What is your opinion of the new laws that Indiana and Arkansas have set?

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  • edited April 2015

    Which is more important; The right to get the service you deserve, no matter who you are, or to get the option to discriminate people for who they are and deny them of service, products and possibly even health-aid?

    Who is to say what who deserves? When you go to buy a cake, do you get that cake because you deserve it, or because you make an agreement and a transaction with the owner of the cake based upon a certain amount of money?

    the basic rights of somebody else is also to not be discriminated against (see article 7 of The Universal Declaration of the Human Rights

    Thank you for providing this to me. I appreciate it.
    However, this does not protect against discrimination on a private level, but rather, against discrimination from the law itself. Article 7 states "All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law". This affirms the right to not be discriminated against by the law (which, the US has violated in other ways, but not in this case, as any and all discrimination in this case is being committed by the businesses themselves, a part of the private sector).

    Also, what about equal pay? Do you think this kind of law will encourage that? Because equal pay is also a right in this declaration.

    What about equal pay? That is another issue entirely. Also, could you please point out which article it is in the declaration? I skimmed through a few times and couldn't find it. Thanks.

    Read what I said about people using religion as a trump card to discriminate others.

    I also couldn't find where you said this. Could you please provide that as well? Thank you.

    Even if that's a right, I don't think that the grounds for who you chose to serve were based on religious opinions, this rule let it happen, and it's simply wrong.

    Truth be told, I don't care how people try to justify not serving people. It is ridiculous that they refuse services for frivolous reasons, but it is their choice, and it will be duly met with the withdrawal of public support.

    It doesn't so directly, but as I posted above it is a human right to not be discriminated against, which this is what this law happens to encourage, directly or indirectly.

    See my point about the declaration above.

    AWESOMEO posted: »

    Lol, I've been alright. Thanks for asking. If the government is to force a business owner to provide a product or service to somebody

  • AWESOMEOAWESOMEO Banned
    edited April 2015

    Who is to say what who deserves?

    I don't think that what I said meant "who deseves what", I'm just saying that if someone deserves something, then others shouldn't be prohibited from getting it if the only reason they don't is their race or sexual preference.

    If I'm allowed to make that transaction, gay people should be too, and everyone else who offers what I do.

    The fact that they're gay shouldn't be the deciding factor...

    What about equal pay? That is another issue entirely. Also, could you please point out which article it is in the declaration? I skimmed through a few times and couldn't find it. Thanks.

    I'm saying that problems with the pay gaps are smoothened out and looked upon with the aid of laws like this, and just let them slide.

    Yeah, look at article 23, (2) - "Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work."

    In the picture Flog posted, the law seems to contradict the above if you take into consideration that they did originally allow it in that law, while it was only addressed in cities which have LGBT non-discrimination protections:

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    Again, it also seems like they also don't deserve HIV medication, that's wonderful.

    I also couldn't find where you said this. Could you please provide that as well? Thank you.

    First page of this thread.

    Which is more important; The right to get the service you deserve, no matter who you are, or to get the option to discriminate people for wh

  • people are dying over there right now for being Gay.

    Yeah they are, but that doesn't excuse the actions where we live. We shouldnt just use the excuse "Oh well, gay people dont have it that bad here because they're being killed in the Middle East". Instead actually try to change homophobia here as well.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    How is it not fair? Have you heard what is going on in Syria/Iraq? You think we should be worried about this? Some stupid ass law that does

  • Cope49Cope49 Banned
    edited April 2015

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    pudding_pie posted: »

    I can smell a hate crime from a mile away. I'm all down for those wanting to express and uphold their thoughts, views and beliefs in this wo

  • Cope49Cope49 Banned
    edited April 2015

    They are well within their rights to do so. And I fully support this law.
    Hope it passes.

  • Enough is enough already...

    Enough of what? Did homosexuals shit in your cereal or something? Why would anyone want to pass a law to allow people to commit genocide?

  • Cope49Cope49 Banned
    edited April 2015

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    Green613 posted: »

    Enough is enough already... Enough of what? Did homosexuals shit in your cereal or something? Why would anyone want to pass a law to allow people to commit genocide?

  • edited April 2015

    EDIT: She edited her post so I'm editing mine so people don't take it out of context.

  • edited April 2015

    ...It's just time to allow genocide?

    You DO know what genocide is, right? It's a very fucked up thing.

  • edited April 2015

    I really dont think it should be there right. I disagree with a law that permits discrimination and homophobia/seixsm/racism.

    Cope49 posted: »

    They are well within their rights to do so. And I fully support this law. Hope it passes.

  • Eat something and you'll be fine.

    Green613 posted: »

    EDIT: She edited her post so I'm editing mine so people don't take it out of context.

  • Cope49Cope49 Banned
    edited April 2015

    Yes I do .And it won't be passed so why even stress over it.

    BlueShadiw posted: »

    ...It's just time to allow genocide? You DO know what genocide is, right? It's a very fucked up thing.

