. You will find what you are looking for.
that is why i like you.
I like you to
[I] saw the sun for the first time
We all need to see it (the sun) at least onc… moree in our life time, no matter what it is. It may not always be a spiritual awakening, but surely an awakening from pseudolife to reality.
Let's be honest, people are egoistic. The day we reach perfection will be the day when we know we sin (and blaming ourselves) as much as we know that everybody else sin too.
Unfortunetly, there are many words that don't have a meaning. Look at "equality", "justice" and "love". They are words but they have lost their true meaning in the Modern World.
Um, considering the word 'integrity''s meaning is completely defined by its use in the modern world it HAS to mean something in the modern world, or else it wouldn't be a word.
What are people defining as integrity here, anyway?
People are killed for other reasons, does it make any difference what reason someone loses their life? A life lost is a life lost. If you wish to correlate statistics between witch burnings, gay violence, racial violence, whatever be my guest.
No one being burned for being a witch, killed for being the wrong religion for the time, education accessible for everyone, better help for poor people. This is the western world I'm talking about.
The truth has been spoken, was spoken, and nothing else is too be said. I must agree with your view of reality as it is, not just as it appears to be. May the rich help the poor. May the smart teach the children. May nobody suffer more then they have to. All people should start making an effort to improve themselves and the world instead of gread and self love. Our lives are pure luck. May the light of truth shine on everything that's dark because, the truth, will set us free.
Just imagine if all the billionaires took all their money, and used that money to make the world a better place. I've seen people literally… more starved to death. I give what i could but i didn't have much at the time. People are dying needlessly, some people would say, well maybe that was their fate, like abortion. I find that to be a bleak outlook.
We are all given the lives that we are given, i don't know why my i had my parents, and you had yours. There is some meaning in all of this madness if we can just see through the fog. Keep looking toward the shoreline. You will find what you are looking for.
No one being burned for being a witch
1/6 children are hungry in america
killed for being the wrong religion for the time
… more
People are killed for other reasons, does it make any difference what reason someone loses their life? A life lost is a life lost. If you wish to correlate statistics between witch burnings, gay violence, racial violence, whatever be my guest.
education accessible for everyone
If you can afford it.
My bringing up the Bible was not to spark a religious debate.
I was just simply acknowledging that it is where old-school values, like inte… moregrity, come from.
And the point of my whole comment, was to illustrate the selfish attitude of most people today.
As I said, most people hate to see bad things happening the world, and might even protest it, but if you were to ask them to do much more than that, they would be unwilling to do so.
For example, many complain about pollution.
But have you ever noticed that many of these same people throw their trash wherever they want, instead of just taking a few extra steps to throw it in the trash can?
Also, some might complain about crime in an area.
But when the police actually step up and do their job, that of serving and protecting, these very same people complain about that too, often times citing the police with harassment.
And if in the line of duty, the police are forced to put a potenti… [view original content]
Um, but that's bullshit. If you ask people what equality means, they know. If you ask people what justice means, they know. If you ask people what love means, they know.
I don't even understand where you're coming from with equality: people are more equal now than they've been ever before in civilised humanity.
How has love lost its meaning? When was it lost? Who's definition of love is the 'true' one? Why is it more true than anyone else's?
Hey Flog.
Unfortunetly, there are many words that don't have a meaning. Look at "equality", "justice" and "love". They are words but they have lost their true meaning in the Modern World.
If you ask people what equality means, they know. If you ask people what justice means, they know. If you ask people what love means, they know.
I know the meaning and you too, but I'm sure your meaning of justice, love and equality is different from mine.
I don't even understand where you're coming from with equality: people are more equal now than they've been ever before in civilised humanity.
Obviously we're more equal now then, let's say, the 700's or the late 1930's in Germany. But do you mean "equality" in security? In voting rights? In freedom of expression opinions and sexual orientation? Yes, but no. We're equal (legally, but maybe not morally) in all of what I asked previously. And I say we as in (some) First World countries. But, "equality" can be also for the same amount of wealth, happiness, respect and equal treatment in justice for all people (and we're not all equal in those things).
How has love lost its meaning? When was it lost?
