In my perspective, someone who is evil is someone who has no reason to be good, you know allot of the time, antagonists perceive the protagonists to be evil and vice versa, evil to me doesn't feel like a word that can truly describe someone, when it comes to morality people can be morally evil but there are those who don't perceive as evil. What I'm trying to say is that anyone can be evil in someone else's eyes.
And the other wrong costs an even greater expense; The life of a human baby.
They also had no control in what happened, and it's not thei… morer fault for existing, who are we to selfishly take the right of a human to live, just because giving birth to it is a pain? Why should the baby not get his undeniable right to live for the sake of the mother not giving birth to him?
Again, I think it would be best if anyone who wants to talk about this subject would do it in a PM, and not here
The size of the human does not legitimize their murder.
No, I'm saying that she has no right to kill it, because the baby is a human being and if she doesn't want him, she can give him up for adoption. There are countless married couples who can't reproduce and would love to take care of her baby.
The trauma of the rape is unfortunate, but it does not justify murder.
Before 3 months the fetus is barley the size of a 10c coin. It's not murder.
If a woman is raped you are saying she should raise and care for a baby she didn't want in the first place? On top of the trauma brought on by rape?
The size of the human does not legitimize their murder.
No, I'm saying that she has no right to kill it, because the baby is a human bein… moreg and if she doesn't want him, she can give him up for adoption. There are countless married couples who can't reproduce and would love to take care of her baby.
The trauma of the rape is unfortunate, but it does not justify murder.
It is "a person". By the 8th week (correct me if I'm wrong), the baby has all of his organs and has a functioning brain that can react to its environment - if you don't consider a fetus in its first moments a "human being", then you at least oughtta consider a fetus with a working brain a "human baby." Life begins at conception, this is the common scientific knowledge as of today, if you abolish a human fetus, you are abolishing human life. Most fetuses are aborted after the 8th week, even though a fetus is a human being from the very start.
It is "a person". By the 8th week (correct me if I'm wrong), the baby has all of his organs and has a functioning brain that can react to it… mores environment - if you don't consider a fetus in its first moments a "human being", then you at least oughtta consider a fetus with a working brain a "human baby." Life begins at conception, this is the common scientific knowledge as of today, if you abolish a human fetus, you are abolishing human life. Most fetuses are aborted after the 8th week, even though a fetus is a human being from the very start.
What I'm saying is not a belief, and it certainly isn't a "backwards belief", it's a simple fact.
Fetus = human
Murdering a human = murdering a fetus
If you disagree with what I'm saying, supply an actual argument to disprove it, saying you "won't win" because of my "backwards belief" seems like an excuse to escape an argument you cannot manage to counter.
I can be convinced of anything, as long as there is reason behind it.
That's the thing with "evil". People try to make it into some kind of magical substance that only certain people have. It allows them to think "Oh, I would never do things like that. I'm not capable of it. I'm a good person. Only evil people do things like that, people who have evil inside them."
That is not what evil is. The root of evil is becoming so locked into your own personal beliefs about reality that you start seeing it as reality. You start thinking you have what's Absolutely Right and Absolutely True, so you then feel justified in harming or punishing other beings for being "wrong".
Watch the movie Downfall. It's about Hitler's last days in a bunker in Berlin. There was such discomfort in Germany about that movie, for many understandable and valid reasons, but one of the most interesting reasons was because no one wanted to admit that Hitler was actually a human being. It's much more comfortable to think he was a monster, completely insane, because that way we don't have to see the Hitler inside each of us. It's not that the film portrays him as a good person, just that it shows he was a person. A crazy, deluded person...but a person. And a person any of us can become if we too become totally convinced that we are RIGHT, and everyone else is WRONG, and dammit we will KILL THEM if they don't get with the program! That impulse is inside all of us, it's just a matter of how each of us address that emotion. /end copypasta
People say Hitler is the worst but no its Stalin. He did the most killing of his own people while Hitler cared and worked wonders for Germany, Stalin never did anything good for anyone
I wouldn't define Joel as evil. If anything, he is an anti-hero (a central character in a story, movie, or drama who lacks conventional heroic attributes.) Similar to Rick Grimes, Walter White, and Bigby.
Joel is actually quite evil. What with him dooming the human race further because of his own insecurities...
Still, I love Joel. He's like a big lovably evil teddy bear.
So, here's to being evil as shit and managing to still be lovable.
His capacity to do evil shit makes him a candidate for sure. He confesses murdering innocent people to Ellie after she asks in Philadelphia. As well as Tommy saying "he has nothing but nightmares" from the time Joel watched after him back in Boston after his daughter died.
Although we're never shown those times. It's clear Joel was a sick bastard back in the day.