  • Why exactly would you vote for such a thing?

    Cope49 posted: »

    Yes I do .And it won't be passed so why even stress over it.

  • It won't pass. So lets no speak of this anymore.

    AGenesis posted: »

    Why exactly would you vote for such a thing?

  • I've been wondering this too. Maybe he's from Westboro.

    AGenesis posted: »

    Why exactly would you vote for such a thing?

  • Cope49Cope49 Banned
    edited April 2015

    She and no. And just drop it.

    I've been wondering this too. Maybe he's from Westboro.

  • edited April 2015

    If you didn't want to talk about it then why did you say you'd vote on it?

    Wait. Are you trying to tell us that we shouldn't talk about the law at all? If you don't wanna talk about ti then don't post on the thread.

    Cope49 posted: »

    She and no. And just drop it.

  • I'll post where I please ...
    I just don't feel the need to drag this on.

    If you didn't want to talk about it then why did you say you'd vote on it? Wait. Are you trying to tell us that we shouldn't talk about the law at all? If you don't wanna talk about ti then don't post on the thread.

  • Drag what on? You're gonna have to be a bit more specific. If you don't want to say it publicly, then you can PM me.

    Cope49 posted: »

    I'll post where I please ... I just don't feel the need to drag this on.

  • That's pretty...Pretty fucked up.

  • Emma's* :)

    AdamGoodtme posted: »

    Reminds me of the friends episode where they accidentally order a penis cake for Ben's 1st birthday party.

  • edited April 2015

    It's not fair because you experiencing things because you chose to is not the sdame thing as something happening to someone for who they are.

    It's a very weird comment to say 'people are dying over there for being gay'. Do you think all equality movements are invalid if they aren't at their most extreme?

    The american government cant easily stop Saudi Arabie from killing gay people. They CAN make it illegal in the US to fire someone for being gay. And i don't see why they shuldn't do so just because gay people are dying somewhere else.

    It's like a woman fighting for the right to drive a car in one country, and being told 'hey, if you were in a south african tribe right now you could be killed for speaking out of turn, get some perspective'.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    How is it not fair? Have you heard what is going on in Syria/Iraq? You think we should be worried about this? Some stupid ass law that does

  • No.
    But I am done talking to all of you. Bye

    Flog61 posted: »

    Are you trolling?

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    Cope49 posted: »

    No. But I am done talking to all of you. Bye

  • Now it's hate speech? Girl bye .

  • edited April 2015

    You're basically agreeing with the idea of making homosexual genocide legal. That's hate speech, lmao.

    Cope49 posted: »

    Now it's hate speech? Girl bye .

  • It is hate speech also Flog's a man and also gay...Which means you are kind of supporting the idea to kill him.

    Cope49 posted: »

    Now it's hate speech? Girl bye .

  • Cope49Cope49 Banned
    edited April 2015

    Now I'm not allowed to agree with certain topics . And come on! It is just some nut trying to get a law passed to commit genocide . Something like that should never be taken seriously.

    Green613 posted: »

    You're basically agreeing with the idea of making homosexual genocide legal. That's hate speech, lmao.

  • I'm not saying you're not allowed to agree with certain topics but don't expect not to be called out and have repercussions based on what you say.

    Cope49 posted: »

    Now I'm not allowed to agree with certain topics . And come on! It is just some nut trying to get a law passed to commit genocide . Something like that should never be taken seriously.

  • Cope49Cope49 Banned
    edited April 2015
    The very idea of it is ridiculous. And my comment on it wasn't serious . 
    

    It is hate speech also Flog's a man and also gay...Which means you are kind of supporting the idea to kill him.

  • Be sure to make that more clear next time.

    Cope49 posted: »

    The very idea of it is ridiculous. And my comment on it wasn't serious .

  • Cope49Cope49 Banned
    edited April 2015

    Noted

    I am so done with this whole issue . Goodnight.

    Be sure to make that more clear next time.

  • You think it's okay to make jokes about mass genocide?

    Right.

    Cope49 posted: »

    The very idea of it is ridiculous. And my comment on it wasn't serious .

  • Goodnight...

    Flog61 posted: »

    You think it's okay to make jokes about mass genocide? Right.

  • Thanks, been awhile since I saw the episode.

    Flog61 posted: »

    Emma's*

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    Cope49 posted: »

    They are well within their rights to do so. And I fully support this law. Hope it passes.

  • edited April 2015

    That's part of the reason I support Indiana's decision.
    Because the LGBT movement so often times acts like they should not be told no about anything, and if anyone dares to say no to them, that they can go to hell.
    That type of behavior is quite frankly childish, and it is really no wonder why people get disgusted by it!

    As you pointed out that no-one likes to be turned away, which is quite natural.
    But that doesn't give them license to pout like a three year old.

    There's all the difference in the world of physical distress and emotional distress. Physical distress, caused by actions such as murder, as

  • Reported.
    And it's my opinion ...

  • Please dont target or insult other users, its not cool.

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