Guns with History: Starring Ned Luke (anti-gun ad)
I normally don't post or participate in discussions like these, as they tend to bring out the worst in people when it comes to debating. However, I thought this would be an interesting thing to share with you all in the TT Talk section regardless.
So here's the video, detail what you think about it below if you so wish!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nAfWfF4TjM
FYI: If any of you don't know who Ned Luke is, he's the voice and face inspiration of Michael De Santa in Grand Theft Auto V. A game (and franchise) in which most of you are familiar with, of course.
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Its good to educate I suppose but surely this could be done completely the opposite way though? Where guns have helped people in situations? Especially as the examples they give are situations where those individuals should not have even had guns to begin with
I call bullshit. Yes, there are tons of guns that have tragic histories that people have done horrible things with - but remember, Americans have more guns than pets, so this seems pretty cherry picked. And for the record, I'm not even a gun rights person, I just think this video is too transparent.
I've been around them my entire life and no one has ever been injured. More people I know have been injured by table legs that they stub their toes on.
I'm glad Ned found some work as seen with GTA V he's a great actor. I do think its a little hypocritical to have the star of GTA V promoting anti guns though
While I don't agree with the message this "experiment" is trying to send, it is interesting to see the reactions of those looking to buy a weapon so quickly change by information that's already around them everyday.
This is true, i love my guns. My father collected guns, and his father collected guns. I carry CCW, and have at least two firearms on me at all times. I I been around them my entire life, and the only accident i can recall is when i was sixteen and i was friends with my buddy, we were cleaning our guns, and he shot himself with his in the hand. Luckily the bullet went through, and his dad closed the wound up.
I don't understand the anti gun lobbyists, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Its in the bill of rights.
The GTA guy talks about all these horrible incident, but i guarantee if a situation happened he would hope to god their would be someone like me on scene.
I haven't read too much into gun control (I'm pretty ambivalent), but to my understand the Second Amendment effectively permits the establishment of state and local militia, the interpretation of the individual right to gun ownership is quite recent (people blame Scalia, but then again they always do...). It was originally meant as a counterbalance by the states to the Federal government. The distinction is between 'people' and 'person/persons.'
That said, I'm pretty ambivalent, as I said, I think there should be background checks and mandatory safety courses, but other than that I'm undecided.
Right now they are trying to ban AR 15s... LOL Good Luck.
I understand the message and what they are trying portray but its the people that cause these horrific crimes that makes these stories so tragic. I recall that inccident at Sandy Hook; I'm a teacher and not too long ago, several of my co-workers were thinking about bringing the subject of teachers keeping guns for THAT same purpose. To protect. That was a horrible tragedy.
It's a shame that we, meaning human beings, are so focused on the negativity that it takes away our rights and privilages. PEOPLE kill, not those guns. Its the one holding them. I grew up with a gun in the home and WE knew better than to touch it. My mom bought it to protect us. She was a single parent and we did not live in a neighborhood were you left your doors unlocked at night.
I'm torn between guns. Yes, the history and stories behind them are indeed tragic but so is taking away OUR rights away. The message was indeed a powerful one, though.
I'm iffy on gun control. Both sides have good points. I don't want all guns to be banned and people to lose their sense of protection, but I also would feel uncomfortable having a civilian carry an armed weapon in public along with how some people are complete psychopaths. What I do think should be outlawed to the general public are machine guns/automatics, if they aren't already. There isn't any need to have a gun capable of killing a mass amount of people in a short amount of time.
My great grandfather was shot to death...guns are powerful, and while they shouldn't be outright outlawed, they should be more controlled.
Talking about guns as rights is a little silly though, the question with any right is 'why do we have that as a legal right?' Saying that it's in the constitution isn't an argument. So was the three fifths compromise, but we got rid of that. Any 'right' needs to defended, look at John Stuart Mill, he gives arguments as to why we need even the freedom of expression. The point is that no right should be a simple give. As to the second amendment, the two arguments that are usually presented are protection from crime and protection from tyranny. Honestly, I only think the second is valid.
As to protection from crime, the argument is "the criminals won't obey gun laws," well, gun buybacks have been successful both in the United States and in Australia in lowering the number of firearms on the streets - making guns incredibly rare might take a while and require a variety of methods, but it's hard from undoable. Of course the "you can have my gun when you take it from my cold dead hands" is also an issue. Or maybe not. As Dana Gould said about the Patriot Act, "Conservatives want guns to protect our freedoms, then the Patriot Act came along, and the government said 'you can keep the guns, just give us the freedoms.' And the conservatives said 'We get to keep the guns!" Also, people think 'oh, but Australia is an island - the US is bordered by Mexico.' Actually, the Mexican cartels usually get their guns from the United States, due to easily availablity and lax gun laws. Gun violence in Mexico is as much an American problem as it is a Mexican one.
In terms of tyranny, I think that is a valid consideration. The problem is nobody truly wants to make it. Conservatives seem to have the fantasy that protecting against tyranny means that someday Obama is going to come out in a Hitler mustache, Black Panther banners are going to fall down, and he's going to burn the constitution personally. That's not how things happen. If you truly believe the second amendment is to protect against tyranny, that means that you're going to be pointing your guns at and potentially shooting American policemen and American soldiers. Take the Bundy Ranch as an example - whether you agree with him or not, they used guns to intimidate federal officers, and the country was divided about whether or not to support that, and those federal agents were peoples parents and neighbors. That incident ended without bloodshed - other instances may not (look at Waco or Ruby Ridge). My point isn't pro or against, so much as people need to get out of the fantasy land and realize the gravity of the rammifications of the policy.
Wow, talk about cherry-picking and emotional manipulation. "Once, a deranged/irresponsible idiot did something terrible with this model of firearm therefore guns are bad." is a crappy argument. I get what their trying to do, but anecdotal arguments are always lame. They're lame when the NRA does them and their just as lame when the anti gun lobby does it.
In real life, the 'history' of most guns purchased by first-time buyers goes like this...
-- Gun was purchased
-- Gun was taken to the range a few times.
-- Buyer realized that concealed carry is impractical/uncomfortable.
-- Buyer realized they live in a middle-class, suburban neighborhood and probably don't need a gun.
-- Gun collects dust in closet.
Problems arise when people fail to use and store guns responsibly. These guys are putting the responsibility on the gun and not the gun owner. This is pathos driven buttcrap. Following their example, I should start up a 'hybrids with history' pre-owned car lot, where I tell first time hybrid owners them all about that shiny 2008 Prius and how it splattered a beloved kitten.
LOL I think the whole thing is staged, can you imagine walking into a gun store, and being told something like that. The first words out of my mouth would of been, "what the? are you talking about." It wouldn't be something i would expect to hear at a gun shop, that is trying to sell me guns.