Freedom vs Security
What do you think is more important? I personally feel that freedom is far more important, and danger is simply the price we pay for it. If we give up our freedom just to be safe, then what kind of life is that? A life that we don't have a say in. Even in a world full of danger and risk, at least we as people have control of our own lives.
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I would like a equal balance.
Not a "We need to know everything on everyone and a camera on door and hallway and a security check each time you enter a building." but also not a "Everyone can do anything". We should be able to make choices and do what we want BUT not at the expense of someone elses safety. What kind of nation allows freedom but can't secure the security and safety of it's people?
Freedom. Rather die on my feet than live on my knees and all that. We're still living through the worst of the patriot act era, it's fucked up when wiretaps and government sanction kidnapped are considered no big deal.
Most people just want the freedom to live a comfortable life. That kind of attitude breeds complacency.
I agree 100%. I understand the need for rules, and that there are some things people just shouldn't be allowed to do, but I also think that if it doesn't hurt others, then there's nothing wrong with that.
Well, it sometimes depends on how much it affects others. Certain things can have serious effects on other people while not hurting them physically. When you think about it, everything has an effect on something.
It depends on what freedom you are talking about. I don't think we should have complete freedom, society needs to have some control. I'm not a buff 20 year-old guy who could carve out freedom wherever he pleased if given the chance, I wouldn't survive in a dog eat dog world. I rely on security, sadly.
Even a buff 20 year old guy relies on societal security, because what else will save him from a larger group of buff 20 year old guys? All societies need a modicum of control and security. A good balance is required. Laws against murder, property laws, and laws of the sort have helped keep order in a very efficient manner. Things like the Patriot Act that @BigBlindMax mentioned, that's where the balance starts to get broken.
What do either of those words even mean anymore
I googled it. My grandfather got his phone tapped by the government by his bipolar ex wife (my grandma) once because she said he was an Argentinian terrorist. I guess I don't know too much about how the government is affecting our freedom in first-world societies... but isn't this type of surveillance mostly used on crooks, or is the controversy on cases like my grandfather where it was unjust?
What it amounts to is, who are the crooks? If you can have your every move monitored, your every word traced, simply because of an accusation, then there really is no line between civilian and criminal. So like you said, cases like your grandfather's cross the boundary.
It depends on who's managing the security.
Surprised anybody hasn't put up that Ben Franklin quote yet.
It's a balancing act, and its important to take each law individually. Though in general, I'd say I'm against any significant invasion of privacy that isn't predicated on probable cause - and when I say significant, I'm referring mostly to things that lead to a chilling effect versus an inconvenience, IE logging your library books versus taking off your shoes at the airport.
Freedom is priceless
Security is giving control of your life over to someone else the government who hide behind security as a reason to control, have more power and pollute your brains and monitor their people like sheep
I think security is important as long it doesn't effect freedom I think it's a balancing act as to much of either can create a negative effect
To much freedom your country will burn as actions won't have a consequence so evil deeds won't be punished so the crazy among us will cause chaos and havoc without punishment
But to much security will give complete control of everyone's lifes to the people conducting it and a submissive race of people who can't think individually