I wouldn't define Joel as evil. If anything, he is an anti-hero (a central character in a story, movie, or drama who lacks conventional heroic attributes.) Similar to Rick Grimes, Walter White, and Bigby.
People say Hitler is the worst but no its Stalin. He did the most killing of his own people while Hitler cared and worked wonders for Germany, Stalin never did anything good for anyone
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In my perspective, someone who is evil is someone who has no reason to be good, you know allot of the time, antagonists perceive the protagonists to be evil and vice versa, evil to me doesn't feel like a word that can truly describe someone, when it comes to morality people can be morally evil but there are those who don't perceive as evil. What I'm trying to say is that anyone can be evil in someone else's eyes.
Before 3 months the fetus is barley the size of a 10c coin. It's not murder.
If a woman is raped you are saying she should raise and care for a baby she didn't want in the first place? On top of the trauma brought on by rape?
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The size of the human does not legitimize their murder.
No, I'm saying that she has no right to kill it, because the baby is a human being and if she doesn't want him, she can give him up for adoption. There are countless married couples who can't reproduce and would love to take care of her baby.
The trauma of the rape is unfortunate, but it does not justify murder.
My point about the size of baby was that it hasn't even developed into a person yet. So it isn't murder.
It is "a person". By the 8th week (correct me if I'm wrong), the baby has all of his organs and has a functioning brain that can react to its environment - if you don't consider a fetus in its first moments a "human being", then you at least oughtta consider a fetus with a working brain a "human baby." Life begins at conception, this is the common scientific knowledge as of today, if you abolish a human fetus, you are abolishing human life. Most fetuses are aborted after the 8th week, even though a fetus is a human being from the very start.
I give up. It's obvious I won't win with you and your backwards beliefs.
What I'm saying is not a belief, and it certainly isn't a "backwards belief", it's a simple fact.
Fetus = human
Murdering a human = murdering a fetus
If you disagree with what I'm saying, supply an actual argument to disprove it, saying you "won't win" because of my "backwards belief" seems like an excuse to escape an argument you cannot manage to counter.
I can be convinced of anything, as long as there is reason behind it.
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brainwashed hmm interest you should wash in your ears...
give me order and I will eliminate that threat
https://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/90334/how-do-you-feel-about-abortion/p7
^ Have a read.
If they do something that really gets under my skin
Joel is actually quite evil. What with him dooming the human race further because of his own insecurities...
Still, I love Joel. He's like a big lovably evil teddy bear.
So, here's to being evil as shit and managing to still be lovable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkddkbu-EMA
Thanks Belan, I thought I would have to call you here myself xD
I don't think anyone's ever truly evil.
Except maybe Hitler. I dunfuckingknow.
That's the thing with "evil". People try to make it into some kind of magical substance that only certain people have. It allows them to think "Oh, I would never do things like that. I'm not capable of it. I'm a good person. Only evil people do things like that, people who have evil inside them."
That is not what evil is. The root of evil is becoming so locked into your own personal beliefs about reality that you start seeing it as reality. You start thinking you have what's Absolutely Right and Absolutely True, so you then feel justified in harming or punishing other beings for being "wrong".
Watch the movie Downfall. It's about Hitler's last days in a bunker in Berlin. There was such discomfort in Germany about that movie, for many understandable and valid reasons, but one of the most interesting reasons was because no one wanted to admit that Hitler was actually a human being. It's much more comfortable to think he was a monster, completely insane, because that way we don't have to see the Hitler inside each of us. It's not that the film portrays him as a good person, just that it shows he was a person. A crazy, deluded person...but a person. And a person any of us can become if we too become totally convinced that we are RIGHT, and everyone else is WRONG, and dammit we will KILL THEM if they don't get with the program! That impulse is inside all of us, it's just a matter of how each of us address that emotion. /end copypasta
Someone who isn't good
People say Hitler is the worst but no its Stalin. He did the most killing of his own people while Hitler cared and worked wonders for Germany, Stalin never did anything good for anyone
Someone that enjoys making people suffer.
I wouldn't define Joel as evil. If anything, he is an anti-hero (a central character in a story, movie, or drama who lacks conventional heroic attributes.) Similar to Rick Grimes, Walter White, and Bigby.
His capacity to do evil shit makes him a candidate for sure. He confesses murdering innocent people to Ellie after she asks in Philadelphia. As well as Tommy saying "he has nothing but nightmares" from the time Joel watched after him back in Boston after his daughter died.
Although we're never shown those times. It's clear Joel was a sick bastard back in the day.
EVERYONE IS EVIL!!! We all kill microscopic organisms every time we take a step ;-; RIP Micro-organisms. We are all murderers...
Yeah, sure.