Do you know the phrase "the more laws you have, the freer you are"? If you do not know what that means, I'm going to give you an exemple: In "The Purge" the movie, there are no laws and no authority for a time. Everybody is free... by making others living without freedome. The law of the wild. Now that I've cleared that out, do you think that your partner will not leave you for someone else because of love? Your partner is able to do it freely. Who's the blame? Nobody, because that's love. Of course, I'm not saying that we shall turn towards religious traditions with "Till Death Do Us Part" like fanatics. I'm just saying that "that" love has faded to "partnership".
Who's definition of love is the 'true' one? Why is it more true than anyone else's?
The defenition of "true" love, in my opinion, is the same love that parents have to their child/children. The parents feel the need to take care of the child/children as much as possible and as long as possible. Another exemple is when you fall in love with someone. You try to improve yourself to be the best person in the eyes of the one you love. But, of course, that's my opinion. May you feel free to explain the flaws of my opinion.
Um, but that's bullshit. If you ask people what equality means, they know. If you ask people what justice means, they know. If you ask peopl… moree what love means, they know.
I don't even understand where you're coming from with equality: people are more equal now than they've been ever before in civilised humanity.
How has love lost its meaning? When was it lost? Who's definition of love is the 'true' one? Why is it more true than anyone else's?
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Ok, how is weed destroying someone's life?
But if you mean he wasn't hypocritical about what was being discussed in this thread, then maybe not.
Here's two lives literally destroyed.
The difference between murdering an innocent person, and legally executing someone for a heinous crime, such as
murder, rape, etc, are two completely different things.
That's not really definitive.
That's bullshit, I don't care if it's legal, it's still hypocritical.
I had no idea, but it doesn't surprise me. We're just as barbaric and violent as we were 1000 years ago.
Even if you don't agree with me, you don't have to insult me.
After all, I haven't treated you in that manner.
Exactly what do you hope to accomplish by doing this if you don't mind me asking?
Exactly what do you hope to accomplish by doing this?
No one being burned for being a witch, killed for being the wrong religion for the time, education accessible for everyone, better help for poor people. This is the western world I'm talking about.
Corrolation does not equal causation.
"This article gives 5 good moral standings and 5 terrible moral standings. Since people are too stupid to make their own moral choices we should just adopt all 10 because then at least we have 50 percent good morals."
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What happened to your other account?
I already accomplished what I wanted to. And that was to show that he is a hypocrite calling other people hypocrites. What do you hope to accomplish by constantly riding him and backing him up?
I wasn't naming anyone specifically, though.
I wasn't directing my words towards any-one particular person.
I was making an in-general observation of the behavior of many today.
And have you noticed, nobody else started attacking me for my in-general remarks?
You're the only one.
As the old-saying goes: "Me thinks thou protests to much."
And the only reason I responded to your verbal assaults, is quite frankly, they're unfair of you to make, especially since you know nothing of me as a person.
Um, considering the word 'integrity''s meaning is completely defined by its use in the modern world it HAS to mean something in the modern world, or else it wouldn't be a word.
What are people defining as integrity here, anyway?
How is it hypocritical? Why must you look at it so black in white? Obviously the context is entirely different. Execution is punishment, and it's punishment that fits the crime. It doesn't even remotely compare to unjustly murdering an innocent individual. Murder and execution are quite clearly not the same thing, therefore you can support the death penalty but also be very against murder without being hypocritical. Bringing justice upon a murderer, making sure he can never harm anyone ever again, does not compare to murdering an innocent person.
Let me ask you, using the scenario you brought up: Is it hypocritical for me to want justice for the victim and their family?
Think about the harm that the perpetrator caused, not only towards the victim, but also to the victim's family.
If he murdered someone else, why should he be allowed to continue living, when he took someone else's life?
So how is it just, to let that man to continue to live?
The law is suppose to protect the innocent!
But today, it is built to protect the criminal, which is no surprise since most politicians today are corrupt themselves, and hope to use the law to their advantage if they're ever caught in an illegal situation.
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You have clearly missed the point.
No, it's called retribution.
A man being executed for committing murder, is justice.
And as far as those who sell drugs, have you ever seen what drugs do to people.
The lives that are destroyed because of people getting hooked on them.
Some of them being innocent kids, who started doing drugs, all because someone said: "Try this."
And thus, these kids end up suffering needlessly, all because of someone's greed.
Thank you so much Belan, for your support.
You actually were able to illustrate my point better than I have been able to.
Again, thank you!
i know, that is why i like you. I recently had a spiritual awakening, and saw the sun for the first time.
Good question.
Ugh. This thread is so pointless. Nothing is going to change with everyone whining about how bad the world is. If you're upset, do something.
I like you to
We all need to see it (the sun) at least once in our life time, no matter what it is. It may not always be a spiritual awakening, but surely an awakening from pseudolife to reality.
Let's be honest, people are egoistic. The day we reach perfection will be the day when we know we sin (and blaming ourselves) as much as we know that everybody else sin too.
Just imagine if all the billionaires took all their money, and used that money to make the world a better place. I've seen people literally starved to death. I give what i could but i didn't have much at the time. People are dying needlessly, some people would say, well maybe that was their fate, like abortion. I find that to be a bleak outlook.
We are all given the lives that we are given, i don't know why my i had my parents, and you had yours. There is some meaning in all of this madness if we can just see through the fog. Keep looking toward the shoreline. You will find what you are looking for.
I know, its a huge problem with society. The ego could be the downfall of man.
Hey Flog.
Unfortunetly, there are many words that don't have a meaning. Look at "equality", "justice" and "love". They are words but they have lost their true meaning in the Modern World.
1/6 children are hungry in america
People are killed for other reasons, does it make any difference what reason someone loses their life? A life lost is a life lost. If you wish to correlate statistics between witch burnings, gay violence, racial violence, whatever be my guest.
If you can afford it.
Hence the creation of this thread. People have taken it way off topic. It has nothing to do with the bible and all about Accountability.
The truth has been spoken, was spoken, and nothing else is too be said. I must agree with your view of reality as it is, not just as it appears to be. May the rich help the poor. May the smart teach the children. May nobody suffer more then they have to. All people should start making an effort to improve themselves and the world instead of gread and self love. Our lives are pure luck. May the light of truth shine on everything that's dark because, the truth, will set us free.
I never said there were no longer problems in the world, stop strawmanning me.
I just said a lot of problems from the past are no more.
The Bible is not where values like integrity come from.
I study ancient greek poetry which preceeds the Bible by 1000 years, and integrity is extremely important, as is chastity, bravery, etc.
The Bible did not give us these ideals; they have been part of our society for far longer than that book's inception.
Yep, this.
Ancient Greece yo. Christian values aren't as unique as they'd like to think.
Human society defined how the Bible was written, not the other way around.
Um, but that's bullshit. If you ask people what equality means, they know. If you ask people what justice means, they know. If you ask people what love means, they know.
I don't even understand where you're coming from with equality: people are more equal now than they've been ever before in civilised humanity.
How has love lost its meaning? When was it lost? Who's definition of love is the 'true' one? Why is it more true than anyone else's?
I know the meaning and you too, but I'm sure your meaning of justice, love and equality is different from mine.
Obviously we're more equal now then, let's say, the 700's or the late 1930's in Germany. But do you mean "equality" in security? In voting rights? In freedom of expression opinions and sexual orientation? Yes, but no. We're equal (legally, but maybe not morally) in all of what I asked previously. And I say we as in (some) First World countries. But, "equality" can be also for the same amount of wealth, happiness, respect and equal treatment in justice for all people (and we're not all equal in those things).
Do you know the phrase "the more laws you have, the freer you are"? If you do not know what that means, I'm going to give you an exemple: In "The Purge" the movie, there are no laws and no authority for a time. Everybody is free... by making others living without freedome. The law of the wild. Now that I've cleared that out, do you think that your partner will not leave you for someone else because of love? Your partner is able to do it freely. Who's the blame? Nobody, because that's love. Of course, I'm not saying that we shall turn towards religious traditions with "Till Death Do Us Part" like fanatics. I'm just saying that "that" love has faded to "partnership".
The defenition of "true" love, in my opinion, is the same love that parents have to their child/children. The parents feel the need to take care of the child/children as much as possible and as long as possible. Another exemple is when you fall in love with someone. You try to improve yourself to be the best person in the eyes of the one you love. But, of course, that's my opinion. May you feel free to explain the flaws of my opinion.
Inform youself before you speak. Enough said.